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blacknite [TotalFark]
2023-02-09 7:48:29 AM  
did not expect this to be about whales.

Have a 30something friend who still lives at home with his mom.  no job, hasn't looked for a decade.  has a degree.  not sure what he is doing.  his brother and wife have made it clear that the house gets sold once mom is gone. so idk what his plan is.  hope he gets something figured out or some inspiration to get up and do something.
 
Pocket Ninja [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-02-09 7:51:39 AM  

blacknite: did not expect this to be about whales.


But you not only gave away the joke of the headline right off the bat, but went ahead and changed the topic to be what you'd expected it to be about to boot. Awesome.
 
Private_Citizen [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-02-09 8:05:56 AM  
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koder [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-02-09 8:09:59 AM  
And here's the striking thing - since K35 was born two decades ago, his mom has never had another calf. Contrast that with other females in the population.

Sounds like she knows there are problems with increasingly limited resources and is focusing on keeping her existing progeny alive.

Anyway, on to the next article. Probably about how GenZ doesn't want to have any kids or something entirely unrelated.
 
ComaToast [OhFark]
2023-02-09 8:11:09 AM  
Killer whale moms have a helluva time making avocado toast.
 
sinko swimo
2023-02-09 8:11:56 AM  
during one of my mental health ward hospital in-house stays there was a India descent man around 19-20. he was in the ward because he was having trouble breaking away from his mother. very Peter Pan, he wanted to remain a little boy and have his mom look after him as if he were a child. I felt bad for him.
 
EdgeRunner [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-02-09 8:12:15 AM  

blacknite: did not expect this to be about whales.

Have a 30something friend who still lives at home with his mom.  no job, hasn't looked for a decade.  has a degree.  not sure what he is doing.  his brother and wife have made it clear that the house gets sold once mom is gone. so idk what his plan is.  hope he gets something figured out or some inspiration to get up and do something.


Sounds like it's time he stopped lurking and made the jump to becoming a mod. Take on some responsibility.
 
Private_Citizen [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-02-09 8:14:55 AM  

koder: And here's the striking thing - since K35 was born two decades ago, his mom has never had another calf. Contrast that with other females in the population.

Sounds like she knows there are problems with increasingly limited resources and is focusing on keeping her existing progeny alive.

Anyway, on to the next article. Probably about how GenZ doesn't want to have any kids or something entirely unrelated.


Economics is the key to having kids. If you can barely afford housing and food for yourself, you're not going to have kids.
 
Marcus Aurelius [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-02-09 8:15:18 AM  
Weiss can't think of another animal that makes this never-ending investment when it has the option of reproducing multiple times

I have one living just down the street from me.
 
oldfarthenry [TotalFark]
2023-02-09 8:16:02 AM  
Is this an incognito fat joke at the expense of our largest (pardon the pun) Fark demographic?
Shame on the body-shamers!
 
capt.snicklefritz [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-02-09 8:16:19 AM  
Even the goddamn whale youths are eating too much avocado toast. Incredible.
 
Samsonite Swan [OhFark]
2023-02-09 8:17:40 AM  
"Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if some of the next few calves that get popped out in the population are his," says Weiss.

That's how my wife and I describe it with our human kids; see, scientists ARE really just like us!
 
winedrinkingman
2023-02-09 8:18:19 AM  
Let's not be too quick to be judgmental about these Orcas.  For all we know these adult males might have the Orca version of Whale Autism.
 
DuneClimber
2023-02-09 8:18:30 AM  
I live with your mom, subby. And she pays all my bills.
 
Mr_Vimes
2023-02-09 8:19:13 AM  
Who knew that there were Italian killer whales.
 
ephemeralobject
2023-02-09 8:19:33 AM  
I thought this was going to be a Milf Manor joke, but now I've collected the mental phrase "Whale Mom" and that is going to stick with me.  Need more coffee for this.
 
