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2005-03-18 11:21:08 AM  
Ahhh... Gotcha. How was that series? Is it in TPB?

Only three issues to the series, so I'm not sure if it was ever put to trade.

Not bad, the artwork was nice in spots and Jade Moon had a sweet ass. Rrroowwwrr...
 
2005-03-18 11:21:13 AM  
who's the moran that didn't put his fighter through class change before tackling the Mirage Tower and the Sky Castle?

Someone so badass, they didn't need to.
 
2005-03-18 11:21:17 AM  
My plus ten Gamwar axe could take 'em both.
 
2005-03-18 11:21:48 AM  
The Saint of Killers

Guy's okay because of his attitude, but I think Alan's got the experience and Hal's the fearless hero thing down.

btw, Preacher rules.

/you gotta be one of the good guys, son, because there's way too much of the bad out there
//or something like that
 
2005-03-18 11:23:22 AM  
Geeker026 - Where was the JLA when doomsday came calling eh?

/Marvel fan


The JLA fought Doomsday alongside Superman, although it was a pretty lame incarnation of the JLA sporting such luminaries as Ice Maiden, Booster Gold and Bloodwynd.

/Formerly a marvel zombie, now all about the DC
 
2005-03-18 11:23:30 AM  
The Saint of Killers: Jesus, do you even read comics?

Nope, never in my life. Haven't touched one.


Kangaroo_Ralph:

Didn't they have to write it that way because the outcome was based on votes? My favorite was the Aquaman vs. Namor fight, even though Namor should have won. You just can't beat seeing a big orca come flying out of the water and landing on Namor to smoosh him.

Lobo sucks donkey ass. Wolverine has fought tougher chumps than that douche-bag in a one-off comic that is used to tie people over for the next story arch.

The real freaking travesty in Marvel VS DC that Cap lost to Batman. I'm sorry, but DC writers write their chracters like they are indestructable. Cap should have won that freaking match, and the voters who voted for Batman are complete idiots.

Let's see. A guy with spectacular dective and fighting skills vs a guy who is probably the best field general in comic history, has the best physical condition that you can have and still be considered a normal human and has been fighting more than just street thugs the majority of his career.

No freaking contest.
 
2005-03-18 11:23:54 AM  
NineInchNader

Heck, if I spent some a little cash getting the full run of the 25-issue android Hourman series, I can spend some on the kung-fu Lantern series. Will look out for it.
 
2005-03-18 11:24:09 AM  
canaryfarmer

Someone so badass, they didn't need to.

Ah. Me, I grab every advantage I can get without cheating. If I wanted a hard game of FF, I'd use a Monk, a Red Mage, a White Mage, and a Black Mage.
 
2005-03-18 11:25:47 AM  
Can Fark fark /. or would /. fark Fark?
 
2005-03-18 11:25:53 AM  
justin2209:

"As far as the adamantium vs. lightsaber goes....if adamantium is indestructible the moment it hardens then even a lightsaber couldn't melt it again. It would however probably get really really hot and thus the bearer of the lightsaber would probably when the battle against adamantium claws."

Im assuming that adamantium can conduct heat. I could be wrong on that.



It can conduct heat, but still survive. In an issue of X-Men before they did yet another (well needed) "restart" Phoenix and Wolverine were on a spaceship that was plummeting to the sun. Wolverine got roasted up good, but the skeleton was still intact.
 
2005-03-18 11:25:55 AM  
Actually, as all good star wars geeks know, there is an ore that shorts out/counteracts the lightsaber. It begins with a C, but I don't quite remember the name of it, as it has been years since I've read any of the novels. It appears in Zahn's triology, his duology, and at least a few other books (I'm thinking of the book on Corran Horn that is outside of the X-Wing series.)

/damn, I'm terrible with names
//when I get home, I think I'll reread some of my collection
 
2005-03-18 11:26:16 AM  
"This is very true. I think a Sith Lord wouldn't worry, because he would probably sense how farking crazy Wolvie would be, and just toast his arse extra crispy."

