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2005-12-01 6:05:12 PM  
uh...that's not asinine at all. i thought it was widely understood that high school papers, funded by the school, have no first amendement rights. their content is decided by administrators.
 
2005-12-01 6:07:33 PM  
Minors?...feh. Seconds stotan.
 
2005-12-01 6:12:33 PM  
Uh, yeah, they're kids, in a public high school.

They're NOT adults in a public forum. Since when did you think that kids had those kinds of rights?
 
2005-12-01 6:16:23 PM  
Kids don't havee rights and nor do they deserve them. No good punks.
 
2005-12-01 6:17:27 PM  
i thought it was widely understood that high school papers, funded by the school, have no first amendement rights.

Sadly.
 
2005-12-01 6:19:44 PM  
greenlight? how is this news? it happens every day in every high school in america.
 
2005-12-01 6:21:12 PM  
The high schoolers may not have had rights but it was still assinine to censor an article on birth control. If anything, more people need to be aware (and use) birth control.
 
2005-12-01 6:23:24 PM  
Greenlight? The hell?

Anyway, while I agree that the school is being a jackass here, they have the right to say no to articles put in their publication, student-run or not.

However, if they really felt like they didn't want the story to be included they should have handled it before getting it printed and then seizing it from students. It not only makes them look like even bigger jackasses, but brings a lot more attention to both the school and the article than had they just let it slide. Wastes a bunch of money and paper as well.
 
2005-12-01 6:24:33 PM  
Get that newspaper off my lawn!

/You'd think it was a free country or something.
 
2005-12-01 6:27:14 PM  
I think the issue here is that they censored the stories after publication.

Still probably within their rights, however.
 
2005-12-01 6:29:10 PM  
I think the administrators may discover what it is like to wash egg off their house. Being minors, stuff they do before they are 18 doesn't go on their adult record.

/Hopes administrators houses DO get egged.
//Just because they can censor the paper, doesn't mean it is right.
 
2005-12-01 6:29:58 PM  
How can high school kids even begin to assume they have rights. They have a few..but not many. Everyone knows age 18 is the granting of full rights to kids. Debating in class is one thing, publishing whatever they wish (regardless of topic) is going to be controlled by adults.

DUHH!
 
2005-12-01 6:32:46 PM  
stotan: uh...that's not asinine at all. i thought it was widely understood that high school papers, funded by the school, have no first amendement rights. their content is decided by administrators.

Why don't they? Shouldn't students be learning about their rights? We tell kids that their property is subject to search and seizure while on school grounds, we tell them they don't have a right to wear the clothes that they would like, and we tell them that they don't have a right to free speech.

And then we wonder why adults are so willing to give up their own rights without a fight. Example: How many adults say no to a cop who simply asks to search their car, without any probable cause?
 
2005-12-01 6:35:07 PM  
GaryPDX: DUHH!

Unless I'm mistaken, we're not saying that the administrators didn't have the right to but rather that they should not have censored the article. Personally, I believe that censorship is not kosher in any case.
 
2005-12-01 6:35:54 PM  
GaryPDX: How can high school kids even begin to assume they have rights.

Because they're kids and they assume they can do anything until they're beaten down by grumpy old geezers like you. ;P
 
2005-12-01 6:38:55 PM  
in other news teen pregnancy continues to be a problem in America.
 
2005-12-01 6:39:26 PM  
Actually, high schoolers have first amendment rights, but the schools have more latitude in censoring certain topics related to sexuality, illegal substances, material "obscene to minors" and some other similar categories. From what I can gather from the article, I doubt that the offending articles are within the categories that allow the HS Administration to censor. Too bad this didn't happen near where I live. I'd've taken their civil rights case on full contingency.

/can't stand Nazi-like school administrators
 
2005-12-01 6:42:55 PM  
2005-12-01 06:35:07 PM loveblondieo [TotalFark]

GaryPDX: DUHH!

Unless I'm mistaken, we're not saying that the administrators didn't have the right to but rather that they should not have censored the article. Personally, I believe that censorship is not kosher in any case.


I have a 16 year old son who is quite vocal and speaks his mind any time it activates, as it should be, which is alot..lol. However, he also understands that there are limitations until he's 18. Mainly, His mother and I are responsible for his actions. So he gracefully learns and awaits that bday. It's rather cool actually.

The point is..kids can learn and do Free Speech but not fully until a certain age. Alot of priviledges are granted at age 18..the power of entering into a contract for example.
 
2005-12-01 6:43:20 PM  
In other news: How can students have any pudding if they don't eat their meat?
 
