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(CNN)   Uncle Sam wants YOU: Feds recruiting anti-terrorism hackers   ( divider line
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4880 clicks; posted to Main » on 31 Mar 2002 at 12:43 PM (16 years ago)   |   Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook   more»

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2002-03-31 12:46:15 PM  
Old news.
2002-03-31 12:47:35 PM  
I have a computer.
2002-03-31 12:47:37 PM  
It's about time that the l33t hax0rs can do something for their country.

Although if you ask a Hippie leftist, this is a bad idea because of something involving the US supporting the Northern Alliance.
2002-03-31 12:48:11 PM  
I am Jack's complete lack of interest
2002-03-31 12:48:27 PM  
Ask not what you can do for your country, ask what your country can do for you.
2002-03-31 12:53:36 PM  
I feel all patriotic today. I will make a hack of Super Mario Brothers where you kill Osama Bin Laden. YEAH! TOGETHER WE CAN WIN!
2002-03-31 12:56:25 PM  
Am3rica 0wnz j00 !!!!!!
2002-03-31 12:57:14 PM  
"Everyone's out to get you motherfvcker"-- Beck
2002-03-31 12:59:08 PM  
SLAYERSWINE is drafted, in that case...
2002-03-31 12:59:11 PM  
i r0xx0r ur s0xxorz, terorrist n00b!!!1111
2002-03-31 01:00:10 PM  
Let me get this straight, they pay my way to a masters in CS, and then I get to work for the government, with the most advanced equipment there is, and all I have to do is convince them to use firewalls, anti virus software, disconnect the internet from users that don't need it for their jobs, and not open email attachments?

Woo Hoo!
2002-03-31 01:04:20 PM  
Scraping fetus, do you realize just how hard that would be. Suggesting its one thing, getting government to actually do something is another matter altogether. But have fun :)
2002-03-31 01:05:04 PM  
We're seeking to train a whole group of people in cyberterrorism so that they can later turn against us in what will be an ironic twist.

Maybe we'll eventually learn that mercenary's loyalty is fleeting.
2002-03-31 01:11:40 PM  
Yup, old news.

By the way, my left eye won't stop twitching. Can somebody help me?
2002-03-31 01:18:36 PM  
Re: left eye twitching.

1/4 inch staples will do the trick.
2002-03-31 01:21:57 PM  
haha @ Slayer not that again......
2002-03-31 01:24:21 PM  
I'm going to be just like everyone else and say that this is old news, because conformity rules.

This is old news.

That is all.

-Got Spider??
2002-03-31 01:27:56 PM  
Old and stale enough to make
2002-03-31 01:31:19 PM  
hmmmmm.. this sounds like an interesting program to get into acaully.. Which one of those schools mentioned are best known for partying? :P
2002-03-31 01:44:03 PM  
Uhh, a little late America.
The Chinese have had a Govnt funded cyber-warfare group for years now... But i'm pretty sure you can out-l33t them if you try. Good luck, dorks. (Don't think I'll ever make it... I can't even do this farking Java assignment due on Tuesday. *sob*)
2002-03-31 01:50:44 PM  
if the gov' were SMART, they'd stop trying to FUK good Ol Mr. Gates and might get some good to know knowledge....there's a reason he's the world's riches man....duh
2002-03-31 02:05:21 PM  
Cybercorps is a joke. They have it at my school, and it's full of talentless hacks who either want the job security and benefits of a government job or were brainwashed into thinking its worthwhile. Cybercorps has ruined the curriculum, resulting in "high-level" classes about how "you need a security policy" to secure systems. There is no focus on how one actually goes about securing systems. Because of this, my school is graduating "Security Experts" by the bucketfull, luckily they'll have government jobs, because before cybercorps we had to hire them back as "professors" to get them employed.
2002-03-31 02:08:17 PM  
why the fuq is this classified under "hero".
2002-03-31 02:30:19 PM  
cyberterrorism: the crap the CIA was worrying about when terrorists were waltzing on to airplanes with boxcutters.

Would someone please give the CIA a clue?
2002-03-31 02:40:56 PM  
Old news, perhaps. But I never saw it.

Anyway, this does look pretty crappy. Nothing has more mass than bureauacracy, and getting it to change direction is tremendously hard. Like Fetus said, if they just installed firewalls and anti-virus systems on every machine and disconnected when unnecessary, hacking would be impossible.
2002-03-31 02:54:01 PM  
Firewalls and antivirus programs aren't enough. Servers, for example, have to allow the outside world to connect to them, and then they're open to exploits. An administrator has to be on top of things and install the latest patches or his system is going to be compromised at some point.
2002-03-31 02:55:12 PM  

Wrong, you would be amazed what the most talented hackers and security experts are capable of doing. Just because YOU don't think it is possible, doesn't mean it is reality. The reality is firewalls, routers, etc can only protect so much. Look at Kevin Mitnick, spoofed his own TCP/IP packets at the highest level to defeat a security expert's firewalled system that had no direct connection to the outside world.

