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2005-03-18 12:09:41 PM  
Cyclops has blasted Wolverine a few times with his lazer eyes, and it didnt melt him.. so I call bullshiat on that.. Wolverine would kick some serious Jedi ass.

Now Magneto on the other hand.. he would own mr. Logan.

/Can't believe I participated in this.. and that my work paid me for it.
 
2005-03-18 12:09:43 PM  
ok- I wanna know why on the Fark front page there is currently only one link to a Boobies page and there isn't even boobies on it... WTF Farkers, very disappointed...
 
2005-03-18 12:10:25 PM  
TakeThatYouStupidCorn

Preacher, in my opinion, was an immense disappointment. Just a bunch of potty jokes.


Starr: "How much to piss in your mouth, Mrs. Thatcher?"
 
2005-03-18 12:10:34 PM  
kasarul:

If Jedis have this precognition and super speed you speak of how was it they were all slaughtered on the bug planet?

I said a few moment, not a whole freakin day worth of precognition. If they did have that kind of ability, the slaughter on that "bug" planet would never happened. And if you have seen The Phantom Meance, one of the early scene was Obi Wan and Quin Gon quickly escaping the Droidia

This thread was started by a girl! Blah! It's another ruse by women to rid the planet of men.

/Begun, the nerd war has
 
2005-03-18 12:10:46 PM  
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Do you really want to mess with this?
 
2005-03-18 12:12:01 PM  
In a fight, who would win: Admiral Akbar, or the killer rabbit from Holy Grail? Think about it:

The rabbit -- looks cute and harmless, thus luring the unsuspecting into its trap.

Akbar -- Is leery of traps.
 
2005-03-18 12:12:45 PM  
JohnnyRingo: Lightsaber COULD cut through adamantium. It WONT because there are no lightsabers in the Marvel Universe.

But didn't Marvel print the old Star Wars comics?
 
2005-03-18 12:12:47 PM  
Randomhero
Cyclops' eyes create a concussive force, not a hot laser. Gosh! Idiot!
 
2005-03-18 12:12:52 PM  
Get friggin' real. Juggernaut has withstood MUCH more powerful things than lightsabres and the telepaths that mind screw him make Jedis look like Madame Cleo

And yet, everyone seems to know that they just have to remove his little hat and he's toast.
 
2005-03-18 12:13:05 PM  
The rabbit. Akbar doesnt carry holy hand grenades.
 
2005-03-18 12:13:45 PM  
Wahre
seeing as both "adamantium" and "light sabers" don't exist, how can nothing overcome nothing?
fags.


It's called willing suspense of disbelief ;)
 
2005-03-18 12:14:27 PM  
canaryfarmer I dont know, but I don't think there will ever be any cross-universe action between Star Wars and Marvel.
 
2005-03-18 12:14:33 PM  
2005-03-18 12:12:47 PM TakeThatYouStupidCorn

Randomhero
Cyclops' eyes create a concussive force, not a hot laser. Gosh! Idiot!

-LOL, Geek test!

/A concussive laser? he sure concusses the hell out of those sentinels on the tv show..
 
2005-03-18 12:14:37 PM  
(I forgot to add a dramatic musical chord at the end of my last post. Because there's supposed to be one, you see.)
 
2005-03-18 12:15:27 PM  
People give jedi WAAAYYY to much credit. I blame the the stupid non canon books. Listen, some droids can kill jedi, Jango can kill jedi. Any super hero listed in this thread could kill a jedi. Could they take out THE BEST jedi? That would be a better question.
 
2005-03-18 12:15:29 PM  
Where's the Mountain Dew?
 
2005-03-18 12:16:21 PM  
Juggs simply slams his hands together and the Jedi explodes.

Assuming the Jedi can't see it coming and get out of the way, which is very doubtfull. It also assumes the Jedi can't block said hands with the Force. However, yes, if Juggernaut slams a Jedi it would kill him.

Get friggin' real. Juggernaut has withstood MUCH more powerful things than lightsabres and the telepaths that mind screw him make Jedis look like Madame Cleo

With his helmet on, yes. Should the helmet get taken off, he's screwed. I'm not saying the jedi bounces through the helmet, but he could probably very well figure out some way to use the force to get the helmet off before trying to screw with Juggernaut's head.
 
