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2023-03-19 12:27:55 AM  
Medium size banks: We've so grossly mismanaged the increase in interest rates the only way to keep the stability of the banking system is to remove all risk from it via a guarantee from the government.

This is literally socialism for the rich. Heads they win, tails you lose.
 
2023-03-19 1:33:39 AM  
"Yeah, so... we'd like to be able to just do whatever the f*ck we want for a couple years, and you'll foot the bill if we lose everyone's money, right?  So... we're cool?"
 
2023-03-19 6:14:56 AM  
Dear Fed,
I am planning a trip to Vegas. Please insure all my wagers.
I also respectfully request a per diem of one kilo of premium Colombian snow and 3-7 unsullied women.
 
2023-03-19 6:24:59 AM  

MillionDollarMo: Dear Fed,
I am planning a trip to Vegas. Please insure all my wagers.
I also respectfully request a per diem of one kilo of premium Colombian snow and 3-7 unsullied women.


3-7? Best they can do is 2!
 
2023-03-19 6:31:33 AM  

NotoriousFire: MillionDollarMo: Dear Fed,
I am planning a trip to Vegas. Please insure all my wagers.
I also respectfully request a per diem of one kilo of premium Colombian snow and 3-7 unsullied women.

3-7? Best they can do is 2!


Regretfully,
If unsullied women cannot be procured I will accept sullied women or unsullied men at an exchange of 4:1
 
2023-03-19 6:37:35 AM  
We were just told from the highest levels on Friday that the banking system was sound, so this can't be necessary, right?
 
2023-03-19 6:42:41 AM  
Sure.  Increase the premiums that all banks pay to cover this request.  Oh wait, they want it for free?
 
2023-03-19 6:43:56 AM  

yahyahyah: We were just told from the highest levels on Friday that the banking system was sound, so this can't be necessary, right?


Every time they've said that, the more nervous I've become. It feels like they're propping the system up to let rich people get their money safe before it collapses.
 
2023-03-19 6:45:21 AM  
Fine. Also, $250,000 salary caps, no C-suite bonuses and no golden parachutes if the bank goes tits up for the term of the insurance coverage.
 
2023-03-19 6:49:40 AM  

Lsherm: Medium size banks: We've so grossly mismanaged the increase in interest rates the only way to keep the stability of the banking system is to remove all risk from it via a guarantee from the government.

This is literally socialism for the rich. Heads they win, tails you lose.


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2023-03-19 6:54:59 AM  
Take a read of FDR's fireside chat. It's the same as it ever was, shotgun shack, etc.

https://www.fdic.gov/about/history/3-12-33transcript.html
 
2023-03-19 7:00:31 AM  

Sabreace22: yahyahyah: We were just told from the highest levels on Friday that the banking system was sound, so this can't be necessary, right?

Every time they've said that, the more nervous I've become. It feels like they're propping the system up to let rich people get their money safe before it collapses.


That's exactly what they're doing.
 
2023-03-19 7:05:19 AM  

MillionDollarMo: NotoriousFire: MillionDollarMo: Dear Fed,
I am planning a trip to Vegas. Please insure all my wagers.
I also respectfully request a per diem of one kilo of premium Colombian snow and 3-7 unsullied women.

3-7? Best they can do is 2!

Regretfully,
If unsullied women cannot be procured I will accept sullied women or unsullied men at an exchange of 4:1


How do you feel about cats?
 
2023-03-19 7:17:39 AM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: "Yeah, so... we'd like to be able to just do whatever the f*ck we want for a couple years, and you'll foot the bill if we lose everyone's money, right?  So... we're cool?"


This. If all deposits are guaranteed without limit then there's no worries about playing fast and loose with the assets of the bank. It would be like going to a casino and being told in advance that no matter what you'd leave with AT LEAST as much money as you came in with...so why not make some risky bets?
 
2023-03-19 7:20:25 AM  

Smirky the Wonder Chimp: Sabreace22: yahyahyah: We were just told from the highest levels on Friday that the banking system was sound, so this can't be necessary, right?

