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(Some Guy)   They say they support the troops but that makes zero sense. Support the troops doing what, exactly? Fighting in a war that they oppose? Taking orders from a man they despise?   (alarmingnews.com) divider line
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2006-03-22 2:58:38 PM  
worst. troll. evar.
 
2006-03-22 2:59:23 PM  
Perhaps being willing to pay for their medical when one of their limbs get amputated.
 
2006-03-22 2:59:35 PM  
By tying together the mission and the men, the hardcore bush apologists can dismiss any criticism of the war as criticism of our men and women in uniform.
 
2006-03-22 3:03:58 PM  
Doing the job they're required by law to do, even though they don't particularly agree with the job?

Eh, you're farking dumb.
 
2006-03-22 3:05:02 PM  
Is it one troll or many that keep on putting up shiat-eating neocon/dominionist slanted headlines?
 
2006-03-22 3:10:58 PM  
I would just like to remind you that terrorists hate our freedoms.
 
2006-03-22 3:45:49 PM  
Uh oh. The admins are looking to watch a flamewar, it would appear.
 
2006-03-22 3:50:45 PM  
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2006-03-22 3:52:38 PM  
Looking around at these middle to upper class white kids who had come to a rock concert to fight the power, I couldn't help but let any hate or anger I would've had towards them fade away. They have zero consistency in their opinions.

These were some of the most priveleged people on earth. They had never struggled, never known actual oppression, and probably never would.

_________________________________

Great stuff. I wonder how much tickets cost...
 
2006-03-22 3:55:08 PM  
Iraq War supporters think war is a videogame, with no lasting consequences.

The armed forces were seriously missallocated to fight Bush's war of bravado and glory, at the expence of the USA's reputation and several thousand parents who's kids will come home in a box.

They didn't ask to go, they went, and did their job, now the Administration has to hold up their end of the bargain.

Then theresthe thing about the war being engineered by draft-dodgers Bush & "5 deferments" Dick "other priorities" Cheney.
 
2006-03-22 3:56:28 PM  
Why should I give a frak about the oppressed Iraqi people? We're not World Cops.
 
2006-03-22 3:57:48 PM  
I'm wondering where the "real" poll numbers those people talk about are found...
 
2006-03-22 3:57:50 PM  
Iraqi war supporters have the same kind of dedication to the war that they have to a sporting event.
 
2006-03-22 4:01:06 PM  
Apparently Submitter does not have the intellectual capacity to understand that a person may be against the conflict, but truly support the efforts. respect the commitment, and be thankful of the brave service of our soldiers.

Idiot.
 
2006-03-22 4:05:53 PM  
I support the trooops cause chicks dig it. And I like chicks.
 
2006-03-22 4:11:15 PM  
Can't submitter just for a second, step back, and think about the puffins?
 
2006-03-22 4:18:55 PM  
I support the women the troops left here to follow whatever they believed to join up.
 
2006-03-22 4:21:04 PM  
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So are conservatives going to show their support for the "not quite injured enough" troops in Iraq that get Pluple Hearts by wearing these?

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2006-03-22 4:21:06 PM  
Pope Benedict simply deserted the army he was in and he's a hero. Maybe if the soldiers in Iraq did the same thing, they'd be heroes too.
 
2006-03-22 4:27:42 PM  
Mr. Clarence Butterworth: Iraq War supporters think war is a videogame, with no lasting consequences.

As someone who was trained by the USAF and participated in the first gulf war, I find that offensive. I don't think that we should have gone into Iraq and I never bought the public reasons for doing it, but I definitely support what we are doing now. We need to continue fighting and rebuilding the country that we destroyed. All those dead American Servicemen and women and all those dead Iraqis will be just wasted lives if we pull out before the situation is stabilized.

Having a democracy in Iraq is the best way to honor those dead.

Those brave servicemen and women signed up to risk their lives to defend your freedoms. They gave up their individual freedoms so that you could exercise yours. They have no choice but to follow orders. They can be jailed or even killed (by the opposing forces) by not following orders. So yes, I support the troops and so should everyone else.

It is also our responsibility to question our leaders and examine the results of their decisions in order to make sure that the troops are being supported properly by those that give them their orders.

The things that I find unconscionable are:

1.) Not supplying our troops with the proper equipment like vehicle armor and personal armor even though the money and supplies are readily available.
2.) Refusing to use the force necessary to get the job done.
3.) Not giving proper and fair veterans benefits to those troops adversely affected by the war.