2005-03-18 12:17:24 PM  
Zylon

Its in the fridge, duh.
 
2005-03-18 12:17:53 PM  
Programmer Cat,

Nah, read the new book: Spellfire for Rahl, he's seriously pussified.

1. No Kalahan
2. No Sword of Truth
3. Anytime he actually figures out how to use his magic there's some stupidly named blood beast that'll come to kill him
4. He's more likely to make the situation worse by sticking to the whole "this is my life and I'll live it however I see fit... even if that means destroying all of existance because I missed my wife"

So basically he's a guy who suffers periodic migranes, is constantly going through seperation after seperation with his wife, who hangs out with a blonde dominatrix, a former pron star, and three old farts.

But at least he's close to figuring out that all he had to do from umm Book 3 on was go back to the People's Palace and open the Boxes of Ordan, oh wait, too late they're gone too.
 
2005-03-18 12:18:00 PM  
randomhero Oh, I'm king of the friggin' geeks. Nothing to be done for it. I'm so geeky I've even read the Halo books!
 
2005-03-18 12:18:17 PM  
Custom5:

There are weapons used in the Star Wars universe to protect things from the light saber's parallel plasma energy beam, one of which was shown in the Clone Wars cartoon by a robohenchman. I'm sure they developed something in the movies but I don't recall every seeing anything that a light saber couldn't eventually destroy.

Alledegly General Grevious' (the robot dude from the last episode of Clone Wars) henchmen have staffs that are capable of blocking a light saber.

Also in Clone Wars there is a robot/slimy animal thing that has lighsaber deflecting energy shields built into his forearms.

overlord: Also, is it 'adamantium' or 'admantium'? I see both spellings here...

Aluminium/Aluminum deal possibly? :-)

To cap it all I have just had a thought about the whole deflecting of lightsabers deal.

Almost any energy field of suffient power should be able to deflect a lightsaber blade, if you think about it, laser bolts are DEFLECTED by a lightsaber blade, i.e. they bounce off. So if we throw Newtons laws at it.

1st Law: object will remain at rest or in uniform motion in a straight line unless compelled to change its state by the action of an external force.

So when (for instance) a droid warrior fires a blaster bolt at a jedi, it travels in a straight line. The jedi blocks the bolt, therefore because of the 1st law an external force has been applied to the blaster bolt to change its direction.

Now we bring the 3rd law into play: for every action (force) in nature there is an equal and opposite reaction

So when the force from the lightsaber acts onto the blaster bolt, the blaster bolt is acting back on the lightsaber.

Therefore you can block a lightsaber with an energy field.

Oh, and any claims "this happens in different universes" can be ignored by simply remembering the words "A long time ago in a galaxy far far away". Same universe, just in th epast, therefore same laws of physics apply :-P
 
2005-03-18 12:18:27 PM  
I'm sorry but taking juggs helmet off is not simple task. Someone like Yoda or Dooku could "maybe" force lift it off, otherwise the jedi would have to get close and try and cut it....by then juggs would just clap his hands and the jedis ears would explode.
 
2005-03-18 12:18:47 PM  
2005-03-18 12:15:27 PM armageddonbound

People give jedi WAAAYYY to much credit. I blame the the stupid non canon books. Listen, some droids can kill jedi, Jango can kill jedi. Any super hero listed in this thread could kill a jedi. Could they take out THE BEST jedi? That would be a better question.



I give them a slight edge against Jubilee:

LOL, to imagine being lucky enough to have mutant powers, then finding out all you can do is make little fireworks.. ha!
 
2005-03-18 12:20:13 PM  
Hebalo
The trick is in getting the helmet off. It's not that easy to do.
/Did anyone else see the What if where Prof. X became the Juggernaut? It negated pretty much every weakness.
 
2005-03-18 12:21:03 PM  
2005-03-18 12:12:01 PM Captain Irreverence

In a fight, who would win: Admiral Akbar, or the killer rabbit from Holy Grail? Think about it:

The rabbit -- looks cute and harmless, thus luring the unsuspecting into its trap.

Akbar -- Is leery of traps.


Standoff. Rabbit can't lure Ackbar in, Ackbar can't get close enough to do any damage to the rabbit.
 
