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2005-07-21 11:36:35 AM  
Enough of this baseball v cricket crap.

Let's talk about the fact that this is quite clearly a bowlers wicket. Suddenly, as bad as it looked, Ponting's choice to bat first may have paid off... Imagine forcing England back in to bat because they couldn't even make 190? 100? 50?
2005-07-21 11:36:44 AM  

I can just hear the sarcasm dripping ;)
2005-07-21 11:38:20 AM  
My sister and I used to chant that...

Hahah, used to do that all the time when watching a particularly gripping one-dayer. And yes, sometimes it does work!
2005-07-21 11:39:21 AM  

You're right. It took me a while after I moved to Canada for college to get used to the NFL lingo, sounded like absolute jibberish when I first started watching the games. Some things still don't make sense to me, but I've picked up enough to get by.

I believe the problem lies with the fact that a lot of people who don't know or understand cricket simply dismiss it as "too long" or "boring" without understanding the intricacies of the sport. I could've gone the same route with American Football, but I chose to try to understand what all the fuss was about.

Nothing says we can't learn to appreciate and love many different sports
2005-07-21 11:39:36 AM  
Oh. My. God. I went to do some work, and it's gone from 14/2 to 25/5. McGrath 10-5-11-5. Holy shiat.
2005-07-21 11:41:22 AM  

No sarcasm at all. I knew there were brackets involved somewhere, so I took what you said and played around with it. Worked. Woohoo
2005-07-21 11:42:35 AM  
McGrath is 5 wickets for 11 runs off 10 overs. Lovely work...
2005-07-21 11:42:47 AM  

I might be wrong, but Lord's has not been a bowler's wicket in recent times, has it?
Or can I now blame Pakistan's capitulation in the 99 final on the bowler's wicket? Please say yes
2005-07-21 11:44:48 AM  

Ah sorry dude, I'm reading between too many lines today :)

You got the bold working - wicked stuff. If you use "i" instead of "b", it'll italicise the text, which can be useful for quoting people.
2005-07-21 11:45:13 AM  

I think you are right. I have never put the effort into learning cricket, because 1. its not ever on tv here and 2. it takes top damn long. I think NFL games at 3.5 hours are too long so Im not going to put up with cricket.

I have watched enough Aussie Rules Football to follow it (the early days of ESPN were great). When curling is on TV I watch it. I will give any sport a chance if it promises to finish up in a reasonable amount of time. :)
2005-07-21 11:46:03 AM  
It's alright - we've got a South African & a Welshman in now - go England, this is our chance...
2005-07-21 11:46:38 AM  
Lords is 10 minutes down the road from where I am now. I really should have gotten some tickets.

Does anyone know of any one-dayers coming up soon?
2005-07-21 11:48:37 AM  
uzzmaan: I think Lord's has always been a bit of a bowler friendly wicket. Swing and some movement off the pitch because of the ground sloping weirdly. But this is extraordinary, like that incredibly disappointing 1999 final...can't believe I canceled a family vacation to watch that match. Oh well, at least Australia tied the real final, against South Africa.

/don't remind me what happened to my team in the 2003 final.
2005-07-21 11:50:50 AM  

Ah sorry dude, I'm reading between too many lines today :)

We've all been guilty of that at times.

And look, I am now HTML proficient. Or well, as much as I'll ever need to be.

Tjos Weel

The fact that the only channel on cable that SOMETIMES shows cricket highlights is FoxSportsWorld means that a lot of people don't have ccess to the sport.

And yes, I've been guilty of watching curling once in a while too. My rule is, sport is sport, enjoy it. Nothing beats humans going into competition with each other
2005-07-21 11:54:03 AM  

Nothing beats humans going into competition with each other

Says you! Co-operation beats competition!
2005-07-21 11:54:54 AM  

There are three matches that still stand out for me from the 99 world cup. Pak beat Aus by 10 runs in the prelims, Pak continuing their wonderful world cup record against India, and the semi-final between Aus and SA. Unbelievable.

Less said about the final, the better.

As for 2003, I was watching with a bunch of Indians, and halfway through, starting worrying about when I'd be kicked out
2005-07-21 11:55:51 AM  
Splendid. Just listen to those thighs. And now it's the North East's turn with the Samba.

