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2005-03-18 9:57:27 AM  
Wow. That's a lot of real physics being applied to fictional devices.

Cartoon physics (Gravity doesn't take effect until you look down)
Cat physics (If you stare at a refrigerator long enough, eventually someone will open it and give you something)
And now Fark Physics? The world is truly a wonderful place.
2005-03-18 9:57:55 AM  
filthy assistant

Wow - so you understand geekiness and you have a Scottish accent? Man. Too bad I am getting married in a month... ;)
2005-03-18 9:59:35 AM  
Nerd - someone who considers whether a lightsaber can cut adamtium

SuperNerd - someone who, besides the films, brings animated versions and novels in as canonically supporting evidence

Normal - what everyone else is and you are not

/my heart just isn't in it
2005-03-18 9:59:50 AM  
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You guys are retarded! GOSH!
2005-03-18 10:00:09 AM  
Real Name: Steven Rogers
Occupation: crimefighter, (former) freelance artist
Legal Status: Citizen of the United States with no criminal record
Identity: Secret
Other Aliases: Nomad, the Captain
Place of Birth: New York City
Marital Status: Single
Known Relatives: Joseph (father, deceased), Sara (mother, deceased)
Group Affiliation: Former member of the Invaders, former partner to Bucky, the Falcon, and Nomad, current member of the Avengers
Base of Operations: New York City
First Appearance: CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS #1 (1941)

History: Steve Rogers was born during the Depression and grew up a frail youth in a poor family. His father died when he was a child, his mother when he was in his late teens. Horrified by newsreel footage of the Nazis in Europe, Rogers was inspired to try to enlist in the Army. However, because of his frailty and sickness, he was rejected. Overhearing the boy's earnest plea to be accepted, General Chester Phillips of the U.S. Army offered Rogers the opportunity to take part in a special experiment called Operation: Rebirth. Rogers agreed and was taken to a secret laboratory in Washington, D.C. where he was introduced to Dr. Abrahan Erskine (code named: Prof. Reinstein), the creator to the Super-Soldier formula.

After weeks of tests, Rogers was at last administered the Super-Soldier serum. Given part of the compound intravenously and another part orally, Rogers was then bombarded by "vita-rays," a special combination of exotic (in 1941) wavelengths of radiation designed to accelerate and stabilize the serum's effect on his body. Steve Rogers emerged from the vita-ray chamber with a body as perfect as a body can be and still be human. A Nazi spy who observed the experiment murdered Dr. Erskine mere minutes after its conclusion. Erskine died without fully committing the Super-Soldier formula to paper, leaving Steve Rogers the Sole beneficiary of his genius.

Roger was then put through an intensive physical and tactical training program,teaching him gymnastics, hand-to-hand combat and military strategy. Three months later, he was given his first assignment, to stop the Nazi agent called the Red Skull. To help him become a symbolic counterpart to the Red Skull, Rogers was given the red, white, and blue costume of Captain America.

During the war, he served as both a symbol of freedom and America's most effective special operative. Then, during the final days of the war, he was trying to stop a bomb-loaded drone-plane launched by Nazi technician Baron Heinrich Zemo when the plane exploded, killing his partner Bucky; and throwing him unhurt into icy Arctic waters. The Super-Soldier formula prevented crystallization of Captain America's bodily fluid, allowing him to enter a state of suspended animation. Decades later, he was rescued by the newly-formed Avengers and became a cornerstone of the team. His might undiminished. Captain America remains a symbol of liberty and justice.

Height: 6 ft. 2 in.
Weight: 240 lbs.
Eyes: Blue
Hair: Blond

Strength Level: Captain America represents the pinnacle of human physical perfection. While not superhuman, he is as strong as a human being can be. He can lift (press) a maximum of 800 pounds with supreme effort.

Known Superhuman Powers: Known

Abilities: Captain America has agility, strength, speed, endurance, and reaction time superior to any Olympic athlete who ever competed. The Super-Soldier formula that he has metabolized has enhanced all of his bodily functions to the peak of human efficiency. Notably, his body eliminates the excessive build-up of fatigue-producing poisons in his muscles, granting him phenomenal endurance.

Captain America has mastered the martial art of American-style boxing and judo, and has combined these disciplines with his own unique hand-to-hand style of combat. He engages in a daily regimen of rigorous exercise (including aerobics, weight lifting, gymnastics, and simulated combat) to keep himself in peek condition. Captain America is one of the finest human combatants Earth has ever known.

Limitations: Captain America is subject to all human vulnerabilities, although his immunity to diseases is extraordinary.

