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(New Musical Express)   Ukrainian ambassador says Roger Waters is "another brick in the wall Russian propaganda," insists the singer wants Ukraine comfortably numb to Russia and doesn't want their army learning fly fighter jets. It's about money but it is just us and them   (nme.com) divider line
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2023-02-09 7:57:46 AM  
Learning to Fly is a post Waters project. Gilmour wrote it when he was literally training for his pilot's license.
 
2023-02-09 8:12:20 AM  
It's clear that the West forced Putin to invade Chechnya, Georgia, Crimea, and now Ukraine proper.  We'll be forcing them to invade Poland next, along with Lithuania, Estonia, Latvia, and Finland.  Proper bastards, we are.

This is what Roger Waters actually believes.
 
2023-02-09 8:21:50 AM  
Fortunately, Roger Waters is just an entertainer and his opinions are farts in a windstorm.
 
2023-02-09 8:27:23 AM  
Maybe we should just change "follow up" to "b-side".
 
2023-02-09 8:30:44 AM  
Several Species of Small Furry Animals Gathered Together in a Cave and Sucking Putin's Dick.

/I got nothin'
 
2023-02-09 8:31:00 AM  
Why the f*ck is anyone taking anything Roger Waters says seriously?
 
2023-02-09 8:32:11 AM  

Great_Milenko: Fortunately, Roger Waters is just an entertainer and his opinions are farts in a windstorm.


But dammit, he wants everyone to listen to his opinions!

He's been irrelevant since 2011.
 
2023-02-09 8:37:35 AM  
Have a Cigar subby
 
2023-02-09 8:37:42 AM  

bluorangefyre: Great_Milenko: Fortunately, Roger Waters is just an entertainer and his opinions are farts in a windstorm.

But dammit, he wants everyone to listen to his opinions!

He's been irrelevant since 2011

Radio K.A.O.S.

And I only know that album because I had a college roommate who was obsessed with Floyd my freshman year.
 
2023-02-09 8:49:09 AM  
Roger Waters is an Ass trifecta in play
 
2023-02-09 8:51:05 AM  
Roger Waters needs his old arse kicked down the block and back again.
 
2023-02-09 9:00:31 AM  

hubiestubert: Why the f*ck is anyone taking anything Roger Waters says seriously?


Because he says the propaganda they want to say.
 
2023-02-09 9:15:08 AM  
I think Gilmours wife said it best, and without a single "curse" word:
"Sadly @rogerwaters you are antisemitic to your rotten core. Also a Putin apologist and a lying, thieving, hypocritical, tax-avoiding, lip-synching, misogynistic, sick-with-envy, megalomaniac. Enough of your nonsense."
 
2023-02-09 9:21:56 AM  

hubiestubert: bluorangefyre: Great_Milenko: Fortunately, Roger Waters is just an entertainer and his opinions are farts in a windstorm.

But dammit, he wants everyone to listen to his opinions!

He's been irrelevant since 2011 Radio K.A.O.S.

And I only know that album because I had a college roommate who was obsessed with Floyd my freshman year.



In the Floyd thread day before yesterday I said:

Fark user imageView Full Size


I didn't add my roommate story which differs only in that my housemate was not a Pink Floyd fan.  He was a Roger Waters fan.  I'm not sure his Infinity speakers survived that year [very late 80s].

/[Sotto voce à la Reggie Watts:  "Do you favorite yourself?  I do."
 
2023-02-09 9:25:26 AM  

rancher: I think Gilmours wife said it best, and without a single "curse" word:
"Sadly @rogerwaters you are antisemitic to your rotten core. Also a Putin apologist and a lying, thieving, hypocritical, tax-avoiding, lip-synching, misogynistic, sick-with-envy, megalomaniac. Enough of your nonsense."


It would be fascinating to see a Venn diagram of people who are still fans of Roger Waters, and people who think Hitler "wasn't that bad."
 
2023-02-09 9:33:34 AM  

Great_Milenko: Fortunately, Roger Waters is just an entertainer and his opinions are farts in a windstorm.


Not like the all-intellectual panel discussion of Boomers who still have "Russia = BAD" rattling around in their brains from the '50s/'80s and Hillary dead-enders who blame Russia when they shiat their pants.

Those are ever-flowing currents of wisdom!
 
