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(ABC News)   Arizona ski resort to make yellow snow. Urine trouble if you fall over   ( divider line
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2006-01-12 09:27:09 PM  
wow white people farking with Native American tribes who would have thought.
2006-01-13 01:09:24 AM  
I hope all the ensuing groaning from this headline doesn't trigger an avalanche.

2006-01-13 01:10:03 AM  
Frank Zappa approves.
2006-01-13 01:10:22 AM  
Watch out where the huskies go... Wait, now I can't tell where they go... Damn.
2006-01-13 01:10:43 AM  
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The Native Americans get farked by Arizona, more at 11.
2006-01-13 01:12:01 AM  
America has too many lawyers.

Sorry in advance for mentioning America, because I know it will spark a flood of stupid political posts...3...2...1...
2006-01-13 01:12:18 AM  
Without reading the article I have to say that headline is AWESOME.
2006-01-13 01:12:22 AM  
As a skier, I say do whatever it takes to get good snow.

But seriously, artificial snow is never any good anyway.

/I just jest
//It can be
2006-01-13 01:13:04 AM  
The snow is not yellow! it just promised its ma that it would never fight.
2006-01-13 01:13:13 AM  
I was 100% sure this headline was just a joke and that for some reason they were going to make the snow multicolored or something. Man, I was in for a surprise.
2006-01-13 01:13:17 AM  
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2006-01-13 01:14:34 AM  
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2006-01-13 01:29:08 AM  
So are those guys the next fark cliche cause tehy are almost as lame as the icy hot stuntaz
2006-01-13 01:30:50 AM  
White people: Pissing on the Native Americans since 1492.
2006-01-13 01:32:30 AM  
am i off in my reasoning here?
Dumping piss water on a sacred mountain would be roughly equivalent to the tribe lining up to wizz on a local church? (or maybe to get some equivalent sense of age and austerity, the tribe lining up to wizz on notre dame, or something).

i duno. maybe the folks of whatever religious persuasion that're pushing this through would be alright if their holy places were sprayed down with previously used urine, me i'd be a little annoyed.
2006-01-13 01:36:28 AM  
"This decision further eviscerates the rights of Native Americans to protect sacred lands that are essential to their belief systems," said Howard Shanker, an attorney representing three tribes and three activist groups in the case.

Hoever attorneys for the Native Americans (of which I am one, a "native American" of European descent...maybe they mean to say aboriginal americans...but I digress...would be happy to reconsider their protest if they would be allowed to place a few slot machines in the ski lodge

in the ski lodge.
2006-01-13 01:51:37 AM  
Hint: you're already drinking wastewater if you drink either tap water or filtered tapwater.

The city most likely uses a combo of aqueducts, river water (if one is nearby), and filtered wastewater.
2006-01-13 02:00:30 AM  
Puns would be the lowest form of humor.

If they were humor.
2006-01-13 02:05:09 AM  
just cuz you can never have enough of zappa...

Dreamed I was an Eskimo
(Bop-bop ta-da-da bop-bop Ta-da-da)
Frozen wind began to blow
(Bop-bop ta-da-da bop-bop Ta-da-da)
Under my boots 'n around my toe
(Bop-bop ta-da-da bop-bop Ta-da-da)
Frost had bit the ground below
(Boop-boop aiee-ay-ah!)
Was a hundred degrees below zero
(Bop-bop ta-da-da bop-bop Ta-da-da)
And my momma cried:
Boo-a-hoo hoo-ooo
And my momma cried:
Nanook-a, no no (no no . . . )
Nanook-a, no no (no no . . . )
Don't be a naughty Eskimo-wo-oh
(Bop-bop ta-da-da bop-bop Ta-da-da)
Save your money: don't go to the show
Well I turned around an' I said:
Well I turned around an' I said:
Well I turned around an' I said:
An' the Northern Lites commenced t' glow
An' she said
(Bop-bop ta-da-da bop . . . )
With a tear in her eye:
2006-01-13 02:08:13 AM  
indians beliefs are not really religion..there is no main god figure. there are only spirits....
that aside..

the main problem with human waste water is the chemicals that get flushed down the crapper...imagine springtime and all that piss snow flowing down into the river where you get your drinking water from...neworleans.. the highest rate of cancer in america...get water from the mississippiiiiii that has evey chemical know to man dumped into it...filtration is bare bones and voodoo..clorine and lime....

