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(Some Guy)   "Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince" discussion thread (spoilers allowed)   ( divider line
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2005-07-21 02:35:01 PM  
Pocus == Portkey.

2005-07-21 02:37:11 PM  
Pocus == Portkey.

no... it doesn't sound very similar... when you say the other words if you slurred your speech it would be very difficult to tell them apart... but pocus and portkey that darn T just makes them way too different... at least in my opinion
2005-07-21 02:40:09 PM  
Yeah, I didn't really mean it anyway. haahaa
2005-07-21 02:46:22 PM  
I'm thinking maybe Voldemort accidentally made harry a horcrux... like he was going to make something else the horcrux for Harry's Mum... but miffed. Would explain the wand AND the mystical link between the two.
2005-07-21 02:46:40 PM  
tedZilla... the prophecy says on it something about the dark lord and a question mark that is then replaced with "Harry Potter"... It does has Voldemort's name on it, and so he could pick it up. In fact, Harry asks the Death Eaters why Voldemort didn't just come grab it himself, and Lucious Malfoys says something to the effect of "He could have, but why show himself when the ministry of magic is so happily ignoring his return." So yes, Voldemort could have picked up the prophecy, he just didn't out of a wish to keep a low profile.
2005-07-21 02:48:18 PM  
Doh, in my skimming, I missed that LincolnLegolas had already made the joke. Dang.
2005-07-21 03:21:25 PM  
Thanks mate!
2005-07-21 04:20:32 PM  
Either must die at the hand of the other for neither can live while the other survives

I don't know, this seems pretty obvious to me. Neither Harry nor Voldemort can get on with their lives/plans while they are both alive.

LV wants to take over the world, but he's gotta deal with that Potter kid first or the DEs won't give him mad props.

Harry wants to get some of that sweet fire-crotch luvin' but he can't while LV's out to ruin his day.

\just my 2 cents
\\loved the fact that Harry and Ginny finally got together
\\\mad that they split it off
\\\\28 yrs old
\\nothing else to say that could excuse my slashiness
2005-07-21 04:30:23 PM  
So who is going to teach Harry occulemency? Dumby is gone and Snape was the teacher. There were no other teachers at the school who could AFAIK and no one in the Order seems to know. Seems pretty critical to me. Don't forget if Draco dies then Snape dies too because of the agreement (still holds, no?) so I don't think that will happen.
2005-07-21 04:57:33 PM  
Well, it's no "Hop on Pop".
2005-07-21 06:04:47 PM  
Ok. So this is completely off topic, but does anyone else think that Peter O'Toole would make the best Dumbledore ever?'Toole-nightand.jpg
2005-07-21 06:42:46 PM  
Here's my take:

Snape makes the Unbreakable Vow (because he has to, or his cover is blown). Then Snape meets with Dumbledore and explains the Vow; Dumbledore realizes he must die, and knows Malfoy can't really do it, so Snape will have to. Snape is to keep tabs on Malfoy. Over the course of the year, Snape gets anxious about the eventual outcome of this situation: he knows he'll have to kill Dumbledore, and doesn't like that. Dumbledore tells him repeatedly that he has to, to keep Voldemort from becoming suspicious.

Snape is given the DADA position so that he can teach Harry in an unsuspicious setting. Slughorn is given the Potions position for two reasons (other than just filling the void): to allow Harry into the class, and because he has an important memory that Dumbledore believes Harry can get from him.

Because Harry was not expecting to take the course, he gets the textbook of the HBP (Snape), allowing Snape to impart even more knowledge on Harry. This is necessary because Harry would never take private lessons or instruction from Snape again, since he doesn't trust him in the slightest.

Dumbledore is, of course, pleading with Snape to follow through with the plan and kill him.
2005-07-21 08:04:21 PM  
I loved the book, and will gladly finish the series, along with rereading books 4 and 5, but the book had some definite problems.

1. The luck potion Felix Felicis is ridiculously strong, as was the time travel device Hermione had in the third book however.

2. Harry is weak except for the "capability to love" bull that is supposedly crazy powerful.

3. Harry's whole "Malfoy is up to something" obsession really got boring about 2/3's of the way through the book.

4. Harry cheated through potions class all year which although is similar to my cheating through chemistry class definitely does not make me admire him. J.K Rowling's desire to make Harry appear weak most of the time and then survive dangerous situations has gone too far.

5. Why oh why must J.K Rowling set up a scene where Harry Potter forgives Malfoy and brings him back to the good side in book 7 similar to Dumbledore giving Snape another chance. Kill Snape and kill Malfoy is the most painful way possible.

