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2005-08-11 8:41:28 PM  
There are over 5000 new breeds of cockroach.
 
2005-08-11 8:51:52 PM  
Maybe it will be a new source for an evolutionary explosion. Maybe we'll live to meet T-Rex's ugly big brother.
 
2005-08-11 8:52:56 PM  
Wheres the Simpsons 3 headed fish?
 
2005-08-11 11:31:47 PM  
it will be many hundreds of millennia before humans could move safely back

This might be a good place to get into speculative real estate.
 
2005-08-11 11:36:41 PM  
The sound of a thousand creationists crying out in unison and then silence....
 
2005-08-11 11:36:46 PM  
Just ignore the Deathclaws.
 
2005-08-11 11:37:18 PM  
*ahem....warms up singing voice*
Home...home on the range
Where the deeeer and three-headed antelope play
 
2005-08-11 11:38:20 PM  
maybe we'll see more motorcycle road trips documented through it.
 
2005-08-11 11:38:39 PM  
The sound of a thousand creationists crying out in unison and then silence....

*Sigh* It sure doesn't take long for you people to come out of the woodwork.
 
2005-08-11 11:39:09 PM  
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Unavailable for comment.

/thanks imageshack
 
2005-08-11 11:39:54 PM  
All motorcycle road trips are faked.
 
2005-08-11 11:40:52 PM  
Are they kidding? Has any of those people just visited the atomic bomb test site in the US? Even the cactuses are mutated.
 
2005-08-11 11:41:31 PM  
"The meek shall inherit the earth."
 
2005-08-11 11:41:51 PM  
"...'Its evolution on steroids. There are a lot of deleterious mutations in species but these seem to be very quickly weeded out,' Morris explains. Many young fish living in the reactors cooling ponds are deformed, but adults tend to be healthy, implying that those harmed by radiation die young..."


we need to evolve a smarter human.
 
2005-08-11 11:44:06 PM  
S.T.A.L.K.E.R. unavailable for comment.

/www.stalker-game.com
//looks freeking sweeet
 
2005-08-11 11:45:17 PM  
Yeah, Deathclaws own3

I bet teh bladez and teh skulz are settin up camp now.

Can't wait for my journey to "The Glow"... W00t!

/still play
//likes punching folks in teh crotch
///00f!
 
2005-08-11 11:45:31 PM  
Finally, a place where Godzilla and Mothra can play in their natural habitat.
 
2005-08-11 11:49:30 PM  
Xenomech: The sound of a thousand creationists crying out in unison and then silence....
*Sigh* It sure doesn't take long for you people to come out of the woodwork.


Just commenting on how extreme creationists deny even micro-evolution, and from the article:
"It's evolution on steroids. There are a lot of deleterious mutations in species but these seem to be very quickly weeded out," Morris explains.

Note the "thousand" instead of "all" in relation to creationists. I'm one myself, but not uptight and unyeilding like some I know in my church.
 
2005-08-11 11:52:26 PM  
Snarfangel: Finally, a place where Godzilla and Mothra can play in their natural habitat.

[image from sixtiescity.com too old to be available]
Visit Chernobyl

 
2005-08-11 11:53:08 PM  
That place is Spooky.
Yuk

Like I'd pay to go there
 
2005-08-11 11:54:01 PM  
Nodbody: All motorcycle road trips are faked.

TheRealShadowspawn: maybe we'll see more motorcycle road trips documented through it.

That's funny you guys say that. I was going to mention this pretty neat ride through Chernobyl, but I guess everyone must know about it already. Or I missed some pop-culture reference. Probably the latter. Pops anyway.
 
2005-08-11 11:54:19 PM  
[image from img356.imageshack.us too old to be available]

Silly? Yes. Idiotic? Yes.
 
2005-08-11 11:55:32 PM  
Brilliantly illustrated, mychihuahuas.
 
2005-08-11 11:55:49 PM  
Scruffinator
...STALKER

It's based on a Russian movie of the same name, which was a really close foreshadowing of Chernobyl. Creepy movie, but very cool. A little slow by today's standards, but I enjoyed it very much (in the original Russian).

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0079944/ (pops)
 
2005-08-11 11:56:01 PM  
That's not Mothra, it's King Ghidorah. Ignoramuses!
 
2005-08-11 11:57:35 PM  
sykottik
There are over 5000 new breeds of cockroach.
 
I bow down to your excellence
 
2005-08-11 11:59:45 PM  
batwood, my only excuse is that it's been a couple of decades since I've seen any Godzilla movies.

Still, I think mychihuahuas had a picture close enough to be funny.
 
2005-08-12 12:01:08 AM  
"Researchers who have surveyed the land around the old nuclear power plant in present-day Ukraine say that biodiversity is actually higher than before the disaster."

I guess that's punctuated equilibrium in action. That's evolution 101.

Now they just need a video of all the new mutant species dancing to the "Neutron Dance."