Weapons: Captain America's only weapon is his shield, a concave disk 2.5 feet in diameter, weighing 12 pounds. It is made of a unique Vibranium-Adimantium alloy that has never been duplicated. The Shield was cast by American metallurgist Dr. Myron MacLain, who was contracted by the U.S. government to create an impenetrable substance to use for tanks during World War II. During his experiments, MacLain combined Vibranium with an Adamantium-steel alloy he was working with and created the disc-shaped shield. MacLain was never able to duplicate the process due to his inability identify a still unknown factor that played a role in it. The shield was awarded to Captain America by the government several months after the beginning of his career.

The shield has great aerodynamic properties: it is able to slice through the air with minimal wind resistance and deflection of path. Its great overall resilience, combined with its natural concentric stiffness, enables it to rebound from objects with minimal loss of angular momentum. It is virtually indestructible: it is resistant to penetration, temperature extremes, and the entire electromagnetic spectrum of radiation. The only way it can be damaged in any way is by tampering with its molecular bonding.
2005-03-18 10:00:53 AM  
I've been wondering something.

Is adamantium some kind of amorphous metal? There has been research into amorphous metals (with a structure not unlike glass) that have nearly 100% elasticity. A ball bearing dropped on a piece of amorphous steel from 1 foot will bounce for about a minute and a half. Normal stainless steel becomes "pitted" when a ball bearing is dropped in this manner, while ASTeel doesn't take such damage. It seems if you combined certain alloys, especially one with an "Ice-9" like quality of raising the melting point past an ungodly temperature once it cools, into an amorphous structure, we can have a workable version of adamantium. Of course, said amorphous structure probably lowers the melting point...

Back to the topic, Lightsaber(sabre?) vs. Adamantium, Lightsaber wins.

/nerd off
//why yes ladies, I'm single
2005-03-18 10:01:23 AM  
The answer is no. Adamantium is indestructible, and light sabers can NOT cut through anything. There are a couple of materials mentioned in the book immune to light sabers.
2005-03-18 10:01:34 AM  

Sorry, but you and whatever clown wrote that piece doesn't know their geek trivia. This is taken from Avengers Annual 2001:

Edwin Jarvis: "No, there's no adamantium in Captain America's shield, though the confusion is understandable. He (Dr. McClain) was attempting to bond a sample of Wakandan vibranium to a new steel alloy, without success...and awoke to find the metals had bonded. He tried for decades to re-create his miracle metal, but the closest he was able to come was his far later creation, adamantium. So it's understandable that people occasionally confuse Dr. McClain's two great discoveries. But it's no more than that, the shield pre-dates adamantium by decades."

Adamantium was created in Avengers #66 (1966) at which point the shield had been in use for over 25 years.

/I know this isn't really important, but sometimes a man has to stand up for what's right
2005-03-18 10:01:52 AM  
Could God make an adamantium rock so big he couldn't lift if with a light saber?
2005-03-18 10:03:15 AM  
The bullet George Reeves blew himself away with must have been made of admantium.

And for the record, this thread kicks ass and there is such a thing as comic book and Star Wars geeks who fall within their recommended weight limit, have their own place and have plenty of sex. Well, a fair amount of sex anyway. Ok, I haven't had sex in a month, get off my back!
2005-03-18 10:03:39 AM  
If you had an octarine gem in your lightsaber, you could probably cut through the admantium, or turn it into a bunch of geraniums... but very few people could see the blade.

if your lightsaber projected warp particles, you could bend spacetime in such a way as to snap the admantium like a twig. I suppose it would have to be made with a dilithium crystal.

and finally:

if you were to tune your lightsaber to project a finite improbability field of sufficient strength, you could turn the admantium into spaghetti- making it quite easy to break... but I am not sure what type of chrystal you would use... we could probably figure out the probability of finding one though...
2005-03-18 10:03:49 AM  

Or Atmospherium? It has powers that have yet to be discoverd by Science!

I bow to you Sir...

//I'm a scientist, I don't believe in anything
2005-03-18 10:04:11 AM  
Stop talking about comic books or I'll kill you.
I don't care if the Hulk could defeat the Man of Steel.
I'm gonna rearrange your face if you continue to debate
whether Logan's claws could pierce
Steve Roger's shield.
I just couldn't care less if they bring back Kraven,
and I don't care if Spiderman's a clone.
Stop spending all our cash on back issues of the Flash,
or I swear to God you're gonna spend
your twilight years alone.
Okay, you can call them graphic novels,
but they're still just plain old comic books to me,
and I don't see why you must always ceaselessly discuss
the post-Zero hour continuity.
For the last time I won't read those Kirby X-men.
You know that I prefer the work he did for DC.
And if you don't want to die
you'll lose that Overstreet Price Guide,
Comic Buyer's Guide, and Wizard Magazine,
but please get the new Invisibles for me.

--Ookla the Mok, Stop Talking about Comic Books or I'll Kill You
2005-03-18 10:04:31 AM  
2005-03-18 10:04:55 AM  

Hardly knew 'im!