Marcos P
2023-02-09 8:20:14 AM  
That's sad what if the whale has a problem or something if it can't eat on its own
 
hlehmann
2023-02-09 8:20:28 AM  

blacknite: did not expect this to be about whales.

Have a 30something friend who still lives at home with his mom.  no job, hasn't looked for a decade.  has a degree.  not sure what he is doing.  his brother and wife have made it clear that the house gets sold once mom is gone. so idk what his plan is.  hope he gets something figured out or some inspiration to get up and do something.


I have a 65 year old brother in law that lived with his mother his entire life except a brief period in the 80s. When she died two years ago of course the house was sold and he's now living in an overpriced motel, surviving on his portion of the sale of the house and a bit of social security.
 
MythDragon
2023-02-09 8:20:48 AM  

Pocket Ninja: blacknite: did not expect this to be about whales.

But you not only gave away the joke of the headline right off the bat, but went ahead and changed the topic to be what you'd expected it to be about to boot. Awesome.


I know you've been here a while, PN, but since apparently no one had done it in all this time, allow me to welcome you to Fark.
 
Private_Citizen [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-02-09 8:22:37 AM  
I know global fish population is down thanks to industrial fishing fleets. It's entirely possible a scarcity of resources is making it harder for him to survive on his own. This parallels... Something...
 
MythDragon
2023-02-09 8:23:10 AM  
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blacknite [TotalFark]
2023-02-09 8:23:19 AM  

Pocket Ninja: blacknite: did not expect this to be about whales.

But you not only gave away the joke of the headline right off the bat, but went ahead and changed the topic to be what you'd expected it to be about to boot. Awesome.


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The Dog Ate My Homework
2023-02-09 8:24:08 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: Weiss can't think of another animal that makes this never-ending investment when it has the option of reproducing multiple times

I have one living just down the street from me.


Hell, I have one living down the hallway from me.
 
RogueWallEnthusiast [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-02-09 8:25:40 AM  
Eddie and/or Ben's mom from It only in whale form.
 
Rapmaster2000
2023-02-09 8:27:45 AM  

blacknite: did not expect this to be about whales.

Have a 30something friend who still lives at home with his mom.  no job, hasn't looked for a decade.  has a degree.  not sure what he is doing.  his brother and wife have made it clear that the house gets sold once mom is gone. so idk what his plan is.  hope he gets something figured out or some inspiration to get up and do something.


My next-door neighbor's son just moved back in at age 30.  I'm not sure what he's doing.  He has a degree, but I'm not sure in what.  He mostly seems to spend his day vaping on the patio.
 
tricycleracer
2023-02-09 8:28:53 AM  
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Nogale
2023-02-09 8:30:04 AM  

Private_Citizen: koder: And here's the striking thing - since K35 was born two decades ago, his mom has never had another calf. Contrast that with other females in the population.

Sounds like she knows there are problems with increasingly limited resources and is focusing on keeping her existing progeny alive.

Anyway, on to the next article. Probably about how GenZ doesn't want to have any kids or something entirely unrelated.

Economics is the key to having kids. If you can barely afford housing and food for yourself, you're not going to have kids.


Which is of course why people in impoverished countries don't have kids.
 
sex_and_drugs_for_ian [BareFark]
2023-02-09 8:31:21 AM  
Weiss can't think of another animal that makes this never-ending investment when it has the option of reproducing multiple times.
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Not one?

Also:

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"The folks at Club Med are always surprised to learn that we're mother and son."

"Shocked even."
 
1funguy
2023-02-09 8:31:36 AM  

Private_Citizen: I know global fish population is down thanks to industrial fishing fleets. It's entirely possible a scarcity of resources is making it harder for him to survive on his own. This parallels... Something...


Less whales = more tasty battered fish filets.

Wouldn't be a whale left aside from zoos if we got to vote on this.

Captain D's would buying politicians instead of oil companies.

I'm sure there would be a grant given to some college to study "Why Do Whales Create So Much Ocean Plastic?"

