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2005-02-11 12:04:19 PM  
Yes, I saw that abysmal movie 3 (count'em, 3) times.
1) With my fiance, because we were curious about the hype.
2) With my mother, because she is still a practicing Catholic and was interested, and I owed her a movie. (she thought it sucked, too)
3) For an anthropology class (actually comparative religion) to write an in-depth paper.

It still sucks, and no matter what kind of editing Mel does on it, unless god herself intervenes and takes all of the suck out of it, it will always suck.
 
2005-02-11 12:04:59 PM  
2005-02-11 11:55:51 AM Mr. Clarence Butterworth [TotalFark]

Another jackhole who has to insert Moore into everything. Get a life, jerko.

Thanks, I will.

[image from images.amazon.com too old to be available]

Do you know if this is the less violent version?
 
2005-02-11 12:05:08 PM  
Striperswine This is ridiculous. That movie was a work of art like The Pieta.

And if that isn't blasphemy, then ain't nothing blasphemous in this old world.

There's a reason they call you "sheep," you know.

And Jesus died for...this? That poor, dumb schmuck.

/Lord, save me from your followers. Amen.
//Raised Catholic, but I got better.
 
2005-02-11 12:05:29 PM  
Another jackhole who has to insert Moore into everything. Get a life, jerko.

I wonder if anyone has tried to insert Moore into everything?

For starters, I think he'd make a rather hefty toothbrush. Or an exceptionally painful supository.
 
2005-02-11 12:06:57 PM  
Me not christian. Me like film. See, it was about the Passion, where they nail the guy on the cross. What did you people expect? It's even in the title.
 
2005-02-11 12:07:08 PM  
Wytchocolate

Oh, so sorry, but I happen to have one of these beauties in my deck:

[image from maj.com too old to be available]
 
2005-02-11 12:08:04 PM  
dukefluke

I don't think you really care about an answer to your post, but anyway.

Jesus fullfilled hundreds of prophecies from the Old Testement, from the way he was born to how he died and came back to life. Sometimes makes me wonder how so many of His own people (Jews) missed it.
 
2005-02-11 12:09:24 PM  
I've said it before and I'll say it again. That movie was way too predictable.
 
2005-02-11 12:09:33 PM  
Personally, I like Sam Kinison's take on the whole thing.
 
2005-02-11 12:09:42 PM  
You people make me sick! Jesus must be spinning in his grave!
 
2005-02-11 12:10:02 PM  
The whole Bevets thing is played. Haven't seen his ass in a religion flame-thread in forever. Maybe we need a Mike_71 card.
 
2005-02-11 12:10:49 PM  
Most of the Christians I know are the most un-Christian like people I know. They revel in the fact that everyone but them are going to Hell and most of them I know carry guns and can't wait for an excuse to use them.

Oh and by the way, there is no such thing as a burning Hell in the Bible, jackasses. That's something the Catholic church made up to keep people in line. People are such morons about their own jackass religions. If you claim to live your life by a book then at least read the Goddamn thing.
 
2005-02-11 12:11:27 PM  
NutznGum

I'm a Christian, and that even made ME laugh.
 
2005-02-11 12:11:30 PM  
I'm telling you... Mike_71 is not coming back. He is way too busy at Seminary School.
 
2005-02-11 12:11:43 PM  
kendi823

FOR ANYONE who said the Bible doesn't talk about how horrible his torture was

That would be me, and I can still read on my own.

"(For many, the Servant of God became an object of horror; many were astonished.) His face and His whole appearance were MARRED MORE THAN ANY MAN'S, and His form beyond that of the sons of men" (Isaiah 52:14).

Isaiah is in the old testament, it is 'prophesy', not a description of actual events. And your quote isn't even accurate.
Isaiah 52 (King James vers.):
13 'Behold, my servant shall deal prudently, he shall be exalted and extolled, and be very high.'
14 'As many were astonied at thee; his visage was so marred more than any man, and his form more than the sons of men:'

Nothing along the lines of 'the Servant of God became an object of horror; many were astonished.'