Every time they've said that, the more nervous I've become. It feels like they're propping the system up to let rich people get their money safe before it collapses.

That's exactly what they're doing.


Think of it as a very young child who runs into the kitchen, and in a distressed voice says  "The bathroom was fine when I was there."
 
2023-03-19 7:26:32 AM  
What the actual?  Do I really need to put my money into a mattress?
 
2023-03-19 7:34:52 AM  
They're hoping that if the FED guarantees all of their deposits, they'll be able to attract more money and go from a medium bank to a big bank.
 
2023-03-19 7:39:55 AM  
Sure sounds like something a Communist would ask for.
 
2023-03-19 7:42:11 AM  

kid_icarus: MillionDollarMo: NotoriousFire: MillionDollarMo: Dear Fed,
I am planning a trip to Vegas. Please insure all my wagers.
I also respectfully request a per diem of one kilo of premium Colombian snow and 3-7 unsullied women.

3-7? Best they can do is 2!

Regretfully,
If unsullied women cannot be procured I will accept sullied women or unsullied men at an exchange of 4:1

How do you feel about cats?


Have they been bathed?
 
2023-03-19 7:43:20 AM  

Lsherm: Medium size banks: We've so grossly mismanaged the increase in interest rates the only way to keep the stability of the banking system is to remove all risk from it via a guarantee from the government.

This is literally socialism for the rich. Heads they win, tails you lose.


That's not what's going on here at all.

The problem right now is that there's capital flight from mid-sized banks into large, systemically important banks.  It's moving so fast that banks can't cash in their assets fast enough to keep up.

The reason this is happening now is that a few days ago, the fed implied that depositors in big banks will be fully insured, but wouldn't make the same assurance about mid size banks.

So It's not unreasonable for depositors with millions of dollars to do the safe thing and move it to a bank that they know the fed will back beyond the insurance limit.

It was a misstep on the feds part.  Until they walk back that statement, money will flee smaller banks and there's a risk of more failures.
 
2023-03-19 7:46:00 AM  
Whenever they say it's just this one bank here or there and we've got it contained...

Yeah, no they do not.
 
2023-03-19 7:59:04 AM  

VanBurenBoy: Lsherm: Medium size banks: We've so grossly mismanaged the increase in interest rates the only way to keep the stability of the banking system is to remove all risk from it via a guarantee from the government.

This is literally socialism for the rich. Heads they win, tails you lose.

That's not what's going on here at all.

The problem right now is that there's capital flight from mid-sized banks into large, systemically important banks.  It's moving so fast that banks can't cash in their assets fast enough to keep up.

The reason this is happening now is that a few days ago, the fed implied that depositors in big banks will be fully insured, but wouldn't make the same assurance about mid size banks.

So It's not unreasonable for depositors with millions of dollars to do the safe thing and move it to a bank that they know the fed will back beyond the insurance limit.

It was a misstep on the feds part.  Until they walk back that statement, money will flee smaller banks and there's a risk of more failures.


Even if you are right (and you aren't), that's still no reason to give midsize banks carte blance to FA with no risk of FO. It's a reason to walk back the Fed's "implied" guarantee to large banks. And then to take other measures to stabilize the system.

The reason deposits are at risk in midsize banks is not because the Fed won't guarantee deposits above the FDIC insurance limit, for the obvious reason that the Fed has never guaranteed such deposits in the past and nobody said it put midsize banks at risk. Depositors took risks by depositing money above that limit with banks that in turn took risks by mismanaging the interest rate environment, among other mistakes.

And if you think that the solution to that is to guarantee deposits, you don't understand what the word "risk" means.
 
2023-03-19 8:04:55 AM  
FDIC insurance is paid for by banks and only applies when banks fail.  It makes sure that people actually  think it is ok to keep money in banks.  It's one of the most successful government programs of the last 100 years.
This is different from a bailout, where the bank doesn't fail because the government lends them money to cover their losses.
The banks want the insurance rate they pay raised, and a higher limit set with that new rate.  If the people with deposits there ever collect that insurance, it's  on the banks last day existing.
 