The Catholics could rustle up some ancient whale-slayer patron saint for a particularly large donation.

Sigh.

Are we the baddies..?
 
wxboy
2023-02-09 8:32:38 AM  

winedrinkingman: Let's not be too quick to be judgmental about these Orcas.  For all we know these adult males might have the Orca version of Whale Autism.


Have you been "vaccinating" whales again?
 
Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste
2023-02-09 8:33:14 AM  
I know the article is about orcas, but about this other thing.

Other non-American cultures are not as obsessed about breaking up generational families into multiple dwellings. It really is a very American idea, and somewhat recent. Other cultures value pooling resources, whether financial or practical.

Once American home builders sold the idea of moving out to sell more homes, and then pensions were killed and wages stagnated, the idea of home ownership became the hallowed idea of a source of retirement.

Basically another way we've been manipulated and then perpetuate the prisons we're locked into.
 
Rapmaster2000
2023-02-09 8:36:50 AM  
Economics is the key to having kids. If you can barely afford housing and food for yourself, you're not going to have kids.

Well, besides that we see the inverse in practice - the more economic security a citizen has, the less children they have.  You can buy a house in Italy for $1.

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Private_Citizen [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-02-09 8:37:17 AM  

Nogale: Private_Citizen: koder: And here's the striking thing - since K35 was born two decades ago, his mom has never had another calf. Contrast that with other females in the population.

Sounds like she knows there are problems with increasingly limited resources and is focusing on keeping her existing progeny alive.

Anyway, on to the next article. Probably about how GenZ doesn't want to have any kids or something entirely unrelated.

Economics is the key to having kids. If you can barely afford housing and food for yourself, you're not going to have kids.

Which is of course why people in impoverished countries don't have kids.


Impoverished countries don't have condoms and the pill. But don't worry, Authoritarians are working hard to make you don't have access to those either.
 
NINEv2
2023-02-09 8:39:43 AM  

Private_Citizen: koder: And here's the striking thing - since K35 was born two decades ago, his mom has never had another calf. Contrast that with other females in the population.

Sounds like she knows there are problems with increasingly limited resources and is focusing on keeping her existing progeny alive.

Anyway, on to the next article. Probably about how GenZ doesn't want to have any kids or something entirely unrelated.

Economics is the key to having kids. If you can barely afford housing and food for yourself, you're not going to have kids.


That doesn't stop a lot of people. Even though it probably should.
 
Beta Tested
2023-02-09 8:41:53 AM  

Private_Citizen: Economics is the key to having kids. If you can barely afford housing and food for yourself, you're not going to have kids.


Yes, but not in the way you think.  Every point of data points says the opposite is true.  Poorer countries have way higher birthrates than richer countries and as poor countries get rich their birth rates drop.  Even within countries, poorer people have more kids than richer people. 

Countries with amazing parental benefits, universal healthcare, and heavily subsidized daycare (e.g. Nordic countries) have birth rates similar to (and sometimes less than depending on the year) the United States.
 
TommyDeuce [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-02-09 8:47:06 AM  

1funguy: Private_Citizen: I know global fish population is down thanks to industrial fishing fleets. It's entirely possible a scarcity of resources is making it harder for him to survive on his own. This parallels... Something...

Less whales = more tasty battered fish filets.

Wouldn't be a whale left aside from zoos if we got to vote on this.

Captain D's would buying politicians instead of oil companies.

I'm sure there would be a grant given to some college to study "Why Do Whales Create So Much Ocean Plastic?"

The Catholics could rustle up some ancient whale-slayer patron saint for a particularly large donation.

Sigh.

Are we the baddies..?


Battering Salmon?

You farking heathen.
 
a_room_with_a_moose
2023-02-09 8:49:40 AM  

Private_Citizen: koder: And here's the striking thing - since K35 was born two decades ago, his mom has never had another calf. Contrast that with other females in the population.

Sounds like she knows there are problems with increasingly limited resources and is focusing on keeping her existing progeny alive.