Where did you find these quotes?

"His bruised and swollen face the smiting with the reed produced must have
looked more terrible when, after the crown of thorns had been pressed onto His forehead, the oozing blood made Him a pitiable sight to behold, blindfolded as he was (Luke 22:64)."


Sorry, doesn't say anything like that.
Luke 22:64 (King J. again):
'And when they had blindfolded him, they struck him on the face, and asked him, saying, Prophesy, who is it that smote thee?'

For a devout believer, you are strangely unfamiliar with your own 'holy scripture'.
 
2005-02-11 12:12:26 PM  
kendi823
Sometimes makes me wonder how so many of His own people (Jews) missed it.

ask 'em. there's a few here, i'm sure.


that's the thing about prophecy....some people are absolutely sure about nostrodamus. it all 'fits' for them.

others see the circumstances differently.

rarely is prophecy written in such a context that it isn't left wide open to interpretation. finding out how others have interpreted differently might benifity your own interpretation.
 
2005-02-11 12:13:13 PM  
HEAP
"
"It's not an adult feature unless, at the end, someone's gooey. Arcing ropes of jism hitting chins-- that is an adult feature""

Lol again!

Father Jack 0:2 Heap

arcing ropes of jism. . . bwahahaha!
 
2005-02-11 12:13:44 PM  
2005-02-11 12:07:08 PM AspiringPhilosopher [TotalFark]

Wytchocolate

Oh, so sorry, but I happen to have one of these beauties in my deck:


Yeah, you got me there. But I still have other cards in my deck

[image from img108.exs.cx too old to be available]
 
2005-02-11 12:14:33 PM  
Thomas Paine's "The Age of Reason" answers all your questions.

The only witnesses with a consistent oral or written history from the time of Jesus are the Jews, and they say it didn't happen like in the Bible.

Josephus? Paine points out how Josephus and Tacitus also credit Vespasian and Alexander the Great with parting waters and raising the dead. So why believe their (supposed) account of one miracle, but not another? (Let's all worship Vespasian as our Savior!)

The Christian dogma doesn't make logical sense. Trying to argue that the Bible happened as written is like trying to insist that the North American continent only came into existence 500 years ago, or that 2+2=5. (Hey, wait a minute...) You're trying to suggest that the evidence is on the side of events that defy all historical consistency. In other words, if God can endlessly warp the laws of time, space and causality, then you can't take anything for granted, can you, including historical records, since God couldn't changed those 5 minutes ago?
 
2005-02-11 12:15:03 PM  
father_jack

should probably score that one under the bill hicks column. just seemed like a good comparison.
 
2005-02-11 12:16:59 PM  
kendi

Jesus fullfilled hundreds of prophecies from the Old Testement, from the way he was born to how he died and came back to life. Sometimes makes me wonder how so many of His own people (Jews) missed it.

I know some Jews that would disagree.
 
2005-02-11 12:17:02 PM  
"I get heckled and called names constantly but I have a thick skin and my faith is deeper than Fark can destroy."

Oh, yes. Poor Christians. Heckled and bashed all throughout our society. Why, just the other day I saw a report on the news about a group of homosexuals hanging around outside a church with baseball bats, waiting to beat the shiat out of the people who were minding their own business, congregating inside their own building.

Oh, wait. I got that backwards. It was actually the Christians who were waiting to beat up the homosexuals outside a gay bar. My mistake.

Well, then, the story I heard about the group of abortionists standing outside a church carrying vile signs, yelling hateful things, grabbing and calling the people entering the church "murderers" and such... Oh... Wait...

It was actually the Christians standing outside a free clinic, screaming hateful things at women entering to get a pap smear, examinations, AIDS test, or- yes- an abortion, which is their legal right.

Then it MUST be the hoard of insane children's programming people picketing the church because some of the characters in the Bible were putting forth a bad moral ideal for kids. Oh, damn... That was backwards too! It was actually the Christians who declared that Tinky Winky, Spongebob Squarepants, and a host of other kids' shows are part of some evil agenda.

