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2006-05-02 10:57:22 AM  
bkennedy
Trappist ales occasionally. Generally too strong for me, I have a dodgy stomach, tragically. Used to drink up a storm until the last year or so.
I like westmalle dubbel, and Duvel and La Chouffe occasionally. i am particularly forn of Leffe blond, for whatever reason, that and Rodenbach.
 
2006-05-02 10:57:50 AM  
Beer is good for you:
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2006-05-02 10:58:59 AM  
wyckedsmile

By the way, this is the best micro brewed beer in the US;

http://www.dogfish.com/

Their IPA is phenominal.


I love their 60 and their 90, but I'm on the fence with the 120; I just picked up six and at first sip I said "Dang! Its too hot! Too much alcohol!" Which is weird, becuase I'm a fan of their World Wide Stout (only 18% abv, while the 120 is 20% abv) and I think they craft enough flavour around it to make the alcohol palatable. Another bottle on another day, and while drinking it very cold, I found it drinkable.

YMMV.


/I hear the 120 when "Randalized" is TEH JAM.
//Last time I went, Randal was "on vacation" (a tube was broken) :(
 
2006-05-02 11:00:50 AM  
bkennedy: Come to www.Brewboard.com. We like your kind there.

That reminds me. I am on a BBQ team and we have been asked to come back to Memphis in May this year. Last year all we had to drink was Bud lite. I had a head ache for all 7 days.
This year I promised to never let that happen again. I have been a brewing fool. I have a cream ale and a honey blond ale that are in the secondary ready to go into the kegs and a pale ale and a red ale ready to go into the secondary. 20 gallons of home brew is going to M in M this year for 4 of us to drink...Life is good
 
2006-05-02 11:05:00 AM  
The main annoying additive in american lagers is rice. Just get a good ipa or other ale, porter that's made with nothing but malted barley & hops. No adjuncts, much better flavor.

Anchor Steam = my favorite beer for the last 15 years. I went to a party where we did a blind taste test of 30-odd ales and lagers and picked it out as my clear favorite. There are a couple close seconds in my book.
 
2006-05-02 11:05:38 AM  
What's interesting is that Canadian beer labelling regulations allow a beer (e.g. Molson's Canadian) to say it is "preservative free", while still containing over 100 additives. Also, it tastes like piss (as does Blue, Export, Bud...)

Fortunately, there are four really great small breweries where I live. One of whom (Phillips Brewing) makes a double-IPA that'll knock yer socks off.
 
2006-05-02 11:06:58 AM  
mekkab: I'm on the fence with the 120


I'm with you on this one. Its just to over the top. To me it was to "sweet" if there is such a thing with an IPA. I'll stick with the 60 and the 90 thankyouverymuch ;-)
 
2006-05-02 11:08:23 AM  
South Carolina BigFish

Sweet... And hoppy I'd imagine.
 
2006-05-02 11:11:51 AM  
South Carolina BigFish

I'm with you on this one. Its just to over the top. To me it was to "sweet" if there is such a thing with an IPA.


Actually, even the 90 is a bit on the "sweet" side, despite having that tangible bitterness that I require(!) with an IPA... but the Dogfish Style is very rich and sweet.
they've kinda ruined my immature palate. I used to enjoy Saranac beer... now I can hardly drink it for lack of flavor!
 
2006-05-02 11:12:26 AM  
South Carolina BigFish - "AB is so strict in its brewing process and ingredients that its no wonder they are number one (that and marketing)"

I agree with this statement but must say it's really only their marketing that keeps them in business. The reason they are so strict in their brew process is because they have to be, brewing such large quantities of beer, if you contaminate it or otherwise mess it up you loose a super large quantity of beer. I think their maticulous brewing process is out of neccessity not really their care and love of the beer.

All this american macro beer is dumbed down so much that it no longer has taste. They obviously do this to appeal to more people. I like IPA's and double IPA's as well as Imperial Stouts, not too many Bud drinkers would be down to drink a Stone IPA or Dogfish 90 minute or a Three Floyds Darklord Stout.

These drinkers have it in their mind that this weird lager/pilsner style beer that AB and the like make is what beer is supposed to be. I disagree completely. It's not how beer was first made and beer was never meant to be so dumbed down.
 
2006-05-02 11:14:45 AM  
Add 1 to the homebrew crew... and if you buy mail-order homebrew kits, then there's a chance that I came up with the recipe of your brew.