2023-03-19 8:21:22 AM  

HugeMistake: VanBurenBoy: Lsherm: Medium size banks: We've so grossly mismanaged the increase in interest rates the only way to keep the stability of the banking system is to remove all risk from it via a guarantee from the government.

This is literally socialism for the rich. Heads they win, tails you lose.

That's not what's going on here at all.

The problem right now is that there's capital flight from mid-sized banks into large, systemically important banks.  It's moving so fast that banks can't cash in their assets fast enough to keep up.

The reason this is happening now is that a few days ago, the fed implied that depositors in big banks will be fully insured, but wouldn't make the same assurance about mid size banks.

So It's not unreasonable for depositors with millions of dollars to do the safe thing and move it to a bank that they know the fed will back beyond the insurance limit.

It was a misstep on the feds part.  Until they walk back that statement, money will flee smaller banks and there's a risk of more failures.

Even if you are right (and you aren't), that's still no reason to give midsize banks carte blance to FA with no risk of FO. It's a reason to walk back the Fed's "implied" guarantee to large banks. And then to take other measures to stabilize the system.

The reason deposits are at risk in midsize banks is not because the Fed won't guarantee deposits above the FDIC insurance limit, for the obvious reason that the Fed has never guaranteed such deposits in the past and nobody said it put midsize banks at risk. Depositors took risks by depositing money above that limit with banks that in turn took risks by mismanaging the interest rate environment, among other mistakes.

And if you think that the solution to that is to guarantee deposits, you don't understand what the word "risk" means.


Frankly any bank that is "too big to fail" should be set up to be broken up if any require extra help... along with claiming any bonuses executives received for the past 4 years...
 
2023-03-19 8:26:14 AM  

HugeMistake: VanBurenBoy: Lsherm: Medium size banks: We've so grossly mismanaged the increase in interest rates the only way to keep the stability of the banking system is to remove all risk from it via a guarantee from the government.

This is literally socialism for the rich. Heads they win, tails you lose.

That's not what's going on here at all.

The problem right now is that there's capital flight from mid-sized banks into large, systemically important banks.  It's moving so fast that banks can't cash in their assets fast enough to keep up.

The reason this is happening now is that a few days ago, the fed implied that depositors in big banks will be fully insured, but wouldn't make the same assurance about mid size banks.

So It's not unreasonable for depositors with millions of dollars to do the safe thing and move it to a bank that they know the fed will back beyond the insurance limit.

It was a misstep on the feds part.  Until they walk back that statement, money will flee smaller banks and there's a risk of more failures.

Even if you are right (and you aren't), that's still no reason to give midsize banks carte blance to FA with no risk of FO. It's a reason to walk back the Fed's "implied" guarantee to large banks. And then to take other measures to stabilize the system.

The reason deposits are at risk in midsize banks is not because the Fed won't guarantee deposits above the FDIC insurance limit, for the obvious reason that the Fed has never guaranteed such deposits in the past and nobody said it put midsize banks at risk. Depositors took risks by depositing money above that limit with banks that in turn took risks by mismanaging the interest rate environment, among other mistakes.

And if you think that the solution to that is to guarantee deposits, you don't understand what the word "risk" means.


Uhh, it is actually much closer than you think. Banks, mid sized, and small have an ill-liquidity issue. This is often times unnoticed by the customer, because it is not common to have large volumes of withdrawals taking place all at once, such as a run. Smaller, and mid sized banks often attract customers through the promise of accounts that produce a higher return. These are offering products such as mutual funds, or and savings accounts that are based on less secure bonds, however, the lion's share of ALL banks, not just small, and medium, but large sized banks as well have large holdings of T-Bills, which are directly affected by a change in interest rate.