/the headline's tag should have been OBVIOUS
 
2005-08-12 12:08:40 AM  
yea i learned about it when it first came out, it came screaming accross motorcycle/alt.motorcycle boards.

i thought it was real, then a whole debate popped up about it, and it wasn't exactly squashed. i think the girl said that she got most of the pictures from there but not while on a bike.

blamed it on translations, so still not sure.
 
2005-08-12 12:09:50 AM  
Does this mean that foxes with 2 or more floofy tails will be a reality instead of just a product of the Japanese imagination? :-)
 
2005-08-12 12:09:54 AM  
CShake: The sound of a thousand creationists crying out in unison and then silence....

You beat me to a funny comment, and mine wouldn't have been funny...
 
2005-08-12 12:09:58 AM  
Its evolution on steroids.

Really, are you sure it's not Intelligent Design on steroids... because you know... evolution is just one 'theory'...

Note to Kansas Board of Ed.: rev up the stake for this witch!!!

/Forever touched by his noodly appendage.
 
2005-08-12 12:11:40 AM  
nbrfwhoooo, yes you are refering to the fake motorcycle ride.

Here is one of the pages that calls bullshiat on elana's motorcycle ride through the radioactive zone

http://lists.laplaza.org/pipermail/anyone/2004-May/004146.html
 
2005-08-12 12:17:04 AM  
rereading the quote:

Its evolution on steroids.

evolution + steroids = Darwin + Canseco...

...Photoshop anyone???!!!???
 
2005-08-12 12:17:56 AM  
i was among those first touched by elena-hotties tale.

it's been pretty thoroughly debunked (and it changed from time to time on the website).

disappointing. it was a great example of lying-by-omission-and-misdirection.
 
2005-08-12 12:19:30 AM  
"Some 40 different radioactive elements, including strontium-90 and decay products of uranium and plutonium, were released into the exclusion zone, and it will be many hundreds of millennia before humans could move safely back, Dolin says.Humans spending long periods of time there would suffer a build-up of radiation that would shorten lives and raise newborn mortality. It would be a disaster for humans, Morris says."

Ummmm......Last I heard the reactor was still burning and could still go China syndrome (Or would that be Chile syndrome?) Anyhoo, I wouldnt go near there on any pretex. One of the decay products of plutonium is cesium. Nope,nope nope not gonna happen. That is as toxic as it gets, folk.
 
2005-08-12 12:20:35 AM  
yea well, here's her page
http://www.elenafilatova.com/

the thing about bringing a motorcycle helmet with her is kinda interesting way to attack it.

if you look at all the pictures, she must've also brought her motorcycle on the tour bus as well.

they are both authros, she's even published. who are you going to believe?
 
2005-08-12 12:20:48 AM  
Cloudchaser_the_red_wolf_furry

Does this mean that foxes with 2 or more floofy tails will be a reality instead of just a product of the Japanese imagination? :-)

Uhh...

Around 40 of these [species], including some species of bear and wolf, were not seen there before the accident.

New species of wolf?

yeah, I think so, CTRWF.
 
2005-08-12 12:21:21 AM  
authors.
 
2005-08-12 12:22:56 AM  
TheRealShadowspawn here is someone else who discredits her...

I've been biting my tongue about this one for a month now as I prepare my own website on the subject..

On April 27, 2004 (18th anniversary + 1 day of the Chernobyl disaster) I did a tour of Chernobyl, the nuclear power station and the ghost town Pripyat. As part of this, I had lengthy discussions with my tour guide about Elena's website, and she told me a few things about it.

1) Her father is NOT a scientist. She does NOT have an 'unlimited access' pass to Chernobyl
2) She has never been on a motorcycle inside Chernobyl. If you notice, the pictures including her bike stop when she gets to the access control point. They did NOT let her in.
3) While she HAS been to Chernobyl, she did exactly the same tour I did, and she went with her husband.
4) In her original website, she mentioned she never goes inside buildings without a girl who lives in Chernobyl, who "is familiar in the ways of the atom and has good taste in shoes" and makes her living showing people around. This person's name is Rimma Kiselitsa. She works for the group Chernobylinterinform (http://www.chernobyl.info) - and was my tour guide.

Yes, I had the same tour guide in Chernobyl that Elena had.

But there's more. I'll give an example - one of the pictures on her original site was inside a kindergarden. It's a picture of a baby's crib, with a photo of Lenin, a child's gas mask, and some toys. These photos were 'staged' by Elena's husband. He found the photo of Lenin elsewhere, put it in the cott and placed a gas mask alongside then took a photo of it.

This annoyed Rimma immensely. She was not impressed from start to finish about Elena and her husband, as they seemed to be trying to take photos for shock value - not how the place really is. I had no intention of doing such things (in fact, I saw the very cott they took the picture of I mentioned above, still in the same state that they left it in), and Rimma picked up on this. She took me to MANY places she didn't even tell Elena about. As part of my day's tour, I took over 400 photographs. I watched Rimma remove the gas mask and photograph of Lenin, and put them back in their original homes.