Supply and strategy errors will be made in any conflict. I don't necessarily hold leaders responsible for them until they refuse to learn from those errors. The Bush administration has been slow to learn indeed, but they seem to be finally making some of the changes that are necessary.

I can only hope that the next president does what is necessary to stabilize the country and put an end to the fighting and loss of life.
 
2006-03-22 4:34:46 PM  
You_mean_Im_gonna_stay_this_color

I can't help but think that the lady in that picture is using the bandaids to force her mouth into that smile, a la Clockwork Orange
 
2006-03-22 4:36:53 PM  
I so want to slap a couple of chins off of that woman wearing the "purple heart" band-aid. What a way to disrespect anyone who's received an injury, however trivial, sacrificing their own bodies for the good of their country.

Supporting the troops means giving them the resources they need to get the job done. Sending kids to Iraq with no body armor and no clear objective is not an example of that. Pretending that everything's going well is not an example of that.

The Bush Administration has been more willing to admit that things aren't going perfectly lately, and I respect that and hope it continues. They need to stop trying to deflect blame onto the media for reporting bad news, though, if they want to keep my respect.
 
2006-03-22 4:44:32 PM  
poot_rootbeer: I so want to slap a couple of chins off of that woman wearing the "purple heart" band-aid. What a way to disrespect anyone who's received an injury, however trivial, sacrificing their own bodies for the good of their country.


Agreed. Conservatives thought it was hillarious, never once stopping to think how it might make others feel. It was a disgrace.
 
2006-03-22 4:45:17 PM  
Those brave servicemen and women signed up to risk their lives to defend your freedoms.

Ohh, get off your farking high horse. Iraq has nothing to do with defending "my freedoms" in goddamned Iraq.

They gave up their individual freedoms so that you could exercise yours

Please, do you shiat freedom fries and July 4th bunting?


Nothing anybody is doing in Iraq has single GODDAMNED THING to do with anything stateside.
 
2006-03-22 4:53:40 PM  
Mr. Clarence Butterworth: Ohh, get off your farking high horse. Iraq has nothing to do with defending "my freedoms" in goddamned Iraq.

I agree. What they are doing in Iraq now has little to do with 'defending your freedoms', but that's irrelevant. Most of them signed up with lofty ideals and did, indeed, do it to defend others' freedoms.

Nothing anybody is doing in Iraq has single GODDAMNED THING to do with anything stateside.

You're a tool if you think that stability in the middle east has nothing to do with anything stateside. Haven't you been paying attention? Iran already has a nuke or is trying desperately to get one so that it can dominate the region. Saddam was trying to do the same.

You can argue (and probably be right) that the war in Iraq makes things less stable in the short run, but it most certainly affects you. Nobody knows what will happen in the long run, but we are certainly going to have a permanent military base there similar to the ones we have in Europe.
 
2006-03-22 5:00:14 PM  
I can only hope that the next president does what is necessary to stabilize the country and put an end to the fighting and loss of life.

In other words, vote for the Superman/Jesus ticket in 2008 to fix Iraq, since that's about the only way it's gonna happen.

The way we 'did' Iraq pretty much guarantees a tripartite civil war, with the big fight being the secession war yet to be started by the Kurds. The loss of those natural gas resources will maybe briefly unify the Arab Iraqis, but there'll always be Sunni-Shi'a tension. Moreover, if the Kurds get too frisky about reuniting with their brethren in southern Turkey, the war expands to a NATO country. Maybe a smarter politician could have found a way to play these factions off of each other to topple Saddam in a clever way (the same way Colin Powell played the Northern Alliance off of the Taliban in Afghanistan) but no, we went to war with the idiots-in-charge that we had, and now we are good and truly farked.

The fighting and loss of life that Bush is passing on to future generations is a direct result of his poor understanding of the region, his lack of insight on how to deal with the problem, and his utter disregard for the people who will be there on the front lines fighting and dying for his mistakes. And it all could have been prevented if we'd just taken our damn time back in early 2003.
 
2006-03-22 5:01:09 PM  
Dancin_In_Anson: These were some of the most priveleged people on earth. They had never struggled, never known actual oppression, and probably never would.

Are you talking about the protesters of the Iraq war or the people who planned it?
 
2006-03-22 5:03:24 PM  
Scooby's'pawn: Saddam was trying to do the same.