Thank you, goodinght!
2005-03-18 10:05:01 AM  
Adamantium is created through the mixing of certain chemical resins whose composition is a United States government secret. For eight minutes after the resins are mixed, the Adamantium can be molded into a particular shape as long as it is kept at a temperature of 1,500 degrees Fahrenheit. After this brief period the process of creating Adamantium is completed. The extremely stable molecular structure of the Adamantium prevents it from being molded further, even if the temperature remains high enough to keep it in liquefied form. Only a device called a Molecular Rearranger can alter the form of hardened Adamantium.

The question is does a lightsaber qualify as a "molecular rearranger"?
2005-03-18 10:05:11 AM  
OK so what's the chemical composition of adamantium?
2005-03-18 10:05:25 AM  
Can we get some pictures of the poster, preferably as Princess Leia, circa Bubba Fet slave.
2005-03-18 10:05:25 AM  
Actually, cortosis (according to d20 game mechanics, anyway..:) only causes the lightsaber to shut down... 'shorting it out' so to speak. Cortosis armor/weapons still don't get their hardness or damage reduction vs. a saber.
2005-03-18 10:05:31 AM  
Okay, the answer is simple...

1. A Lightsaber "can cut through any solid object, with the exception of ... (cortosis, etc.)" Adamantium is _not_ on the list.
2. Adamantium is _not_ unbreakable, it's "nigh unbreakable", by the standard Marvel vernacular. Colossus's steel hide was also "nigh invulnerable", and he was quite vulnerable. Hence, adamantium is breakable. (NERD ALERT: For the trully nerdy, S'ym broke one of Wolvie's claws in Limbo, and both Uru and Adamantium-Vibranium alloy (the stuff Cap's shield is made of) are stated to be stronger- hence, since two unbreakable materials would be equally strong, adamantium must be breakable).
3. Most importantly, Lightsabers are from Star Wars, which has more fanboys than Marvel.

Lightsaber wins.

Now, for a more complicated question, if you balanced Captain America's shield on edge against Wolverine's claws and started wiling on it with Thor's hammer, what would happen...?

//total slashwhore
2005-03-18 10:06:23 AM  
filthy assistant

girls like the one in this thread are few and far between, mugato. but we're generally already taken by guys like the ones in this thread so... ;)

/proud geek love

Oh man, and you're Scottish too. You're killing me, I hope you're happy.
2005-03-18 10:06:50 AM  
2005-03-18 10:03:15 AM Mugato

The bullet George Reeves blew himself away with must have been made of admantium.

Actually, I think he just threw a gun up in the air and stood under it.
2005-03-18 10:07:29 AM  
I really want to know, so I'm asking again:

Can lightsabers cut through other lightsabers? And if so, by what mechanism?
2005-03-18 10:08:05 AM  
Knights of the Old Republic doesn't do Cortosis Weave correctly.

You can't cut through Cortosis with a lightsaber because it sets up an energy feedback that turns off a lightsaber when it comes in contact.
2005-03-18 10:08:51 AM  
Whether or not a light saber can cut through adamantium is unimportant!

Question is; can a light saber cut cheese?

And not just the runny stuff, any cheese really, evenly and in nice thin slices.
2005-03-18 10:09:00 AM  
Captain America's shield is the only instance of True Adamantium, which is Adamantium mixed with an unknown agent that no one witnessed mixing. The lightsaber wouldn't touch the Cap's shield (a nuclear explosion directly on top of it would leave a scratch, maybe), but the lightsaber would own regular adamantium.

/has 30-40 year old Marvel character books
2005-03-18 10:09:45 AM  
I know that SLASH'EM (Super Lotsa Added Stuff (Net)Hack -- Extended Magic) had lightsabers, but I'm not sure it had adamantium armor. Anyway, even in games that feature adamantium, it's usually not the strongest armor...

/SLASH'EM also had darksabers. I know! Yeah, I'm a roguelike geek.
//But, getting married by the end of the year, so bite me
2005-03-18 10:09:54 AM  

That's the gazzilion dollar question. See my above post for speculation.
2005-03-18 10:10:12 AM  
"Adamantium" comes from the word "adamant" which is a very old word for diamond, which is by a huge amount the hardest substance known to man, but diamonds can be destroyed with a (relatively) small amount of heat (6900 degrees F.)

Assuming adamantium is simply diamond, if a lightsaber can generate that much heat it should be able to destroy it--however, there is a catch. Diamond is (depending on its purity and makeup of the type of carbon atoms) a superconductor of heat. So a lightsaber at, say, 7000 degrees F. might not melt through, the adamantium might sink the heat away and cook Wolfman's flesh from the inside long before the whole skeleton reached the melting point. Even with his super mutant healing abilities, I submit that if his skeleton was heated to even a relativly low 2000 degrees, it would roast all the cells in his body and leave nothing left alive to start the regeneration process.