Small and medium sized banks put a LOT more of their assets into bonds and T-bills. This is to use volume to produce a higher return over all, because the pool held in bonds is large. This means they have less cash on hand. To put this in simple terms as to what is currently happening, I'll just use some simple numbers:

If your current T-bill holdings have an 1% return rate, and the interest rate rises, and the new T-bills are being offered for 3%, your current bills are worth far less than the more attractive 3% on market for exchange. This would be fine if you let the T-bill reach maturity, and you receive the 1% on top of your primary. However, because such a high volume of the bank assets are held in these bonds, AND you couple that with a HIGH volume of customers requesting to empty out their accounts, which the bank is obligated to do, the banks MUST sell some of these bills at a high loss.

This means the Ill-liquidity issue the banks often have at the small and medium level VERY QUICKLY becomes an insolvency issue, because the banks can no longer provide money to account holders, pay on the debts that the banks hold, as well as guarantee salaries, paychecks of employees and other operating costs.

Banks build their operations around payouts of bonds, T-bills, and other "safer" assets. When people refer to banks taking risks, the risky choices a bank takes is when banks also use a portion of the assets to offer riskly loans, mortgages, business loans to people who often times cannot honor the terms and conditions of the loan, ergo, the debtor defaults on their loans. The other optics that people think about banks but is actually often a small portion of their assets are high risk investments like stocks in non-blue chip stocks. But often times, that is at the request of a customer to have a high risk, high return portfolio handled by the bank.
 
2023-03-19 8:26:47 AM  
This is *exactly* like how the Community Reinvestment Act *forced* banks to loan to *those* people, and also bundle shiatty NINJA mortgages into AAA-rated securities backed by Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.

The *real* problem here is job-killing regulations requiring banks to maintain reserves in so-called high-quality assets like Treasury bonds. If banks were given the freedom to diversify with cryptoassets and Trump commemorative J6 coins, everything would be fine.

Study it out
 
2023-03-19 8:33:15 AM  
Roaring 20's II
Our prosperity and world standing are going to last forever.
It's a historical fact.
 
2023-03-19 8:38:30 AM  

MillionDollarMo: NotoriousFire: MillionDollarMo: Dear Fed,
I am planning a trip to Vegas. Please insure all my wagers.
I also respectfully request a per diem of one kilo of premium Colombian snow and 3-7 unsullied women.

3-7? Best they can do is 2!

Regretfully,
If unsullied women cannot be procured I will accept sullied women or unsullied men at an exchange of 4:1


Unsullied men at your service
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2023-03-19 8:48:55 AM  
Anyone with more than 250k in the bank needs to buy stocks with the rest to prop up my 401(k).
 
2023-03-19 8:51:54 AM  
Why two years.  That's really suspicious.  Why not just 26 minutes?
 
2023-03-19 9:01:45 AM  

BitwiseShift: Why two years.  That's really suspicious.  Why not just 26 minutes?


They are hoping that rates decrease to push up the value of the bonds so that when sold they are not sold at a loss, wiping them out. But, this being Gov, it will become permament.

Side note: Yellen told Congress this week that they are picking winners and losers, and that the losers will be small/regional. No wonder capital is fleeing their deposits going to big 4. She a farking idiot. Link to testimony.
 
2023-03-19 9:01:54 AM  

BitwiseShift: Why two years.  That's really suspicious.  Why not just 26 minutes?


I highly suspect the asking of two years by mid level banks is because this guarantees that the optics a customer has is that their account is now guaranteed, ergo, they no longer feel the need to completely empty their account and move it to a separate bank.

This gives the bank time to properly liquidate many of their bonds and T-bill assets without having to sell it on exchange markets at a loss, plus banks generally operate slowly through policy requirements, and procedures. The two years is basically saying: "Please let us properly liquidate assets to have more cash on hand.", or for 'some' banks: "Please let us continue using almost all our assets and continue to be ill-liquid".
 
2023-03-19 9:11:09 AM  
They should offer their customers private insurance on their deposits. Doesn't need to be a government function.
 