The same way the Emporer sensed that Vader was going to grab him from behind and throw his ass down a well?

Also, Force lightning is slow as molasses, Wolverine would simply dodge it or heck let it hit him and regenerate from it's weak power. When Luke is Force fried in ROTJ, the surrounding area is hit by Force lightining including a few metal barrels that remain unscathed. Force lightning doesn't even burn clothing (it barely makes it smolder) as evidenced by several scenes.

Sorry but again, Wolverine makes a mockery of ANY Force user.
 
2005-03-18 11:26:37 AM  
This is a new low. Not only is this one of the nerdiest threads ever...but, I'm actually making a comment in it.

I should have been able to ignore this discussion. What's happening to me?!?!?!??!
 
2005-03-18 11:27:07 AM  
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Can't believe I read this whole thread let alone posted to it.
 
2005-03-18 11:27:17 AM  
ah, cortosis ore. That was what I was thinking of. Thanks, self, for looking like a jackass and not reading.

/no problem, self
 
2005-03-18 11:29:12 AM  
Yes, but could a lightsaber or adamantium claws cut the ring? Could Frodo's quest be ended by a jedi?
 
2005-03-18 11:29:23 AM  
NathanAllen

"I thought that lightsabers didn't generate any heat, although that would probably not be true otherwise Luke would have bled to death after his dad went a bit too far with the corporal punishment."

Lightsabers only generate heat when they are in contact with a conductive material. This is due to the fact that the lightsaber contains a extremely high density of magnetic flux that rotates at the third harmonic of the emitter crystals natural frequency. This extremely high rate of rotation causes eddy currents within the material in an area of one half the wavelenth of the rotation frequency.
 
2005-03-18 11:29:27 AM  
Can rock really crush sissors? How big must the rock be?
 
2005-03-18 11:30:07 AM  
I can provide proof all day long about how badly Jedis and Sith suck. Please either provide canonical proof to support your position or capitulate.

Well, two things come into play here:

1. Main characters vs. extras.
Oh wait you mean like how that Jedi was gunned down by Jango Fett when he landed on the balcony... Oh wait.

Some noname Jedi is going to take out a main character. Right. This is a movie, keep this in mind.

2. God mode is not as fun.
You mean like Obi-Wan did against Jango Fett? I missed the backflip part as all I saw was Obi-Wan getting his hands tied, being knocked around by ill-aimed rockets and blaster fire and losing in fist fight.
No, you mean how Mace Windu backflipped against that charging rhino monster and didn't end up losing his sabre nor did he end up knocked to the ground...


Again, this is a fantasy situation, and more importantly, a movie. Watching a Jedi kick untold amounts of arse is fun, but adding tension and making the fight even (when, on paper, it shouldn't be) is what a movie is all about.

Even more importantly, this is a movie series by George Lucas. He's going to do whatever he can to make this series NOT cool.

If a Jedi wasn't held down by the laws of moviedom, I still think that the Jedi would come out on top over Wolverine.
 
2005-03-18 11:30:08 AM  
themessenjah: LIGHTSABRES PWN ALL SUPER HEROS

I'm gunna throw out my tardiness to the thread (The lady wouldn't let me out of bed) and suggest the possible matups of either... Dark Phoenix or Silver Surfer vs. Masses of Jedi/Sith and put my money on SS and DP, Also Magneto would have a field day (that whole slowing the iron in your blood to cause clotting in your arteries so your heart would stop) in which case you could add Iceman to the fun as he could easily freeze all of the water in your body...

/A marvel fan from a young age
//Doesn't care about real science
 
2005-03-18 11:30:45 AM  
icy_one:

I think the real question is, who would win in a fight between Batman and a lightsaber?


What the hell kind of fanboy are you?! In a fight against anyone, Batman always wins!
 
2005-03-18 11:31:49 AM  
Failing_Junk:

NathanAllen

"I thought that lightsabers didn't generate any heat, although that would probably not be true otherwise Luke would have bled to death after his dad went a bit too far with the corporal punishment."