/It's the Chesterfield!
2005-07-21 11:56:14 AM  

Says you! Co-operation beats competition!

In the field of sport is what I meant. Nowhere else
2005-07-21 11:58:33 AM  
Twas a joke uzzmaan I was entering into competition with you. I thought you might enjoy it!
2005-07-21 12:00:44 PM  

Does anyone know of any one-dayers coming up soon?

If you're asking about ODIs in England, I think you're going to have to wait till May next year. Which is when Sri Lanka visits
2005-07-21 12:01:29 PM  
218 comments and only 1 picture of bruce campbell?

/sad day at fark
2005-07-21 12:08:10 PM  
If you're asking about ODIs in England, I think you're going to have to wait till May next year.

That's unfortunate, I might not be in England by then. Ah wells...
2005-07-21 12:12:26 PM  
uzzmaan: From what I understand (and this is one area where I am mostly talking through my hat) Lords has, as was said by thejoyofpi, mostly been a bowlers pitch. The steep sideways slope plays into that a lot, and given the focus on the ground, which leads to imaculate care being taken of it, the advantage does go to the fielding side.

That said, it's what you make of it. The good teams can take what would be called a batsmans pitch and turn it against their oposition, so it's all really up in the air. The good caretaking also means slow touches by the batsman can still reach the boundry.

And leperboy69 you've left it too late this summer. Did you notice the extremely high number of one-dayers before this? The Natwest series of one-dayers, Day-Nighters, Twenty20's... The limited overs games seemed endless (ironic!). So yes, you'll have to wait till next year, or go out and support some of the local teams.
2005-07-21 12:15:19 PM  
Well, Jones has made 20, which is twice as much as his nearest teammate.

And as one of the comentators just said, we haven't seen the womanising fashion victim Warne take up the ball yet.
2005-07-21 12:15:41 PM  

I had forgotten about the slope at Lord's.

As for this match, let's see what England's latest prodigy Mr. Pietersen can do at the highest level
2005-07-21 12:19:38 PM  
He dropped the ball...?
2005-07-21 12:20:58 PM  
read the headline 3 times, confused I clicked on the linked and saw them talking about some small insect. Then I remembered... ahh the BBC.... crazy british...

/Rugby is crazy too, but I've played that
2005-07-21 12:21:37 PM  

Aaargh! I should have been paying attention. My fault for smoking weed non-stop for the past few months.

Well, not quite, but almost.

we haven't seen the womanising fashion victim Warne take up the ball yet.

2005-07-21 12:26:30 PM  
Well, Lee's in now, but no more wickets yet.

The coverage on the TV is talking about how many wickets have fallen at Lords on one day of the Ashes... The top is 18, way back in 1859 or something, but the next is 15, also in the late 1800's. We're at that total now, and there's still a lot of play to come.

They also seem to be focusing on the ball a lot.. polishing it and so forth. There's probably a lot of jokes to be made about it, but they've all been done before.
2005-07-21 12:28:39 PM  
The one commentator I miss is Henry Blofeld. Especially back when he was doing matches from Sharjah. Kept us all entertained.

/Yes, that was out of the blue
2005-07-21 12:30:57 PM  
In fact, a lot more runs. Time to get the long-haired galoot outta there and bring in the blonde-haired galah, I think.

We don't want the middle order actually pulling a rabbit out of the hat and catching up now.
2005-07-21 12:32:17 PM  
Is anyone else finding those big red nPower logos on the field annoying?
2005-07-21 12:34:13 PM  
I'm at werk, so no TV for me.

England are starting to get some runs on the board now. Will Warney be on soon?
2005-07-21 12:34:17 PM  
I agree. This partnership has been going on for long enough, time to cut it short.

Gillespie seems to be a finished force. I believe the time has come for the aussies to bring in newer blood. I don't see most of the people in the current team lasting beyond the world cup, and then we'll see if Australia can stay at the top, or if it's going to be a long, slow decline a la West Indies
2005-07-21 12:39:49 PM  
so I know this is opening myself up to ridicule, but does anyone know how to view cricket games in the US ??? I love cricket and miss it terribly since being here... reading the live scorecard or listening to it on the BBC radio over the net isn't quite the same.