2023-03-19 9:19:03 AM  

Lsherm: Medium size banks: We've so grossly mismanaged the increase in interest rates the only way to keep the stability of the banking system is to remove all risk from it via a guarantee from the government.

This is literally socialism for the rich. Heads they win, tails you lose.


Not really.  The problem is that the feds have essentially said that if a big bank fails, they will cover all deposits even over the $250K limit.

This means that if I have $1 million in the bank, I'd be a fool not to move it to a big bank.  Maybe I liked dealing with my local town bank because I play golf with one of the executives.  They treated me well and so I kept my $1 million there.  But certainly not any more - if the FDIC is going to cover my deposits at a big bank, but not at a small bank, guess where I'm going.

I'm not sure what the solution is - either say "we're covering all deposits everywhere with no limit" or say "we're going to enforce the $250K limit no matter what, sorry nursing home, you can't make payroll this month".  But you can't say "we're going to sometimes enforce the $250K limit and not enforce it other times".
 
2023-03-19 9:23:21 AM  
No bailouts; I hope they fail. Every bank, everywhere all at once.
 
2023-03-19 9:34:02 AM  
So, under capitalism, these banks would fail?
 
2023-03-19 9:45:41 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: What the actual?  Do I really need to put my money into a mattress?


I have equal parts of cash and money in two credit unions.
 
2023-03-19 9:52:16 AM  

uberaverage: Anyone with more than 250k in the bank needs to buy stocks with the rest to prop up my 401(k).


Any individual with more than 250k in a deposit account needs to look at some investments. Bolded because that caveat is important.

Corporations, however, often need more in the account when paychecks go out. This was a factor in SVB, there were a lot of Silly Valley companies banking there - both IT companies ordered to by their VCs and other companies who were looking for a large, low-fee bank for corporate accounts, and the $250K limit meant that, on that Friday the 10th and Wednesday the 15th, there would be a lot of people seeing their paychecks bounce.

This would have been financial cataclysm. What do you think happens when all of a sudden a significant fraction of workers and companies find that their paychecks and their accounts payable checks bounce because SVB died and the $250K limit came into play? What would be the state of banks right now?

The problem here is that the wealthy are moving their investment accounts out in large amounts, which is stressing the bank's cash reserves.

Now, there are banks that don't have a strong investment portfolio, and funny enough, they're fine. Ditto credit unions. But there are a number of banks who are being forced into a bad cash position by a combination of a heavy treasury load that's now a painful loss if they sell AND people with real money fleeing to "quality."

(Once upon a time there were rules about deposit banks having investment arms, they had to be basically separate so the investment bank wouldn't harm the deposit bank, but GOP happened.)

What these banks are hoping to prevent (and I'm willing to be at least one won't be able to) is corporations and individual fleeing with their cash as well, which would certainly end them in the same way that SVB went down. A real question is will that matter to banks who also offer large investment accounts, because those accounts aren't protected....and people are fleeing to quality with those investments.

IDisposable: This means that if I have $1 million in the bank, I'd be a fool not to move it to a big bank.


People who understand how DEPOSIT insurance works don't follow you. Because, well, if that is a deposit account, they have someone put it into several banks, each at the $250K limit, and more importantly, why would you leave $1M in a deposit account that pays fark-all in interest?

They're moving to the big banks REGARDLESS of the Feds backing FDIC insurance for the total amount of the deposit insurance because they don't have $1M in a deposit account, they have most of that in an INVESTMENT account which is in no way protected by FDIC, and if the bank fails they are, at best, waiting months to get any of that money.

Now, there is one class of bank users that does have large balances in deposit accounts - corporations who are moving money into those accounts to handle payments for goods and services, and to pay employees. If you're writing $750K worth of payroll every payday, you need to have $750K in that account when the checks hiat. These accounts are vulnerable to the $250K limit, and worse, the penalties for bouncing paychecks are often nasty. They often have a large money-market account as well and sweep money into the payroll and accounts payable accounts when needed, that way. That's covered by FDIC...to $250K, but that means nothing if you know there's a couple of million in payments and paychecks happening soon.

