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(Hutchinson News)   Group of bikers tour the country, keeping Westboro Baptist Church protesters from disturbing military funerals. Good guys ride Iron Horses   ( divider line
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2006-03-18 01:40:18 AM  
Blows me away how many posters want to turn this into a "I hate Bush" thread. This isn't about Bush. This isn't about Iraq. This isn't about gays. This isn't even about war.

I'm a 20 military veteran where I spent the bulk of my time in the Special Warfare community. Saw a lot of good folks catch a bad bullet. How about you "hate, hate, hate" people (who state that under the pretense of being "peace loving") take the time to speak to a veteran of Iraq and Afghanistan. Ask them about what they felt they were doing and the accomplishments they attained helping other members of the HUMAN RACE.

Honor the person. Honor what they did when they died. Honor their conviction for helping humanity (not just America). Honor their clan who now lives without one of their most precious family members.

And dishonor anyone who chooses to take that precious loss and turns it into their own personal religious/political hate-filled agenda.
2006-03-18 01:41:47 AM  
"Being that God doesn't exist (except maybe in your imagination) is there really any damage being done?"

Hmm looks sort of familiar, you are stating your OPINION as though it is a fact. Not much different than the whacko protesters. They seem to think their opinion is fact too.

As far as the right to protest, maybe. If it is a gov't owned\operated cemetary, I would probably agree there is a right. If it is a private cemetary, I'm not so sure.

There is a difference between having a right, and doing what is right. What these protestors are doing is wrong, maybe not illegal, but still wrong. Anyone who would invade a family's privacy at a funeral is scum.

I find it interesting that this so called Church picks funerals for their protests. They are either looking for shock effect, or figure that they are safe because the mourners are going to show enough decorum not to cause an incident.

I like what the bikers are doing, and hope they continue. Knee jerk laws to attempt to stop the protestors are just going to draw more attention to them.
2006-03-18 01:48:48 AM  

Ah gosh. Third one this week.

Amazing what you can say through the filters....
2006-03-18 01:57:46 AM  

The only reason this is making news is because its Phelp's crowd.

I doubt that if these biker's appeared outside Walter Reed to stop the tye dye, birkenstock wearing crowd protesting to wounded vet's we would hear about it. That's unless it was to show how peace supporters were getting harassed by inbred, macho, gasoline burning violent bikers.

Not that this will make any difference to the Bush lied, kids died crowd.

/Waiting for the cheers for those Muslim dokey riders that will show up to the support the "Gay vs. Muslim" soccer tourny, I'm sure it'll be fabulous.
2006-03-18 01:58:31 AM  
Amazing what you can say through the filters....

I see that!
2006-03-18 02:02:01 AM  
Bush and Cheney went into the White House to make money is kinda silly..

I don't necessarily think that they went in for $ alone - lest we forget the lure of power. Money is a side-benefit. Power is invaluable.
2006-03-18 02:02:13 AM  
So uh, where's the
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2006-03-18 02:05:39 AM  
Legit link for those of you that will have problems with the source.

Not that if any of these items check out they'll make an impact.
2006-03-18 02:08:42 AM  
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"Stop with the questions, already!" - GOD
2006-03-18 02:15:41 AM  

/they're incredibly informative!
//"yes that was my *sarcasm* dripping on your shoes"
///don't be hatin'...

What part of "Do Unto Others" is obscure?
2006-03-18 02:15:43 AM  

As I have pointed out for the 5th week in a row that this story has appeared on Fark.

This is all about showcasing one groups objection to homosexuality and an opportunity to bash Christians. Nothing to do with support for the families of soldiers.

You guys can pretend that you care about those famalies but yet the discussion on this very topic always turns into a defense of homosexuality - because we all know how oppressed the homosexual race is in this society.
2006-03-18 02:23:15 AM  
We gots 'Christians' practicing hate and preaching violence,

'Republicans' inflating government, increasing its reach and scope to pry into private lives of citizens, and spending like there'll be no tomorrow,

'Conservatives' promoting foreign adventures and entanglements, constricting the rights of people to live as they wish, and approving and prompting the massing of control of the press (and pretty much everything else) into the fewest hands possible.