2005-12-01 6:44:11 PM  
Quick1: Why don't they? Shouldn't students be learning about their rights?


The students are learning that they have the right to publish their own damn newspaper using their own self-bought supplies/paper/printers/etc. instead of the school's and then they can say whatever they want.

Crappy as some people think this is, this is hardly considered "censorship." When the government comes knocking on your door and forcing you to stop printing your own underground newspapers with your own stuff because they don't like what you're saying, that's censorship. This case is just a ride in a WHAAAAAAAAAMBULANCE.
 
2005-12-01 6:44:16 PM  
Nothing new to see here, move along.

Seriously, I had an article censored in my school newspaper about how the football team was hazing students. It likely saved me from a beating, but it pissed me off at the time.

Kids seem to think that "the man" is keeping them down. Especially with things like this. They don't, however, realize that journalist get edited all the time.
 
2005-12-01 6:49:11 PM  
2005-12-01 06:44:16 PM stoonrules [TotalFark]

Nothing new to see here, move along.


On a greenlight?...buuuuhahahahahahaha.
 
2005-12-01 6:54:45 PM  
What would be better, is if the kids in these schools organized, and began having loud discussions on these topics in the lunchroom, in the hallways and at recess.

What are the deans and teachers going to do then? Tell them they can't talk about it amongst themselves?
 
2005-12-01 6:57:13 PM  
stoonrules: They don't, however, realize that journalist get edited all the time.

generally speaking though, editors don't go into peoples homes and stores and such and confiscate the papers before anyone can read them.

I am in complete agreement that this is asinine.
Guess what parents. Your kids may be having sex. That article could have meant the difference between your child being safe and your child having to endure 9 months of pregnancy (or the decision to get an abortion) and 18 months of child raising, or, just as bad, an std.
You keep kids in the dark, bad things are going to happen. Ignorance may be bliss, but it is never preferable.
 
2005-12-01 6:59:10 PM  
Freedom of the press is defined by the owner of the medium.
 
2005-12-01 7:05:20 PM  
who, I say, who possibly could rush in and right this high school injustice!?!?!?!??!??!?!?!

[image from filmflexmovies.com too old to be available]
 
2005-12-01 7:12:26 PM  
GaryPDX: "So he gracefully learns and awaits that bday."

He must be the only 16 year-old of which that is true.
 
2005-12-01 7:19:18 PM  
2005-12-01 07:12:26 PM ArbitraryConstant [TotalFark]

GaryPDX: "So he gracefully learns and awaits that bday."

He must be the only 16 year-old of which that is true.


Thanks. I will say it means parents..well actually being one. As a general rule.
 
2005-12-01 7:29:40 PM  
In response to the birth control article, several local boys gave this cryptic comment: "Giddy up oom poppa oom poppa mow mow!"
 
2005-12-01 7:55:18 PM  
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2005-12-01 8:09:37 PM  
SilentStrider: That article could have meant the difference between your child being safe and your child having to endure 9 months of pregnancy (or the decision to get an abortion) and 18 months of child raising


18 *months* of child raising? Damn. Does the baby just raise itself after that?
 
2005-12-01 8:20:28 PM  
I remember we had to submit the proofs to the pricipal to go over before our high school paper could be printed. Quite often I would spend a good long while in her office going over changes that would have to be made to my articles.

Of course I was a ass and intentionally put in shiat I knew woulldnt fly just to see what I could get away with.
 
2005-12-01 8:29:09 PM  
They should take the story, go run in on a copy maching 1500 times and hand it out off property to students as they leave school.

School has the right to do it, but shouldn't have.
 
2005-12-01 8:47:24 PM  
These kids are learning a life lesson. I can't go to work and talk about whatever I want. I mean, I could, but sexual harassment gets you fired these days.
 
2005-12-01 9:00:18 PM  
Allright, hormonal-ragers of Fighting Ingnorami High, go out there and carry an unwanted one to term, for the team!
 
2005-12-01 9:01:46 PM  
Doesn't this school have a health class where they can learn about all the methods of birth control that the school board has seen fit to teach? Sheesh. Tell the little brats to go to health class, read the approved materials, and then never talk about it or debate it in the school again.

Meanwhile, as far as the tattoo goes, if the girl wasn't going to show the tattoo to her parents, it's probably safe to say she wasn't going to show the newspaper to her parents either. She probably wouldn't show them her LiveJournal containing pictures of her tattoo, or her IM printouts from friends congratulating her on the tattoo either.
 