Frankly I can't believe a cable company hasn't picked it up (for crying out loud have you seen the crap they play on ESPN2), mostly because I imagine the large indian population in California would tune in.

So I'm in Los Angeles, is it available anywhere here ?
2005-07-21 12:40:55 PM  
I agree uzzmaan. I've actually thought as much for more than a year. Sure, they're winning, but it can't go on forever, and I don't know what the stats are, but I'll bet we have the oldest average age of any of the world teams.

With such a "perfect" team (and I use that semi-sarcasticly) it becomes nearly impossible for any new talent to come through from the state teams. Have we missed someone important because we couldn't stomach the idea of kicking one of the champions out?

Anyway, it is 2:30 in the morning for me, and although I plan on doing nothing more energetic than going to the movies tomorrow, I really should get some sleep. I'll do that right after the next over... or maybe the next... lol
2005-07-21 12:44:24 PM  
So I'm in Los Angeles, is it available anywhere here ?

I'd say your best bet is finding an Australian bar or some such which will probably have the games. There was one in Seattle that I visited when I was there that was showing NRL games, so you'll probably find one in LA.
2005-07-21 12:45:03 PM  
Shane Warne's coming on - bowling to Pietersen. Bet Shane has his number - being his captain at Hampshire and all.
2005-07-21 12:46:24 PM  
Heh...hear the (presumably) Aussies in the crowd calling for Waaarnnneee...Waaarnneeee

Things must have slowed, they're doing their "Who's that in the crowd" shots... Old cricket stars, old PM's.

Speaking of which, I'll bet our PM is cursing being stuck in the English Foriegn Office thanx to the halfhearted terrorist strike on London... I'm sure he'd rather be at Lords, and you just *know* he got a seat set aside for him.

OH THERE HE IS.... Warne takes up the bowling, and appeals for LBW on the first ball... no luck, but nice try Warne.
2005-07-21 12:46:44 PM  

I know Willow.tv is offering a CricketTicket for all remaining cricket matches in the year. Depends on whether you're up to watching cricket on your computer. Of course, you could always hook it up to the TV.
I'm not sure but DirectTV and Dish Network have been known to show some matches, India-Pakistan certainly, World Cup certainly, ICC Champions Trophy also. But non-PPV, I don't think it's going to happen in North America, sadly.


I can never leave a match in the middle. No matter who's playing. And yes, I count sitting through Bangladesh v. Hong Kong couple summers back as one of my greatest achievements.

Let's hope the aussies show the brits where the ashes belong
2005-07-21 12:48:57 PM  
Oh Lee gets him!
Another down!
2005-07-21 12:49:40 PM  
Jones is gone. Caught Gilchrist, bowled Lee. Six for 79.
2005-07-21 12:50:06 PM  
2005-07-21 12:50:30 PM  
Damn cricinfo for being at least 2 minutes behind the live broadcast. You're doing a better job at telling us about wickets falling, ghost_who_walks
2005-07-21 12:51:13 PM  
So Lee takes on caught behind, and we're at 79 at the cost of 6 wickets.

Not much play left today; I think I'll have to stick around uzzmaan :-)
2005-07-21 12:52:32 PM  
No worries uzzmaan I'll do my best for ya :-)
2005-07-21 12:52:34 PM  
If you have DirecTV, check out Willow's CricketTicket. Otherwise, BBC radio takes me back to the old days.

And, uh, 79/6 now. Brett Lee breaks through.

Can someone tell me why there's so much hatred for Warne here? What has he been up to recently? He got banned for drugs two years ago.
2005-07-21 12:53:25 PM  
Ya, that's what the online commentator is saying too, just a couple more overs left in the day. I think Australia can say they're on top, despite the batting problems
2005-07-21 12:54:47 PM  
thejoyofpi, his long suffering wife finally had enough after the most recent phone-sex related scandal and ditched him. Word has it that more than one girl has come forward with sms's on her phone from him, before and after the annoncement of his divorce...

BOWLED ANOTHER...! No, wait...no ball called, just over the line...he almost walked too.
2005-07-21 12:55:27 PM  
Last I read, joyofpi, Warne was accused of yet more harrassment, has been let go by Channel 9 and his wife has left him. I think the main reason people have issues with him is his being constantly in the news for non-cricketing reasons.

Because you really can't fault his cricket, at all.
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