A 'Justice' Department that not only condones torture, but lays out the correct methods,

If you wanna do harm, call yourself the opposite of what you're gonna do.

/ Soap, Ballot, Jury, Ammo
// They've taken away the first two,
/// Third one's leaving soon,
//// Fourth box speeding toward fan.
2006-03-18 02:24:14 AM  

Bend over and I'll show you how oppressed we are.
2006-03-18 02:37:10 AM  

Bend over and I'll show you how oppressed we are.

No thanks. I agree with the concept that consenting adults should be able to practice sex as long as both partners are aware and comfortable with that situation. Anti-sodomy laws do violate the concensus of an expressed right privacy. I just believe that there are a group of people that don't respect that privacy and go all out to identify who is a homosexual so that they can take up their cause. It kind of reminds me of the earlier link about the white guy - dressed in my opinion offensively - that was all about more slavery education.

I think the thing that pushed my PC meter past the limit was when I once overheard a group talking about how they wish they knew who the homosexuals were at their church so that they could let them know they were welcome. Now if that's just not flat out retarded I guess I haven't been forced through enough tolerance re-education yet.
2006-03-18 02:45:36 AM  
Assholes. Sure I hate the war, and hate Bush, but I still believe in respecting the dead.

Well, except maybe it was GW, Cheney, or especially this Phelps guy who passed away. In which case I'd happily dance on their graves.
2006-03-18 02:50:19 AM  
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2006-03-18 02:51:31 AM  
If someone were to kill Phelps, I would personally donate money to their legal defense team. I'm sure most people here would do the same.
2006-03-18 02:54:14 AM  
Don't believe for a minute that every group that calls itself a Christian church is Christian. Fred Phelps is a near-certainly mentally ill man who gets off on being hated. Even neo-fundamentalists like Robertson distance themselves from him. What he's doing is pure evil. I despise...I abhor everything that he does, says, and teaches.

But for him? Well, I sort of pity him. I definitely pity the members of his group.
2006-03-18 02:57:42 AM  

The issue for these threads is "Is Phelp's behaviour acceptable as a form of free speech?"

Your first guess was "Christians are being oppressed, as evidenced by the amount of coverage this anti-gay christian group is recieving".

Your second guess was the old "the world has become too PC" argument.

A swing and a miss! Better luck next time.
2006-03-18 03:02:51 AM  
My answer to the 'free speech' issue: Fark no, what he does is not protected by free speech. What his group says is hate speech, spoken in places and times where it is meant to hurt and offend. Free speech doesn't allow me to go into a gay bar, say "F*ck the gays," and expect to be immune from reprisals.
2006-03-18 03:58:02 AM  
There are three things that Farkers agree on:

1. Beer is good.
2. Duke sucks.
3. Phelps is an asshat.

Any others?
2006-03-18 04:08:35 AM  
an iron horse is a native american term for locomotive - or train engine, that is.

phelps and his followers are morons, who can't get the point: we must honor people who have died just to help allow such freedoms as his - freedom of speech.
2006-03-18 04:24:32 AM  

may You grow into a wiser man someday.
How does my opinion make me any less wise than you? These people have every right to demonstrate their opinion at any funeral they please. Being that God doesn't exist (except maybe in your imagination)

i'm voting with the 'just because you can doesn't mean you should' bloc. sure, people may HAVE the right, but it doesn't MAKE it right. a funeral is about respect for the dead and it is about support for the living.

a wise man chooses the right venue to make his point. elsewise the venue itself may obfuscate the message.

if they are protesting funerals of soldiers because AMERICA tolerates gays, aren't there more apt places to find pro-gay people? i mean, heck, think about it for a moment. many military peolpe don't want gays in the military. maybe if they'd research, they might find out that particular soldier they're dishonoring might be a gay-bashing homophobe; in which case, phelps et al would want to honor the fallen. right?

yeah, that's right. THINKING about a situation maybe changes it, doesn't it. putz.
2006-03-18 04:49:26 AM  
phelps' daughter has been on ron & fez a couple of times and she is the most hateful person i have ever heard.
2006-03-18 05:40:00 AM  
Anyone who has said "Violence never solved anything" is completely ignorant of history.
As for the "Right" to hurt the grieving relatives of folks, it's technically your "right" to use slander and libel, at least until it can be proved as such.
As for that, I admire what Andrew Jackson's mother told him:
"Don't you never sue noone for slander nor libel. Handle them matters yourself."
2006-03-18 05:51:58 AM  

You know what I love?