So basically, I'm God, and you're drunk becuase of my supreme powers. Bow to me, or send me beer, or money.
 
2006-05-02 11:15:00 AM  
I don't even think I could give a review for the 120 minute. It's not even really like a beer to me. I agree with the too "sweet" thing though. I would imagine it comes from the tremenous malt backbone required to brew this beer with so much hops. The 90 minute tends to be on the sweet side for me as well, I don't ever drink more than 2 of those in an evening b/c it gets a bit sweet.
 
2006-05-02 11:16:11 AM  
Timbits73: containing over 100 additives

Where can I see these additives listed?
Where do you get your data?

Folks, The thing about beer is this. You need 4 things. yeast, hops, barley and water. Some misguided breweries add corn and rice. THATS IT. you don't need to add anything to make a better product, or a more stable product or a cleaner product and on and on. so why would they. It cost MONEY to add things to beer, and if they don't need to why would they. Shelf life you say? NOT SO. with pasteurization shelf life is good, and besides, they self govern on this with a "born on date" AB will walk into a bar, and if they find one beer out of date, they will replace ALL of it on the spot.

If someone can show me a real list of "crap" the big three adds to is beers, I'll shut up and go away. Really.
 
2006-05-02 11:17:15 AM  
Did someone mention German beer?

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All German beers in this thread are now rendered irrelevant.
 
2006-05-02 11:17:25 AM  
Lactose sucks ass.
 
2006-05-02 11:17:51 AM  
Animatronik

Corn is also a major adjunct in American light lagers.

/ever wonder why "adjunct" sounds so much like "add junk"?
 
2006-05-02 11:20:19 AM  
FWIW: my best 5 breweries in the US (in terms of individual products as well as complete lines)

1. dogfishhead
2. rogue
3. stone
4. boulder (try the mojo)
5. southern tier
 
2006-05-02 11:20:37 AM  
South Carolina Bigfish

I am intrigued by your ideas and wish to subscribe to your newsletter.
 
2006-05-02 11:21:18 AM  
zymurgist

"ever wonder why "adjunct" sounds so much like "add junk"?"

I hope you've never had an oatmeal stout, or a Belgian Trappist Ale.

:-P
Hehe
 
2006-05-02 11:21:26 AM  
2006-05-02 11:12:26 AM tattooedtolley

These drinkers have it in their mind that this weird lager/pilsner style beer that AB and the like make is what beer is supposed to be. I disagree completely. It's not how beer was first made and beer was never meant to be so dumbed down.

"I will make it felony to drink small beer"
-Shakespeare, Henry IV
 
2006-05-02 11:23:09 AM  
bkennedy

Not fair!

How about differentiating between adding grains for taste or body, and adding grains because corn is cheaper than barley?
 
2006-05-02 11:23:33 AM  
tattooedtolley: All this american macro beer is dumbed down so much that it no longer has taste.

I always wondered why AB doesn't dig way back in its history and really make the beer they made in 1860 and see if it would sell. Some of the best home brewed beers I have made/drank were classic American Pilsners with a good hop bitterness balanced with sweet corn. Its great beer and all the old times love the stuff.
 
2006-05-02 11:24:10 AM  
awesome quote - zymurgist
 
2006-05-02 11:24:47 AM  
zymurgist: Corn is also a major adjunct in American light lagers.

That would be rice.....
 
2006-05-02 11:25:47 AM  
South Carolina BigFish: I always wondered why AB doesn't dig way back in its history and really make the beer they made in 1860 and see if it would sell. Some of the best home brewed beers I have made/drank were classic American Pilsners with a good hop bitterness balanced with sweet corn. Its great beer and all the old times love the stuff.

Full Sail makes 'Session Premium Lager' which is supposed to be in the pre-prohabition style. It's great, very light flavor, mild hop bitterness, and a sweetness to it that goes great.

It's not the most complex beer out there, but if you're just looking to 'drink beer', it's amazing.
 
2006-05-02 11:26:22 AM  
tattooedtolley: okay, we've got a three-way agreement. The 120 is good only as a conversation piece.

/well, we're talking about it! ;)
 
2006-05-02 11:27:49 AM  
No beer thread would be complete without:
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2006-05-02 11:29:37 AM  
AB is working on releasing some "craft" brews as we speak. They have had some tastings and they have come up with an IPA, Iperial Pils, and a Brown Ale.

