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kronicfeld
2006-05-25 4:17:19 PM  
He didn't say that at all, liar.
 
Sensei Can You See [TotalFark]
2006-05-25 4:23:01 PM  
kronicfeld: He didn't say that at all, liar.

Sure sounds like a comparison to me:

"More importantly -- and also lost in the charges and counter-charges -- is this fact: student protests are a necessary and essential part of democratic free expression. Did we not love the brave and disrespectful students at Tiananmen? Did we not applaud the determination of the student led movements that helped bring down the dictators that ruled Eastern Europe in 1991? Have we forgotten the critical difference students made in reversing an unlawful election in Ukraine or in driving the Syrians from Lebanon or who still seethe in discontent under the religious law of Iran's mullahs?"
 
miseducated
2006-05-25 4:25:44 PM  
The CraneMeister: Sure sounds like a comparison to me:

Oh, come on.

He's making the case that student protests are good for democracy, not that every student protest is as valorous as that of Tiananmen Square.

It appears that you read this article the way people look at Rorschach inkblot tests.
 
Programmer Cat
2006-05-25 4:26:34 PM  
Bob Kerrey: More importantly -- and also lost in the charges and counter-charges -- is this fact: student protests are a necessary and essential part of democratic free expression. Did we not love the brave and disrespectful students at Tiananmen? Did we not applaud the determination of the student led movements that helped bring down the dictators that ruled Eastern Europe in 1991? Have we forgotten the critical difference students made in reversing an unlawful election in Ukraine or in driving the Syrians from Lebanon or who still seethe in discontent under the religious law of Iran's mullahs?

kronicfeld: He didn't say that at all, liar.

I'd say that one could read the above paragraph and think that Kerrey was implying a connection between the students who protested McCain and the students who actually protested over important shiat.
 
Savonarola_Redux
2006-05-25 4:28:36 PM  
Programmer Cat: I'd say that one could read the above paragraph and think that Kerrey was implying a connection between the students who protested McCain and the students who actually protested over important shiat

I would concur with that interpretation.
 
kronicfeld
2006-05-25 4:29:37 PM  
I'd say that one could read the above paragraph and think that Kerrey was implying a connection between the students who protested McCain and the students who actually protested over important shiat.

"A comparison" or "a connection" is not at all equivalent to "just as brave as." The submitter created out of thin air a comparison of attributes that was never made.
 
Sensei Can You See [TotalFark]
2006-05-25 4:29:52 PM  
Programmer Cat: I'd say that one could read the above paragraph and think that Kerrey was implying a connection between the students who protested McCain and the students who actually protested over important shiat.

Good point. Maybe the headline should read "Liberal Senator thinks protests against John McCain as a commencement speakder are just as important as facing down tanks in Tiananmen Square"
 
Sensei Can You See [TotalFark]
2006-05-25 4:30:55 PM  
kronicfeld: "A comparison" or "a connection" is not at all equivalent to "just as brave as."

Kronicfeld wins today's Parsing a Fark Headline into Mincemeat Award.
 
kronicfeld
2006-05-25 4:31:04 PM  
Maybe the headline should read "Liberal Senator thinks protests against John McCain as a commencement speakder are just as important as facing down tanks in Tiananmen Square"

Maybe the headline should read "moran submitter is bad at logic and analogies."
 
AirForceVet [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2006-05-25 4:32:08 PM  
The CraneMeister

Sure sounds like a comparison to me:

My kids do the same thing. It's called selective hearing.

No, it wasn't. Kerrey was explaining our love of college students when they protest for things we like or act with courage. And that it should apply for those cases when we don't agreee with college students, like Young Republicans.
 
kronicfeld
2006-05-25 4:32:21 PM  
Kronicfeld wins today's Parsing a Fark Headline into Mincemeat Award.

You win the "desperately struggling to justify the wholesale invention of a comparison that was not made because you are ideologically opposed to the person who is accused of making it and don't care about intellectual honesty" award.
 
