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(Some Guy)   Republicans and the country as a whole have done better at recovering from Vietnam and Watergate than either Democrats or the press   (opinionjournal.com) divider line
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zorgon
2006-04-28 4:43:04 PM  
Oh this ought to be good.

I'll start.

If by "recovering" you mean "pretending it never happened and acting exactly the same way" then why, yes, submitter, I agree with you!
 
HotLonelyTeenageGirl
2006-04-28 4:44:41 PM  
"Mr.Mainway, here we have your company's next costume: 'Johnny Human Torch'. Mr. Mainway, this is nothing more than a bunch of oily rags and a lighter."
 
mryoop789
2006-04-28 4:46:15 PM  
thread go boom

Wow, what an unbiased article. :-/
 
Sensei Can You See [TotalFark]
2006-04-28 4:51:36 PM  
zorgon: If by "recovering" you mean "pretending it never happened and acting exactly the same way"

Well, I'm pretty sure that "recovering" DOESN'T mean "reliving it over and over and trying to turn every issue into a repeat of Watergate or Vietnam."
 
mryoop789
2006-04-28 4:53:42 PM  
Look, look. Why don't we just agree that they all suck and just call it a day?
 
John Paul Jones
2006-04-28 4:53:50 PM  
Yaknow what? It's a really nice day out. I'm going out to the hammock with a scotch and a book.

Have fun tilting at windmills and working up an apoplectic rage, y'all.
 
tchamber
2006-04-28 4:54:27 PM  
Well, THAT was a load of bullshiat.
 
chime
2006-04-28 4:55:25 PM  
"Republicans and the country as a whole have done better at recovering from Vietnam and Watergate than either Democrats or the press"

I think you misspelled repeating.
 
Dalton Voss
2006-04-28 4:55:53 PM  
The CraneMeister: Well, I'm pretty sure that "recovering" DOESN'T mean "reliving it over and over and trying to turn every issue into a repeat of Watergate or Vietnam."

Yes, Republicans didn't try to turn every Clinton misstep into a "-gate", would they?

Filegate
Whitewatergate
Billinggate
Cattlegate
Nannygate
Helicoptergate
Vince Fostergate
etc.
 
Technoblake [TotalFark]
2006-04-28 4:55:59 PM  
I have to cut the lawn and do the laundry when I get home. I'll pass on this apocalyptic thread.
 
Sensei Can You See [TotalFark]
2006-04-28 4:57:53 PM  
Technoblake: I'll pass on this apocalyptic thread.

Apocalyptic? Wow. And here I thought it was just a Fark thread. Who knew it could presage the end of the world?
 
Brettster808 [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2006-04-28 4:57:57 PM  
I also hear that Republicans poop doesn't stink. Or so they think.
 
Phone_Answering_Monkey
2006-04-28 4:58:05 PM  
What now?

"* The haughty, French-looking Massachusetts Democrat, who actually, believe it or not, served in Vietnam." TFA RE: John Kerry.

Oh yeah, totally nonbiased article. How'd our dear leader do in Vietnam again? How do people even find stuff like this on the Internet? Surely nobody reads this stuff on a daily basis, right?

/There but for the grace of god goes freerepublic
 
stevecody
2006-04-28 5:02:04 PM  
"I'll never get over Macho Grande".
 
Quick1
2006-04-28 5:05:06 PM  
Too bad Republicans can't get over 9/11. They're willing to give their freedoms away to fight the terrorists that hate us for our freedoms.
 
Sensei Can You See [TotalFark]
2006-04-28 5:05:35 PM  
Phone_Answering_Monkey: Oh yeah, totally nonbiased article.

Um--it IS an editorial page. It's actually called "Opinion Journal," after all.

Surely nobody reads this stuff on a daily basis, right?

Are you kidding?
 
Quick1
2006-04-28 5:05:44 PM  
Also, it's much easier to get over a war that you didn't have to fight in, isn't it?
 
CHAZZZ
2006-04-28 5:06:12 PM  
Partisan garbage.
 
maudibjr
2006-04-28 5:07:02 PM  
stevecody: "I'll never get over Macho Grande".