2023-02-09 9:35:21 AM  
 
2023-02-09 9:36:30 AM  

EyeballKid: Great_Milenko: Fortunately, Roger Waters is just an entertainer and his opinions are farts in a windstorm.

Not like the all-intellectual panel discussion of Boomers who still have "Russia = BAD" rattling around in their brains from the '50s/'80s and Hillary dead-enders who blame Russia when they shiat their pants.

Those are ever-flowing currents of wisdom!


Speak of the devil.
 
2023-02-09 9:36:41 AM  
Learning fly?
 
2023-02-09 9:39:34 AM  

EyeballKid: Damn those Russians for taking out their own pipeline!


So a completely unsourced article, that reads like fanfic? Totes believable.
 
2023-02-09 9:41:09 AM  

hubiestubert: bluorangefyre: Great_Milenko: Fortunately, Roger Waters is just an entertainer and his opinions are farts in a windstorm.

But dammit, he wants everyone to listen to his opinions!

He's been irrelevant since 2011 Radio K.A.O.S.

And I only know that album because I had a college roommate who was obsessed with Floyd my freshman year.


I say 2011 since that was the year he let Dave back on top of The Wall to do the solo for Comfortably Numb.
 
2023-02-09 9:41:34 AM  
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"FAYK NOOZ! UNCLE JOE AND AUNT MIKA AIN'T SAID IT!"
 
2023-02-09 9:41:52 AM  

EyeballKid: Great_Milenko: Fortunately, Roger Waters is just an entertainer and his opinions are farts in a windstorm.

Not like the all-intellectual panel discussion of Boomers who still have "Russia = BAD" rattling around in their brains from the '50s/'80s and Hillary dead-enders who blame Russia when they shiat their pants.

Those are ever-flowing currents of wisdom!


Much better to get one's news from a pro-Russian source like the Daily Stormer or Stormfront.

Hillary bad! Jews bad! Russia good!!!
 
2023-02-09 9:43:02 AM  

EyeballKid: [cdn.shopify.com image 850x850]
"FAYK NOOZ! UNCLE JOE AND AUNT MIKA AIN'T SAID IT!"


Tucker Carlson, is that you?
 
2023-02-09 9:53:34 AM  
Imma do to Roger what I do with Morrissey and Ian Brown....continue to enjoy their music while actively, purposefully ignoring the viewpoints on anything. Honestly, I don't even think they realize that I'm not on board with their politics.
 
2023-02-09 10:04:04 AM  
Maybe on that famous drive they should've just not picked up Roger instead of Syd.
 
2023-02-09 10:09:36 AM  
Waters is who he is, and his politics should be no surprise to anyone who follows PF or his solo stuff, but I can't think of a valid reason to ever accept an invitation from Putin to speak for Russia at the UN.

It doesn't even matter what Waters says or said.  (I heard the speech.)  There are just some things you don't do, and being a Russian stooge is one of them.

/ can't think of any reason to accept any invitation from Vladamir Putin
// nikto
/// zyra
 
2023-02-09 10:10:02 AM  

EyeballKid: Damn those Russians for taking out their own pipeline!



We all know you're a complete farking moron, there's no need to provide further evidence.
 
2023-02-09 10:13:07 AM  

buttercat: Waters is who he is, and his politics should be no surprise to anyone who follows PF or his solo stuff, but I can't think of a valid reason to ever accept an invitation from Putin to speak for Russia at the UN.

It doesn't even matter what Waters says or said.  (I heard the speech.)  There are just some things you don't do, and being a Russian stooge is one of them.

/ can't think of any reason to accept any invitation from Vladamir Putin
// nikto
/// zyra


Stupid internet translations might be stupid and unreliable.  Sigh.
 
2023-02-09 10:14:50 AM  

You'd turn it off when I was halfway across: EyeballKid: Damn those Russians for taking out their own pipeline!


We all know you're a complete farking moron, there's no need to provide further evidence.


Why trust the same reporter who uncovered the My Lai massacre and Abu Ghraib torture when your vibes tell you it's FAYK NOOZ?
 
2023-02-09 10:32:36 AM  

EyeballKid: Great_Milenko: Fortunately, Roger Waters is just an entertainer and his opinions are farts in a windstorm.