Sensei Can You See [TotalFark]
2006-05-25 4:36:06 PM  
AirForceVet: Kerrey was explaining our love of college students when they protest for things we like or act with courage

Riiiight. Because we all know just how dangerous it is to protest against a commencement speaker here in the United States. That takes courage all right.
 
Sensei Can You See [TotalFark]
2006-05-25 4:37:41 PM  
kronicfeld: ou win the "desperately struggling to justify the wholesale invention of a comparison that was not made because you are ideologically opposed to the person who is accused of making it and don't care about intellectual honesty" award.

How am I supposed to fit all THAT on the trophy? Can you at least shorten it to "The DSTJTWIOACTWNMBYAIOTTPWIAOMIADCAIH Award"?
 
Savonarola_Redux
2006-05-25 4:39:37 PM  
Hooray! Ad hominem attacks in under 10 posts.
 
KyngNothing
2006-05-25 4:41:45 PM  
The CraneMeister: Riiiight. Because we all know just how dangerous it is to protest against a commencement speaker here in the United States. That takes courage all right.

OR: Logical disjunction (usual symbol or) is a logical operator that results in true if either of the operands is true.
 
Savonarola_Redux
2006-05-25 4:47:06 PM  
Look. I think we can all agree that the statement is worded in such a way where it is open to interpretation, which allows for Bob Kerry to spin it either way depending how it is received by the public. It is a fine example of doublespeak.
 
The Homer Tax
2006-05-25 4:49:19 PM  
I'm confused. Here's the way I interpreted this paragraph.

GIVEN: Students Protested MCCain
a) Students Protest stuff is a good thing, free speech
b) To illustrate that point, here are several times when students protesting resulted in really good things.

I never really caught the part where he said "These kids protesting McCain are exactly the same as the people who protested important shiat."
 
Brettster808 [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2006-05-25 4:49:34 PM  
Geez, he didn't even come close to implying that the students were as brave as those at Tiananmen. He is using examples to justify that university students have a valid political voice that can bring about change.

English, do you understand it?
 
grayson
2006-05-25 4:50:06 PM  
Ruh-oh, this one's going green.

"OMG u r rong lern 2 rede!"
"NO UR wrong hahahahaha!!!"
 
Programmer Cat
2006-05-25 4:51:45 PM  
Brettster808: English, do you understand it?

Yeah, motherfarker, I speak it. I myself don't think Kerrey is actually comparing the New School students to the crazy bastard who stood in front of a Chinese Army tank; I just said that some people could very well read a certain passage and think Kerrey was implying a connection.
 
Sensei Can You See [TotalFark]
2006-05-25 4:53:41 PM  
Savonarola_Redux: Hooray! Ad hominem attacks in under 10 posts.

Hey, *I* didn't commit any ad hominem attacks, you moran.

Oh, wait...
 
Brettster808 [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2006-05-25 4:54:55 PM  
Yeah, motherfarker, I speak it.

It is obvious by the headline that there was a bigger agenda at work here.
 
kronicfeld
2006-05-25 4:55:08 PM  
I just said that some people could very well read a certain passage and think Kerrey was implying a connection.

Some people can look at a stain on a wall and see Jesus. That doesn't mean a damn thing.
 
Savonarola_Redux
2006-05-25 4:55:24 PM  
The Homer Tax: I never really caught the part where he said "These kids protesting McCain are exactly the same as the people who protested important shiat."

It's an inferrence created by juxtaposing the New School protesters with those famous (and quite important) demonstrations. Submitter goes a bit crazy by carrying the inference to an illogical extreme, but this is Fark.

