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2005-02-11 11:18:53 AM  
Regarding "Passion" for Oscars:
What category, exactly?
Best Picture? It was not a "good" movie, maybe it was an "important" movie to some, but it was not by any stretch of the imagination an exceptional movie by standard definition.
Best screenplay? Whose gonna step in and accept on behalf of Jesus? Dubya?
Best Actor? Anybody remember this movie for the actor? even still, couldn't it have been anybody else? ( I couldn't make out his face under all that blood)
Best actress: See above
Supporting: see above

Score, Cinematography, etc. Maybe, but that's not the recognition people are clamoring for.

It was christian Blood-porn.

Christian, felt the movie was abhorrent in its use of the saviour as deli meat to make money, The message is strong enough on its own, and if you're gonna be converted to a religion by a movie alone, please make so I can't be generalised with you. (i.e. Stay the hell outta mine)
 
2005-02-11 11:19:46 AM  
Gunther,

There are many historical references to Jesus. Read up on Tacitus, Pliny the Younger, Josephus, and Lucian. Or in the Babylonian Talmud, written around 70 AD. The Koran also has many references to both Jesus and Mary.
 
2005-02-11 11:20:14 AM  
walkingtall

I've had my fair share of Baptist churches/Non-denominational churches. Hell, I even went to a bible college. When they started bashing Catholics/any other denom but them... I had to leave. I had to start thinking for myself.

The guy that really pissed me off wrote this book. "Fast Facts on False Teachings" - Ron something or other.
 
2005-02-11 11:20:35 AM  
I get heckled and called names constantly but I have a thick skin and my faith is deeper than Fark can destroy. I find it all very fascinating.

Odd... I'm a fairly conservative Xtian and I'm loved and admired wherever I go.

/Although recently there have been some snide remarks about my attire.
 
2005-02-11 11:20:37 AM  
2 things I cant stand:

1. Religious types forcing their views on me
2. Non-religious types forcing their views on me

and I've seen a lot more of #2 than #1 in my life. Calling religious people stupid, sheep, etc... is just plain wrong and dumb.

/agnostic mostly
//maybe there is a god. i've never met him.
 
2005-02-11 11:20:56 AM  
I know! Let's all go see this movie, and at the end, we'll all sing "Always look on the bright side of life!"

i wanted to do this last year, only in a more elaborate way. i was going to go to the movie with a stopwatch, find out exactly how far into the movie the emotional height was (something like the "father, into your hands i commend my spirit" line or something...i'm not sure if that's even in it, never did see the movie) and then record a tape with exactly that amount of blank material, and then always look on the bright side of life. then i'd go see the movie again, press play at the beginning of the movie, drop and kick the tape player (don't want to arouse suspicions to myself) and then stick around to see the results.

it was way too complicated and would really have just been disrespectful, so i didn't do it.

but you can imagine if i did...
 
2005-02-11 11:22:08 AM  
Anyone else looking forward to Cartoon Network's "Robot Chicken" show, which seems to have an episode with Jesus vs Santa in a "Kill Bill" re-enactment?
 
2005-02-11 11:22:33 AM  
walkingtall

Good to see you my friend.

/been a while
 
2005-02-11 11:22:45 AM  
Gunther

It's a bird! it's a plane! it's sarcasm flying right over your head!

And apparently the sarcasm of my original comment was lost on both of you. touche
 
2005-02-11 11:22:52 AM  
please:

Jesus's life should be remembered for what he taught and how he lived, not how he farking died.

I'm not defending it or anything, but the crucifixion is sort of the defining event in Christianity, that's why you see people wearing those little crosses everywhere.

Just saying...
 
2005-02-11 11:24:39 AM  
I don't know who the hell you are, but yet you remember me. That's kinda sweet... I guess.

Farking hell. I'm sorry I asked.

/speak o' the debbil...
 
2005-02-11 11:24:59 AM  
ipsiad


Jesus's life should be remembered for what he taught and how he lived, not how he farking died.

I'm not defending it or anything, but the crucifixion is sort of the defining event in Christianity, that's why you see people wearing those little crosses everywhere.

Just saying...


I wont deny that, and to some people, it is the defining moment of Christianity. However, I tend to put more value in the teachings than the death. Yes, the death made it prominent, but what is more important in the grand scheme of things? Knowing the death or knowing the teachings?
 
2005-02-11 11:25:16 AM  
2005-02-11 11:20:37 AM James Bong

2 things I cant stand:

1. Religious types forcing their views on me
2. Non-religious types forcing their views on me

and I've seen a lot more of #2 than #1 in my life. Calling religious people stupid, sheep, etc... is just plain wrong and dumb.


