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(Some Guy)   Now that Daily Kos and MoveOn.org have officially endorsed Francine Busby for Congress, she's losing. As usual, the race was a Democrat's to lose; as usual, the Dems figured out a way to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory   (opinionjournal.com) divider line
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dedekind_cut
2006-04-12 1:56:37 PM  
Vote for a third party!

The Fark Party!

Beer and boobies for some,
Miniature american flags for everyone!
 
albo
2006-04-12 1:58:59 PM  
duh. kos was 0-15 in endorsed candidate wins in 2004.

http://www.redstate.com/story/2004/11/3/52646/0368

if democrats hook their wagon to him and his ideas, it's GOP power until 2016 at least
 
TheConvincingSavant
2006-04-12 2:00:10 PM  
When are you lefties going to form a new party already?

Your old one is dead.
 
vliam
2006-04-12 2:03:37 PM  
So, anyone who didn't vote for Busby must vote for the republican next time?

Nice logic.

[dumbass]
 
vliam
2006-04-12 2:04:13 PM  
TheConvincingSavant: When are you lefties conservatives going to form a new party already?
 
Sensei Can You See [TotalFark]
2006-04-12 2:05:12 PM  
vliam: So, anyone who didn't vote for Busby must vote for the republican next time?

Right. That's what I meant. Ya caught me.

/submitter
 
Occams_Electric_Razor
2006-04-12 2:07:18 PM  
A party that's patently corrupt and can't win wars against third world countries aren't in the best position to mock someone else.
 
keylock71
2006-04-12 2:08:47 PM  
Think maybe the Republicans should worry about the sad state of their own party before worrying about the sad state of the democratic party.

Seems like some simpletons still think the Republicans are going to be in power forever...


/unerolled voter.
 
slayer199
2006-04-12 2:09:48 PM  
Occams_Electric_Razor:

A party that's patently corrupt and can't win wars against third world countries aren't in the best position to mock someone else.

Can I mock them because I hate Republicans too?
 
vliam
2006-04-12 2:10:28 PM  
The CraneMeister: Ya caught me.

I was actually referring to TFA.
 
GavinTheAlmighty
2006-04-12 2:10:47 PM  
OER

Sure they can. The other party is LOSING!

/this comment adds nothing to the discussion
 
kabloink [TotalFark]
2006-04-12 2:10:49 PM  
TheConvincingSavant: When are you lefties going to form a new party already?

Your old one is dead.

Its not dead, but just waivering in the wind looking for a direction. A direction that will encompass all democrats. Its hard to forge ahead blindly like the GOP without leaving some behind.
 
2wolves [TotalFark]
2006-04-12 2:11:15 PM  
Mock, mock, mock.
 
MmmGravy
2006-04-12 2:11:21 PM  
[image from boozhy.typepad.com too old to be available]
 
Mordant
2006-04-12 2:11:53 PM  
TheConvincingSavant: When are you lefties going to form a new party already?

Your old one is dead.


I really have to thank you for just being yourself and for everything you stand for. Seriously, don't ever change.
 
albo
2006-04-12 2:17:45 PM  
As a matter of fact, they will have to win tougher seats than CA 50. With a Democratic loss there, it will become harder to see a Democratic victory in open seats like IL 06, MN 06 and WI 08. These are similar in their partisan composition to CA 50--but, unlike CA 50, none of them have a Republican incumbent tarnished by scandal and none of them have 13 Republican candidates fighting among themselves.

bottom line: if you can't hit a fastball up and over the plate now, the prospect that you will knock a bunch of sliders and slurves out of the park later isn't very promising.
 
Phone_Answering_Monkey
2006-04-12 2:17:54 PM  
I don't get it. If there's going to be a run-off, why post this now?

/Answer: More Demoncraps are t3h LOOSEEE!!!! threads
 
alcoholic_entropy
2006-04-12 2:18:10 PM  
The democrats need to grow some balls. Anytime a dem shows up that is actually about something they run shun him/her (ok, him). They'll never win trying to please everyone.
 
alcoholic_entropy
2006-04-12 2:22:52 PM  
The fact that Paul Hackett isn't in the senate race is what's wrong with dems... they ran him out because he DARED to speak his mind.

[image from nonmundane.org too old to be available]
 
albo
2006-04-12 2:23:31 PM  
They'll never win trying to please everyone.

kinda, yes. to win, they only have to please the middle-of-the-road swing voters and not piss off their base too much.

therefore, they can't appear to be too far to the left.
 
maudibjr
2006-04-12 2:27:52 PM  
What is the rights obsession about telling the democrats how to run there party?
 
albo
2006-04-12 2:29:45 PM  
maudibjr, you're right. they can manage the party straight into the ground without any help from the right
 
alcoholic_entropy
2006-04-12 2:31:33 PM  
albo: kinda, yes. to win, they only have to please the middle-of-the-road swing voters and not piss off their base too much.

therefore, they can't appear to be too far to the left.