Win one for the zipper.
 
wyckedsmile
2006-04-28 5:07:47 PM  
Well, half the country was born after Vietnam and Watergate, which makes recovery a whole hell of a lot easier. And what exactly does the press have to recover from, from Watergate. I thought that was a press success?
 
crunch-o-matic
2006-04-28 5:09:23 PM  
What the fark does that even mean?
 
ArcadianRefugee
2006-04-28 5:13:42 PM  
John Paul Jones: Yaknow

Argh. I read that as "yak now". I really am going home now.
 
MorningBreath [TotalFark]
2006-04-28 5:13:45 PM  
Quick1
Too bad Republicans can't get over 9/11.

Too bad the democrats can't remember it
 
Mordant
2006-04-28 5:15:16 PM  
I hope "the country as a whole" doesn't include democrats to begin with, they have no place claiming citizenship in this Glorious Nation.
 
untrustworthy
2006-04-28 5:16:27 PM  
MorningBreath: Too bad the democrats can't remember it.

I think there's a number of left-leaning people in our nation's largest city that might take issue with that statement.
 
Sloth_DC
2006-04-28 5:17:02 PM  
The CraneMeister: Well, I'm pretty sure that "recovering" DOESN'T mean "reliving it over and over and trying to turn every issue into a repeat of Watergate or Vietnam."

It's not quite a repeat - Vietnam was the Democrats starting a war on the other side of the world, and Republicans vowing to end it or escalate it, but definitely not do the same thing as the Dems. This time it's the other way around.
 
mediaho
2006-04-28 5:18:02 PM  
MorningBreath: Too bad the democrats can't remember it

"I don't know where [Bin Laden] is. You know, I just don't spend that much time on him. ... And, again, I don't know where he is. I - I'll repeat what I said. I truly am not that concerned about him."
-Glorious Leader
 
Phone_Answering_Monkey
2006-04-28 5:21:12 PM  
The CraneMeister: Are you kidding?

Yeah, I pretty much was....and I know it was an opinion piece, just wondering why it was posted. Probably the "It's Not News" part.
 
TheConvincingSavant
2006-04-28 5:25:23 PM  
I agree and support this headline.
 
MorningBreath [TotalFark]
2006-04-28 5:27:36 PM  
If Quick1 can generalize, than so can I.
 
mediaho
2006-04-28 5:27:38 PM  
Phone_Answering_Monkey: Yeah, I pretty much was....and I know it was an opinion piece, just wondering why it was posted. Probably the "It's Not News" part.

They just greenlight extreme positions on both sides to watch us fight. It's like Drew's throwing a couple feeder fish into a tank full of hundreds of hungry pirhanna. They like contributing to our crippling division for their amusement with these kinds of greenlights.
 
El Dudereno
2006-04-28 5:35:09 PM  
Republicans suck, democrats swallow. That is all.
 
PacManDreaming
2006-04-28 5:35:40 PM  
Yep....that coming into this thread is gonna be like wearing a gasoline soaked wool suit and running through Hell.
 
Mordant
2006-04-28 5:36:11 PM  
Tommy, you're really better off not coming to play in threads about Vietnam. No matter ho badly you think you can smear the evil "Libs", your precious hero has even less to be proud of with his record. Go troll something safer.
 
the_gospel_of_thomas
2006-04-28 5:38:14 PM  
mediaho: They just greenlight extreme positions on both sides to watch us fight. It's like Drew's throwing a couple feeder fish into a tank full of hundreds of hungry pirhanna. They like contributing to our crippling division for their amusement with these kinds of greenlights.

[image from daisydownunder.com too old to be available]

Provider 1 ( Drew ) I wager 15 quatloos that 'farker X' will do a "But Clinton!"

Provider 2 ( "Mod X") I wager 10 quatloos that tgot will post multiple images of John Kerry.

Provider 3 ( Admin ) I wager 30 quatloos that mediaho will discover our devious plans to wager on the farkers as if they were japanese fighting fish!


/just kidding ... don't ban me. :)
 
flaEsq
2006-04-28 5:41:37 PM  
Ahh, I see it's agaub time for James Tarantula's bi-weekly bomb throwing greenlight.
 