Anyway, on to the next article. Probably about how GenZ doesn't want to have any kids or something entirely unrelated.

Economics is the key to having kids. If you can barely afford housing and food for yourself, you're not going to have kids.


Having been a repair person on countless subsidized living units, I assure you, this is not the case.
 
The Brains
2023-02-09 8:53:28 AM  

Private_Citizen: koder: And here's the striking thing - since K35 was born two decades ago, his mom has never had another calf. Contrast that with other females in the population.

Sounds like she knows there are problems with increasingly limited resources and is focusing on keeping her existing progeny alive.

Anyway, on to the next article. Probably about how GenZ doesn't want to have any kids or something entirely unrelated.

Economics is the key to having kids. If you can barely afford housing and food for yourself, you're not going to have kids.


Poverty has no ill effect on birth rates. Quite the opposite.

Now as far as what used to be the middle class cancelling themselves out? Yeah, that's happening.
 
SuperChuck
2023-02-09 8:59:52 AM  

blacknite: did not expect this to be about whales.

Have a 30something friend who still lives at home with his mom.  no job, hasn't looked for a decade.  has a degree.  not sure what he is doing.  his brother and wife have made it clear that the house gets sold once mom is gone. so idk what his plan is.  hope he gets something figured out or some inspiration to get up and do something.


There's a pretty decent chance depression is involved
 
Lady J [recently expired TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-02-09 9:01:26 AM  
my ex hb now lives with his mommy
hahahaaaaaaa
 
Sexy Jesus [recently expired TotalFark]
2023-02-09 9:11:18 AM  

DuneClimber: I live with your mom, subby. And she pays all my bills.


Is that why she won't text me back any more?
 
1funguy
2023-02-09 9:14:03 AM  

TommyDeuce: 1funguy: Private_Citizen: I know global fish population is down thanks to industrial fishing fleets. It's entirely possible a scarcity of resources is making it harder for him to survive on his own. This parallels... Something...

Less whales = more tasty battered fish filets.

Wouldn't be a whale left aside from zoos if we got to vote on this.

Captain D's would buying politicians instead of oil companies.

I'm sure there would be a grant given to some college to study "Why Do Whales Create So Much Ocean Plastic?"

The Catholics could rustle up some ancient whale-slayer patron saint for a particularly large donation.

Sigh.

Are we the baddies..?

Battering Salmon?

You farking heathen.


Hey!
We already have a problem with Cocaine Bear...

Take away their food source and they gotta go someplace else to find work.
Gentrification Works!
 
Thoreny
2023-02-09 9:17:32 AM  
This article is horribly written:

And here's the striking thing - since K35 was born two decades ago, his mom has never had another calf. Contrast that with other females in the population.

"Some whales started reproducing at the same age around the same time," says Weiss, "and they had daughters. And they've produced three or four offspring."

It's not just K16. In a paper out this week in the journal Current Biology, Weiss and his colleagues looked back across four decades of life history records of Southern Resident killer whales in the Pacific Northwest. The trend was clear:


Who the hell is K16 and how does K16 fit into the story?
 
Thoreny
2023-02-09 9:18:40 AM  

Thoreny: This article is horribly written:

And here's the striking thing - since K35 was born two decades ago, his mom has never had another calf. Contrast that with other females in the population.

"Some whales started reproducing at the same age around the same time," says Weiss, "and they had daughters. And they've produced three or four offspring."

It's not just K16. In a paper out this week in the journal Current Biology, Weiss and his colleagues looked back across four decades of life history records of Southern Resident killer whales in the Pacific Northwest. The trend was clear:


Who the hell is K16 and how does K16 fit into the story?


FTA

(dubbed K16 by those who know her well)

Goddamn my mental faculties seem to be decreasing at an exponential rate as I get older.
 
Arkanaut
2023-02-09 9:25:40 AM  

Rapmaster2000: Economics is the key to having kids. If you can barely afford housing and food for yourself, you're not going to have kids.