Lightsabers only generate heat when they are in contact with a conductive material. This is due to the fact that the lightsaber contains a extremely high density of magnetic flux that rotates at the third harmonic of the emitter crystals natural frequency. This extremely high rate of rotation causes eddy currents within the material in an area of one half the wavelenth of the rotation frequency.


Dude, I, for one, can sit there an recite all the special armors that Iron Man has had through the years and I have every figure from the Iron Man series but you have just defeated me in Nerd Knowledge.

/passes the crown
//The king is dead! Long live the king!
 
2005-03-18 11:32:05 AM  
This is kind of a moot arguement. You are assuming that anything made of adamantium would get close enough to a lightsaber to even test everyones theories on the subject.

To get a lightsaber, you have to be a Jedi, or Sith. Both are trained in the Force. Think Darth Maul vs Wolverine... why bother swinging a lightsaber when you can just force choke the bejeezus out of someone, or bury them under a pile of rubble, simply by thinking it?

Excuse me, my pocket protector is showing.
 
2005-03-18 11:32:12 AM  
I'm breaking a New Year's resolution to stop wasting time posting to Fark but this is the best thread in the history of time.

My take: lightsabers can cut through adamantium. Not sure about how long it would take but it could.

Reasoning?

1. I like Star Wars more than Marvel.

2. I'd want a lightsaber more than an adamantium skeleton/shield/whatever. Mostly because it looks cooler, not for purely practical reasons.

3. While it's been stipulated that adamantium can't be destroyed, it's clear that it can be at least bent. It also seems that it can't be melted after it hardens. Fine. However, I haven't seen any comments about it's transition from a solid to a gas, just solid to liquid. If the plasma of a lightsaber blade are of the right temperature, they might excite the adamantium molecules (or atoms?) to the point where they become either a gas or part of the plasma stream.

If you refer to Phantom Menace and the Clone Wars cartoons, lightsabers seem to melt through metal doors. God knows what the doors are made of. Perhaps they are going molten or perhaps the door material adjacent to the blade are just heated by the metal vapor ejected from the blade.

Now perhaps a lightsaber won't be able to cut through adamantium by melting it and pushing it aside but I'm guessing that it could vaporize it. Again, this wouldn't necessarily be quick; a fight between a Jedi and an adamantium droid might last to the point where the Jedi looses simply due to sleep deprivation or dies of thirst. A Jedi/Wolverine fight would probably go to the Jedi since the Jedi could probably remove all of Logan's tissue before his healing factor could compensate. I don't think he could live without organs or with a severed spinal cord.

Now as for Superman, I'm not sure how he's stand up to a lightsaber but he can survive a nuclear blast (Dark Knight Returns) so you can take that however you want. But as the Death of Superman taught us, (post-crisis) Superman can be killed simply by beating him up enough. Thus, if he is railgunned by enough railguns firing adamantium slugs at sufficient energy for long enough, I'm sure he would succumb. It would have to hurt him faster than his ability to hearl of course. He'd have to be patient or suicidal though. If he's suicidal, kryptonite is much more practical.

/believe it or not, I've had sex as recently as last weekend.
 
2005-03-18 11:32:34 AM  
Cut through the administration?

What's that sound?

Sounds like... turbine engines.

OH NOES, BLACK HELICOPALJFASLDHAHfasAHHAHH
 
2005-03-18 11:32:48 AM  
2005-03-18 11:30:07 AM portnoyd

If it weren't for the laws of moviedom, Jedis wouldn't even exist. Woah, paradox!
 
2005-03-18 11:32:50 AM  
If somebody had bothered to just say "infinity plus one" at the start of this thread, we could avoided all of this unpleasantness.
 
2005-03-18 11:32:51 AM  
I could debate this all day, but eventually i'd neeed to get high to continue. And for the record, Final Fantasy rules, except 11, MMORPG was the worst idea for Finaly Fantasy.
 