The reason I was told all of this was because Rimma is very annoyed about the whole affair - she's getting phone calls from movie producers wanting to make movies about this "heroic" girl. She's getting people demanding the same unlimited access pass that Elena supposedly has. These do not exist, and she's sick of explaining it to people. When I mentioned I too wished to create a website, she started to talk about it all. Rimma has been featured in Maxim magazine, a number of other magazines and newspapers, and indeed the day I did the tour she told me if I got back to my hotel in Kiev on time to turn on Channel 1 at 7:30pm - she was hosting a documentry on Chernobyl (which looked interesting, but I'm an Australian - I don't speak Ukrainian. I couldn't understand a word).

As part of this, I have offered for her to proof read my website before it goes live, to make sure I have all the facts right. In return, Rimma has said that I may use an "Endorsed by Chernobylinterinform" logo on the page.

So yes, Elena's website is fake, and much of the things she discusses are complete, utter, 100% bullshiat.. such as you have to stand in the middle of the road. Rimma and I strolled through parks, across fields, around gardens, everywhere. At the end of it, the machine said I had as much radioactivity as when I arrived. Bugger all. This is Rimma's job, this is her life, and she's been doing it for 10 years. She KNOWS what she's talking about, and is truly one of the nicest people I've ever met.

I'll just finish by giving a link to a panoramic photo I took on a rooftop in the centre of Pripyat - it also shows Rimma in it standing just below me (in fact, due to the way the photos were stitched together she's actually shown twice).

http://www.web-axis.net/~pulse/chernobyl/prypyat-panoramic.jpg (4mb - 13,112 x 952 resolution)

Details of the tour that I AND Elena did can be found at http://www.ukrcam.com/tour/tour_3.html - where you can also book your own tours if you're interested. By the way, it's not exactly a tour group - it was myself, my driver (in the fearsome Soviet Lada car) and Rimma. That's it. It's a private tour, not exactly a Greyhound tour of Chernobyl..

It was quite simply the most AMAZING experience I've ever had.

Tony Brown (pulse .. at .. web-axis.net)

*modified to add my name for verification.
 
2005-08-12 12:26:05 AM  
Maybe the reason more species are being found there, and thriving, is because there are fewer humans around to fark with them and thin out the populations? Just a thought.
 
2005-08-12 12:28:43 AM  
batwood: That's not Mothra, it's King Ghidorah. Ignoramuses!

Oops, sorry. That's what happens when you blatantly trust Google. Now I'll go back and do a thorough search.
 
2005-08-12 12:29:14 AM  
CShake
Just commenting on how extreme creationists deny even micro-evolution, ...

Note the "thousand" instead of "all" in relation to creationists. I'm one myself, but not uptight and unyeilding like some I know in my church.


Are you a creationist or a theistic evolutionist? A theistic evolutionist believes in creation and accepts evolution. A creationist doesn't accept evolution. Evolution proves neither the existence of your god(s) nor the nonexistence of all god(s).

Further, where do you cut off microevolution from macroevolution? Macroevolution is just lots of microevolution.
 
2005-08-12 12:33:11 AM  
Here's another of Elena's web sites:

Kid of Speed

Make your own decisions.
 
2005-08-12 12:33:14 AM  
Have seen the pics of today, still are heartbreaking. The counter reads... and we can't go intside... It's all still dead.
 
2005-08-12 12:34:39 AM  
Trail Mix: Maybe the reason more species are being found there, and thriving, is because there are fewer humans around to fark with them and thin out the populations? Just a thought.

A good thought at that... the mutations are rapid, due to the radiation... without humans to interfere with creatures in a "natural environment", the mutations can prove success/non-success in a 'vacuum' unaltered by human intervention...

...it might even produce radiation resistant strains, changing the neo-proverb of 'Twinkies and Roaches' surviving... to 'Twinkies, Roaches, Ferns, other Plants, and Coyotes' surviving a man-made nuclear holocaust/rapture...

...I for one welcome our Coyote Overlords...

/being totally seriously, she's right
 
2005-08-12 12:34:53 AM  
yea THAT was what made me doubt it. the only thing i don't get is she's got tons of pictures, it looks like she goes lots of places if you read the rest. why fake any of them?

there was one more with her response to all this somewhere that threw me for a loop, it was just simple mistranslation.
 
2005-08-12 12:38:43 AM  
the kid of speed is a mirror if you read it. look at her main site, she does allot of traveling. that's why i don't get the "it's a lie" part, but i do think she was there to ride, and got pictures from a tour in there, and everyone got the wrong idea.

it was a really newb site setup and it would change a bit with wording as it was translated. i just dunno why someone would put up that much effort to lie about just one thing on purpose, compared to the rest of the pics and stories she has.
 
2005-08-12 12:38:58 AM  
Snarfangel and batwood,
My humble apologies once again. Is this one of Mothra and Godzilla?
[image from movies.monstrous.com too old to be available]
"There are a lot of deleterious mutations in species but these seem to be very quickly weeded out...".

 
2005-08-12 12:41:41 AM  
where are the twins, mychihuahuas?
 
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