Of course, that doesn't mean that's Kerry's intention. Someone above likened the passage to an ink-blot test; that Farker's absolutely correct. The passage is aranged and worded in a way that can produce multiple meanings, depending on the reader.
 
indenture
2006-05-25 5:04:06 PM  
Students protesting (something important): great use of free speech

Students protesting (somebody else's free speech) : whiny babies

"I DON'T AGREE WITH YOU SO I'M GOING TO SHOUT YOU DOWN LA-LA-LA-LA"
 
newmoonpuppyhead
2006-05-25 5:06:23 PM  
McCain is a fraud. He used to have balls, instead he now spends his time on his knees servicing the balls of others.
 
Sensei Can You See [TotalFark]
2006-05-25 5:07:07 PM  
kronicfeld: Some people can look at a stain on a wall and see Jesus

Some people can read a Fark headline and have an attack of the shrieking fantods.
 
dameron
2006-05-25 5:07:52 PM  
newmoonpuppyhead: McCain is a fraud. He used to have balls, instead he now spends his time on his knees servicing the balls of others.

This comment is worthless without pictures...
 
Dancin_In_Anson
2006-05-25 5:08:09 PM  
Savonarola_Redux: The passage is aranged and worded in a way that can produce multiple meanings and provide Kerry with a way to cover his ass , depending on the reader fallout.

Probably a little more accurate seeing as we are discussing the words of a politician.
 
BobtheFascist
2006-05-25 5:13:22 PM  
Hmmmm.

Standing up to a govt official.

vs.

Standing up to a govt tank.

I doubt there's a college student is the US that has the huevos to even try the latter.
 
kronicfeld
2006-05-25 5:15:32 PM  
Some people can read a Fark headline and have an attack of the shrieking fantods.

What can I say; blatant, unmistakable lies annoy me.
 
dameron
2006-05-25 5:18:05 PM  
A simple statement:

My balls are roundish. Here are some examples of other things that are sort of round: the earth, the Epcot Center, the sun, Marguerite Perrin.

submitter's take: Dameron said his balls are a big as the sun.
 
Sensei Can You See [TotalFark]
2006-05-25 5:18:25 PM  
BobtheFascist: I doubt there's a college student is the US that has the huevos to even try the latter.

kronicfeld, quick--tell him how stupid he is.
 
Sensei Can You See [TotalFark]
2006-05-25 5:19:23 PM  
dameron: submitter's take: Dameron said his balls are a big as the sun.

Hmmm. Are you suggesting something about them being flaming, too?
 
dameron
2006-05-25 5:24:05 PM  
The CraneMeister: Hmmm. Are you suggesting something about them being flaming, too?

No, but it they ever explode they're taking us all with them. But first they'll turn red and engulf the inner planets.
 
grayson
2006-05-25 5:37:31 PM  
dameron: But first they'll turn red and engulf the inner planets

lol!
 
untrustworthy
2006-05-25 5:44:05 PM  
Hero = [image from home.comcast.net too old to be available]

Not Hero = [image from home.comcast.net too old to be available]

But the point still stands that protesting is a key tool for keeping our government focused on the issues the people are interested in. This country might be a better place if we had a few more people protesting rather than sitting on their fat asses and letting our government run all over the constitution.
 
LostTexan
2006-05-25 5:50:39 PM  
CraneMeister seems like an interesting person.

He offers the establishment the type of passionate defense normally reserved for the underdog.

In his own weird way he seems to be standing up and speaking what he believes is truth to power. Inasmuch, there is probably less that separates him and Kerrey than unites them on this issue.

As long as everyone agrees that the following words by Frederick Douglas are as true today as they were in his day, why don't we just leave free speech free and let history decide how to paint this picture?

"Those who profess to favor freedom and yet depreciate agitation are people who want crops without plowing the ground; they want rain without thunder and lightning; they want the ocean without the roar of its many waters. The struggle may be a moral one, or it may be a physical one, or it may be both. But it must be a struggle. Power concedes nothing without a demand; it never has and it never will." --Frederick Douglass
 
Sensei Can You See [TotalFark]
2006-05-25 6:00:37 PM  
LostTexan: CraneMeister seems like an interesting person.