Being too far left or right is fine by me... at least you're standing for something. Doing the Hillary dance where you try to make sure you're always pleasing at least 51% is farking lame. Stand by your beliefs, period. I liked Jesse Ventura if for no other reason than he says what he thinks. McCain used to be like that- now, he too is a political tool.
 
CHAZZZ
2006-04-12 2:32:59 PM  
albo,

"if democrats hook their wagon to him and his ideas, it's GOP power until 2016 at least"


Only if they allow the GOP politiicians to work while locked up. The democrats suck as well but they are definately not as corrupt.
 
Gosling
2006-04-12 2:36:52 PM  
This was pretty much what the polls said: Busby would put up a huge fight, but fall a bit short of the 50% needed to win outright. Then the GOP candidate will probably soak up enough votes from the losing GOP to win the seat.

There's the CHANCE that enough GOP voters will hate the eventual Republican winner enough to switch to Busby, enough of a chance to where someone would reasonably bet on it, but I'm not going to be that bettor.
 
Tigger
2006-04-12 2:42:54 PM  
The democrats are a woeful organisation aren't they.

The party in power currently has variously been caught:

botching a war
lying about the war
lying about the lying about the war
leaking stuff it shouldn't have
taking bribes from lobbyists
etc
etc

by any realistic political analysis they should be an absolute sitting duck. it should be more or less impossible to lose against these clowns, yet however the democrats manage to come up time and time again with candidates that are so inept people prefer the alternative.
 
syphaxe
2006-04-12 2:43:59 PM  
alcoholic_entropy: Stand by your beliefs, period. I liked Jesse Ventura if for no other reason than he says what he thinks


I live in MN and it was cool to see a 3rd party guy win, but he was an idiot.
 
albo
2006-04-12 2:45:59 PM  
yet however the democrats manage to come up time and time again with candidates that are so inept people prefer the alternative.

because the economy isn't horrible, a la 1992, and the Ds haven't offered themselves as a good enough alternative on national defense. if the economy tanks in 2008 and the Ds find a non-Hillary candidate whom voters can trust on defense, they will win and could possibly take back the House if they make a bit of a gain this year.
 
Tigger
2006-04-12 2:49:12 PM  
because the economy isn't horrible, a la 1992, and the Ds haven't offered themselves as a good enough alternative on national defense. if the economy tanks in 2008 and the Ds find a non-Hillary candidate whom voters can trust on defense, they will win and could possibly take back the House if they make a bit of a gain this year.

Indeed - but therein lies the ineptitude. You can't just wait until the global economic situation swings around to a position where you're ideas suddenly seem right again.

They need to actually come up with some ideas, and they need to expose the glaring failings of the party in power. They just sort of seem to sit there everytime the administration screws up.

When John Major was falling apart at the end of his career, Tony Blair and the Labour party made a point of exposing every scandal, screw up and lie. It worked.

This isn't a partisan view btw. I have lived in many many countries and I've never in my life seen a political party with such a transparently weak position that has been so underexploited by the opposition.
 
albo
2006-04-12 2:53:38 PM  
I have lived in many many countries and I've never in my life seen a political party with such a transparently weak position that has been so underexploited by the opposition.

they need another bill clinton and james carville to come in and start slapping people around and shaking some sense into them--those guys had a message and they had a will to win that would not be denied. harry reid and howard dean and nancy pelosi aren't good candidates for that.
 
peachpicker
2006-04-12 2:53:40 PM  
alcoholic_entropy: The fact that Paul Hackett isn't in the senate race is what's wrong with dems... they ran him out because he DARED to speak his mind.

Agreed. That was an embarrassment, and an insult to the voters.
 
TheConvincingSavant
2006-04-12 2:54:03 PM  
What is the rights obsession about telling the democrats how to run there party?

Simple, we know that a two-party system, however bad it may be, is still better than a one-party system.

Without a standard for comparison, how else would the right know how much better of a choice they really are?
 
alcoholic_entropy
2006-04-12 3:07:04 PM  
TheConvincingSavant: Simple, we know that a two-party system, however bad it may be, is still better than a one-party system.

Without a standard for comparison, how else would the right know how much better of a choice they really are?


Dude, you're gloating is really making you look stupid. Just because the dems can't get it together doesn't mean the republicans aren't a bunch of religious-right pandering jerkoffs that are more than happy to take away our personal freedoms.
 