I love it when people start placing conditions and qualifiers on (arguably) our most important Constitutional freedom.

Mitch J
Hey, you know what falls outside of the limits of free speech protected by the constitution? Funeral protesting., no actually it doesn't. The second you start to limit one person's right to free speech, you haev limited everyone's right to free speech. Phelp's actions may be a crime against decency, but they are protected by the Constitution.
2006-03-18 06:07:44 AM  
scape, im as agnostic as anyone, yet you embarass me by bringing the existence of God into this thread as a way of scoring a few cheap points.Freedom is somthing you must be responsible with.As Chariset mentioned, things have consequences and sure the Phelps brigade CAN proselytize outside funerals of soldiers, just as they CAN expect to have the living shiate beat out of them by the soldiers relatives.
Freedom means responsibility to those freedoms, somthing which Phelps, and you, clearly lack
2006-03-18 06:20:07 AM  
Um, I'm no expert on such matters but doesn't the right to assemble also include the word "peaceably"? I'd hate to think of our rights eroding any more than they already have but from the sounds of things these people are going out of their way to be anything but peaceful. As such, can't they at least be escorted from the area, if not outright arrested for creating a public nuisance? It's not like they aren't fully aware of what they're doing.
2006-03-18 06:23:58 AM  
If only those bikers could afford mufflers for their Harleys.
2006-03-18 06:45:44 AM  
That Phelps mob hasn't shown up at any funerals here in Louisiana, that I know of. Maybe they know what would happen to them here. Bodies are easily disposed of in Cajun country. Gators'll eat anything. So will these Coonasses.
2006-03-18 06:48:50 AM  
Iron horses, eh? I always preferred "On a steel horse I ride" myself. But the point is, HAZZAH to them! Fark Phelps and everyone who supports him.
2006-03-18 07:05:50 AM  

Loud pipes save lives.
2006-03-18 07:53:57 AM  
"Bodies are easily disposed of in Cajun country. Gators'll eat anything. So will these Coonasses."
Hey, buddy, enough Cajun spice and cooking time, and any of those guys would disappear into 6 dozen orders of Cajun-style ribs for the tourists....
2006-03-18 08:03:33 AM  
As a PGR myself, I can say this:

We are polite, but will not stand for that asinine behaviour at a funeral.

The dead and the grieving deserve more respect.
2006-03-18 08:06:21 AM  
Loud pipes save lives.

Myth. Most people are gabbing away on a cell phone or kids have the music so damn loud they'll never hear the loud exhaust.

Just like it's a myth that motorcycle helmets will save your life in a MVA. Motorcycle helmets are great in SVA, but in MVA's the other vehicle tends to cause massive damage to areas other than your head.
2006-03-18 08:13:04 AM  
They are talking about passing a no-protest law here (pertaining to funerals) because of these 4 asshats. Literally every one of them fits in 1 van. I don't believe more than 4 or 6 of them has ever shown up at a funeral.

I don't believe the war was a good idea. I don't think Westboro is full of the love of jesus and their fellow man. I don't think a funeral is the time or the place. I don't have anything against the poor soldiers doing Bush's dirty work. I'm not convinced that we need a law for this.

There's something that words can't express about a handful of jackasses trolling at a funeral and 400 people with flags ignoring them. These Patriot Guard people have organized 18,000 people since last August. That's huge.

While it's distasteful, bad form and hopefully a one way ticket to hell for the Westboro folks. I think for the most part, the point has been made. They don't matter.
2006-03-18 08:54:36 AM  
If the Biker Vets have to come to my town, I'll make sure they don't have to pay for a thing.

Makes me wish for Ye Olde Dayes, when guys like Phelpes would be tarred, feathered, and ridden out of town on a rail.
2006-03-18 08:57:57 AM  
Buddy boy...

