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2005-02-11 11:40:46 AM  
Farker_Taint:

I wont deny that, and to some people, it is the defining moment of Christianity. However, I tend to put more value in the teachings than the death. Yes, the death made it prominent, but what is more important in the grand scheme of things? Knowing the death or knowing the teachings?

I agree with you 100%. Here's what I got out of the movie, though. I was raised Catholic (these days I'm more of an agnostic), and went to Catholic schools all the way through high school. In that time I learned about the crucifixion about 10,000 times and eventually became completely numb to the whole concept. Jesus was beaten, whipped, crucified, yeah yeah can we go home now. Catholics see crucifixes every day and don't think about how it's depicting a freaking dead body nailed to a piece of wood. I think the point of the Jesus Chainsaw Massacre was to demonstrate the biblic (no pun intended) proportions of the event to those who had been desensitized to it. Which I think Mel did a pretty good job of, albeit a bit exaggerated and gratuitous.

Although, in 12 years of Catholic schooling, I never once learned about that freaky man-baby that's in the movie.

/still an agnostic
 
2005-02-11 11:41:18 AM  
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2005-02-11 11:42:08 AM  
Pocket Ninja

your profile just turned my frown upside down

thank you
 
2005-02-11 11:42:43 AM  
No, you're a dumbass because of your whole "liberal ideas arent christian" comment.

He also ignored my request to back up his statement with some elaboration.
 
2005-02-11 11:43:58 AM  
Gunther

Umm, MLK was a liberal. Read his writings. listen to his speeches. It's not something that's in debate. Arguing that he wasn't a liberal is as stupid as arguing that he wasn't a christian.

Umm... sorry to inform you liberals but MLK was NOT one of you. He did not believe in abortion, or feminism as an agenda or any of the other great liberal agendas of his time. He was considered a liberal because he advocated non-violent opposition to the prevailing wisdom of the time. "Equal but different" was the underlying excuse for the exclusion of blacks for established society. This he railed against and the reason he railed against it is because of "all men were CREATED equal". A Bible verse. He was a pastor of a church and I still listen to some of his sermons. He was not perfect and just like any other person you have to take the good with the bad.
 
2005-02-11 11:44:09 AM  
We need far fewer religious Christians and a whole hell of a lot more philosophical Christians. As Dave Pirner once wrote,

Jesus was a hippie
Peace and love was all he was about
That's why they killed him
'Cause that shiat's something people can't figure out
And now those who worship him are the ones who would have cheered at the crucifixion


Cutting the movie down just shows how Mel Gibson has zero integrity left.
 
2005-02-11 11:44:36 AM  
"He also ignored my request to back up his statement with some elaboration."

Ah cmon dont make the man actually back up his punditry with concrete ideas, its hard thinking this early in the morning.
 
2005-02-11 11:44:55 AM  
FOR ANYONE who said the Bible doesn't talk about how horrible his torture was

"(For many, the Servant of God became an object of horror; many were astonished.) His face and His whole appearance were MARRED MORE THAN ANY MAN'S, and His form beyond that of the sons of men" (Isaiah 52:14).

"His bruised and swollen face the smiting with the reed produced must have
looked more terrible when, after the crown of thorns had been pressed onto His forehead, the oozing blood made Him a pitiable sight to behold, blindfolded as he was (Luke 22:64)."
 
2005-02-11 11:45:19 AM  
CatholicSamurai: What, that you are an idiot? Quit quoting yourself, Rackjite.


WTF is a Rackjite? It does not appear in the dictionary of normal people. Are you speaking in toungues enlightened one?
 
2005-02-11 11:46:18 AM  
shipud,

Tacitus: Tacitus, Annals 15.44,

Pliny the Younger: Pliny, Epistles x. 96,

Josephus: Josephus, Antiquities 18.63-64

The Babylonian Talmud states clearly that Jesus was executed for practicing sorcery. Still within the several hundred years Gunther stated.
 
2005-02-11 11:47:02 AM  
RE: MLK - a liberal?

Martin Luther King was certainly a liberal per the classic definition more relative to his time. He forcefully pushed for change against the grain, and shouldered a burden for a minority group. However, he would in no way be labeled as a liberal today what with the hijacking of the term by the socialist elite. Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton would certainly infuriate him with their attitude of entitlement. MLK was for true equality - not one group to be entitled to anything over another. This is the antithesis of today's liberalism.
 