(Looks in mirror) Nah. Just as boring as I was yesterday.

So boring, in fact, that I never ever indulge myself in lost-distance psychoanalysis.
 
Tatsuma
2006-05-25 6:00:40 PM  
twat
 
Sensei Can You See [TotalFark]
2006-05-25 6:02:34 PM  
LostTexan: He offers the establishment the type of passionate defense normally reserved for the underdog.

Oh, forgot to mention:

Who said anything about the "establishment"? I just think college students and/or presidents who can mention American student protesters and the Tiananmen protestors in the same sentence with a straight face have their heads so far up their asses they're in danger of disappearing into another dimension.
 
pontechango
2006-05-25 6:20:37 PM  
You can always tell which headlines The CraneMeister submitted because he broods over them like a defensive little pseudocon biatch.
 
Kitten Hungry Kirk
2006-05-25 7:24:17 PM  
ATTENTION PLEASE:

The statement was of support of the right to protest, disrupt, and defend one's beliefs in the face of opposition, be them tanks or members of society who believe that just because THEY don't think something is wrong in the world, nobody else should either.

/FYI, anyone, anyone who desires to suppress public protest is the worst type of creature on this planet. And that includes the lousy, stinking platypus.

//That is all. Go home now.

///Thread over.
 
Highroller48
2006-05-25 7:31:43 PM  
Ya know, in the face of the current U.S. regime, that comparison may not be too far off. Sure, they don't run over you with heavy armour, but between detentions without charge, patriot acts, no-fly lists, wiretaps, Diebold machines, phony press questions, cia leaks, perecution and harrassment of opponents, America's beginning to look alot more like China all the time.
 
PowerSlacker
2006-05-25 7:32:07 PM  
I love it when TFers argue like kindergarteners.

/suddenly, the New School douchebags look smart by comparison
 
Goldsfool
2006-05-25 7:43:37 PM  
Everyone here is a self-absorbed idiot only concerned with making their side look good and the other side look bad.

Myself included.

But sometimes you just have to ignore the stupid fights. Pick your battles. Is it worth it to argue over what someone said when they're talking purely PR and not policy?
 
swahnhennessy
2006-05-25 7:50:39 PM  
miseducated: It appears that you read this article the way people look at Rorschach inkblot tests.

Nice.
 
Goldsfool
2006-05-25 7:52:46 PM  
Kitten Hungry Kirk

By the way... I'm absolutely downright sick of people saying "If someone does this, they're absolutely the worst kind of person ever to have existed."

UNLESS that "this" is the hourly commision of thousands of crimes against humanity, you're really not going to get any worse than ol Hitler, Stalin, Mao, etc.

I'm sorry, but even though someone you don't like may be a nutwad (or maybe it's you, I don't know, I don't know either of you), the chances that the person with whom you're dealing being the worst kind of human being are slim to nil, considering you're still alive.
 
rahpower
2006-05-25 7:54:03 PM  
Didn't Bob verbally chastise the student protestors during the graduation?
 
Goldsfool
2006-05-25 7:59:36 PM  
swahnhennessy

miseducated: It appears that you read this article the way people look at Rorschach inkblot tests.

Nice.

...Doesn't everyone?
If a Right reads a Left article, it'll be propaganda. If a Left reads a Right article, it'll be propaganda. If a Left reads a Left article, it'll be Truth From Above, and the same for Rights reading Right articles.

I'm sick of sides. So very sick of it all. We're all humans, even the slimy ones (both sides got 'em).

I'm only angry with the Right because they're in power. I'd be angry with the Left if they were in power, too, because they'd fark it up just as well, just in the other direction.

There's something called reason, and no one side will ever have it because the duty to the Side always becomes greater than the duty to the Society, and that is very unreasonable.

As long as people get violent toward other people just because of each others' beliefs, this species will be doomed.
 
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