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2005-02-11 02:53:12 PM  
Just please keep it to yourself. That is all.

Well, that's a bit difficult... gospel literally means "good news", and who doesn't want to spread good news?

Once we learn of the lack of "ears to hear" as it were, we gladly turn and walk away. Leastwise my kind and I do, though admittedly we we seldom knock the dust from our shoes.

But until we know what a person may or may not want to hear, why deprive us of the chance to bring good news to another who perhaps wishes to partake?
 
2005-02-11 02:53:20 PM  
Get it over with a suck off holly_wright now so we can continue flaming Zealots. Male gays are still gross.
I'm no homophobe thought. just think its gross.
 
2005-02-11 02:55:15 PM  
The Bible relates the story of how the rebellious Satan is farking things up for Mankind, with the latter's help of course, being cut from the same type of prideful cloth. Judging by history's past 6000 years of Man's inability to properly govern himself, let alone others, I'd say the precept is not to be lightly dismissed.

But Satan was an Angel first, an "employee" of God. How did he become as/more powerful than God? If he didn't why does God allow him to do what he does?

It's one thing to say that evil things happen in the world, it another to say that Satan makes them happen, as that implies that God is a-ok with that.
 
2005-02-11 02:55:36 PM  
The real "good news" is that in 30 years all the zealots will have died out and some progress might actually happen in the US.
 
2005-02-11 02:56:41 PM  
"There has been quite a demand by the religious community to bring [the film] back for Easter," Bruce Davey, Gibson's partner at Icon Productions, told Variety.

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"We got hosed, Tommy. We got hosed."
 
2005-02-11 02:56:46 PM  
Just for the sake of clarity, do you believe the earth is no older than 6,000 years?

For the record, I often use the term "6000 years of history" merely as a metaphorical reference to the written history of mankind.

I believe it's been said that civilization first arose somewhere around that time, but if it turns out to be more like 7000 or 5000 years ago, my original point still stands.
 
2005-02-11 02:57:15 PM  
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2005-02-11 02:57:18 PM  
I found Mike_71

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2005-02-11 02:58:19 PM  
LoveInAction:

Well, that's a bit difficult... gospel literally means "good news", and who doesn't want to spread good news?

Once we learn of the lack of "ears to hear" as it were, we gladly turn and walk away. Leastwise my kind and I do, though admittedly we we seldom knock the dust from our shoes.

But until we know what a person may or may not want to hear, why deprive us of the chance to bring good news to another who perhaps wishes to partake?


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What is so hard to understand about that? To lots of people you're spreading hate, not good news.
 
2005-02-11 02:59:20 PM  
I think everyone in this thread needs some tea and cookies.

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It's Friday. Relax.
 
F42
2005-02-11 02:59:57 PM  
walkingtall:

Mythology is a whole nother kettle of fish. Jesus was stated as a living breathing person and the people who actually interacted with him were the ones making the claim. Not hundreds of years later after many retellings. Different concept.


Wow, now I understand why you complain that people call you dumb. Sheesh.

Heracles was not only considered to have been a living, breathing person, but he had descendants, a whole bunch of 'em in fact.

Your mythology is still mythology Bub, and your holy writings were still written/copied/translated/copied/translated/copied/rinse/repeat hundreds of years later. Just because you buy one and not the other doesn't make one any less of a mythology based around hearsay.
 
2005-02-11 03:00:48 PM  
LoveInAction

Because it's rude. Wait until you're asked. Think of it like drowning a sack full of kittens. To someone that is good news; to others, well, we have no desire to hear about it.

Also, you didn't actually answer my question about the earth being 6,000 years old. I have no intention of attacking you if you say yes. Like I said, it's just for clarity. But it was a "yes" or "no" question.
 
2005-02-11 03:01:04 PM  
Well, it's been a joy, darlings, but I really must go for the day. I just looked outside and I think Jack VanImpe must be right- The Rapture is upon us (and not in the year 2000 like he originally thought. Gee, I wonder if all those people who bought his apocalpse books before 2000 got their money back?) and I'm seeing large numbers of ignorant jackasses disappearing right before my very eyes.

Here's a question to leave with the Christians: How do you know that the Bible is the proper Word of the proper God? How do you know that Satan isn't the name of the real God and creator, and that God and Jesus aren't the evil ones and their Bible and religion aren't just a devious attempt to steer you away from the one, true God? Perhaps this Jehovah is the REAL bad guy, and he's been using his power to deceive all the mortals into thinking that the truly benevolent one (Lucifer) was the bad guy?