2005-02-11 11:47:08 AM  
"all men were CREATED equal". A Bible verse.
And all thist time I thought that was the Declaration of Independence.

Book, chapter, and verse, please?

/good luck
 
2005-02-11 11:47:33 AM  
Father_Jack

Helping the poor? Caring for the sick? Being charitable and generous to people less fortunate than you? These things arent christian now?

Loaves, fishes. . . ring a bell?


So you are saying that ONLY liberals believe in these things. This is the platform that makes up the planks of the liberal platform. If this was the case my friend every Christian that deems to call him/herself a Christian would be a liberal. Methinks you need to study your political and social stance if you call yourself a died in the wool liberal.
 
2005-02-11 11:48:08 AM  
I don't see the big deal. The Passion was a terrible flick anyway. I am happy that Christians are getting publicity for the violent underbelly of their little death-cult. Really, I am. I was raised a Catholic, and was taught to obsess over death. The Passion is a movie about death and violence with Jesus playing the main character.
If Christians really want a religious movie with great moral/ethical overtones and a beautiful message that is mixed up in death and torture symbols, check out "Dead Man Walking".

On that note, I wonder why, after their 'savior' was brutally murdered by a government (I know that Mel and his dad think it was the Jews, but actually, the Romans did the dirty deed) the majority of conservative Christians still support the death penalty. Why? Isn't that a little, ummm, hypocritical?
Oh!
Wait!
Christianity is a hypocritical little cult anyway, one only has to look at the oxymoronic nature of the bible.
So which is it, does god want me to turn the other cheek to all you conservatives and your closed minded views, or does god want an eye for an eye? New testys or old testys?
The whole Passion debate was much ado about nothing, the movie just another way for a rich republican to make lots of money from his conservative base. I thought that the Last Temptation was a far more interesting and amusing movie. Scorcese whoops Gibson any day.

/Saw the Passion 3 times
//Still doesn't like it.
 
2005-02-11 11:48:13 AM  
To be a real Jesus believing Christian you HAVE to be a social conservative. Liberal social agendas and the Bible do not mix

Let's try this again. Walkingtall, please enlighten us as to why you believe this. Provide specific examples of where the Bible and Liberal ideas differ.
 
2005-02-11 11:49:12 AM  
Q: Why did the Southern Baptists break off from the regular Baptists?

A: Because the Southern Baptists wanted to keep slavery.

If this doesn't tell you how farked people are...
 
2005-02-11 11:49:36 AM  
This is ridiculous. That movie was a work of art like The Pieta. Marketing a watered down version of it is just as stupid as John Ashcroft putting curtains in front of the nude statues.

oh and MLK was a liberal. He didn't believe in abortion but he was a total socialist. Self-admitted, not just a label I slapped on him.
 
2005-02-11 11:49:37 AM  
Father_Jack

I believe WalkingTall may be following the teachings of Mike_71. As Mike_71 posted the same thing several weeks ago.
 
2005-02-11 11:51:31 AM  
overly religous people are stupid and they stink.
 
2005-02-11 11:52:56 AM  
I hear Jesus dies at the end.
 
2005-02-11 11:53:08 AM  
Kendi823 - "(For many, the Servant of God became an object of horror; many were astonished.) His face and His whole appearance were MARRED MORE THAN ANY MAN'S, and His form beyond that of the sons of men" (Isaiah 52:14)."

Ooh, how did they know they had the right guy then? How plausible is this theory: You produce an unrecognisable bloody pulp who just happens to be wearing Jeebus's lucky pants on Friday, and then Hey Presto! Heeeeere's the REAL Jeebus on Sunday.

Conspiracy! *SQUAWK!* Conspiracy! *HOOT!*
 
2005-02-11 11:53:13 AM  
mindbuzz
...may be following the teachings of Mike_71

That is such a frightening concept.
 
2005-02-11 11:53:15 AM  
Maybe Michael Moore could release Fahrenheit 911 with less lies in it. Oh wait, I forgot, there wouldn't be a movie.

/he's still fat
 
2005-02-11 11:53:25 AM  
Mike_71 had his ass handed to him in the snowflake thread.
 