Here's an article on it from Beer Advocate. http://beeradvocate.com/news/stories_read/f-718480

While interesting, AB could pose a serious threat to the small craft brewers we all love. I have mixed feelings on it.
 
2006-05-02 11:30:21 AM  
South Carolina BigFishiathink Bud light is mostly rice, but I think Miller Lite has a bit of corn in there.
 
2006-05-02 11:30:53 AM  
2006-05-02 11:23:33 AM South Carolina BigFish
I always wondered why AB doesn't dig way back in its history and really make the beer they made in 1860 and see if it would sell.


i might be making this up, but i swear i thoguht i saw a commercial recently from one of the majors (miller, AB, etc.) promoting a limited release of a beer brewed with the original recipe. can anyone confirm this, or should i go back into my dark space?
 
2006-05-02 11:31:38 AM  
adenosine: Full Sail makes 'Session Premium Lager'

Here's a great article about this style of beer

http://www.brewingtechniques.com/library/backissues/issue3.5/renner.ht​ml
 
2006-05-02 11:32:43 AM  
tattooedtolley: AB is working on releasing some "craft" brews as we speak. They have had some tastings and they have come up with an IPA, Iperial Pils, and a Brown Ale.

Here's an article on it from Beer Advocate. http://beeradvocate.com/news/stories_read/f-718480

While interesting, AB could pose a serious threat to the small craft brewers we all love. I have mixed feelings on it.


Honestly, I'll give them a try if they come to my area, but I look at it this way: anybody who loves good beer, will not be happy drinking the same beer over and over again. Even if they start with AB's craft lineup, they will go out to other local and smaller breweries.

Also, it will help you at smaller bars with a poor selection. I was at a scummy bar in the worst part of town this weekend (they had OE 800 advertisements on the wall!), but they had Blue Moon, because it's a Coor's product. Had I actually been drinking there, that would have saved me from an awful fate of tasteless american lagers.
 
2006-05-02 11:33:47 AM  
platypusjones: beer brewed with the original recipe

Its was Miller and its not the same as they brewed in 1860. I saw it and tripped over myself to try it, dud....

read the Brewing Techniques article I posed above. Its good stuff
 
2006-05-02 11:34:04 AM  
mekkab - I agree, it's an interesting beer to try and attempt to decypher but my god its a huge one and very off balanced, of course if you cellar it for a few years it would most likely mellow out a bit and might be very good.

I think if I ever buy it again I will cellar a few bottles, let one go for a year and try it and let the others continue until I open one that tastes better.

Now that I have a temp controller on my beer fridge, I can cellar stuff much easier.
 
2006-05-02 11:39:52 AM  
adenosine - "Honestly, I'll give them a try if they come to my area, but I look at it this way: anybody who loves good beer, will not be happy drinking the same beer over and over again. Even if they start with AB's craft lineup, they will go out to other local and smaller breweries."

I agree, people who will try these beers from AB as their first craft brew experience will undoubtedly go out and try other brews. I just hope that it all turns out like you say, people will be turned onto craft brew b/c of it and broaden their palates and purchases. I don't think AB needs to make this move, but I know they are scared as the american beer industry is suffering on the macro front while craft brew is soaring higher than ever.
 
2006-05-02 11:40:44 AM  
Whoops, messed up my bold tags.
 
2006-05-02 11:43:15 AM  
South Carolina BigFish

Rice, yes, in Budweiser. What about Miller, Coors, etc.?
 
2006-05-02 11:48:15 AM  
2006-05-02 11:25:47 AM adenosine

Full Sail makes 'Session Premium Lager' which is supposed to be in the pre-prohabition style. It's great, very light flavor, mild hop bitterness, and a sweetness to it that goes great.

Sounds very much like Clipper City's
 
2006-05-02 11:50:01 AM  
Try this again, this time with preview...

Sounds very much like Clipper City's McHenry beer.

McHenry

Old Baltimore Style Beer
All malt - Approx. 4.5% ABV
Hersbrucker Hops
Prior to prohibition virtually all American beers were made from 100% malted barley. This gave the beers a richer, fuller taste than you see today when most beers are made using a high percentage of corn or rice. We researched old brewing archives, and patterned this beer after one that was produced in Baltimore in the early 1940's. We named it after one of the great symbols of our area, Fort McHenry, birthplace of our national anthem. Selected Baltimore's Best Local Beer - City Paper, Oct. 2001.
 