floride is fertilizer waste product
2006-01-13 02:22:00 AM  

ahhh Zappa.... brilliant!

but in this case it's "dont eat ANY snow!"
2006-01-13 02:30:14 AM  
I live in flagstaff, at the base of the mountain that snowbowl is on. I can tell you that the average Navajo could give two shiats about that mountain, and the ones that do dont really actually go to the moutain. I just dont see how adding snow to sacred land that already has a big ski resort on it is so bad. It was already desecrated when they put the lodges and lifts on the mountain! Might as well put it to use so people can actually ski on it. (We are in the middle of a big drought, no snow really, even on the 12,000 foot peak)

/that being said I refuse to ski on my frozen poop water
2006-01-13 02:33:43 AM  
These days, money is always going to trump religion. The ski resort brings a chunk o' change to the good folk of northern arizona, and you can't always count on the place getting a healthy natural snowfall. It hasn't open yet this year. But that wil all change once they start dumping Fake-Flake Snow (patent pending) all over the mountain top. Yipee!!!
2006-01-13 03:00:08 AM  
Hey you know what? The tribes that own and run the other ski resort in arizona, just a few hours away, have no problem whatsoever with spraying fake snow all over their mountain. Why not? Because they profit from it. I guarantee you that if the tribes owned Snowbowl, which they don't, they'd do the exact same thing they're doing over there at Sunrise. It all boils down to the money... that should be obvious.

And by the way, the fake "yellow snow" made with reclaimed water is going to be just as white as any other kind. The water is heavily purified, just short of potability. Nothing bad will happen to you if you should consume some, but if you're eating snow off of the ground to begin with you sort of accept the risk of it not being evian-grade.
2006-01-13 03:08:19 AM  
Another Flagstaff farker here chiming in with my two cents...
just want to agree with huntie, most of the Native Americans in the area aren't exactly respectful to the mountain or much of anything else for that matter.
2006-01-13 03:10:31 AM  
tenhigh: Hey you know what? The tribes that own and run the other ski resort in arizona, just a few hours away, have no problem whatsoever with spraying fake snow all over their mountain. Why not?

Becaue they're Apache, not Navajo?
2006-01-13 03:12:40 AM  
Actually there are over a dozen tribes who hold the San Francisco peaks sacred, one of which are the White Mountain Apache, who operate sunrise.
2006-01-13 03:15:43 AM  
tenhigh: Actually there are over a dozen tribes who hold the San Francisco peaks sacred, one of which are the White Mountain Apache, who operate sunrise.

But they don't seem to have a problem with wastewater at SnowBowl. You seemed to imply if one tribe doesn't object, another tribe is hypocritical for objecting.
2006-01-13 03:50:45 AM  
It's a freaking mountain. If the ski resort owns it, I say they can spray as much pee on it as they want. I suppose all the Indians that claim it's sacred to them would just hold it if they got the urge when they were there? What about the animals, can they commune with nature so well they can convince all the animals not to pee on their "sacred" farking mountain?

I feel for them, they've gotten totally screwed by the US, but this just seems like whining to me. I say we start a fund to buy every Indian in that tribe a copy of the book "everybody poops"
2006-01-13 03:57:24 AM  

Well if they don't take any offense to it, then they probably should if they want to please their deities. I mean seriously.

The ones who are fighting snowmaking aren't hypocrites by any means, but personally, I think that they are kind of dumb for believing fairy tales anyway, and the same goes for anybody else and any other religion.
2006-01-13 05:40:11 AM  
Cue Magua in 3..2..
2006-01-13 06:57:16 AM  
PopeBenedictXVI is exactly correct. Here in Pittsburgh the majority of the waste water is treated by Alcosan and then dumped back into the Ohio river. (When I say majority I mean as far East as Monroeville) A few miles down the river water is then pulled out of the river by West View Water Authority, treated, and then sent to your home as tap water.
2006-01-13 08:55:38 AM  
Justin Horne: But seriously, artificial snow is never any good anyway.

Man-made snow might suck, but it's much better than what AZ Snow Bowl has right now...