BTW, I love Harry Potter books ;-). *goes to room to read 4th book over again*
2005-07-21 08:27:10 PM  
If Harry & co. are smart, they'll get to work brewing some more Felix Felicis (it takes something like 6 months to make, doesn't it?) to have for their hunt for Horcruxes and for Voldemort. Of course, JKR probably will never mention that potion again.
2005-07-21 08:41:07 PM  
it may just be me not reading them close enough or mostly that i read the others so long ago.

1. this is the first time i hear anything of ron and hermione being a thing. it seemed like they both really were into each other. but i dont remember any of that in the other books. but im probably wrong because in the 3rd movie i know they hint towards things. but im gonna reread some of the other books. definately 5 because i only rmember the ending of that one and hagrids whole plot. and if i dont see any relationship between ron and hermione in that one then im going to assume the relationship in the moive was hollywood and JK was influenced by it.

2. which wont help me by reading the others again. am i the only one who thought in the 2nd chapter that snape and mrs malfoy were talking about draco killing harry. i may of read it wrong which i probably did and i will go back and check after i post this. or im thinking JK may of wanted it to seem that way. because i thought it through the whole thing and was shocked not even when he started talking to dumbledore but when it was stated that malfoy wouldn't kill him.

please respond to this through AIM @ papercut735. it will be easier for me to check but you can still respond her incase anyone else is confused by this

2005-07-21 08:41:33 PM  

I don't know, this seems pretty obvious to me. Neither Harry nor Voldemort can get on with their lives/plans while they are both alive.

Dumbledore said himself that not all prophecies are fulfilled. It is likely the one Trelawney made never would have been fulfilled if Snape hadn't overheard and told Voldie. It is a mistake to put too much stock in that prophecy. Voldie does, and that was his downfall and may be again.
2005-07-21 08:44:35 PM  
also forget to mention this.

i had always assumed theyre would be seven books because of the 7 years at hogwarts. im sure many others thought this too. i had always hoped for 8 books just to see what harry did after hogwarts

i dont even know if JK ever said there were only going to be 7.

given the ending circumstance in 6. this means they're very easily could be more then 7

2005-07-22 05:10:11 AM  
Thanks for link to the interview with JKR. Clearly the series ends with the next book, with the book's length yet to be determined. Some of the speculations in this discussion would fit into the category of delusional and some seem to be on point. No more games on broomsticks. Dead is dead.

As to Chapter 2, I thought that Snape was responding to Narcissa's requests to help Draco kill Harry and that he was doing so primarily to tick Bella off.

Interestingly, Snape and LV, both in the house of Slytherin, were halfbloods, just like Harry. And, in our own time, Adolf Hitler had a Jewish heritage.

From the conversation with JKR, she has been working on what needs to be included in the final volume and has written bits and pieces, but her role as a new mother and her desire to give her new child the same year's worth of attention (and not in terms of "quality time") indicate we will be waiting another two years or so before the book that ends with "scar" appears. (Oops. That could be a spoiler.)
2005-07-22 02:29:09 PM  
Harry is the Last remaining horcrux. The prophecy says that neither can live while the other survives. R.A.B. took care of all the others already. The link between them and the similar powers make too much sense. Snape is evil. Lord > Prince, too closely linked to be a coincidence. Dumbledore is dead. The last book will be Harry and pals chasing death eaters and LV. They'll uncover each Horcrux only to discover that they have already been destroyed and will meet LV at the supposed hiding place of the last one. Big battle Harry and LV Dead.
Ron will work at the ministry and Neville and Hermoine will work at Hogwarts
///wasn't as original as the first 4
2005-07-22 04:20:49 PM  
Is it possible that LV made Harry a Horcrux after he killed Harry's parents, and then took himself out?? Harry never saw LV attack him, merely a green flash of light. What if the scar is a result of a Horcrux on a person and the green flash was LV taking himself out to set a 7th Horcrux? Could be complete shiite too.
2005-07-22 04:38:50 PM  
Also, why doesn't anyone just get a gun and light this mofo up Rambo style?
2005-07-23 03:19:39 AM  
Albus - In Latin means white (maybe for white beard). Wisdom. Or.. Governor of Britain at the death of the emperor Pertinax, Decimus Clodius Albinus (Albinus=Albus?) attempted to seize the throne but ended up as Caesar in alliance with another imperial contender, Septimius Severus. After Severus defeated two other rivals (Voldemort and... maybe Slytherin?), the now expendable Albinus was forced into another attempt at usurpation, an attempt that came to an end at the bloody battle of Lyon.

Taken from

Severus and Albus. Interesting note.
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