2005-12-01 9:12:16 PM  
18 *months* of child raising? Damn. Does the baby just raise itself after that?

No, the TV does.
 
2005-12-01 9:19:42 PM  
This article isn't worth the time it took to greenlight. :(
 
2005-12-01 9:22:43 PM  
Is this a repeat, or did the same exact thing happen at a second highschool in the space of a week?
 
2005-12-01 9:23:55 PM  
Censorship is not a disease. It is a symptom.
 
2005-12-01 9:24:09 PM  
stotan: uh...that's not asinine at all. i thought it was widely understood that high school papers, funded by the school, have no first amendement rights. their content is decided by administrators.

Fixed that for ya.

Get it through your heads kiddies. You have no rights.

Get 'em used to the idea when they're young, that way when they're taken away as adults they'll understand. "It's for your own good."

sig heil.
 
2005-12-01 9:25:18 PM  
Alright, here's my deal: would it not be better for the cats running the high school to emulate the "real world" for which they hope to prepare those children?

High school isn't a democracy, but why not? Why not show the benefits of such a system by providing a microcosm of it in action?

High school doesn't allow free speech, but why? Is the contrast between totalitarian rule and the free society outside the school walls an asset in motivating kids to graduate and leave?
 
2005-12-01 9:25:21 PM  
Heh, I was actually one of the editor's for my school's paper, and we tried pushing it as far as possible. For awhile it was cool, did a lot of pretty risque jokes and actually had a nipslip, but it wasn't until near the end of my 3 year run that we got a complaint. So we decided to make even more offensive jokes/pictures but put black bars over it, even though it was obvious what was said or happening.

/didn't rtfa
//my articles ranged from the uses of an egg, Willem Dafoe, an Avril Lavigne parody, and talking at the urinal. I got plenty more too.
 
2005-12-01 9:26:41 PM  
Children's newspapers aren't the place to teach our young people the evil of premarital sex. This is just another way that the devil is creeping slowly, but surely, into our hedonistic and permiscuous culture. Goodness, as we know it, is shriveling up and dying because of this society's preoccupation with a salicious sex-for-all. The school should be commended.
 
2005-12-01 9:27:31 PM  
There are two Supreme Court decisions on this topic. They say exactly opposite things. Basically that means it's up to the school district to decide which way they want to go.
 
2005-12-01 9:27:49 PM  

uh...that's not asinine at all. i thought it was widely understood that high school papers, funded by the school, have no first amendement rights. their content is decided by administrators.


EXACTLY right. It's a school newspaper, run on (likely) school presses paid for by the school district, typed and laid out on the district's computers. The kids do NOT have first amendment rights.

I was the editor of my high school newspaper and the same thing happened to me. And you know what? They were perfectly within their rights to do it.
 
2005-12-01 9:28:19 PM  
They probably supported the "Plan B" that's being held back for religious reasons (Lemon Test, anyone?) by the FDA.

After closer inspection, hahahahaha: The other story detailed success rates for various types of birth control and where it is available.

Not in America, you minor COMMIES!

Welcome to our America.
 
2005-12-01 9:28:19 PM  
stotan: uh...that's not asinine at all. i thought it was widely understood that high school papers, funded by the school, have no first amendement rights. their content is decided by administrators.


That's not exactly true. It's still a muddled issue, but the upshot of the Supreme Court decisions has been that the burden of proof is on the school to demonstrate that the article in question is disruptive. From the Student Press Law Center: (pops)

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A: Hazelwood School District v. Kuhlmeier, the 1988 U.S. Supreme Court decision, gave public high school officials greater authority to censor some school-sponsored student publications if they chose to do so. But the ruling doesn't apply to publications that have been opened as "public forums for student expression." It also requires school officials to demonstrate some reasonable educational justification before they can censor anything. In addition, some states (currently Arkansas, California, Colorado, Iowa, Kansas and Massachusetts) have passed laws that give students much stronger free expression protection than Hazelwood. Other states are considering such laws.
=========
 
2005-12-01 9:30:04 PM  
Fish_Bulb : This case is just a ride in a WHAAAAAAAAAMBULANCE.

[image from home.graffiti.net too old to be available]

/stolen from an edgeemu thread
 
2005-12-01 9:32:21 PM  
Yet another reason I'm happy to be a Canadian. Our high schools actually live in the real world, where the average age of loosing the virginity is 17. What with our sexual health counsellors, guidance counsellors and lots of free condoms, it's no wonder my province has nearly the lowest teenage STD and pregnancy rates. Heaven forbid our children know the truth and have an open dialogue with many people who can help and guide them.
 
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