2005-03-18 12:22:18 PM  
2005-03-18 12:18:00 PM TakeThatYouStupidCorn

randomhero Oh, I'm king of the friggin' geeks. Nothing to be done for it. I'm so geeky I've even read the Halo books!


Ouch, I thought I was geeky for watching Red vs Blue.. I bow to your pale, chalky skinned feet and beg for forgiveness for my insolence.
 
2005-03-18 12:23:53 PM  
I'm sorry but taking juggs helmet off is not simple task.

Then how come EVERYONE does it, almost EVERY time juggie shows up?
 
2005-03-18 12:25:40 PM  
Oh, no people are calling this nerdy. Won't be most popular in high school. . . . Oh, wait high school is over and I don't give a shiat.

Also somebody said this is an imaginary dick contest.

1) Not everyone conforms to the "I'm insecure so I have to show others as inferior/pathetic" mentality that you ironically exibit

2) If you don't like this sort of stuff don't read this thread.

-- Richard Zeien
 
2005-03-18 12:26:05 PM  
Forgiveness granted, my young ward. Let us now proceed to the feast of 1,000 cheetos!
 
2005-03-18 12:26:44 PM  
I was about to point out that every good guy ever has managed to get Juggernaut's helmet off, but Hebalo did it for me.

You want to throw Magneto out there as someone who can kick a Jedi's ass, I'll give you that in a second. Juggernaut? Not so much.
 
2005-03-18 12:27:09 PM  
JakeElwood
It's not cannonical, but according to the SW Guide to Tech (or some such, I'm at school, and it's currently sitting on my shelf at home, so I can't exactly look it up), the light is merely a side effect of pure energy being projected outwards, and then being attracted back towards the negatively charged antinode inside the concentric ring of the emitter.

/wow, that makes no sense...
//oh well
///go read the japanese knife thread!
 
2005-03-18 12:27:23 PM  
mrjared - re: adamantium bullets...

A bullet is but one component of an ammunition round. A firearm catridge typically consists of 4 components: a primer cap, a cartridge, gun powder, and the bullet itself. The primer is a percussion cap which is struck by the firearm's hammer, igniting (not exploding) the gunpowder, which causes intense gasious decompression (it's a physical reaction of some sort which I'm not too sure of the chemistry involved). This then pushes the bullet (the hardened projectile) through the barrel.

The amount of damage a given particle of matter can meter out is partially dependant on its velocity, and partially dependant on its size. Density (ie, weight, basically) will also play a role in how far the projectile can travel against resistance, as the initial force of propulsion disipates due to friction. Though, the projectile of choice being adamantium, a metal which is incredibly resistant to damage, it seems likely to me that it might also have a very high friction coefficient, giving it a very low friction factor (I'm not sure what I just said, but it kind of makes sense!). So adamantium might be able to travel fairly indefinately with only minimal frictional resistance.

I think that, theoretically, you could get a small enough projectile moving fast enough to penetrate Superman's skin: skin might be "chainmail-like" but just like any other cell, there is space between them just as there is with molecules. (Unless, of course, Superman is also super-dense, in which case he'd likely weigh several hundred tons. Which is technically feasable, as he can fly and all - this might explain his super-strength.)

Additionally, if you were to fire the adamantium from a rail gun - say, a bullet shapped like 1' long wedge, starting with a micrososcopic tip - I suspect that it would slide off the initial cells of skin and slip between them: partially due to velocity, partially due to the adamantium properties, and partially due to the profile of the projectile. It would be entirely too fast for Superman to dodge. Too bad he doesn't have Wolverine-style healing ability!
 
2005-03-18 12:27:26 PM  
"Then how come EVERYONE does it, almost EVERY time juggie shows up?"

Actually I have almost all of juggs appearences and it doesnt happen very often. It takes a good amount of super strength to take it off. Also, its the only way the writers can find to have someone actually beat the juggs half the time.
 
2005-03-18 12:27:28 PM  
RandomHero

Jubalee knocked the Juggernaught on his ass.

-- Richard Zeien
 
2005-03-18 12:28:24 PM  
The answer is No. A light saber does not exist in nature. A fact is something that has been scientifically proven or proven to a point that it cannot or has not been disputed. Please, someone, try to dispute me with physical evidence through reproduction.
 