Not like the all-intellectual panel discussion of Boomers who still have "Russia = BAD" rattling around in their brains from the '50s/'80s and Hillary dead-enders who blame Russia when they shiat their pants.

Those are ever-flowing currents of wisdom!


Hey everyone lets play spot the Russian Troll.
3/5 next time try to work in "Woke"
 
2023-02-09 10:37:08 AM  

optikeye: Hey everyone lets play spot the Russian Troll.


Do you have a list you'd care to share with us, Senator McCarthy?
 
2023-02-09 10:37:59 AM  

buttercat: Waters is who he is, and his politics should be no surprise to anyone who follows PF or his solo stuff, but I can't think of a valid reason to ever accept an invitation from Putin to speak for Russia at the UN.

It doesn't even matter what Waters says or said.  (I heard the speech.)  There are just some things you don't do, and being a Russian stooge is one of them.

/ can't think of any reason to accept any invitation from Vladamir Putin
// nikto
/// zyra


Singing Putin: 'Blueberry Hill'
Youtube ekeq4szDmJo
Do it for the kids!
 
2023-02-09 10:49:11 AM  

EyeballKid: optikeye: Hey everyone lets play spot the Russian Troll.

Do you have a list you'd care to share with us, Senator McCarthy?


You are a disgusting person.

Of course, if senator McCarthy were still alive, he would be on your side today, like most of the far right.
 
2023-02-09 10:53:58 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: It's clear that the West forced Putin to invade Chechnya, Georgia, Crimea, and now Ukraine proper.  We'll be forcing them to invade Poland next, along with Lithuania, Estonia, Latvia, and Finland.  Proper bastards, we are.

This is what Roger Waters actually believes.


I'm old enough to remember when this was going around Fark:

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As if Russia/Soviet Union hadn't been invading everyone they could, either directly or indirectly for the last eighty years.
 
2023-02-09 10:54:03 AM  
I guess this is where I get piled on in a Waters hate thread. Regardless of his current assholery, Floyd's creative output was far, far superior to post-Waters Floyd. It's just science.
 
2023-02-09 11:03:15 AM  
So many of you are still stuck in the Cold War. Let me break down for you why BSAB and Waters has a point you can't logically refute:

Putin is the face of illiberal oligarchic capitalism, aka Fascism. NATO was founded as a bulwark against encroaching Communism after the Communists won WWII by defeating the Nazis. NATO was staffed from its inception by former Nazi officials, as Nazis were indeed Fascists [a fusion of private industrial interests and the state] who were already diametrically opposed to Communism (along with US intelligence and missile research programs; this is uncontroversial fact, read about Operation Paperclip if you are unaware).

Ukraine has a loooooong history of issues being under Russia's thumb (read up on Kievan Rus', the Pogroms and the Pale for background), and its independence movement aligned with Nazis during WWII, with some Ukrainian air units becoming Luftwaffe subunits. It's current independence movement's most militant, the Azov Battalion, still revel in Nazi imagery and anti-Semitic thought, and have been made an official adjunct of military forces.

So we have NATO, founded and staffed by Fascists to keep Communists at bay; we have a fascist-adjacent military unit in Ukraine reveling in Nazi imagery and theory, and we have Putin, an illiberal oligarchic capitalist, aka Fascist, all fighting.

We have three elements of Fascism fighting each other. Why would any sane person take a side here? How do any of you seriously think that not taking the side of Fascism is simping for Naziism?

Principled Leftists know that hot war is only ever a tool of Fascism and the rich pulling the reins of capital, and only ever results in the death of workers and innocents. Lenin's concept of Revolutionary Defeatism says that in battles between factions of capital (which Fascism is just Capitalism in crisis), let them fight it out and sit on the sidelines. It's how the Bolsheviks took control, so it works.

Waters is a leftist, he hates fascism, and knows there is no win for the worker in a war where all sides are fascists. He is proposing to let capitalism kill itself. He's not a Nazi.

Putin aims to confuse low-information mainstream news watchers in the US & abroad by talking about Soviet glories and how great the USSR was, and by emphasizing vintage Communist struggle against Fascism.  He wants you to picture hammers & sickles and breadlines and brutalist apartment blocks. He has no intention of forming a worker-led government or expropriation of his friends wealth. He is using your ignorance of his rejection of Communism to make you embrace Western Fascism as the opposite of his Asiatic Fascism, and it's working. You'll all be under the same boot soon enough because you don't understand this and cling to Reaganite anti-communist bs.
 