Uhhhh. .. .i think there are waaaaaay more number 1s out there than #2s. How many atheists come to your door trying to convert you? How many times has a nonreligious person proclaimed to speak for god when he says "god hates fags"? How many atheists strap a bomb on themselves in the name of their beliefs?

Religious fanaticism is way more dangerous and annoying than smug non religous people saying people who are christians are sheep in a fark forum.
 
2005-02-11 11:25:52 AM  
I'm not defending it or anything, but the crucifixion is sort of the defining event in Christianity, that's why you see people wearing those little crosses everywhere.

Thank God the Romans didn't have rifles... I'd hate for anyone to think I was in the NRA!
 
2005-02-11 11:27:07 AM  
daveinsurgent

actually, even many non-believers know that Jesus death actually happened the way it did in the movie, even if they think it was overly gory. It follows what was said in Scripture, which were written by eye-witnesses to the event. Besides, deaths like this were quite common for other criminals at the time. That's why I compared it to the Holocaust. Even if you don't believe in Jesus, the son of God, Jesus' exisistance as an actual person is proven fact by many sources, including the Bible.

please

The death of Jesus is one of the most important factors for Christians, because we believe He died for us, to save us. That doesn't mean His life wasn't important. Christians try to live like Jesus, as a model. That's really important, too.

You can mock the few of us Christians on this site if you want, but just because you don't agree with someone doesn't make them dumb and you brillant. Can you respect other people's beliefs?
 
2005-02-11 11:27:42 AM  
Thurg:

There are many historical references to Jesus. Read up on Tacitus, Pliny the Younger, Josephus, and Lucian. Or in the Babylonian Talmud, written around 70 AD. The Koran also has many references to both Jesus and Mary.

Oh really?

http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/jeff_lowder/jury/chap5.html

Never got the hang of that HTML stuff. To summarize, there's no evidence for the existence of jesus from any non-christian writings until long after his death.

Not sure how I got into this argument, considering in my last post I said that I accepted the existance of a historical jesus.
 
2005-02-11 11:29:33 AM  
kendi823

You know, for the people out there like myself, calling "passion" the "Jesus Chainsaw Massacre" is actually offensive. Not that I expect anyone to care.

How can you be personally offended by jokes about a movie you didn't make?
It's a movie, not holy scripture.

That being said, I acually saw it in the movie theater, and I was changed because of it. It says in the Bible that Jesus was tortured beyond reconition, and beyond what a typical human would be able to endure. So if you know that, you realize that the movie is the most accurate visual portrayal of His death than anything that already exists.

Except is doesn't say anything like that in the bible.
It only says he was whipped and beaten in the head with a pipe (Matthew, Mark, Luke and John dont excactly agree on the details, however).

Theres nothing about 'tortured beyond reconition' or 'beyond what a typical human would be able to endure.'

/not christian, but I knows my bible.
 
2005-02-11 11:29:35 AM  
However, I tend to put more value in the teachings than the death. Yes, the death made it prominent, but what is more important in the grand scheme of things? Knowing the death or knowing the teachings?

Ahem... as posted earlier, the death of Jesus is 'more important in the grand scheme of things', because without His act of obedience to the Father, nothing else would have mattered. "Love Your Neighbor" and the like was already well-known from other teachers.

Our own personal view of things about what is or isn't important is part of the problem. That sort of pride is what caused Lucifer (and Adam) to rebel.
 
2005-02-11 11:29:41 AM  
Father_Jack

Uhhhh. .. .i think there are waaaaaay more number 1s out there than #2s. How many atheists come to your door trying to convert you? How many times has a nonreligious person proclaimed to speak for god when he says "god hates fags"? How many atheists strap a bomb on themselves in the name of their beliefs?

Religious fanaticism is way more dangerous and annoying than smug non religous people saying people who are christians are sheep in a fark forum


Excellent post. I will take it a step further. I think it is even more dangerous for #1's to use the political structure of the country to advance a hateful and repressive agenda on the country en masse. Using "God" to justify wars, discrimination, promote hatred and using his name as a "trump card" for anyone who disagrees, to me is a the biggest affront to God and the basic fundamentals of Christianity that I can think of.

/just sayin'
 
2005-02-11 11:29:48 AM  
heap

do you perceive that this is on account of either your conservatism, or your christianity?

don't want to spoil the surprise or anything, but i don't.



Depends on whether you mean social or economic conservative. To be a real Jesus believing Christian you HAVE to be a social conservative. Liberal social agendas and the Bible do not mix. I am talking social agendas, not movements. MLK was painted as a liberal but he was not. He simply fought for equal rights for blacks. No more and no less. That is the difference between a liberal movement and a liberal agenda.
 