Says who? Documents have been released this week that detail meetings that Sadam held in 1997-98. In those meetings he told his department officials that they had destroyed all the WMD and dismantled the nuclear program. There is no evidence that they ever tried to reconstitute it. In fact, Saddam was trying to be in 100% compliance to get the UN off his back. He was in a box
 
2006-03-22 5:08:03 PM  
Neocons support the troops by making sure they are going to have jobs for a very very long time I guess.
 
2006-03-22 5:18:19 PM  
Scooby's'pawn
Nobody knows what will happen in the long run...

I think we had a better idea about what was going to happen in the long run before we invaded. Nothing. Now we have to deal with Iran who is probably seeking nuclear technology largely because we invaded Iraq - their people got scared so the elected batshiat crazy leaders, kind of like the people of our own country in '04.

IMO, suppporters of Bush are cowards who get paranoid by peace and feel threatened by things like gay marriage, so they play up their "military strength" and "high morality" to prove to the rest of us that they're not little wimpy liberals, but whatever. I see right through it - I have since before Bush was ever (s)elected. And no, democrats/liberal aren't any better - they have their whole self-hating complex too. In my experience, anyone who proclaims as an act of pride that they belong to any political party is a douche.
 
2006-03-22 5:27:44 PM  
Uncle Pim: Now we have to deal with Iran who is probably seeking nuclear technology largely because we invaded Iraq


Yeah...they had no designs prior...You betcha...
 
2006-03-22 5:32:10 PM  
Yeah...they had no designs prior...You betcha...

Well, prior to the "Axis of Evil" speech, Iran was a moderate country with a young and modern population. The hardliners running the country now (and who are designing the nuke program) were a backlash against that little blunder. Then, we invade their neighbor, and hey presto, Iran's interested in weapons systems that discourages us from invading? You betcha.

Who knows - maybe Iran was wanting The Bomb before Iraq, but you have to think that the Iraq invasion maybe put their plans on the fast-track, eh? And now it's a major problem that we have to deal with in addition to our mess in Iraq, to say nothing of how we're letting Afghanistan backslide while our attention is elsewhere.
 
2006-03-22 5:38:07 PM  
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Hello! I'm Richard J. Gayhater III.


I own a small business that sells firearms to school children at gun shows. When I'm not busy hunting endangered animals and dumping the contents of my RV's chemical toilet into public water supplies, you can usually find me helping out at the New Jersey Republican Headquarters. What I want to talk to you about right now is supporting the troops.

You see, we Republicans firmly believe that our troops need support. What kind of support you ask? Well, not financial support certainly. I mean, we don't want the government providing them with body armor or properly equipt humvies or anything. I mean, we've controlled all three branches of the federal government for years and our troops STILL aren't getting the supplies they need... so right there you can see that financial and material support is not a high priority for us.

No... when we Republicans talk about supporting our troops, we mean supporting them with yellow magnets shaped like ribbons. Sure, just buy one on the internet and stick it on your vehicle. Then you can feel superior to those pinko gay democrats who are all whining about the value of human life and the evils of attacking soveriegn nations. Those bunch of whiners really make sick.

You liberals want Saddam back in power on 9/11 getting a gay marriage! There I win the debate.

-Sincerely

Richard J. Gayhater III
 
2006-03-22 5:50:28 PM  
I would just like to remind you that terrorists hate our freedoms.

If that were really, 100% true, there'd be a crater where Amsterdam used to be. Scandinavia's winters would be nuclear ones.
 
2006-03-22 5:59:08 PM  
Coming home in one piece, dickhead submitter
 
2006-03-22 6:02:26 PM  
Uncle Pim: In my experience, anyone who proclaims as an act of pride that they belong to any political party is a douche.

Amen to that.
 
2006-03-22 6:02:47 PM  
Here's the logic:

To support the war and to support the president is to support direct harm to the troops. There's no justification for desiring this kind of suffering Therefore to support the war and the president is to maliciously wish ill will upon the troops. To support the prez and the war is, effectively, hating the troops. Or, if not exactly HATE, it's the same way parents will tell their kids, "I love you," whilst beating them or molesting them.

Thus, being the opposite of this, the best way to support the troops is to be against the war and the president.
 
2006-03-22 6:08:33 PM  
Everyone's Collective Imaginary Friend

Boy howdy, that was funny. I don't think I could have said all those things as well as that without pissing many more people off and making no one laugh.
 
2006-03-22 6:33:47 PM  
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Someone say "support"?
 