2005-03-18 11:32:58 AM  
nightninja76

What the hell kind of fanboy are you?! In a fight against anyone, Batman always wins!

A friend of mine once said, "Batman will always win a fight because Batman cheats."

Have to agree.
 
2005-03-18 11:33:13 AM  
For the record, Superman can move very fast. Say a random Jedi on one side and an expert marksman with an adamantium bullet loaded rifle. So batman told him that jedi can use mental powers, so to be careful, so superman just flies at ungodly speed towards the jedi (spinning the earth on it's axis type of speed). Force powers or not, even from a couple of hundred feet, the jedi has no chance to react and Superman will simply rip his head off. Then just as fast, Superman could hurl the Jedi's head at the marksman so fast that it would burst into flames on the way there and the burning jedi skull would fly into the marksman at such devastating speed, it would kill him instantly. So even if Adamantium and a lightsaber could penetrate Superman's skin, we'll never really know. Now, if you gave a lightsaber to Flash...

But a Jedi would know that Superman is about to move long before Superman did, and could thus move to counteract this, assuming the Jedi was not in the mood for a well-timed snap-hiss to seriously injur Superman. Also, you forget that Jedi were capable of devastating speed due to their accessing pretty much the fabric of the universe.

Also, what if such a fight were to happen outside of Earth? Would Superman even leave Earth knowing that he would be less than worthless?

More interesting I think would be a pissed off, Dark-side Luke (from the comics) moving against a series of more conventional comic book characters. That would be something worth seeing.
 
2005-03-18 11:33:27 AM  
So what happens if you take Death's scythe or sword and try to slice through Adamantium or Superman or a lightsabre?

I mean, the scythe and sword cut atoms apart and cut the life from a body, and we know there's no defense against Death, so....
 
2005-03-18 11:33:57 AM  
Oh com on! This one's easy. It's just like the irresistible force meets the immovable object... The universe will simply cease to exist.
 
2005-03-18 11:34:15 AM  
Programmer Cat:
/knows that Elric could make Drizzt his biatch

Oh c'mon... that's just wishful thinking. I love Elric, too, but Drizzt would make mincemeat of him before he could pull his sword out of its scabbard or mutter a spell (which would prove fruitless against Drizzt anyway). Personally, I'd like to see Solomon Kane take them both down, but I know it wouldn't happen. I'd just have to placate myself knowing that they'd both go to hell after they died.

CatholicSamurai

You're right about Batman vs. Capt. America, but it would have to be an honorable fight, and no time for Batman to prepare. If Batman was tracking Cap in order to kill him, Cap would die. A closer contest would be Batman vs. Daredevil, but Batman would win that one, too. Batman has had more writers than any other fictional character in history, and they all honed their writing skills making him win, even when the odds were against him.
 
2005-03-18 11:34:30 AM  
The same way the Emporer sensed that Vader was going to grab him from behind and throw his ass down a well?

Wolverine is an obvious enemy, Vader was an obvious ally. Anyway, Vader was kicking Luke's arse moments before.. it was kind of a split second decision.

Force lightning doesn't even burn clothing (it barely makes it smolder) as evidenced by several scenes.

But it kept Anakin's arse down on the ground in Episode II for a good 2-3 minutes. Granted, he's a pussy, but the point is it doesn't burn, it disables.

This nerd fight is fun, and killing time at work. Yay!
 
2005-03-18 11:35:28 AM  
onew0rd:

For the record, Superman can move very fast. Say a random Jedi on one side and an expert marksman with an adamantium bullet loaded rifle. So batman told him that jedi can use mental powers, so to be careful, so superman just flies at ungodly speed towards the jedi (spinning the earth on it's axis type of speed). Force powers or not, even from a couple of hundred feet, the jedi has no chance to react and Superman will simply rip his head off. Then just as fast, Superman could hurl the Jedi's head at the marksman so fast that it would burst into flames on the way there and the burning jedi skull would fly into the marksman at such devastating speed, it would kill him instantly. So even if Adamantium and a lightsaber could penetrate Superman's skin, we'll never really know. Now, if you gave a lightsaber to Flash...