2005-03-18 12:29:03 PM  
2005-03-18 01:59:27 AM SockMonkeyHolocaust

Dude, a lightsaber couldn't destroy Elvis. The King is forever, in fact Elvis is in every single one of us. He's everywhere...he's everybody, he's still the king.

Man, oh man, what I want you to see, is that the big "E" is inside of you and me.


Elvis eats boats. Elvis eats boats. Elvis Elvis Elvis Elvis Elvis Elvis eats boats.
 
2005-03-18 12:29:34 PM  
I think the important question here is:

"If Wolverine was piloting the Deathstar, vs. a Jedi/Sith piloting the Enterprise-D, would you rather have Captain Kirk or Captain Picard on the bridge? And could either one outrun Darth Vader's Star Destroyer?"
 
2005-03-18 12:29:51 PM  
My two cents: the lightsaber would eventually cut through adamantium, if given enough time. See the beginning of the Phantom Menace where it took some time for the Jedis to get through the blast door with their sabers.

For practical application (i.e., a Jedi versus Wolverine battle), any connection between the lightsaber and Wolverine's claws or skeleton would be too brief to allow the lightsaber to cut through the metal. Therefore, Wolverine's flesh cut by the saber would heal, and Wolverine would eventually get his claws on the Jedi. End of Jedi.
 
2005-03-18 12:32:01 PM  
And could either one outrun Darth Vader's Star Destroyer

I don't know, but I'm sure the max speed for both, and their equivalent to the speed of the light, is listed somewhere.
 
2005-03-18 12:32:31 PM  
machinerevvingtension
The answer is simple. The erson you would want would be a dc/marvel-esque amalgamation of BOTH Picard and Kirk. Think of it: a man with the common sense of Picard and the chest hair of kirk. Dammit, it would be GLORIOUS!
 
2005-03-18 12:34:08 PM  
someguy: Standoff. Rabbit can't lure Ackbar in, Ackbar can't get close enough to do any damage to the rabbit.

Correct! Next question:

In a fight, who would win: Ben Richards or Logan 5?

Richards: Good at running.

Logan: Good at catching runners.
 
2005-03-18 12:34:48 PM  
All of you talking about taking off Juggernaut's helmet seem to forget that he also has skullcap that he made out of leftovers from his helmet. So even if his helmet (which is "welded" on) is taken off, he's got protection against the dirty Jedi mind tricks.

/sorry if someone else already raised this point
 
2005-03-18 12:35:43 PM  
The erson you would want would be a dc/marvel-esque amalgamation of BOTH Picard and Kirk. Think of it: a man with the common sense of Picard and the chest hair of kirk. Dammit, it would be GLORIOUS!

Composite Captain Picirk?
 
2005-03-18 12:36:33 PM  
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Even Comic Book Guy is shocked at how geeky this thread is.
 
2005-03-18 12:36:43 PM  
Vacuously, the answer is yes.

Since neither Adamantium exists nor does a light sabre, it is vacuously true that a light sabre can cut Adamantium.
 
2005-03-18 12:37:20 PM  
WHat did no Jedi (or Sith) ever make a Light Saber that has an extra feature- when this feature is activated, the LS will, upon contact with another LS, turn off for a fraction of a second, allowing the swing of the weilder to continue, then turn back on? It would come on handy when you swing at the other guy, and he blocks at the last second. ::poof:: you LS appears to 'cut ' thru his and chops his head off.
 
2005-03-18 12:38:28 PM  
If they both existed in nature, yes. But since they both do not, the true answer is an astounding no.
 
2005-03-18 12:39:16 PM  
Captain Irreverence

In a fight, who would win: Admiral Akbar, or the killer rabbit from Holy Grail? Think about it:

The rabbit -- looks cute and harmless, thus luring the unsuspecting into its trap.

Akbar -- Is leery of traps.



HA Thanks man, you made my day!
 
2005-03-18 12:41:21 PM  
fredklein: because the lightsaber also has to protect against blows from sabers coming at the wielder of the saber with such a function; too much to ask that a Jedi be able to activate or deactivate the feature in the midst of such a fast-moving fight. See Yoda's fight against Dorku (whatever his name was) in Phantom Menace.
 
2005-03-18 12:41:50 PM  
2005-03-18 12:27:28 PM rczeien

RandomHero

Jubalee knocked the Juggernaught on his ass.

- Really? Juggernaught really needs to work on his offence.
 
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