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(Some Guy)   Sen. Daschle's largest campaign contributor is a Caribbean money launderer.   ( argusleader.com) divider line
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2002-03-05 09:39:28 AM  

If you're supporting Democrats, you're supporting terrorism.
2002-03-05 09:41:27 AM  
vast right wing conspiracy

2002-03-05 09:43:11 AM  
03-05-02 09:39:28 AM GrassHopper

If you're supporting Democrats, you're supporting terrorism.

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.

2002-03-05 09:43:38 AM  
can we look forward to yet another retarded debate between leftists and rightists today? oh joy.
2002-03-05 09:45:42 AM  
Leftist/Rightists. As in mastubatory practices?
2002-03-05 09:46:54 AM  
Both sides are guilty of crap like this. They are all on the take.
2002-03-05 09:48:49 AM  
clever, a masturbation reference. of course thats what i should expect posting in the fark forums.
2002-03-05 09:50:16 AM  
I posted this yesterday in another thread, thanks for catching up on old news. Yawn. Today we find out that Senator Daschle completely and utterly lied about not knowing about the "Shadow Government" buildings. It was released today that on 9/11/01, he was rushed out of the Senate and set up in a "Shadow Government" bunker. The Senator purposely lied the other day after bashing Bush on the War effort.

I am sure the Republican majority in South Dakota will take of him soon enough at the ballot box. What a joke.
2002-03-05 09:50:17 AM  
ha ha ha

I'm a rightist, but sometimes I go leftist for that "special" feeling.
2002-03-05 09:50:20 AM  
Yes, this is Fark, were you expecting CNN?
2002-03-05 09:50:37 AM  
Yeah, online political debates = snooze. In the history of the Internet, no one has ever persuaded anyone else to change their political beliefs on the basis of a few lines of text. I don't even read these anymore, both sides spew rhetoric and nothing is resolved. Its really funny when someone posts like 30 lines of seemingly well-thought-out political debate. I skip right over those.
2002-03-05 09:54:03 AM  
im not necessarily expecting cnn here, but then again i dont always expect children to be out of school at this time of day to make masturbatory jokes about everything. but like you said, this is fark. i should have known better.
2002-03-05 09:55:54 AM  
I am non-partisan. I'll use both hands at the same time.
2002-03-05 09:57:10 AM  
Hytes Xian : did you mean Fermez la Bouche?
Ta guelle!
2002-03-05 09:57:48 AM  
Bush's biggest contributor:

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2002-03-05 09:57:58 AM  
"The left hand is the hand to use, well nevermind"

Paul Simon
2002-03-05 10:00:11 AM  
You guys are killing me, if this was GWB the tone of this thread would be quite different. I'm so glad you all have minds open enough to see both sides. (Note the Sarcasm!)
So big deal this guys a crook, it has to be fabricated for none of our liberal Democrats have ever done anything wrong! (Read Bill Clinton)
2002-03-05 10:01:23 AM  
Babelfish translated his phrase to "close the shower"

2002-03-05 10:03:17 AM  
Daschle is beginning to look pretty dopey. My God, does this country not have one quality person left at the top of politics? If the Democrats can't come up with a person to sound intelligent and well spoken next to Bush, and Bush is the best the Republicans can come up with, we really are doomed.
2002-03-05 10:03:26 AM  
Heheh, I think he meant the English version of "douche"! ;)
2002-03-05 10:04:10 AM  
So... it's no longer legal to have money contributed by a company, based in your home state, that eventally goes into bankruptcy?
2002-03-05 10:05:50 AM  
Well, soft money is a very interesting issue. In a way, I understand the ACLU's stance on it. ANd no matter what laws we make, there will be corruption. I just don't see any easy fix for this, but I am sortof in favor of banning soft money too, as it is so frequently abused, and almost legitimizes bribery.....
2002-03-05 10:07:10 AM  
WorldCitizen: how is
"Dachle looking dopey"? I earned more respect for him for standing up and questioning the administrations agenda. It is what he gets paid to do, and I say Kudos to him. He is a ture patriot.
2002-03-05 10:07:12 AM  
Democratic Governor of California, Gray Davis
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The #1 receiver of campaign donations from Enron...More than any Republican ever received from Enron...