Well, certainly we must remember our history, when the pagans caught all the Christians, put them through bogus trials, and then burned them at the stake, hung them, drowned them, or stoned them to death for practicing their religion.

Oh, crap. I'm sorry. I'm thinking of the persecution of witches (and midwives) that was carried out by Christians. My mistake again!

Alright then... How about that clan of black atheists who rode around wearing white hoods killing Christians and burning crosses in their front yards?

Oh, wait- Again, I am mistaken. That's the Ku Klux Klan, a Christian organisation!

Hmm... There's that group of people who keep bugging the FCC, demanding that any mention of Christianity on TV or radio be punished and banned.

Oh, no- Sorry. That's a Christian organisation who wants the rest of us to stop speaking freely.

Huh. I'm sorry. I'm having trouble finding any persecution of Christians that matches what I see daily as a member of about five groups that Christians have openly declared war against. You'll forgive me if I don't weep for the poor, beleaguered Christians.

The fact is that, after years of abuse at the hands of religiously insane people, I've learned to be wary of Christians first and ask questions later. They preach love and inclusion, but practice bigotry and hatred under the guise of "fighting evil" or "family values."

Sorry. I bash Christianity because it is the worst offender in terms of bigotry, hate-mongering, and selfish manipulation of others for political, financial, or personal gain. I bash Christians because they are so desperate for something that they embrace the most illogical, ridiculous, and archaic ideas simply because someone told them to!

To me, that is the very definition of being a fool.

/Flame me; The fark if I care what you think.
 
2005-02-11 12:17:06 PM  
..and it will be UNRATED.. Why??

Because even with the cuts, it STILL got an R rating, so Mel Gibson figured what was the point of keeping the rating?
 
2005-02-11 12:19:17 PM  
Wytchocolate

A Mike_71 card?!?

You sunk my battleship!
 
2005-02-11 12:20:10 PM  
No, Mike_71!

It is you who is the idiot!

/preemptive
 
2005-02-11 12:20:42 PM  
Holly_Wight:

This is the first time I've ever said this:

Thread over, you win.
 
2005-02-11 12:21:38 PM  
I think I will liven this thread up by quoting my favorite comedian/philosopher, Bill Hicks:

"A lot of Christians wear crosses around their necks. Do you think when Jesus comes back he ever wants to see a farkin' cross? It's kind of like going up to Jackie Onassis with a rifle pendant on."

" ...all matter is mearly energy condensed through a slow vibration, we are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively, life is only a dream and we are the imaginations of ourselves."


"Ever noticed that people who believe in Creationism look really unevolved? "

"Christianity has a built-in defense system: anything that questions a belief, no matter how logical the argument is, is the work of Satan by the very fact that it makes you question a belief. It's a very interesting defense mechanism and the only way to get by it -- and believe me, I was raised Southern Baptist -- is to take massive amounts of mushrooms, sit in a field, and just go, "Show me." "


I thought that it would make many of the people here smile. By the way, Jesus was a historical figure executed by the Romans for disturbing the peace. Ironic how christian conservatives rail against protesters for peace, green political thought, and socially progressive policies. The whole son-of-god thing was a myth written down a few years after he died to destabilize the Roman empire and get them the heck out of Israel and Judea.

Period.

Stop being so decieved and read a book. Stop giving your money to a facist nutbag with a neo-nazi father and learn about the things you worship, understand their history and place in society, and then try to balance that out with your faith's meaning within you... you might be surprised at the outcome...

it turned me from a catholic to a Taoist/Deist.
 
2005-02-11 12:22:59 PM  
[image from catholicshopper.com too old to be available]

"yeah...YEAH! Kick his ass, I command thee!"
 
2005-02-11 12:24:20 PM  
Looks like Cleanfilms already has a family friendly version already.

http://www.cleanfilms.com/viewdvd.phtml?PAS01
 
2005-02-11 12:25:57 PM  
I watched the movie it was alright but the end was such a downer. Did you guys know he dies at the end?