I object! Jedi or Sith for that matters could anticpate the future few moments ahead and therefore, could get out of the way before superman rams into them. The Jedi then, could simply use the force to raise superman and do all kinds of tricks (stun, force scream, etc etc) and then use the lightsaber to cut him down.

/Plays KOTOR:SL
//Stands down his geek alert
 
2005-03-18 11:35:31 AM  
null


I mean, the scythe and sword cut atoms apart and cut the life from a body, and we know there's no defense against Death, so....


No defense against Death? Tell it to Simon Belmont.
 
2005-03-18 11:36:55 AM  
icy_one:f it weren't for the laws of moviedom, Jedis wouldn't even exist. Woah, paradox!

gahhhhh paradox i'm melting into a pile of nerd soup nooooo...
 
2005-03-18 11:37:14 AM  
SpiffyandRedhot:

This is kind of a moot arguement. You are assuming that anything made of adamantium would get close enough to a lightsaber to even test everyones theories on the subject.

To get a lightsaber, you have to be a Jedi, or Sith. Both are trained in the Force. Think Darth Maul vs Wolverine... why bother swinging a lightsaber when you can just force choke the bejeezus out of someone, or bury them under a pile of rubble, simply by thinking it?

Excuse me, my pocket protector is showing.



What is the Force considered? If it is some kind of mental power, then Wolverine has probably had enough shielding from mental attacks to stop it?

A true geek fight would be between who is regonized as the greatest Force weilder and someone like Phoenix. Someone who is supposedly supposted to be the most in-tuned to the power of the universe vs someone who is the manifestation of the power of the universe.
 
2005-03-18 11:37:17 AM  
Building a light saber is much simpler than it sounds. First, as far as materials go, there are a number of different things which you need to consider. What color do you want your light saber to be? In my opinion, its best to have one that brings out the color of your eyes. Light saber color relies exclusively on the color of the magnetic crystals that you use. I usually use Covergirl #47 Fire Engine Red, but the choice is up to you. You will also need some sort of handle and light source---I recommend a cardboard handle, as it is usually the easiest to find, but again, the choice is yours. I have seen light saber handles made from wood, Chinese finger traps, a pair of Elvis' TCB sunglass frames, and even the state of Vermont, so have fun! For a light source, you can use a simple flashlight.

Place one of your magnetic crystals on your flashlight, but DO NOT TURN THE FLASHLIGHT ON YET, OR YOU WILL SEND OUT AN INFINITE BEAM OF LIGHT THAT WILL CUT THE UNIVERSE IN TWO. Place the other crystal three feet above the flashlight---if the magnetic frequencies line up, you should have yourself a crystal hovering in the air directly above your light source and handle. What causes a light saber to work is the light going from one magnetic crystal to another, and reflecting directly back into the first crystal. I know its difficult to follow, but this is the very essence of the intensity that causes light sabers to be so bright that they attract a shadow of dark matter wherever they go. Turn it on, and let er rip!

The one danger of staging a light saber battle, I should warn you, is coming into contact with a person who has a light saber with the same magnetic frequencies as you. If this happens, both of your top magnetic crystals will fall off (or cancel each other out), and THEY WILL BOTH BECOME INFINITE BEAMS OF LIGHT THAT WILL CUT THE UNIVERSE IN TWO. A safe way to combat this is to test you and your friends light sabers out before you battle each other to the death. Also remember that light sabers can be used to cauterize wounds and make toast.

http://www.lostinfront.com/cogs/duax/101302.html
 
2005-03-18 11:38:02 AM  
WAIT, Lets save all of you from a nerdy hell and answer an old question

Mike Ditka would beat hurricane Ditka. This is because the hurricane is actually just trying to be as cool as the real Mike Ditka. Ditka would just own the hurricane by the same name. It would be interesting to watch. Now the real question is, who would win the indy 500? Jeff Gordin, or DAAA' Bears Bus? Keep in mind that Ditka is driving the bus. I will give you a bit of time to decide before giving my input
 
2005-03-18 11:38:03 AM  
Null I'd have to check my sources but I believe that the Ribbon from FF protects against death/stone/sleep/poison/confusion.
 