Bouncing paychecks is also bad for people who get paid by them. Some can weather a couple of weeks/months for the storm to subside but many other are farked if that paycheck bounces. Yes, the ones who can weather the storm will often be paid more because they were paid late, but that's little compensation when you have nowhere to live and nothing to eat because you are living paycheck-to-paycheck.

So:

The wealthy? They're moving anyway because FDIC means nothing to them, they just want their money out. Covering 100% of deposit accounts helps them none. Covering the investment accounts is a massive bailout to the rich for failed investments and the right answer if the Feds do that is pitchforks and torches. However, the Feds know this, so they won't.

The not-wealthy? They're covered, and if you have more that $250K in an account do something about that. I'm recalling that if it's a joint account with a spouse you both get the $250K but IIRC often equals IIRC, but I didn't....so confirm that before relying on it, but if you have over $250K in a checking account, do something to make sure that IF your bank has a run, your money will be available. In fact, do something so that inflation isn't destroying the value of that money.

Corporations using deposit accounts? They HAVE to move if the accounts aren't certain to be safe because they cannot afford what happens if all their accounts drop to $250K in a bank failure, because they have to write checks that must clear - when they pay for things and whey they make payroll, which is usually every two weeks or twice a month, but there are weekly and monthly payroll cycles as well.

So, getting FDIC to cover the entire deposit account, not the first $250K, keeps corporations from moving their deposit accounts. It also probably helps consumers not do so as well, even though they're entirely covered, a big part of bank runs is basically people panicking.

And that's why the mid-tier banks want this. They can't stop the investment accounts leaving, and if they have too much invested into those accounts, they might be doomed regardless. But if they also lose corporate customers trying to safeguard their ability to pay for things/pay workers, and individuals afraid because all the rich people and companies are leaving.....they're farked.

They may be farked anyway - all depends on their account ratios. But if everyone leaves, they're proper farked.
 
2023-03-19 10:06:03 AM  
If you are holding American dollars, chances are you could soon be holding worthless paper.

Same goes for most American investments.

If you have physical gold in the USA, or any other precious metal. that is not safe from government confiscation.

Time to invest in something nice and safe, food, fuel, women, cigarettes.

Anything else is either worthless paper, or "not yours".
 
2023-03-19 10:13:28 AM  

SanityIsAFullTimeJob: They should offer their customers private insurance on their deposits. Doesn't need to be a government function.


Why would a customer pay insurance at a small bank instead of just moving their money to Chase or BofA?
 
2023-03-19 10:17:47 AM  

CaitoStreet: lotsa stuff


Thanks for the breakdown. Do credit unions operate differently? Everyone says go to a credit union but they also need a way to keep operating.
 
2023-03-19 10:19:12 AM  

HugeMistake: Even if you are right (and you aren't), that's still no reason to give midsize banks carte blance to FA with no risk of FO. It's a reason to walk back the Fed's "implied" guarantee to large banks. And then to take other measures to stabilize the system.

The reason deposits are at risk in midsize banks is not because the Fed won't guarantee deposits above the FDIC insurance limit, for the obvious reason that the Fed has never guaranteed such deposits in the past and nobody said it put midsize banks at risk. Depositors took risks by depositing money above that limit with banks that in turn took risks by mismanaging the interest rate environment, among other mistakes.

And if you think that the solution to that is to guarantee deposits, you don't understand what the word "risk" means.


Except, as noted, they just did guarantee unlimited deposits at large banks.  So large depositors are doing the logical thing and accepting this FA free card.  As is the obvious result of such a policy.  And no amount of verbal walking back will matter unless they actually walk the walk.
 
2023-03-19 10:25:55 AM  

acouvis: Frankly any bank that is "too big to fail" should be set up to be broken up if any require extra help...


Set a limit on bank assets, say $25B. When they hit that, the bank gets split in half.

It would increase competition and would expand opportunities for people to move into the C suite.

Letting a bank to amass $200-300B in assets is asking for trouble.