Enron, a Democrat Sugar Daddy.
2002-03-05 10:08:17 AM  
Toupsie, that is NOT true. You better check your facts...
2002-03-05 10:12:17 AM  
BlockedIP: I have no problem with questioning Dubya's war policies, his budget policies, etc... In fact, I'm all for that. But his comments about not knowing anything about a shadow government were just stupid. My God, I've seen those facilities on the Discovery Channel. I've watched him speak a bit here lately, and he's just not that good at countering Bush. He lacks something solid. I can't even put my finger on it, but he seems to lack the charisma to convince the country of anything. If he can't even convince me (and I'm always called a liberal pinko terrorist hugger around here), how do we expect him to counter this Bush toe sucking phase the country is now in?
2002-03-05 10:14:07 AM  
WorldCitizen: Could you post a link to those comments? I haven't seen them. Does he claim he is not aware of a shadow gov't? Maybe GW didn't want him in the nuke bunker! ;)
2002-03-05 10:17:17 AM  
This is about as surprising as the shadow govt.
2002-03-05 10:19:40 AM  

too lazy to link.
Doesn't quite say that he didn't know about it. I think he was more trying to make it political by saying that the President hadn't bothered to inform Congress about the plan. I'm a Democrat, but I still just don't like Daschle for some reason. Don't get me wrong, I think he's better than Dubya, but I wouldn't like to vote for him for president.
2002-03-05 10:22:02 AM  
Let me rephrase that...I tend to agree more with Democrats. I'm not really a member of any one ideology or political philosophy. Ok, well, technically, I'm probably still registered as a Republican....hey, I was 18, young, spoiled, not worldly at all and naive. We all have skeletons in our closets.
2002-03-05 10:24:15 AM  
Thanks WC, I do have to say I don't agree with you though. I think his comment was meant to imply the Bush admin is not keeping him informed.
"We have not been informed at all about the role of the shadow government or its whereabouts or what particular responsibilities they have and when they would kick in, but we look forward to work with the administration to get additional information on that."
I think it was intended to "prod" the administration into being more inclusive...
2002-03-05 10:31:48 AM  
who reads the argus leader besides me? I didn't think there were any other south dakota farkers.

And despite the repulican majority, south dakota will never stop electing daschle. SD likes to have someone that high profile so when he's on cnn people see "Tom Daschle (Dem, SD)" ok tv.
2002-03-05 10:33:55 AM  
Yes, politicians have proven themselves once again to be criminals too drunk on power and hell-bent on keeping it to think straight.

My thoughts on this topic are well-known. Send the politicians home, burn the legislature and the White House, and live and work for your neighbours, families, lives, and world instead of some imperial court jesters in a run-down isolated city on one side of the country that lives under the thumb of the same overburdened, overpowered schmucks that can't be bothered to think about a vote or do the ethical, but less personally beneficial thing, when there's an election coming and the war chest needs filling.
2002-03-05 10:35:20 AM  
Enron isn't Bush's #1 contributer... they're roughly 15th. They still give a lot of money, but Bush didn't roll over to them on a lot of issues-namely, bailing them out illegally, and Enron wanted to enforce the kyoto agreement. Classic monopoly creating situation actually. Government limits supply of natural resources, allows fewer companies to gain market share.
2002-03-05 10:37:53 AM  
Funny how states vote. Indiana hasn't voted for a Dem for pres since 1968. Yet we've had Democratic governors since 1988. And our Democratic Senator has been being pruned for a run for the presidency since he became governor in '88 (Evan Bayh). It amazes me sometimes that Southern states have Democrats in office at all anymore (Indiana, especially southern Indiana is often southern in culture if not in location).
2002-03-05 10:42:20 AM  
Enron isn't Bush's #1 contributer... they're roughly 15th. They still give a lot of money, but Bush didn't roll over to them on a lot of issues-namely, bailing them out illegally, and Enron wanted to enforce the kyoto agreement. Classic monopoly creating situation actually. Government limits supply of natural resources, allows fewer companies to gain market share.

And the tooth fairy is real, and Elvis lives.
2002-03-05 10:52:11 AM  
"Enron wanted to enforce the kyoto agreement."