2006-05-02 11:51:27 AM  
adenosine

Love those Unibroue beers. La Fin du Monde is always welcome in my glass.
 
2006-05-02 11:56:36 AM  
Good question. I would say rice. and I;ll tell you why. First. That's what they say they have in them if you really dig deep. Second, that's what the leader of the pack, AB uses and its pretty much follow the leader these days. Rice is cheaper. Rice has much less taste than corn and god know there is no taste in budmillercoors. And last but not least. One day I was in my home brew store and a man in a 500 dollar suit walked in. He was WAY out of place, but he came up and tried to sell me advertising on a local radio station. when he stuck his hand out I saw the biggest AB ring on his finger I have ever seen in my life. That's what I wanted to talk about, not the air time he wanted to sell me and once I got that though his head, we talked about AB. Seems he was a million dollar man, retired from AB and was selling radio time because he was board with retirement in SC. Anyhoo. i gave him a beer or 10 and we talked and talked. At that time I was under the impression that Busch beer was made with corn and bud/light was made with rice. He told me that all AB beers and all its competitor were made with rice, and I believed him. great man. knew a ton about the mega beers.
 
2006-05-02 11:58:43 AM  
Reinheitsgebot forever! Chemicals and cheap sugars in my beer, Never!
 
2006-05-02 12:00:55 PM  
Pure enough..... BRILLIANT!!
 
2006-05-02 12:01:25 PM  
I may have to shut up and leave as I stated i would above. Seems my digging has turned up some crap miller may put in its lite beer. Something along the lines of a heading agent. I still can't find anything on AB adding crap to its beer.
 
2006-05-02 12:03:01 PM  
Mmmmm

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2006-05-02 12:12:18 PM  
ZoSo_the_Crowe

Oooh, Love the celebrator.

Beer I haven't seen in the states I really enjoyed while in Germany:
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2006-05-02 12:12:57 PM  
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Suck it
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2006-05-02 12:13:02 PM  
Drink your local craft beers... Shiner Summerstock was probably the best beer of the line, now it's Shiner Kolsch and I can't seem to find it locally anymore? Anyway, they're owned by Gambrinus now. It's my understanding that Shiner Bock is made entirely from extracts - malt extract, liquid hop extract, and a lot of corn sugar extract, which imparts a distinctively 'corny' taste to the beer. It'll do in a pinch as a cheap, drinkin' beer and I prefer it to Bud, Coors, and the rest of the corp megaswill. Shiner Lite is about the only light beer I can stomach.

St. Arnolds is a great local craft brewer you can get throughout Texas... the Amber is good, the Elissa is a great IPA, the Lawnmower and Summer Pils are both good summer drinkin' beers.

Real Ale in Blanco cranks out some good stuff. Live Oak does too - compare their Big Bark to Shiner. I dig on the Fredricksburg Brewery, but think maybe they only sell at the microbrewery?

The TABC keeps too much good beer out of Texas. The Pacific Northwest definitely has the best assortment of craft brews, hell, the whole west coast... then in the East, Dogfish Head, Victory, some good things happening there too...

Damn, why can't I drink at work?
 
2006-05-02 12:15:36 PM  
http://www.halftimebeverage.com/
 
2006-05-02 12:19:14 PM  
For those of us working in the brewing industry, stories like this are such old news. Most of the beer people commonly drink is artificially adapted to the profit generation process with no concern for the product's quality at all. A major brewer that I worked for in Canada recently changed its malt to a cheaper version to save a few cents per bushel and when the beer didn't come out right they just dosed it with chemicals to bring it back in line. I would love to say this was some obscure microbrewery doing this crap, but it wasn't - it was a major, major producer in both the Canadian and international market.

If you do your research, you will want to drink unpasteurized beer from a local brewery - if that option is available to you. Making this choice not only supports local business and workers, it keeps money out of the hands of international greed pigs who just want to play global beer monopoly.

Your local unpasteurized micro-brew is far, far better beer than the crap you are buying from commercials. Research clearly indicates that people buy all alcohol with their eyes rather than their taste buds. I argued against that until I went to a blind whiskey tasting and found out I actually hate the single-malt scotches I thought I had liked and instead became a full-time bourbon drinker.
 
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