Bill_Wick's_Friend
2006-04-28 5:47:20 PM  
It's clear that John Kerry, Jane Fonda, Walter Cronkite and Abbie Hoffman lost the war for the USA.

Tet? NVA? VC? Horrible planning by LBJ? Lies of Tonkin that started the whole mess? McNammara's wilful blindness? Illegal bombing of Cambodia and Laos by Nixon? Support for a autocrat because he was "our" dictator? "Hearts and minds" as an afterthought? Nope. None of that is relavent.

In the same vein, the Calgary Flames lost against Aneheim last night because I wasn't cheering loud enough.
 
Bada Bing
2006-04-28 5:54:16 PM  
I'm glad this was linked here, because many conservatives, especially those zany pundits just trying to hock a book, are really good at "getting over it"

[image from dragonballyee.blogs.com too old to be available]
 
Sloth_DC
2006-04-28 5:57:28 PM  
heap: you fought in the war against straight answers.

Nah, that was a pretty straight answer. Arrogant, but straight. I'll even translate: "If you can't read my service ribbons, you're not qualified to criticize my service." Ok, so it was a dick answer, but still...
 
Bill_Wick's_Friend
2006-04-28 5:59:12 PM  
while the people who voted for Clinton didn't mind that he dodged the draft...

one man was vocally against the war and didn't go.

one man was moderately against the war, went and, when he came home was vocally against the war.

one man was vocally in FAVOR of the war but managed to avoid going.

which of these three men doesn't back up his words with actions?
 
milk_plus
2006-04-28 6:03:35 PM  
I hear draft deferments help a lot with getting over that whole Vietnam/War hawk thing. As for the Watergate deal, moving on means that they are moving on to newer and more exciting crimes against America.
 
SSP
2006-04-28 6:04:54 PM  
Its pretty easy to get over when you are sitting on your fat ass smoking cigars and selling napalm instead of fighting in the jungles of 'Nam. Kinda like the Iraq war now, you have armchair Republicans profiteering and the poor fighting and dying...
 
the_gospel_of_thomas
2006-04-28 6:05:56 PM  
Bill_Wick's_Friend: one man was vocally in FAVOR of the war but managed to avoid going.

Really.

I'm sure that you've got some sort of a 30 year old link on teh internets to Bush's "I want to go to VIETNAM, Goddamnit!!" quote somewhere to back-up that comment, or will Dan Rather produce an authentic memo later on to that effect?
 
heap
2006-04-28 6:07:04 PM  
Sloth_DC: Nah, that was a pretty straight answer.

no, actually a straight answer would consist of saying two or three simple words. an internet research project isn't a straight answer.

being a dick is secondary.
 
Sloth_DC
2006-04-28 6:07:56 PM  
SSP: Its pretty easy to get over when you are sitting on your fat ass smoking cigars and selling napalm instead of fighting in the jungles of 'Nam. Kinda like the Iraq war now, you have armchair Republicans profiteering and the poor fighting and dying...

Actually, the poor are mostly manning the radios and running the kitchens - the volunteers for combat duty and the Guard come mostly from middle- and upper-middle class families.
 
CHAZZZ
2006-04-28 6:13:36 PM  
The Republicans have done a good job of convinicing people that they support the troops. While taking a shiat on them at the same time.
 
Theobold Holsopple
2006-04-28 6:13:57 PM  
I don't think failure in learning the lessons of history is something to brag about.
 
hillbillypharmacist
2006-04-28 6:15:00 PM  
White people have had an easier time getting over slavery than black people.

Nazis have had an easier time getting over the Holocaust than Jews.

The Hutus have had an easier time getting over the Rwandan massacre than the Tutsis.

[image from photos.yafro.com too old to be available]
 
Thrag
2006-04-28 6:15:37 PM  
MorningBreath: Too bad the democrats can't remember it

I think to test your theory you should stand on a downtown street corner in NYC and espouse your views. I'm sure some democratic New Yorkers will be more than happy to help you correct your view.
 
skookum
2006-04-28 6:17:39 PM  
Absolutely.

Nixon is no longer in disgrace, he is considered one of our greatest presidents now, and Vietnam is respected far more in hindsight.

It's about time someone has the guts to mention this.
 
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