Of course, I believe it's all just a stupid fairy tale, but if you're going to believe it, you had better be sure you're not being lied to by one of these cosmic beings. How can you tell your thoughts are real if you're dealing with creatures that can do ANYTHING?

I don't hate Christians. I hate people who use their religion to hurt others, fulfill selfish goals, or gain power over others. Unfortunately, so far this has described every Christian I have ever met.

Ultimately, in the end, they believe because they are terrified and want power over that which scares them.

So I don't hate Christians as a foregone conclusion. I pity them for being so needy that they can't think for themselves, no matter how much they believe they're doing so.

Until later, kiddies; It's been fun stirring this pot and watching what sort of chunks float around in it. Sometimes it's necessary to stir vigorously until you can pick out the meat from the filler.
 
2005-02-11 03:01:06 PM  
2005-02-11 02:57:18 PM ChronicMasturbator

I found Mike_71

I pronounce ChronicMasturbator as winner of this thread.
 
2005-02-11 03:01:09 PM  
SherKhan, I shall forever hold you in the highest of regard, since time years past, did first mine eyes fall upon your "worthless" words.
 
2005-02-11 03:01:10 PM  
I believe it's been said that civilization first arose somewhere around that time, but if it turns out to be more like 7000 or 5000 years ago, my original point still stands.


Actually there is significant research that suggests that highly civilized mankind existed as far back as 15 000 years. See "Finger Prints of the Gods". The evidence is quite compelling. But you can only read if you remove your head from your A$$....I'm looking at you WalkingTall and Love in Action.
 
2005-02-11 03:02:38 PM  
LoveInAction

"Umm, how's that fair?"

Ummm, by mentioning the flaws of BOTH sides, and not just those of Xtians.


A true atheist is the same as a fire and brimstone religious fundamentalist. A true athiest says that there is no god. Extreme religious fundamentalists believe that there is a god and they are so blessed with intimate knowledge of god's will that they can say or do anything they consider god's will.

Ummm....actually the relgious fundamentalists are a lot more scary but both groups deal in absolutes and self righteousness.
 
2005-02-11 03:02:46 PM  
ipsiad:

I think everyone in this thread needs some tea and cookies.

More like:

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2005-02-11 03:02:49 PM  
Onward Christian Soldiers, Marching As To War
With Your Crosses Of Freedom
Like You've Done Oft Times Before

Kill The (other) Infidel!
God Chose George Bush for you and the world!
He blesses your guns and wants you to kill for him!
 
2005-02-11 03:02:56 PM  
You mean "W" ISN'T Christ? But Fox News keeps telling me he is. Cheney is God and Condoliesalot is Mary Mag because they'd ALL hit it!

I liked it a lot better when she DIDN'T smile. She's like a bastard child of David Letterman and Ophra!

/shudder
 
2005-02-11 03:03:12 PM  
do christians believe in zombies?

Not only do they believe in them but they (and your) can blow the hell out of them.
 
2005-02-11 03:03:21 PM  
Man. Just SAYING the name Jesus brings out the Hate.

And it's always the people who HATE Christians.

Seriously. Go through the thread. Count negative things said about religion or religious people. Now count the negative things said about non-religious people.

Just a tad lopsided.

Generally speaking, I find that most 'religous' people could care less whether YOU believe. But will get awful riled up when YOU insult what THEY believe.
 
F42
2005-02-11 03:03:44 PM  
walkingtall: The same God is in the old and new testament. There is no difference.


Yaveh says stone sinners, Jesus says don't stone sinners.

Can't help but notice that these two statements are not identical...
 
2005-02-11 03:04:44 PM  
I was just thinking about this today. To have a true seperation of church and state, would it be a wise decision to have a athiest Supreme Court, Congress, and President? That way religion has no impact on anything (gay marriage, tax breaks). Or, do we need to have religion in our government for balance? Would religious institutions be the same or different?
 
2005-02-11 03:04:48 PM  
SEAN007
"Dykes are perfectly natural and beautiful...as long as thier hot. Male homosexuality is just plain gross. "

That is very much up for debate.

Dude, have you ever seen the Dykes of Bikes part of the SF Pride parade? Not all dykes are the "lesbians" you see in porn made for heterosexual men.

And i actually had a conversation with a retrogothbisexual grrl like our good holly here who said how much she used to enjoy "getting baked with her roomates and watching gay porn", ie, gay men, because they thought it was hot.
 