I have a very hard time beleiving that one. Got any documentation?
2002-03-05 11:02:08 AM  
so my ass...
they are all friggin' crooks, the lot of 'em.
it keeps getting proven over and over and over.....
democrat, republican, it does not matter.
...power hungry, money grubbin' bastards....
2002-03-05 11:12:32 AM  
Democrats and Republicans: two horses with the same owner.

2002-03-05 11:14:07 AM  
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Total Campaign Contributions:

72% to Replublicans
28% to Democrats
2002-03-05 11:15:30 AM  
2002-03-05 11:17:46 AM  
That's right, Replublicans. Republicans got even more! They're all whores, man.
2002-03-05 11:22:06 AM  
There is no law on the books that aoutlaws doing business with offshore banks. Now to label them money laundering is an accusation with proof. In fact, drug lords use these banks. Terrorists use these banks. And American corporations use these banks...including osome of our largest banks in the States, and this is why congress will do nothing about these "outlets." Look up (search engine) offshore banking and see how easy it is to arrange!
2002-03-05 11:22:06 AM  
Here are some people that have it figured out. Billionaires for bush (or
2002-03-05 11:28:52 AM  
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100% to Democrats
0% to Replublicans

(according to a search on The Soft Money Laundromat for all election cycles in their database, back to 95/96)
2002-03-05 11:35:31 AM  
Beav: I read all your links. I still don't see where they support Kyoto. Sure they state that they support legislation, but not Kyoto as it were.
"Enron continues to share its expertise on how market-based mechanisms included in the Kyoto Protocol -- such as emissions trading -- could be structured to work effectively.
" Sounds to me like they want to be a player to PREVENT Kyoto being effective.

Oh, Thanks for explaining to me how google works, I always have difficulty with the logical operands though, perhaps you could explain that to me?
2002-03-05 11:50:07 AM  
From http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/nation/ny-usener182555979jan1​8​.story?c oll=ny-nationalnews-print:

Fleischer noted that the plan rejected Enron's support for the Kyoto global warming accord, which the company saw as a business opportunity because the treaty envisioned reducing greenhouse gas emissions through a system of global emissions credits that could be bought and sold.

From http://www.nationalcenter.org/NPA384.html:

With a payoff worth tens of billions of dollars at stake, Enron Corporation laid out millions in campaign contributions in the 1990s apparently in part to persuade the Clinton Administration and the U.S. Senate to support the Kyoto global warming treaty.

Enron hoped to cash in on the Kyoto treaty by masterminding a worldwide trading network in which major industries could buy and sell credits to emit carbon dioxide - the inert gas that some scientists and most environment-alists believe contributes to global warming.

The Houston firm's lobbying push appeared to be on the verge of success when Vice President Al Gore signed the Kyoto Protocol in November of 1998.

From http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&node=&conten​tId=A372 87-2002Jan12&notFound=true:

On Aug. 4, 1997, Lay and seven other energy executives met with Clinton, Gore, Rubin and other top officials at the White House to discuss the U.S. position at the upcoming conference on global warming in Kyoto, Japan. Lay, in a memo to Enron employees, said there was broad consensus in favor of an emissions-trading system.

Enron officials later expressed elation at the results of the Kyoto conference. An internal memo said the Kyoto agreement, if implemented, would "do more to promote Enron's business than almost any other regulatory initiative outside of restructuring the energy and natural gas industries in Europe and the United States.


Is that good enough to show that Enron supported and wanted the Kyoto accord enforeced or do I need to get Kenneth Lay himself on the phone to you?

As an added bonus... a link about logical operands
2002-03-05 11:51:55 AM  
You DA MAN! Beav. Thanks! ;) Oh, I beleive you know too! ;)
2002-03-05 12:05:38 PM  
Very nice work Beav. I was just going to link to that national center for policy analysis article before I saw yours.

Enron supported an environmentally left policy, because they stood to profit from it. Not too many big businesses want to waste time lobbying for free trade and less governmental regulation when that means that their market share could be threatened by competition.
2002-03-05 12:20:23 PM  
Ditto's Grasshopper. If you support Democrats, you also support Communism. You know, communism--that's the type of government that provides for the people as they see fit, instead of letting them live their own lives without a lot of interference from the government!

Yup, just like a democracy taken to the extreme. Just remember folks, for now, and hopefully forever, we don't live in a democracy--we live in a Republic!
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