2005-02-11 11:29:55 AM  
Farker_Taint:

I wont deny that, and to some people, it is the defining moment of Christianity. However, I tend to put more value in the teachings than the death. Yes, the death made it prominent, but what is more important in the grand scheme of things? Knowing the death or knowing the teachings?


No... the death is way more important than the teachings on the cosmic scale. Any hippy can preach about love and happiness. When Jesus died and then rose from the dead, that gave validity to everything He preached.

Without the death and resurection, Jesus Christ is no better than David Koresh. With the resurection, He is the Son of the living God.
 
2005-02-11 11:30:45 AM  
please

Before you go cutting and pasting portions of my earlier post and then referring to me as a "moron" because of what I typed, "please" make sure that you understand the point of the post. Since you clearly do not, I can only assume that you are either:

a) someone with no understanding of the concepts of understatement, subtlety, or satire;
b) someone who reads only a third of a post before responding to it;
c) both a and b, above.

You may apologize for your ad hominem at any point. Until then, "please" refrain from attempting to appear as if you have a point.
 
2005-02-11 11:30:57 AM  
"Love Your Neighbor" - That's what the hippies liked about Jesus.
 
2005-02-11 11:30:59 AM  
I mean the book was total crap, why would the movie be any better? A farking snuff film about a fake deity, lame.
 
2005-02-11 11:31:04 AM  
/not christian, but I knows my bible.

Funny - Satan says the same thing...
 
2005-02-11 11:31:20 AM  
Thurg:

There are many historical references to Jesus. Read up on Tacitus, Pliny the Younger, Josephus, and Lucian. Or in the Babylonian Talmud, written around 70 AD. The Koran also has many references to both Jesus and Mary.


Tacitus, and the Pliny's (elder or younger): got a reference to that?

Lucian was born a century after Jesus died.

Josephus: one sentence in "The Wars of the Jews". That sentence is so disconnected from the context around it, and written in such a different style, that it is obviously an insert.

The Babylonian Talmud was written in Babylon in the 2nd-4th centuries. (Not 70AD, and it was never canonized). Jesus is only mentioned there sporadically, in the context of legends.

The Koran was written in the 7th century, by then "Issa" was a well established legend.
 
2005-02-11 11:32:13 AM  
Gunther:

Oh really?

http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/jeff_lowder/jury/chap5.html

Never got the hang of that HTML stuff. To summarize, there's no evidence for the existence of jesus from any non-christian writings until long after his death.

Not sure how I got into this argument, considering in my last post I said that I accepted the existance of a historical jesus.



You are quoting infidels.org for evidence against Jesus and expect people to think it's non bias? Why don't I just quote godhatesamerica.com to show the evidence that we deserved the 9/11 attacks!
 
2005-02-11 11:32:43 AM  
shipud,

They don't let facts get in the way of their mythology.
 
2005-02-11 11:32:45 AM  
barjockey

/not christian, but I knows my bible.

Funny - Satan says the same thing...


Yeah, but does he say it with as much style?
 
2005-02-11 11:33:06 AM  
walkingtall

i'll try again. i'd reply to what you said, but... i really have no clue where it came from.

do you percieve that people heckle and or rag on you because you are conservative, or because you are christian?
 
2005-02-11 11:33:08 AM  
FARKER TAINT

Excellent post. I will take it a step further. I think it is even more dangerous for #1's to use the political structure of the country to advance a hateful and repressive agenda on the country en masse.


But then how else can people stomach butchering their fellow men if its not done in the name of some intangible guy in the sky? Cmon, don't take all the fun out of life, war is hard on a brothers conscience if you can't rely on the fact that the creator of the universe takes sides in human politics.
 
2005-02-11 11:33:28 AM  
LoveInAction

So by judging me by implying that I have self "pride", are you not committing a sin? Plus, by stating that because "Love Your Neighbor" was taught by other teachers, makes it somehow less important that Jesus taught the same thing? That clears up why the vast majority of Christians are so vitriolic and hate-filled towards gays, poor, brown men, etc.

Why on earth do you think God gave us Free-Will if you propose that we are to blindly follow an idea without thinking for ourselves?
 
2005-02-11 11:33:48 AM  
Oh really?

http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/jeff_lowder/jury/chap5.html


Puh-leeze... don't be quoting some blog as if it's the Encyclopedia Brittanica!

For the record, I believe in Roman records there are mentions of more than 30 men called Jesus during that time period. It's was a wild and rebellious time for Judea, and there were many rabble-rousers.
 