2005-02-11 03:05:16 PM  
Get it over with a suck off holly_wright now so we can continue flaming Zealots. Male gays are still gross.
I'm no homophobe thought. just think its gross.


That's OK, darling. I'm sure the gay men think you're just as gross.

Let me ask you though- Would you sodomize a woman? If yes, then tell me how a woman's anus is so different from a man's as to be "not gross"?

Now, I'm truly going away for a bit. I'll check in later, kiddies.
 
2005-02-11 03:05:49 PM  
But Satan was an Angel first, an "employee" of God. How did he become as/more powerful than God? If he didn't why does God allow him to do what he does?

It's one thing to say that evil things happen in the world, it another to say that Satan makes them happen, as that implies that God is a-ok with that.


Actually, this has been discussed in numerous FARK threads over the past year, and I know I've seen your postings in such, so forgive me if it gets a bit tedious going over the same material in depth, especially to those who don't truly care to hear it.

Short version: Satan (and Adam) challenged God by saying that they could be "like Him" and rule things for themselves. God could easily wipe the slate clean, but that really wouldn't answer the charge leveled by Satan and Man, especially if free will truly was free will.

So there's a timetable set, a trial as it were, wherein God allows Satan and Man to prove their charge that He, God, is the liar... and that Satan can be like God and that Man can rule himself without atonement to his true Creator.

God isn't "ok" with what's going on in the world, but the free will of Satan and Man have brought Him to a challenge and a trial, one in which the whole universe watches with interest (remember, Satan was so wily that he actually convinced one-third of the realm of angels to follow him).

The timetable of the Judgment is not one easy to bear for us, and we don't truly understand the entirety of the Eternal Plan... but God is a god of justice as well as love, and there's enough there to give us hope, to know that God's original intention when He created Adam and Earth as his dwelling will come to fruition.

The travails of the earth whilst under the aegis of Satan will become a distant memory, like the forgotten pain of a childhood disease when one is a fully mature adult.
 
2005-02-11 03:06:25 PM  
BojanglesPaladin

Don't confuse hatred with a dislike of religious dogma. That's just silly. Frustration with religion does not equate hate.

Christians (and others) don't matter enough to an atheist to generate such a time-consuming emotion as "hate".

And obviously they do care. A lot. Otherwise they'd stay home, leave non-believers alone and follow the example of the atheist: Stop knocking on everyone's doors.
 
2005-02-11 03:06:34 PM  
Holly_wigt

THIS is why we don't like Christians! This whole idea that all good things are "miracales" and come from God, and all bad things are works of the devil. CAN'T YOU PEOPLE TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR YOUR OWN ACTIONS AND LIVES?

It's also frustrating because no matter what I say, no matter how much sense I make between my melodramatic metaphors, no matter how good a person I am, no matter how much I give to charity, no matter how much logic I present or wisdom I possess, all Christians will believe I'm wrong because I'm being "mislead by Satan" or some similar crap.

These are the same people that believe that an atheist who remains an unbeliever all their life will go to hell, even if they are the most generous, good person on the planet, while a mass murdering serial killer can repent on his deathbed, accept Jesus into his heart, and as long as he means it, he'll get the afterlife reward.

Gawd. Screw that. Any religion that takes words over actions needs to be retired.




This goes to the "earn your way into heaven" mentalitiy. The idea that you can be good enough to get to heaven. Unfortunately that flies in the face of the Bible. Nobody can be good enough to earn their way into heaven. We all screw up and sin. That idea of never being good enough on your own is the heart of Christianity.
 
2005-02-11 03:07:14 PM  
Thurg:

shipud,

Tacitus: Tacitus, Annals 15.44,


OK, one thing I'll have to look up.

Pliny the Younger: Pliny, Epistles x. 96,

OK, so pliny wrote to Trajan there are a bunch of people believing that their Messiah was crucified. How is that a contemporary record confirming Jesus' existence? It is not more contemporary than me writing that there is a bunch (slightly larger) of people who believe their Messaiah was crucified.


Josephus: Josephus, Antiquities 18.63-64

An obvious insert. Just read the text.

The Babylonian Talmud states clearly that Jesus was executed for practicing sorcery

That isan anti-Christian text than historical documents. It surfaced centuries after Jesus' alleged death, and is part of the religious strucggle between Jews and Christians, whom Jews considered initially to be heretics.
 