2005-03-18 11:38:17 AM  
So who is whipping out the Magic cards?
 
2005-03-18 11:38:48 AM  
Yes, but could a lightsaber or adamantium claws cut the ring? Could Frodo's quest be ended by a jedi?

Ohh that's a whole new can of worms but I think lightsaber yes, adamantium no. Some lousy lava can melt that ring; I would like to think a lightsaber could too.
 
2005-03-18 11:39:25 AM  
Programmer Cat:

null

I mean, the scythe and sword cut atoms apart and cut the life from a body, and we know there's no defense against Death, so....

No defense against Death? Tell it to Simon Belmont.



Dude... you stand in the corner and throw cross boomerangs. If you are in a castle and trying to get body parts, just dodge the scythes and throw crystals.

/Flame whip, fool.
 
2005-03-18 11:39:29 AM  
Kangaroo_Ralph

Oh c'mon... that's just wishful thinking. I love Elric, too, but Drizzt would make mincemeat of him before he could pull his sword out of its scabbard or mutter a spell (which would prove fruitless against Drizzt anyway).

Maybe, maybe not. I only read one Salvatore novel, compared to grabbing everything by Moorcock that I could. Personally, I think Richard Rahl could pwn both their asses if he's in his "I'm going to kick some frkking ass" mode and not his "let's channel Ayn Rand" mode.
 
2005-03-18 11:40:54 AM  
CatholicSamurai - The real freaking travesty in Marvel VS DC that Cap lost to Batman. I'm sorry, but DC writers write their chracters like they are indestructable. Cap should have won that freaking match, and the voters who voted for Batman are complete idiots.

At last, we agree on something! Batman has devoted himself to several disciplines including criminology, escape artistry, running Wayne Enterprises, etc. Captain America knows nothing but combat. Batman may be willing to cheat, but Captain America is willing to kill and that's a far more effective way of winning a fight.

Master of the Flying Guillotine

What the hell kind of fanboy are you?! In a fight against anyone, Batman always wins!

A friend of mine once said, "Batman will always win a fight because Batman cheats."


Two words: Broken Back.
 
2005-03-18 11:40:59 AM  
"If a Jedi wasn't held down by the laws of moviedom, I still think that the Jedi would come out on top over Wolverine."

Although I understand and agree with you to a certain extent, for the purposes of debate you gotta take what ya get. So movies are to be based as fact and therefor we have to assume that a Jedi/Sith will perform exactly as they do on screen. Otherwise we are merely making stuff up to support our positions...

Wolverine also is poorly written from time to time...

Executioners Song:
Wolverine; "Took a point blank shot from Gauntlet, ribs shattered lung punctured, gimme sec for my healing factor to kick in.."

Marvel did retract the scene though so his adamantium is still unbreakable.
 
2005-03-18 11:41:04 AM  
Ugh...the nerdiness. My head asplode.
 
2005-03-18 11:41:16 AM  
CatholicSamurai

Dude... you stand in the corner and throw cross boomerangs. If you are in a castle and trying to get body parts, just dodge the scythes and throw crystals.

Cross boomerangs? Screw that. I just get in the bastard's face and whip his arse.

/never uses those silly items. just the whip, or the sword if playing SOTN...
 
2005-03-18 11:43:35 AM  
CatholicSamurai
Remember how disoriented Obi-wan was when Alderaan was destroyed? Imagine how bad off a Jedi would be when Dark Phoenix absorbs a star. Dark Phoenix wins, easily.
/Unless DP turned back into Jean Grey, then the mind trick or healing Force powers may change the outcome.
 
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