2005-02-11 11:53:49 AM  
walkingtall


This he railed against and the reason he railed against it is because of "all men were CREATED equal". A Bible verse.

how does one fit that much stupid into one person?

it doesn't matter what the topic is. you never fail to have a point of view completely divorced from reality. its refreshing in that 'now-i-need-to-douche-my-eyeballs' kind of way.
 
2005-02-11 11:54:33 AM  
walkingtall
You attribute the Declaration of Independence to the Bible and you don't know your hero very well. He also had a habit of breaking the 7th and 10th commandments in his private life...
 
2005-02-11 11:54:38 AM  
"I wont deny that, and to some people, it is the defining moment of Christianity. However, I tend to put more value in the teachings than the death. Yes, the death made it prominent, but what is more important in the grand scheme of things? Knowing the death or knowing the teachings?
"

Well, the teachings are no fun because then you have to be kind to people, not judge them, not get your way all the time, and all kinds of other negatives. The death on the other hand is where you get your ticket to heaven without any of the aformentioned invconveniences.

Not too tough to see why option #1 is more popular among humans.
 
2005-02-11 11:54:59 AM  
2005-02-11 11:52:56 AM NutznGum

I hear Jesus dies at the end.

Thanks for giving away the ending you asshat! I was going to see it this weekend.

/still optimistic Jesus won't die
 
2005-02-11 11:55:03 AM  
WALKING
"So you are saying that ONLY liberals believe in these things. "

No. I'm merely refuting your statement that contemporary liberal social ideas are incompatible with being christian by providing you with an example of liberal ideals that are indeed christian.

I don't believe i said anything about "only liberals" believing in those things. It doesnt have to be mutually exclusive now does it?

And i'm not a dyed in the wool liberal, not really. Actually, i'm rather conservative when it comes to economics and intl. politics, but i tend to be left of center when it comes to social issues. You sure like putting words in peoples mouth dont you.
 
2005-02-11 11:55:29 AM  
NutznGum: I hear Jesus dies at the end.

Yeah but then it becomes all happy at the very end, typical Hollywood crap.
 
2005-02-11 11:55:51 AM  
Maybe Michael Moore could release Fahrenheit 911 with less lies in it. Oh wait, I forgot, there wouldn't be a movie.

/he's still fat


Another jackhole who has to insert Moore into everything. Get a life, jerko.
 
2005-02-11 11:56:06 AM  
lesxlamman
Before dimissing all chritianity, one needs to remember that catholicism is much different than protestantism and non-denom christianity.
 
2005-02-11 11:56:15 AM  
barjockey
/not christian, but I knows my bible.

Funny - Satan says the same thing...


Well I'll be damned! Guess that means I'm Satan.
 
2005-02-11 11:56:27 AM  
Thurg:

This is the last quote. All the historians/philosophers I named were non christian AND within your time frame. Read thier writings yourself.

No they weren't. I said within a couple hundred years of jesus's death. Of those writings, only Lucian, Tacitus and Pliny the Younger fit. Of these, Lucian's was proven to be added in after his death, Tacitus wrote of someone called Chrestus and Pliny only mentions Christianity, which he thinks is a new Jewish sect.

Care to try again?
 
2005-02-11 11:56:40 AM  
I hear Jesus dies at the end.

Wait for the sequel...
 
2005-02-11 11:57:08 AM  
NutznGum: I hear Jesus dies at the end.

Same reason I never saw Titanic. I heard that the boat sinks.
 
2005-02-11 11:58:37 AM  
/Saw the Passion 3 times
//Still doesn't like it.


Uh...yeah. I stuck my hand in the blender 3 times - still don't like it. Why do I feel compelled to keep doing it?
 
2005-02-11 11:59:20 AM  
snowflake thread?
 
2005-02-11 11:59:44 AM  
Great, so pansies can watch THE PASSION and DEEP THROAT in pointless edited versions!
 
2005-02-11 11:59:44 AM  
It's time to:

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2005-02-11 11:59:49 AM  
Barjockey,
I think I have heard your rhetoric somewhere before... maybe Limbaugh? I don't know, all conservatives look and sound so much alike, I get them confused all the time. I must take issue with a few of your statements

Martin Luther King was certainly a liberal per the classic definition more relative to his time...