2006-03-22 7:00:28 PM  
Scooby's'pawn

Uncle Pim: In my experience, anyone who proclaims as an act of pride that they belong to any political party is a douche.

Amen to that.


You nailed the hit on the head with that one. Couldn't agree more.
 
2006-03-22 7:07:31 PM  
Vorticity the Monkey: Well, prior to the "Axis of Evil" speech, Iran was a moderate country with a young and modern population. The hardliners running the country now (and who are designing the nuke program) were a backlash against that little blunder.

*blink* The same people are in charge now as were in charge when the speech was made. There's a case to be made that we could have been more delicate in our phrasing, and lent more support to the reformists than abuse on the old guard, but it's not like the ayatollahs took power because of Bush's speech.
 
2006-03-22 7:09:54 PM  
War is Peace
Ignorance is Strength

Support the troops by approving of a unwinable war, and don't bother considering ational arguments.

Now get your hate on!
 
2006-03-22 7:29:56 PM  
Dancin_In_Anson

Uncle Pim: Now we have to deal with Iran who is probably seeking nuclear technology largely because we invaded Iraq

Yeah...they had no designs prior...You betcha...


I'm sure they did, but they hadn't elected any officials who would actually threaten to use them before we went and scared the shiat out of them by invading Iraq.
 
2006-03-22 7:51:47 PM  
I support the troops because they are my friends and coworkers, and are doing a job (volunteering to get up early in the morning and run is praise worthy enough, lol) that deserves praise whether you support Bush or not.

that said, that concert the writer of the article went to sounds like a crapfest. The Left Left sure does it's best to defeat the center left.
/shakes head
 
2006-03-22 8:00:17 PM  
OK everyone, wanna support the troops?

Lobby congress for some real Veterans benefits instead of the crap they get now. Sure that means some money will have to be taken out of the defense budget for this. Any takers?

/crickets chirp
//thought so
 
2006-03-22 8:16:21 PM  
*blink* The same people are in charge now as were in charge when the speech was made.

Umm, no, not even remotely. The elections held in February 2003 were a watershed moment for Iranian politics, with the conservatives taking power, and then closing the door on non-approved parties in the February 2004 elections. And in case you missed it, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is a very different kind of president than more reform-minded Mohammad Khatami (well, reform-minded for Iran.) Ahmadinejad relies much more on the direction of the ayatollahs than did his predecessor, as well.

Of course, I don't know all the intricate details of Iranian politics, but there is no denying that a more conservative, anti-American government has been installed in Iran since Bush's 2002 speech. The 'why' may be for a different reason, of course, but it's most certainly *not* the same people in charge in Iran. Not even close.
 
2006-03-22 8:30:18 PM  
The elected leadership in Iran has little to no power on their own. Mohammad Khatami was nice window dressing when they were making the effort to lift sanctions by giving the appearance of a democracy. However he accomplished little given the stranglehold the clerics still have on decision making. All the key decisions are still being approved by the Ayatollah's and Guardian Council regardless of who is elected.
 
2006-03-22 9:33:27 PM  
I have to say that I agree with the poster. It angers me when I hear people use the "but I support the troops" line. Nonsense, and stop pretending that you love America. I have said it before, and I will say it agai. We live in the golden age of humanity and most of the liberal nabobs don't have enough sense to realize it. This was America's gift to the world. (In addition to a functioning democracy when most other places were a Monarchiy of one stripe or another. Add electricty, and penicillin to that list as well) Our troops are fighting and dying to protect our right to have this dicussion w/o resorting to violence. I fully support all you Liberal Pukes right to hate America, war, and the President. But please stop saying you support the troops so many of you obviously despise and fear. Ave America! Ave Bush! Ave Imperium!
 
2006-03-22 9:52:40 PM  
Daedalus27
The elected leadership in Iran has little to no power on their own.

Says you. I suspect otherwise. Khatami certainly accomplished a lot for being just 'window dressing' as you smugly put it. Of course, neither you nor I don't really know how deeply he was in the pockets of the clerics, but OTOH, I've already admitted as such. Your turn?

donmateo
Ave America! Ave Bush! Ave Imperium!

Ooh, well played! 9.7/10, with full marks for style and mostly correct spelling.
 
2006-03-23 4:03:22 AM  
"It was a very stressful time for me, the war. I'll tell you why - I was in the unenviable position of being for the war, but against the troops. And ah... Not the most popular stance I've ever taken on an issue." - Bill Hicks
 
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