2005-02-11 03:07:21 PM  
I think walkingtall has ejected himself from this thread.
 
2005-02-11 03:08:46 PM  
Zing!
 
2005-02-11 03:10:03 PM  
I personally think all anal sex is gross, but if my girl wanted it real bad in the pooper i guess i'd let here have it.
And ya Gay men might think I'm gross.

I wan't making a value judgment...I think tuna fish is gross too.

/GOD HATES SHRIMP....but i like shrimp
 
2005-02-11 03:10:36 PM  
In response to your questions
1. Leviticus 25:44 states that I may possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can't I own Canadians?

Because they are worthless in warm weather. Sure, they're nice enough and polite, but when summer rolls around your Canadians drop like flies, and you aren't getting your deposit back.

2. I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?

It depends. How good is she with computers?

3. I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanliness - Lev.15: 19-24. The problem is how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.

Leave some chocolate lying around and see how fast it disappears. If half the box is also eaten, you have your answer.

4. When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord - Lev.1:9. The problem is, my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?

As long as you kill every living thing in their house, including any pets. Don't forget about hampsters or goldfish. God hates it when you leave things alive. Then burn their house down and salt the earth. And don't just sprinkle from a shaker, really salt it.

5. I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath.Exodus 35:2. clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself, or should I ask the police to do it?

I am sick of people trying to turn us into a Liberal nanny-state. Do it yourself (See reply #4.)

6. A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination - Lev. 11:10, it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this? Are there 'degrees' of abomination?

No. Having improper relations with a box turtle is just as bad as those overdue library books. Shame on you. God is so going to smite you. (See response #4)

7. Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle- room here?

Just to be on the safe side, have your eyes gouged out completely.

8. Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev. 19:27. How should they die?

Death by stoning is a tried and true way to do it. For added value, throw in anyone who has dared utter 'Jehova.'
(I don't count, I typed it.)

9. I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?

Football is the gayest sport ever and shouldn't be played by anyone.

10. My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev.19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? Lev.24:10-16.
Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair, like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14)


See, this is the problem with your generation. You all want to take shortcuts and cut corners. In my day, we looked forward to the community stoning. But now you kids and your music want to get rid of those values.

/Christian with a sense of humor
 
2005-02-11 03:11:00 PM  
Mogadore

That's interesting. When did FOX News tell you this? 'Cause I've watched FOX News and not once have I heard anyone say that W is Christ.

Which personality said it?

Oh, wait, are you just trying to be funny by showing us how you can type and talk out your ass at the same time?
 
2005-02-11 03:11:38 PM  
walkingtall: That idea of never being good enough on your own is the heart of Christianity.

To whoever said they were keeping track of those Mike_71 quotes, I think you should make an exception and put this one on the list, too.
 
2005-02-11 03:11:43 PM  
HOLLY_WIGHT
"Let me ask you though- Would you sodomize a woman? If yes, then tell me how a woman's anus is so different from a man's as to be "not gross"?"

I think as a priest i'm qualified to take this question.

its not about the orifice, its about the whole thing. I dont think men are attractive sexually, therefore the thought of donut punching them is not attractive either; however, curvy hairless soft female bodies are attractive, and punching that donut is a nice change of pace now and again and fun on birthdays.
 
2005-02-11 03:12:43 PM  
Holly_Wight

It's annoying when you keep using pet names like "darling."
 
2005-02-11 03:13:20 PM  
What is so hard to understand about that? To lots of people you're spreading hate, not good news.

As far as not wanting to hear certain things, lots of peoples' own consciences are their problem in that regard.

The message of the gospel is not one of hate, leastwise, not the hate of righteous things.
 
2005-02-11 03:13:38 PM  
soporific

Ha! Good one.. that made me giggle.
 
2005-02-11 03:13:38 PM  
Walkingtall: Eye for an eye refers to how to dispense justice for those in power. Let the punishment fit the crime.

Sorry to butt in, but wasn't your Jesus quoted as dismissing the whole 'eye for an eye' thing during that sermont on the mount?

/off to join the Holly_Wight fanclub
 
2005-02-11 03:13:58 PM  

Short version: Satan (and Adam) challenged God by saying that they could be "like Him" and rule things for themselves. God could easily wipe the slate clean, but that really wouldn't answer the charge leveled by Satan and Man, especially if free will truly was free will.