2023-02-09 11:08:14 AM  
lostsatellite:

hOw mUcH iS pUtIn pAyInG yOu?!
 
2023-02-09 11:15:26 AM  

lostsatellite: Principled Leftists know that hot war is only ever a tool of Fascism and the rich pulling the reins of capital, and only ever results in the death of workers and innocents. Lenin's concept of Revolutionary Defeatism says that in battles between factions of capital (which Fascism is just Capitalism in crisis), let them fight it out and sit on the sidelines. It's how the Bolsheviks took control, so it works.


Your post is a pretty target-rich environment but this is just mind-numbingly ignorant of how Communism was implemented, how the Bolsheviks took control, etc.
 
2023-02-09 11:19:32 AM  
 
2023-02-09 11:20:13 AM  

bluorangefyre: Great_Milenko: Fortunately, Roger Waters is just an entertainer and his opinions are farts in a windstorm.

But dammit, he wants everyone to listen to his opinions!

He's been irrelevant since 2011.


He's been irrelevant since he left Floyd.
 
2023-02-09 11:23:32 AM  

hubiestubert: Why the f*ck is anyone taking anything Roger Waters says seriously?


You've had dozens of links greenlit.   You know why.
 
2023-02-09 11:26:03 AM  

lostsatellite: NATO was staffed from its inception by former Nazi officials


The former pope was a Nazi....pretty much every one of fighting age was.
Also that book you mentioned seems to be banned on Amazon....any idea why?
 
2023-02-09 11:44:03 AM  

lostsatellite: So many of you are still stuck in the Cold War. Let me break down for you why BSAB and Waters has a point you can't logically refute:

Putin is the face of illiberal oligarchic capitalism, aka Fascism. NATO was founded as a bulwark against encroaching Communism after the Communists won WWII by defeating the Nazis. NATO was staffed from its inception by former Nazi officials, as Nazis were indeed Fascists [a fusion of private industrial interests and the state] who were already diametrically opposed to Communism (along with US intelligence and missile research programs; this is uncontroversial fact, read about Operation Paperclip if you are unaware).

Ukraine has a loooooong history of issues being under Russia's thumb (read up on Kievan Rus', the Pogroms and the Pale for background), and its independence movement aligned with Nazis during WWII, with some Ukrainian air units becoming Luftwaffe subunits. It's current independence movement's most militant, the Azov Battalion, still revel in Nazi imagery and anti-Semitic thought, and have been made an official adjunct of military forces.

So we have NATO, founded and staffed by Fascists to keep Communists at bay; we have a fascist-adjacent military unit in Ukraine reveling in Nazi imagery and theory, and we have Putin, an illiberal oligarchic capitalist, aka Fascist, all fighting.

We have three elements of Fascism fighting each other. Why would any sane person take a side here? How do any of you seriously think that not taking the side of Fascism is simping for Naziism?

Principled Leftists know that hot war is only ever a tool of Fascism and the rich pulling the reins of capital, and only ever results in the death of workers and innocents. Lenin's concept of Revolutionary Defeatism says that in battles between factions of capital (which Fascism is just Capitalism in crisis), let them fight it out and sit on the sidelines. It's how the Bolsheviks took control, so it works.

Waters is a leftist, he hates fascism, and knows there is no win for the worker in a war where all sides are fascists. He is proposing to let capitalism kill itself. He's not a Nazi.

Putin aims to confuse low-information mainstream news watchers in the US & abroad by talking about Soviet glories and how great the USSR was, and by emphasizing vintage Communist struggle against Fascism.  He wants you to picture hammers & sickles and breadlines and brutalist apartment blocks. He has no intention of forming a worker-led government or expropriation of his friends wealth. He is using your ignorance of his rejection of Communism to make you embrace Western Fascism as the opposite of his Asiatic Fascism, and it's working. You'll all be under the same boot soon enough because you don't understand this and cling to Reaganite anti-communist bs.


This post was funnied by people who mask up while cheering for the Azov Battalion
 
2023-02-09 11:50:00 AM  

RandyJohnson: Learning fly?


I rolled my eyes at that. Not only is it a post-Waters song, it's missing a word from its title.