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2006-03-18 09:14:25 AM  
I've said it before, and I'll say it again, "God bless these bikers!"
2006-03-18 09:23:39 AM  
What's next from [ir]Rev. Phelps? "God hates H.O.G.s"?
2006-03-18 09:25:29 AM  
I suggest a Fark party when Phelps dies, at the gravesite, plenty of beer, and we all get in a single file line, and urinate on his grave.
2006-03-18 09:27:22 AM  
When I first heard this story I was (and still am) appauled by the total lack of respect for the dead by these so-called "Christians"...

Plain and simple... Who are we, as simple mortals to judge one another? That is not our place, He will judge all of us when our time comes, I personally do not approve homosexuality, but it is not my place to judge anyone. I do have gay freinds and I value there freindship like I do anyone elses that I know. They know where I stand, as long as I don't force my opinons on them, and visa versa, there are no problems...

Any "religion" that preaches hate..... Will have to answer for there own actions in due time, I really feel sorry for the ignorance these people show.

Also, whether you agree with any war our troops should always be supported. These young men and women volunteer part of there lives to serve our country and I have the utmost respect for them, when someone joins the military they do so knowing that our country can call upon them at any time to fight anywhere in the world.

So simply put, show respect for the people willing to do what most people won't do......
2006-03-18 09:48:30 AM  
Why doesn't phelps and the rest of those clowns protest gay rights parades or gay weddings? Do phelps and those assholes realize how they got the right to protest? Soldies died for that right whether you agree with this mess in Iraq or not.
2006-03-18 10:01:01 AM  
...ah, forget it.
2006-03-18 10:03:28 AM  
fred phelps, i've had problems with this so called "preacher" for some time, its good to see that some bikers are taking up the cause against him and his brainwashed little croneys.
generally, i'm all for tolerance of others beliefs, but in the case of fundamentalism fill in the blank bullshiat, intolerance needs to be met with intolerance.
2006-03-18 10:50:52 AM  
Mitch J

The issue for these threads is "Is Phelp's behaviour acceptable as a form of free speech?"

Oh, you're bringing up the ol "hate speech" argument. As I said, would these bikers be called heros in the media if they showed up in front of anti-war protestors at Walter Reed Army hospital? Or how about Cindy Sheehan's group using the names of soldier's whose families made demands to be removed from her protest?

These stories are not on Fark for the issue of the dead soldiers - these stories are on Fark because of Phelp's position on homosexuality.

Swing and a miss? You're reply clearly implies that the focus of repeating these stories over and over again on Fark are due to his the issue of Phelp's message
2006-03-18 11:14:57 AM  
The reason Phelps and his cronies do NOT go to Gay Pride days or Gay Weddings is they are deathly afraid of being "outed" by someone they know in their closet life. "Hey, I know that guy with the sign! He's got a brown mole right in the middle of his left asscheek!"
2006-03-18 11:26:02 AM  

These protesters have every right, as per the constitution, to demonstrate how they are feeling at some Joe's funeral.

Not true. Freedom of speech does not include the right to insight a riot. The Supreme Court (Holmes, I believe) has ruled that "the right to swing your fist, stops at my nose." As any reasonable person would see that disrespecting the death of a soldier at a funeral being attended by grieving loveones could insight a riot, the protesters may not be protected under the first amendment. Think of it this way... If you were watching the news and saw a story that had a grieving person walk over to a protester and take matters into his/her own hands would you thing, "Yeah, who didn't see this coming?" This is what we know as the clear and present danger doctrine that allows government to stop and prevent protest and demonstrations that inherently will disrupt peace and tranquility.

Schneck v. U.S.

Words which, ordinarily and in many places, would be within the freedom of speech protected by the First Amendment may become subject to prohibition when of such a nature and used in such circumstances a to create a clear and present danger that they will bring about the substantive evils which Congress has a right to prevent. The character of every act depends upon the circumstances in which it is done. P. 51. (​S.html)
2006-03-18 11:33:19 AM  
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2006-03-18 11:34:49 AM  
this all comes back to, if you hate the US so much that you have to protest funerals.

they may not like homos either but im sure theyll play havoc on your brown starfish
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