So there's a timetable set, a trial as it were, wherein God allows Satan and Man to prove their charge that He, God, is the liar... and that Satan can be like God and that Man can rule himself without atonement to his true Creator.

God isn't "ok" with what's going on in the world, but the free will of Satan and Man have brought Him to a challenge and a trial, one in which the whole universe watches with interest (remember, Satan was so wily that he actually convinced one-third of the realm of angels to follow him).

The timetable of the Judgment is not one easy to bear for us, and we don't truly understand the entirety of the Eternal Plan... but God is a god of justice as well as love, and there's enough there to give us hope, to know that God's original intention when He created Adam and Earth as his dwelling will come to fruition.

The travails of the earth whilst under the aegis of Satan will become a distant memory, like the forgotten pain of a childhood disease when one is a fully mature adult.


And what happened in Season 2? I'm still waiting for it on DVD.

Really man, you actually believe all this stuff?
 
2005-02-11 03:17:06 PM  
W isn't Christ, he just talks to him.
 
2005-02-11 03:17:48 PM  
walkingtall: The same God is in the old and new testament. There is no difference.


Of course there is. In the O.T. you have a transcendent, abstract, singular God. In the New Testament you have a multifaceted God, which lived, breathed,walked the earth, had a family: definitely not trancsendent, not abstract, and not singular.
 
2005-02-11 03:18:01 PM  
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"Come in Bevets, Come in Mike_71. Walkingtall is being fed to the lions. "
 
2005-02-11 03:18:04 PM  
TurnerBrown

Face it. You just like bashing christians.


Why would anyone do that?

Could you even begin to imagine what the world would be like if there were no Christians?

Why, there'd be constant wars because no one followed the whole "thou shalt not kill" and the "turn the other cheek" sayings.

Oh wait.... we have those now.

Um, let me think of another one.

Well, there'd be constant abuse of the poor, because no one would follow the "cast the money-changers out of the temple" and the "easier to thread a needle with a camel than pass a rich man through the gates of heaven" sayings.

Oh wait... that's what happens now.

Um... gee, I'm at a loss here.

Just what exactly do Christians stand for again?

/too easy.
 
2005-02-11 03:18:32 PM  
Wytchocolate: Think before you post such nonsense.

It's called a joke, scooter. Lighten up.

But it sounds to me like you're the one who decided that "whitespeak" = "rightspeak." If you're going to give me crap for a joke, make sure you check yourself. :-)

I'm just a weary atheist, tired of dogmatism on any front, here to make with t3h funny.
 
2005-02-11 03:18:37 PM  
Wow, a lot happened since I left this thread.

Holly_Wight is now my hero. Although I believe in God, she has made several great points on how the current Xtian movement and agenda is destroying the fabric of society and creating division against everyone. Religion and Sprituality are individual choices, therefore they should be private. Running around pushing tracts or agendas on people who have no desire to hear it in an effort to "save" them, is ridiculous.

Any of you Xtians that are saying that atheists,deists, agnostics, etc. are a threat, I really pity the degree of brainwashing that you have went through. Turn on your TV, look at your newspaper, google it, but I dare say that the number of people killed,maimed, or discriminated against by the aforementioned groups will be almost non-existent. Compare that to Christian or Muslim and you will see a staggering difference. If you choose to believe, keep it to your damn self or in your own circle of friends. If you turn out to be right, then you can get a good chuckle and a hearty "HAHA!" on your way up to heaven.

And to the person that asked if any of the Xtians in here supported G.W. Bush's preemptive war with Iraq and why. You already know the answer. Protect us from another evil religion, as well as "he talks to Jesus, so he has to be right".
 
F42
2005-02-11 03:18:40 PM  
I'd just like to point out one thing:

If you are pro death penalty, then you aren't a christian (what you do to the smallest you do to me, and I don't think he enjoyed being nailed to a piece of wood much).
If you approve pre-emptive military actions, you aren't christian (turn the other cheek, ye who is without sin casts the first stone).

If your beliefs are contrary to Jesus' teachings, then you are not a christian. You might go to church, you might read the bible, you might consider yourself christian, but you aren't.

Again: Bushies are not christians. They call themselves christians, much like how every politician calls himself honest, but they aren't.
 
2005-02-11 03:19:02 PM  
"Let me ask you though- Would you sodomize a woman?

(Jeopardy theme sounds in the background)

I suppose it depends upon just how demanding the harridan turns out to be... a woman with, say, YOUR will appears not to be denied.
 
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