It's a good song though. But maybe I'm just a Gilmour fan... I'd much rather listen to Momentary Lapse of Reason or Division Bell than half of The Wall, The Final Cut, or any Waters solo album.
 
2023-02-09 11:50:56 AM  

Stud Gerbil: hubiestubert: Why the f*ck is anyone taking anything Roger Waters says seriously?

You've had dozens of links greenlit.   You know why.


Most of them were Boobies links.

Wait, did Waters grow an amazing rack when no one was looking? If so, I don't think that that sort of thing belongs on my personal erotica site...
 
2023-02-09 11:54:54 AM  

clkeagle: RandyJohnson: Learning fly?

I rolled my eyes at that. Not only is it a post-Waters song, it's missing a word from its title.

It's a good song though. But maybe I'm just a Gilmour fan... I'd much rather listen to Momentary Lapse of Reason or Division Bell than half of The Wall, The Final Cut, or any Waters solo album.


The Wall and The Final Cut ARE Waters solo albums AFAIC. They sure as fark aren't Pink Floyd albums.
 
2023-02-09 11:58:16 AM  

EyeballKid: lostsatellite:

hOw mUcH iS pUtIn pAyInG yOu?!


Switching between upper and lower case when responding to one of your alts is bad form.
 
2023-02-09 12:00:17 PM  

phygz: lostsatellite: So many of you are still stuck in the Cold War. Let me break down for you why BSAB and Waters has a point you can't logically refute:

Putin is the face of illiberal oligarchic capitalism, aka Fascism. NATO was founded as a bulwark against encroaching Communism after the Communists won WWII by defeating the Nazis. NATO was staffed from its inception by former Nazi officials, as Nazis were indeed Fascists [a fusion of private industrial interests and the state] who were already diametrically opposed to Communism (along with US intelligence and missile research programs; this is uncontroversial fact, read about Operation Paperclip if you are unaware).

Ukraine has a loooooong history of issues being under Russia's thumb (read up on Kievan Rus', the Pogroms and the Pale for background), and its independence movement aligned with Nazis during WWII, with some Ukrainian air units becoming Luftwaffe subunits. It's current independence movement's most militant, the Azov Battalion, still revel in Nazi imagery and anti-Semitic thought, and have been made an official adjunct of military forces.

So we have NATO, founded and staffed by Fascists to keep Communists at bay; we have a fascist-adjacent military unit in Ukraine reveling in Nazi imagery and theory, and we have Putin, an illiberal oligarchic capitalist, aka Fascist, all fighting.

We have three elements of Fascism fighting each other. Why would any sane person take a side here? How do any of you seriously think that not taking the side of Fascism is simping for Naziism?

Principled Leftists know that hot war is only ever a tool of Fascism and the rich pulling the reins of capital, and only ever results in the death of workers and innocents. Lenin's concept of Revolutionary Defeatism says that in battles between factions of capital (which Fascism is just Capitalism in crisis), let them fight it out and sit on the sidelines. It's how the Bolsheviks took control, so it works.

Waters is a leftist, he hates fascism, and knows there is no win for the worker in a war where all sides are fascists. He is proposing to let capitalism kill itself. He's not a Nazi.

Putin aims to confuse low-information mainstream news watchers in the US & abroad by talking about Soviet glories and how great the USSR was, and by emphasizing vintage Communist struggle against Fascism.  He wants you to picture hammers & sickles and breadlines and brutalist apartment blocks. He has no intention of forming a worker-led government or expropriation of his friends wealth. He is using your ignorance of his rejection of Communism to make you embrace Western Fascism as the opposite of his Asiatic Fascism, and it's working. You'll all be under the same boot soon enough because you don't understand this and cling to Reaganite anti-communist bs.

This post was funnied by people who mask up while cheering for the Azov Battalion


And was liked by people who get their talking points from Stormfront, while defending the Neo Nazi Wagner Group.

Like you.
 
2023-02-09 12:00:34 PM  

Cokezeroinacan: EyeballKid: lostsatellite:

hOw mUcH iS pUtIn pAyInG yOu?!

Switching between upper and lower case when responding to one of your alts is bad form.


I'm shocked it works. Fark seems to think that since I italicized something last week, everything must be italicized forever.
 
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