Frankly, we need a lot of reform across the entire financial sector, but I don't see that happening any time soon.
 
2023-03-19 10:27:51 AM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: "Yeah, so... we'd like to be able to just do whatever the f*ck we want for a couple years, and you'll foot the bill if we lose everyone's money, right?  So... we're cool?"


It's more nuanced.

We did what ever we wanted. And it will take two years to no go tits up.
 
2023-03-19 10:28:12 AM  
How much are they willing to pay in increased insurance premiums?
 
2023-03-19 10:28:40 AM  

BMFPitt: HugeMistake: Even if you are right (and you aren't), that's still no reason to give midsize banks carte blance to FA with no risk of FO. It's a reason to walk back the Fed's "implied" guarantee to large banks. And then to take other measures to stabilize the system.

The reason deposits are at risk in midsize banks is not because the Fed won't guarantee deposits above the FDIC insurance limit, for the obvious reason that the Fed has never guaranteed such deposits in the past and nobody said it put midsize banks at risk. Depositors took risks by depositing money above that limit with banks that in turn took risks by mismanaging the interest rate environment, among other mistakes.

And if you think that the solution to that is to guarantee deposits, you don't understand what the word "risk" means.

Except, as noted, they just did guarantee unlimited deposits at large banks.  So large depositors are doing the logical thing and accepting this FA free card.  As is the obvious result of such a policy.  And no amount of verbal walking back will matter unless they actually walk the walk.


The guarantee only really matters for the sort-of big banks like PNC.  The mega-banks are inherently safer than smaller banks through sheer size, asset diversity and regulatory attention.

The run at SVB involved $40B dollars going directly from SVB to Chase.  Unless you want to see that repeated for every bank smaller than, like, Wells Fargo, the FDIC and Fed need to make corporate depositors feel less jittery.
 
2023-03-19 10:33:28 AM  

brilett: How much are they willing to pay in increased insurance premiums?


The depositors are willing to pay zero because they can just move their money to a safer bank.

The banks may be willing to pay some amount, but I don't know why the FDIC would actually charge them.  Making the guarantee *reduces* the chance of a run and likely makes the DIF more sound than it would be in the absence of the guarantee.
 
2023-03-19 10:34:26 AM  

MillionDollarMo: Dear Fed,
I am planning a trip to Vegas. Please insure all my wagers.
I also respectfully request a per diem of one kilo of premium Colombian snow and 3-7 unsullied women.


But sullied women are much more fun.
 
2023-03-19 10:44:20 AM  

Sabreace22: yahyahyah: We were just told from the highest levels on Friday that the banking system was sound, so this can't be necessary, right?

Every time they've said that, the more nervous I've become. It feels like they're propping the system up to let rich people get their money safe before it collapses.


I mean, they just bailed out First Republic Bank on Thursday after seizing SVB and Signature Bank the week prior.

Everything is fine. Right?
 
2023-03-19 10:45:09 AM  

Sabreace22: yahyahyah: We were just told from the highest levels on Friday that the banking system was sound, so this can't be necessary, right?

Every time they've said that, the more nervous I've become. It feels like they're propping the system up to let rich people get their money safe before it collapses.


Yup. As soon as I saw the news that 300+ banks needed help, I took that as a statement that the end of the US Economy will be within the next 2-3 years

It's already been propped up by government sanctioned fraud for 3 decades now, the wealthy elite are all about wealth extraction and there is no way to keep stealing from a well that's running dry... so good bye civilized society

If you don't have an AR-15, maybe you're just too liberal to survive what's coming. We're about to enter violent times where  in America we will get to see what 300 million people do to each other when the water and power shutoff, civil services are gone and night falls

Rachel Maddow won't be there to tell you that those angry red necks shooting people dead in the streets from their beds of roving pickup trucks aren't anything to worry about

I suspect the suicide rate amongst liberals will be close to 80%. Hard to deal with accepting a new way of life that you have zero understanding of or skills for
 
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