Several years ago a Russian man defeated 7 layers of security at Citibank to steal money. There is always someone who understands how security work and how to take advantage of it.
2002-03-31 03:19:42 PM  
HaelaN: OK, not IMPOSSIBLE, but the security holes in government systems are so gaping that it's ridiculous. I understand that an experiment was done in which the Bureau of Indian Affairs was repeatedly cracked with ease: it lacked even elemental protections. As to spoofing, the problem will continue no matter what happens. The reality is that nobody wants to take responsiblility for the Internet, which is full of highly insecure computers, vulnerable to spoofing, and rife with irresponsible SysOps who refuse to shut down questionable activities on their servers. If I ruled the world, everyone would have at least ZoneAlarm 2 and a virus scanner to prevent zombie trojan horses.
2002-03-31 03:20:37 PM  
This is a job for The Amazing Mitnick and Captain Paulsen!!!
2002-03-31 03:33:04 PM  
Stuff like this makes me smile.
2002-03-31 03:47:54 PM  
SLAYERSWINE: Nice reference.
2002-03-31 03:57:34 PM  
Zonealarm would block the script kiddies, not the real hackers who take pride in what they do. Script Kiddies would give up, hackers would be persistent and find a way into the system.

Under your rule, only script kiddies would be stopped. =)
2002-03-31 03:59:24 PM  
I don't see "hacker" listed...

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2002-03-31 04:01:20 PM  
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2002-03-31 04:04:18 PM  
Ah, I get it..

Hacking is "cyber terrorism"... unless you explicitly use your skills to help the government.
2002-03-31 05:27:05 PM  
wait- i don't get it. isn't being a hacker totally *opposite* from working for the feds? the feds are the dark side, man. anyone knows that. get caught, and you either go to jail or join them. bring em down, for they 4r3 n0+ 133+!!!!!
2002-03-31 06:00:19 PM  
Under your rule, only script kiddies would be stopped. =)

Good. This would solve a number of problems, most importantly, the proliferation of idiots with computers who decide that they want to be a "hax0r". This would stop the vast majority of attacks, leaving only real hackers who can then be shut down by experts at their leisure.
2002-03-31 08:10:08 PM  
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2002-03-31 08:15:53 PM  
Hah, nice picture! Hey wait a minute, did she just take that book off my desk?
2002-03-31 08:45:47 PM  
They have been doing this for years at Defcon. Trying to recruit the talented ones. Not just taking any farkpants who can own a computer

Mitnick was pretty good, especially for 1994. It's pretty interesting how he did it. You can look for a post from I think 25 jan 1995 from Tsutomu Shimomura for some more info about it. Shows you what someone who knows what he's doing and some determination can do.
2002-03-31 09:12:22 PM  
I R haxx0r.
2002-03-31 09:32:47 PM  
i just thought this was amusing:

"Eleven million dollars just doesn't buy you a lot," Erbschloe said.
2002-03-31 09:42:12 PM  
Vegasj & Quick1,
Finger Flashback, huh ?
2002-03-31 09:48:25 PM  
Some cia recruters where talking to me at a job fair. They were trying so hard to make it sound cool. They kept talking about "Real James Bond Stuff".

While I'd love the free education, I don't think I could work for the feds. They tend to require things like drug teasting and regular polygraph tests. I have nothing to hide, I just resent the invasion in to my privacy.

I have a friend in the NSA, and she has to file reports about what she did on the weekends, who she saw etc. They hate that she goes to things like DefCon, but they can't make her not go.

Sounds like it just wouldn't be worth it. My personal freedom is too important to me.

2002-04-01 12:36:46 AM  
Mowe wikewy dis is a vewy Simpson-esqwe sting... you know, de "you have won a fwee motowboat, pwease cowwect at de powice station" kind of ding...
2002-04-01 02:32:22 AM  
I knew i schoulda taken hackingkt 101 in kommunity kollege.
2002-04-01 02:33:04 AM  
I knew i shoulda taken hacking 101 in community college.
2002-04-01 04:23:46 AM  
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2002-04-01 07:56:35 AM  
Dis vas interestingkt... vhen I submitted it (and it got posted) a veek or more ago...
2002-04-01 12:14:48 PM  
""Eleven million dollars just doesn't buy you a lot," Erbschloe said. "

Shoot, I could by 15-20 politicians for that kinda' money.
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