/The world will be a better place when all the religious fanatics take the big escalator to the sky
 
2005-02-11 12:27:32 PM  
Holy Wight!

I'm going to save Holly_Wight's last post for many future religious flame wars.

I couldn't have said it any better.

/super loud golf clap
 
2005-02-11 12:28:15 PM  
LEXSLAMMAN
"The whole son-of-god thing was a myth written down a few years after he died to destabilize the Roman empire and get them the heck out of Israel and Judea."

Well, JC came and went without much fanfare in his day, but man did he have a good PR department. His disciplies went all through the med spreading the word. Then when christianity got its first big VC round of funding when Constantine realized christians made good soldiers (since they believed in that whole afterlife thing) and publically converted, the church had the financial backing of the most powerful state in the world to institutionalize it and voila!
 
2005-02-11 12:28:38 PM  
sean007:
The world will be a better place when all the religious fanatics take the big escalator to the sky

Hypothetically, if they are right, most of them will be taking the down escalator, as will we. We all gotta take the ride someday, none of us gets outta here alive.

/except for me, I'm gonna live forever.
 
2005-02-11 12:29:05 PM  
Christian retards (is there any other kind) really love to see blood, gore and suffering....It's why they giddily await Armageddon and vote for Bushole to bring it on.

Christianity = Insane, zombie-following doomsday cult. We should invade their country and convert them to secular reality.

/Or at least we should sterilize the worst, unrecoverable fundies so they can't reproduce.
 
2005-02-11 12:29:47 PM  
Joesephus and the other "contemporary" historians were born after Jesus supposedly died. They are not contemporaries. The only witnesses are Jesus' friends/followers. And their "testimonies" were not written by them nor by the people they directly talked to either. Not exactly reliable except to say that someone named Jesus might have existed (we have relied on less for other ancient figures). The problem comes with the details of the story. Do people believe Homer's Oddessy was a true story? Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof.
 
2005-02-11 12:30:01 PM  
congregation, please be seated and open your prayer guides to
the book
of revelations, psalm 69

drinking the blood of jesus
drinking it right from his veins
learning to swim in the ocean
learning to prowl in his name

the body of christ looked unto me
a preacher with god-given hands
he wants you to suck on the holy ghost
and swallow the sins of man

psalm 69

the invisible piss of the holy ghost
comes down like acid rain
they're making a bonnet of terminal guilt
the scavengers go on parade

the fathers who write that eternity
is used to fight the sword
have filled you up with the devil's cock
and he'll come in the name of the lord

the way to succeed and the way to suck eggs


-Ministry-
 
2005-02-11 12:30:27 PM  
I think I'll go now. I don't really feel like debating scripture. If you believe that God is all-powerful, than He had that power to control what went into the Bible, and how it was translated. I believe the Bible is true, but I feel it's God's job to convince others of it's truth.

I have seen the movie. Many of you have not. Therefore, you really shouldn't comment on something you don't know.

I wouldn't say I "liked" the movie. It wasn't an enjoyable movie. But my understanding of the sacrifice Jesus made was really deepened.

I listen to other point of view, and I don't mock others if I disagree. All I ask of anyone is that they do they same.
 
2005-02-11 12:31:49 PM  
barjockey

walkingtall

Good to see you my friend.

/been a while


Man this thread went in all sorts of directions. I cannot keep up.
 
2005-02-11 12:32:09 PM  
Actually Hell is reserved only for the unrepentent, those
who repent thier worldly sins only spend a couple hundred thousand years in purgatory
 
2005-02-11 12:34:04 PM  
I couldn't belive that Pontial Pilate was Jesus' father! Talk about plot twitsts!
 
2005-02-11 12:34:04 PM  
kendi823:

All I ask of anyone is that they do they same.

No.
 
2005-02-11 12:34:47 PM  
Correctamundo, Father_Jack.