How's that for geekiness?
2005-03-18 10:10:32 AM  
2005-03-18 10:08:51 AM Zingraff

Whether or not a light saber can cut through adamantium is unimportant!

Question is; can a light saber cut cheese?

And not just the runny stuff, any cheese really, evenly and in nice thin slices.

What do you want, Miracles?!
2005-03-18 10:10:43 AM  
On the other hand, my dad may have answered this one years ago...

Q. What happens when an unstoppable force meets an immovable object?

A. An unbelievable mess.
2005-03-18 10:11:16 AM  
BillCosby... go for the handle...
2005-03-18 10:11:31 AM  
Lightsabers and adamantium are silly. If Batman and James Bond got into a fight, who would win?

And Captain America's shield is stronger than Wolverine's claws. Everyone knows that. :-P
2005-03-18 10:11:32 AM  
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2005-03-18 10:12:40 AM  
you guys know that neither of them are real right?
2005-03-18 10:12:55 AM  
Since my "adamantium can't be re-melted" and "adamantium could be cortosis weave" arguments have been used, I have to use another one! lol

NineInchNader: Which leads me to ask... Adamantium is ferrous? Wolverine is gonna rust, or WTF?

Magneto isn't restricted to ferrous metals. He's able to control magnetic fields in general, not just metals that have magnetic properties. As a result, really, his powers have a LOT more potential than just manipulating metals.
2005-03-18 10:13:24 AM  
For the record, Superman can move very fast. Say a random Jedi on one side and an expert marksman with an adamantium bullet loaded rifle. So batman told him that jedi can use mental powers, so to be careful, so superman just flies at ungodly speed towards the jedi (spinning the earth on it's axis type of speed). Force powers or not, even from a couple of hundred feet, the jedi has no chance to react and Superman will simply rip his head off. Then just as fast, Superman could hurl the Jedi's head at the marksman so fast that it would burst into flames on the way there and the burning jedi skull would fly into the marksman at such devastating speed, it would kill him instantly. So even if Adamantium and a lightsaber could penetrate Superman's skin, we'll never really know. Now, if you gave a lightsaber to Flash...

2005-03-18 10:13:28 AM  

You win.
2005-03-18 10:13:28 AM  

Is that from the "Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe" series that ran circa 1982-83?

I have the entire collection in a box among some other early 80's goodies (about 400 in all).

/wonders what it's all worth
2005-03-18 10:13:33 AM  
If threatened with a lightsaber or an adamantium weapon, your best defense is the threaten to use the Corbomite Device.

/adding another mythology to the discussion
2005-03-18 10:14:09 AM  
2005-03-18 10:03:39 AM Pro Zack

No crystal needed for the Improbability Field. Just a Golden Bail. The question, then, is "Would the Lightsaber look like a running shoe?"
2005-03-18 10:14:25 AM  
Wolvarine must be able to survive high temperatures - since he survived the molten adamantium being applied to his skeleton...
2005-03-18 10:14:47 AM  
This thread should be about what it is like to be a 30+ year old virgin because there are obviously TONS adding their comments. BTW, sticking a lightsaber up your ass doesn't count.
2005-03-18 10:14:48 AM  
This thread is certainly the pinnacle of the internet, what it's nerdy architects had one day envisioned. God bless America.

*sheds tear*

This just needed to be restated and slightly modified to include pron... other than that, keep geeking folks!

/back to lurking due to lack of geeky knowledge
//funny thread though
2005-03-18 10:15:11 AM  
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2005-03-18 10:15:29 AM  
For some reason I read "cut through an aquarium", which is a much more interesting question.

/superheros are lame
//except Orgazmo
2005-03-18 10:16:31 AM  
And btw, the Drizzt Do'Urden book collection is a great joke from an old photoshop contest . . . does anyone have that thread?
2005-03-18 10:16:33 AM  
woodstock827- Goku can block both adamantium and lightsabre, and kill yoda with his spirit bomb

And here I thought the Spirit Bomb only worked on people. I gotta watch more DBZ
2005-03-18 10:17:59 AM  

I really want to know, so I'm asking again:

Can lightsabers cut through other lightsabers? And if so, by what mechanism?

Well, if you read all the EU crap, a red lightsaber (Christ, I can't believe I'm writing this instead of working) has an (sigh) artificial crystal in it that's supposedly stronger than the natural crystals used by the Jedi. So maybe a Sith's saber blade cut cut through a Jedi's. I don't know what is the implication of Mace Winu's purple saber.

But then the Dark Side is overall stronger. Sure Yoda will tell you different but who is ruling the galaxy and who is sitting in a swamp? Oh, he gets to be a ghost when he dies. Ok.
2005-03-18 10:18:01 AM  
The original shield was a hybrid... the original shield is what it is, no matter what writer changes it to be.

It has adamantium and Klaw's hard-on vribro metal in it. End of discussion.
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