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//Man-made snow -- supporting East Coast skiers one season at a time.
2006-01-13 09:22:53 AM  
Ok folks look, its NOT PEE water. It's reclaimed water which means its been through an extensive filtration process at a water processing plant to filter out all the shiat and piss and other bacteria. This is the SAME water that is let go into all the great lakes from all the surrounding cities (Chicago, Cleveland, Detroit, etc, etc) via a similar process. It sounds gross, yes but by the time this reclaimed water gets back on to the mountain its going to be clean enough to be able to soak back into the water table without contaminating everything any more than it is already contaminated. Besides, there's millions of people in this country, all the shiat and piss has to go somewhere, right? Its going to all eventually soak back into the ground somehow...unless they figure out a way to launch it into space on giant garbage barge space shuttles and put all our waste on to the moon....hey, that gives me an idea...
2006-01-13 09:29:30 AM  
Wow, lots of Flagstaff farkers...

Fark-party anyone? Email in profile.

I have a political radio show on my campus am station and we did a show about this issue. Had a native american activist and a Sierra club member on to talk about it.

Basicly its all foo-foo BS. One woman said to me, "Don't think about the mountain as a mountain. Think about the mountain in your heart."

They know no science supports their claims, so they try and discuss the "spiritual plane of existence" And of course the court couldnt rule on that.

/White Man's Guilt is so 80's
2006-01-13 09:47:02 AM  
Hint: you're already drinking wastewater if you drink either tap water or filtered tapwater.

It isn't like anyone's creating new water, so regardless of what you drink somebody or something pissed it out at some point in the past. From Detroit city water to some Norwegian glacier-spring-whatever bottled water. It's all been consumed and pissed out, over and over, for millions of years.

/as long as it's clean now, what's the difference?
2006-01-13 09:48:15 AM  

As opposed to last year...

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2006-01-13 09:49:35 AM  
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2006-01-13 09:50:03 AM  
im at 5000 feet and these mornings are suck with our wopping 10% humidity

/30% precip chance on sunday, but even i doubt that
2006-01-13 09:50:23 AM  
Just out of curiosity, is there any land or mountain or lake, etc, that isn't "sacred" to one group or another? This argument seems to come up very often, and it makes me wonder...
2006-01-13 10:02:33 AM  
jshine: Just out of curiosity, is there any land or mountain or lake, etc, that isn't "sacred" to one group or another?

New Jersey.
2006-01-13 10:18:04 AM  
Outlaw2097: im at 5000 feet and these mornings are suck with our wopping 10% humidity

Holy shiat! Another Prescott Farker!
And yes, it has been unbeleivably dry here. Normally I would be scraping frost every morning this time of year, but this year there's been nothing. I'm starting to get spontaneous nosebleeds.
2006-01-13 10:26:28 AM  
I used to work at a sewer district in the bay area, reclaimed water is just short of drinking water quality and is above the quality of water the wastewater plant puts out as treated effluent. I guess the only problem is that they can't quite get all the salt out of it from urine. From my experience reclaimed water will make plants thrive, so in some respect it could be good for the mountain. I guess I understand why the indians are mad about it getting dumped on the mountain, but I'm wondering if they couldn't pick a better battle to fight.
2006-01-13 10:26:42 AM  
I am a former flagstaff farker I gotta say I'm AGAINST seeing reclaimed water used on the mountain. Anyone remeber what happend when RECLAIMED water was dumped into oak creek canyon? yeah tons of people got sick (myself included). Really sick. i felt like iw as going to die. So that snow melts and runs right back into the creek and bam suddenly you have the same thing happen again. This is a dumb idea...dont fark with nature. We are in a natural cycle and frankly Flagstaff is f'in awesome this time of year with no snow...i like the cold and not wet :D

Dont piss on the mountain!!!
2006-01-13 10:29:52 AM  
I don't see any problem, because, as we all know, Building things on Sacred Indian Graveyards never has ANY adverse consequences...
2006-01-13 10:45:32 AM  
Why did I thought of that Bandini Mountain fertilizer commercial where this guy was skiing down a pile of manure?

2006-01-13 10:51:40 AM  
JesseL: Holy shiat! Another Prescott Farker!

Small world.

2006-01-13 10:52:54 AM  
Father of the teenage girl comes home and smacks his daughter's boyfriend upside the head because his name is written in piss in the snow.

He recognized his daughters handwriting.
2006-01-13 10:56:25 AM  
I went to high school in Pinetop, spent most of my winters skiing up at Sunrise. Never knew they used reclaimed water to make snow, wouldn't have cared if they did. It's not like they're just pumping piss onto the mountain.

/agree that most of the indians up there couldn't care less.
//reverse slashy
2006-01-13 10:57:02 AM  
I am sure they wouldn't have a problem putting a casino on sacred land.
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