2005-02-11 11:34:20 AM  
To be a real Jesus believing Christian you HAVE to be a social conservative. Liberal social agendas and the Bible do not mix

Care to elaborate?
 
2005-02-11 11:34:39 AM  
Yay God!

[image from img.photobucket.com too old to be available]
 
2005-02-11 11:35:04 AM  
Gunther,
"Sorry, but theres no histiorical account of jesus's existence from a non-christian writer for several hundred years after his death."

This is the last quote. All the historians/philosophers I named were non christian AND within your time frame. Read thier writings yourself.

/Not a christian but definitly a historian.
 
2005-02-11 11:35:36 AM  
HEAP

"do you percieve that people heckle and or rag on you because you are conservative, or because you are christian?"

Maybe he's just a dumbass? Being a dumbass is a good explanation for getting heckled and ragged on.
 
2005-02-11 11:35:36 AM  
Dansker

Sorry, don't have a Bible with me, I just did a little research on the movie after seeing it, and I remember reading it in the Bible somewhere. Wish I could give you a verse.

I already said it, but the movie follows events the way they were written in the Bible. Such as the gambling for His clotes, the crown of thorns, Him dropping the cross while carrying it. I'm not trying to prove the Bible's accuracy right now, but I have have been reading and studying the Bible for a long time, and everything I saw in that movie seemed pretty freakin' accurate to me.
 
2005-02-11 11:36:16 AM  
Low-violence version = 18 minute film!
 
2005-02-11 11:36:24 AM  
father_jack

if this were charades, this would be the part where i touch my nose and jump up and down.
 
2005-02-11 11:37:29 AM  
gentler and softer ... aww how sweet.
 
2005-02-11 11:37:56 AM  

To be a real Jesus believing Christian you HAVE to be a social conservative. Liberal social agendas and the Bible do not mix


WHAT? THis is the dumbest thing i've ever heard.

Helping the poor? Caring for the sick? Being charitable and generous to people less fortunate than you? These things arent christian now?

Loaves, fishes. . . ring a bell?
 
2005-02-11 11:38:04 AM  
You've got to give God credit for inventing light. Firstly, what a cracking good idea "light" is. Brilliant. Secondly, what a fast worker - he did it in only one day, and what's more, he was working in the dark.

He loses points when dealing with the whole 'apple malfunction' in the Garden of Eden, though. His idea of punishment is pretty poor. Fair enough, "Man, you will work the rest of your days" and "Woman, you will have terrible pain in childbirth and have to put up with Man being a dick all the time" - those are actually kinda harsh. But the serpent? "You will crawl on your belly in the dust for the rest of your days." Let's face it, as punishments go, that's really not the absolute worst fate for a SNAKE, now is it? Definitely dropped the ball on that one.

/paraphrasing Ricky Gervais' live act, bored at work and yet don't want to converse with any of you.
 
2005-02-11 11:38:18 AM  
For the record, I believe in Roman records there are mentions of more than 30 men called Jesus during that time period. It's was a wild and rebellious time for Judea, and there were many rabble-rousers.

Excellent point. A point so often ignored by religious scholars. If the Pharisees had a gold piece for every false Messiah dragged in by the crowds...ah, they only need 30 shekels to buy the death of Jesus of Nazareth.
 
2005-02-11 11:38:38 AM  
HEAP

"if this were charades, this would be the part where i touch my nose and jump up and down."

LOL!

nice. i'm giggling at my workstation.
 
2005-02-11 11:38:43 AM  
Jesus did not like religious people.
 
2005-02-11 11:38:52 AM  
Father_Jack

Maybe he's just a dumbass? Being a dumbass is a good explanation for getting heckled and ragged on.


Ahh... that's more like it. 20 or so posts without being called a name. I did not even have to make a statement this time. Now I am a dumbass just because.
 
2005-02-11 11:38:53 AM  
walkingtall:

MLK was painted as a liberal but he was not. He simply fought for equal rights for blacks

Umm, MLK was a liberal. Read his writings. listen to his speeches. It's not something that's in debate. Arguing that he wasn't a liberal is as stupid as arguing that he wasn't a christian.
 
2005-02-11 11:39:02 AM  
Even according to the NT, Jesus had a very low impact in Judea and the Galilee during his life, and was excuted along with two common criminals. He touched no more than a handful of people's lives during his lifetime. So even if there was a historical figure, there is no reason that there should be any contemporary record of him.
 
2005-02-11 11:40:35 AM  
WALKINGTALL
"Now I am a dumbass just because."

No, you're a dumbass because of your whole "liberal ideas arent christian" comment.
 
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