Christianity, as it turns out, is more of a product of the governments of major political powers. There's the Roman church, Latin Rite Catholicism. The Byzantines invented their own version to distinguish themselves and stabilize power after the Western empire fell: The Orthodox (Greek, Russian, and Slavic: Byzantine Rite). When forward thinkers were sick of Rome and the Holy See controlling all the peoples of Europe, they rebelled (a la Luther) and created protestant denominations as they saw fit (a la Henry VIII/Elizabeth I). Christianity is the most politicized and overbearing religion of all time, and that is why it poses such a threat to our government and our freedom. If American Christians could dismiss the failures of their past and move on to a new and more progressive philosophy, the problem might be solved. European Christians have learned this. Centuries of battling between Byzantines and Catholics and Protestants with vicious and brutal murders, defilement of churches, and political conflict have taught European Christians that society and government are best kept secular things, and that the realm of spirituality is a more personal concept.
 
2005-02-11 12:35:18 PM  
Does anyone else think that if being a true Xtian meant cutting off an arm that we'd a lot less folks pretending to be believers?
 
2005-02-11 12:36:19 PM  
stubacka

When are we going to see the Alternate Ending??

See this for the alternate ending. Better movie too.

Cannot believe Mike_71 has not been here yet to make all Christians look insane. Must be busy bathing in the blood of little brown newborns or something.
 
2005-02-11 12:37:41 PM  
PC LOAD LETTER

Joesephus and the other "contemporary" historians were born after Jesus supposedly died. They are not contemporaries. The only witnesses are Jesus' friends/followers. And their "testimonies" were not written by them nor by the people they directly talked to either. Not exactly reliable except to say that someone named Jesus might have existed (we have relied on less for other ancient figures). The problem comes with the details of the story. Do people believe Homer's Oddessy was a true story? Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof.


Umm. you need to study history a little better because you made statements that are not true. You have to remember that Christianity as a movement started right after his death. Not hundreds of years later. How could a movement exist within the lifetimes of contemporary people of Christ based on a person who did not exist? Please tell me how that could happen. Christianity was a very hard sell and every claim was put under more scrutiny then you can even fathom. Every statement by every Christian, every apostle, every disciple, was scrutinized and vatted. To even doubt that Jesus existed ignores history entirely and is equivalent of a child who closes his/her eyes and in their mind the person disappears.
 
2005-02-11 12:38:05 PM  
kendi823
I think I'll go now. I don't really feel like debating scripture.

So it has nothing to do with the fact that I just proved you wrong?

If you believe that God is all-powerful, than He had that power to control what went into the Bible, and how it was translated. I believe the Bible is true, but I feel it's God's job to convince others of it's truth.

And apparently it's your job to misquote your gods work.

I have seen the movie. Many of you have not. Therefore, you really shouldn't comment on something you don't know.


But you obviously didn't read the bible.
I haven't been commenting on the movie, I have answered you claims about what the bible says.

Oh and I found that site, where you got your erronious bible-quotes:
http://bible.com

Heres another quote from the site:
'God is using this site for 21st Century Evangelism.'
 
2005-02-11 12:38:06 PM  
Nice Job Holly Wright.

I cant really argue with that except to say that I wish most of those groups did not call themselves Christians, since dont relly follow all of his teachings, nor live by his example.

Can you do one on democracy for me?

I think there are lots of dictatorships that have democracy in their name.
 
2005-02-11 12:40:29 PM  
Roman empire and get them the heck out of Israel and Judea

To add an ember to the fire
Judea was old Rome's quagmire
But what do I have? I got notta
Except for these bloody stigmata
But that's neither here nor there
I guess that that's my cross to bear.
 
2005-02-11 12:40:37 PM  
[To even doubt that Jesus existed ignores history entirely and is equivalent of a child who closes his/her eyes and in their mind the person disappears.]

If I told you that a friend of a friend of mine could heal the sick , raise the dead , and walk on water without any evidence , would you believe me?
 
2005-02-11 12:40:51 PM  
sean007

Actually Hell is reserved only for the unrepentent, those
who repent thier worldly sins only spend a couple hundred thousand years in purgatory


Wait, if I repent, do I still get to keep my window seat? That thing is already paid for, ya know. And I'll be damned if I am travelling coach.
 
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