Fine. Give me that definition and I may agree with you, but I believe that Rev/Dr. King was a progressively thinking economic and social liberal. The man idolized Thoreau for god's sake.

However, he would in no way be labeled as a liberal today what with the hijacking of the term by the socialist elite...

Find me the socialist elite and tell me how they have altered the definition of liberal in anyway. From my point of view, the conservative elite hi-jacked the term liberal and turned it into an insult because they were afraid of the liberal working class majority in this country. By turning the term 'liberal' into a label for some imaginary 'anti-religious' and 'amoral' individual was how the republican party made itself look centrist when it really has the policies of radicals and extremists.

MLK was for true equality - not one group to be entitled to anything over another. This is the antithesis of today's liberalism...

again, your lack of evidence is biting you in the ass. Equality is not just a liberal concept, it is an AMERICAN concept. Political liberals strive toward economic, social, and legal equality for all. These kind of cultural changes don't happen as quickly as most liberals would like, but society as a whole tends toward the kind of progressive cultural values, like equality through desegregation, that liberals protect, cherish, and fight for.

If you clarify your statements and make a logical argument with them, I might lend some credence to what you have to say. From my perspective on what you just said, it was all a bunch of BS that you are parroting from some conservative talk-radio mogul.
 
2005-02-11 12:00:00 PM  
barjockey


Uh...yeah. I stuck my hand in the blender 3 times - still don't like it. Why do I feel compelled to keep doing it?

you gotta stop listening to your dog, man. i don't think he has your best interest in mind.
 
2005-02-11 12:00:26 PM  
George 17:4 And Jesus told him: "Verily, I say unto you, cut thy capital gains taxes, for a rate above 4% is displeasing to the LORD."

Wolfowitz 32:9 But Jesus said: "Unleash thy weapons of war upon all the nations of the Earth; they hate thy freedom, and if they persist, create thou a glass parking lot."

Gingrich 69:42 Jesus told them: "Wouldst thou send thy children to the liberal slaughterhouses of the mind known as 'public schools?' Nay, I say to you, thou must use the vouchers that thou hast received, and send thy children to a high-quality private school."
 
2005-02-11 12:00:28 PM  
barjockey:

Uh...yeah. I stuck my hand in the blender 3 times - still don't like it. Why do I feel compelled to keep doing it?

I got raped by a priest 3 times. Makes me want to rush right back to church.
 
2005-02-11 12:01:22 PM  
Yeah from the other day... magnified snowflakes... infinity and beyond about Jesus......
 
2005-02-11 12:01:44 PM  
bubbaprog:

Cutting the movie down just shows how Mel Gibson has zero
integrity left.


I'll still go see Road Warrior 4 although it will probably suck.
 
2005-02-11 12:02:07 PM  
STRYPERSWINE: That movie was a work of art like The Pieta.

Interesting. Did you know that about 50 feet from "The David" in Florence there is a religious painting that was fairly recently restored. I forget who did the painting, but the restoration was partly funded by Mel Gibson.

Religious art is interesting. Much of it seems particularly designed to provide compelling images to churchgoers, helping them feel more confident that the stories are True.
 
2005-02-11 12:02:24 PM  
Stopheles


Great, so pansies can watch THE PASSION and DEEP THROAT in pointless edited versions!


yah know, you're right. this is basically like cutting out the money shots.

"It's not an adult feature unless, at the end, someone's gooey. Arcing ropes of jism hitting chins-- that is an adult feature"
 
2005-02-11 12:02:26 PM  
MikeRaphon: snowflake thread?

snowflake thread.
 
2005-02-11 12:03:14 PM  
George 17:4 And Jesus told him: "Verily, I say unto you, cut thy capital gains taxes, for a rate above 4% is displeasing to the LORD."

Wolfowitz 32:9 But Jesus said: "Unleash thy weapons of war upon all the nations of the Earth; they hate thy freedom, and if they persist, create thou a glass parking lot."

Gingrich 69:42 Jesus told them: "Wouldst thou send thy children to the liberal slaughterhouses of the mind known as 'public schools?' Nay, I say to you, thou must use the vouchers that thou hast received, and send thy children to a high-quality private school."


//I'm not going to say I need a new keyboard.
 
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