RobbieFal
2006-04-12 3:07:48 PM  
Correlation totally implies causation!
 
Dumb-Ass-Monkey [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2006-04-12 3:07:49 PM  
The democrats are a woeful organisation aren't they.

The party in power currently has variously been caught:

botching a war
lying about the war
lying about the lying about the war
leaking stuff it shouldn't have
taking bribes from lobbyists
etc
etc

And yet the Democrats still can't win. Kinda says something, don't it?
 
Tigger
2006-04-12 3:08:20 PM  

Dude, you're gloating is really making you look stupid.

True indeed, but as he mentioned

Without a standard for comparison...
 
heap
2006-04-12 3:08:47 PM  
Dumb-Ass-Monkey: Kinda says something, don't it?

that the american populace really, really, really likes American Idol?
 
alcoholic_entropy
2006-04-12 3:09:53 PM  
heap: that the american populace really, really, really likes American Idol?

No farking sh*t. It's a sad state in this country.
 
Dumb-Ass-Monkey [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2006-04-12 3:13:09 PM  
heap

Exactly! Did you watch last night? The music of Queen! And at least 50% of them didn't totally fark up the songs.
 
heap
2006-04-12 3:14:57 PM  
dumb-ass-monkey

no, somehow i missed it...altho that caused the mental image of William Hung singing 'Fat Bottomed Girls' to appear, and that's not a good thing.
 
peachpicker
2006-04-12 3:16:57 PM  
RobbieFal: Correlation totally implies causation!

That's just what I was thinking.

And does it seem to anyone else that the WSJ's bluster in this article is fed by fear rather than confidence?

Let's wait until after the runoff election before anyone is declared a winner or loser.
 
Dumb-Ass-Monkey [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2006-04-12 3:18:15 PM  
Heap
The blond southern girl did Bohemian Rhapsody. NOT a song that should be compressed into a minute twenty. Plus, only Freddie could sing it in all the differend pitches and octaves without sounding terrible.
 
damageddude [TotalFark]
2006-04-12 3:22:26 PM  
When are you lefties real Republicans going to form a new party already?

Your old one is dead has been stolen by the intolerant right.

/vote Whig in '08
 
TheConvincingSavant
2006-04-12 3:24:55 PM  
Just because the dems can't get it together doesn't mean the republicans aren't a bunch of religious-right pandering jerkoffs that are more than happy to take away our personal freedoms.

True, but they're still going to win.

You want that to stop? Find a new party.
 
the_gospel_of_thomas
2006-04-12 3:25:08 PM  
alcoholic_entropy "The fact that Paul Hackett isn't in the senate race is what's wrong with dems... they ran him out because he DARED to speak his mind."

... no ... Paul Hackett is out because he's an ASHHOLE.


Iraq war veteran Tammy Duckworth edged out opponents in the Democratic primary Tuesday, setting up an intriguing congressional contest. The upbeat vet - who didn't begin her campaign until mid-December - will face Republican Peter Roskam in November in a bid to replace retiring Rep. Henry Hyde (R), who has represented Illinois's Sixth District since 1975.

Ms. Duckworth is the most visible of seven Democratic Iraq war vets running for Congress this year. Her candidacy has attracted much national attention due to her compelling personal story - she lost both legs and partial use of one arm when her helicopter was shot down in November 2004 - and the district in which she's running. Located in Chicago's western suburbs, the Sixth District has long been overwhelmingly Republican but is changing, and Democrats are now eyeing it.


/and i'm glad she won, I disagree with her politically - but spported her - and i'm a republican for chrissakes.
 
heap
2006-04-12 3:27:57 PM  
dumb-ass-monkey

i honestly have no idea what you are talking about, so just imagine a textual rabbit with a pancake on it's head in the place of further discussion on American Idol.
 
alcoholic_entropy
2006-04-12 3:34:04 PM  
the_gospel_of_thomas: ... no ... Paul Hackett is out because he's an ASHHOLE.


... what did that paragraph have to do with Hackett?
 
the_gospel_of_thomas
2006-04-12 3:34:34 PM  
did you read it?
 
alcoholic_entropy
2006-04-12 3:35:41 PM  
the_gospel_of_thomas: did you read it?


I don't even see Hackett's name.
 
the_gospel_of_thomas
2006-04-12 3:42:09 PM  
They "ran him out" because his mind was full of bullshieat.

Tammy Duckworth spoke her mind, was intelligent and articulate, didn't go on the Bill Maker show and act like a farking lunatic, freaking out even Bill Maher in the process.

You want to lose elections? Then act JUST LIKE Paul Hackett.
 
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