Well, besides that we see the inverse in practice - the more economic security a citizen has, the less children they have.  You can buy a house in Italy for $1.

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I don't know if it's about "economic security" per se. My understanding is that it's a combination of economic prospects (i.e. is there something better to do with my time than staying at home pumping out kids), life expectancy (i.e. are my kids likely to survive to adulthood or do I have to keep having kids), and women's rights (i.e. can a woman divorce her husband if he's a bad dad or tries to rape her). I suppose the last one has to do with economic security to some extent - if a woman has her own savings / job / other economic resources, that would make it easier to leave a bad situation.
 
Arkanaut
2023-02-09 9:28:22 AM  
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Rapmaster2000
2023-02-09 9:29:51 AM  

Arkanaut: Rapmaster2000: Economics is the key to having kids. If you can barely afford housing and food for yourself, you're not going to have kids.

Well, besides that we see the inverse in practice - the more economic security a citizen has, the less children they have.  You can buy a house in Italy for $1.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 850x390]

I don't know if it's about "economic security" per se. My understanding is that it's a combination of economic prospects (i.e. is there something better to do with my time than staying at home pumping out kids), life expectancy (i.e. are my kids likely to survive to adulthood or do I have to keep having kids), and women's rights (i.e. can a woman divorce her husband if he's a bad dad or tries to rape her). I suppose the last one has to do with economic security to some extent - if a woman has her own savings / job / other economic resources, that would make it easier to leave a bad situation.


It's definitely more complicated than economic security, but in other ways you don't think of it is.

Agrarian societies have lots of kids because that provides economic security.  More kids are more hands to work the farm.  And since there is no way to save for retirement or any kind of social security, you need children to be your retirement plan.  A lot of children will take care of you when you are old.    That's not as necessary in Western societies.
 
Civchic
2023-02-09 9:33:10 AM  

hlehmann: blacknite: did not expect this to be about whales.

Have a 30something friend who still lives at home with his mom.  no job, hasn't looked for a decade.  has a degree.  not sure what he is doing.  his brother and wife have made it clear that the house gets sold once mom is gone. so idk what his plan is.  hope he gets something figured out or some inspiration to get up and do something.

I have a 65 year old brother in law that lived with his mother his entire life except a brief period in the 80s. When she died two years ago of course the house was sold and he's now living in an overpriced motel, surviving on his portion of the sale of the house and a bit of social security.


This could be my uncle.  He's lived rent free in the upper apartment of my grandparent's duplex (now just grandma) for 30 years.  That duplex is now worth half a million dollars.  When grandma passes, there are two other siblings (my Dad and his deceased sister's children) who should each get a third of the proceeds.  But then what to do with uncle?  His argument is that he helped pay for upkeep on the house all these years with his disability pension.

It's going to get ugly.
 
Rigby-Reardon
2023-02-09 9:33:32 AM  
According to my research moms with adult sons living at home tend to get stuck often around the house. I've seen documentaries where they have become ensnared by beds, coffee tables, couches, dryers, and even kitchen sinks. I hate to think what might have happened if their son was not there to free them.
 
Private_Citizen [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-02-09 9:36:44 AM  

Civchic: hlehmann: blacknite: did not expect this to be about whales.

Have a 30something friend who still lives at home with his mom.  no job, hasn't looked for a decade.  has a degree.  not sure what he is doing.  his brother and wife have made it clear that the house gets sold once mom is gone. so idk what his plan is.  hope he gets something figured out or some inspiration to get up and do something.

I have a 65 year old brother in law that lived with his mother his entire life except a brief period in the 80s. When she died two years ago of course the house was sold and he's now living in an overpriced motel, surviving on his portion of the sale of the house and a bit of social security.

This could be my uncle.  He's lived rent free in the upper apartment of my grandparent's duplex (now just grandma) for 30 years.  That duplex is now worth half a million dollars.  When grandma passes, there are two other siblings (my Dad and his deceased sister's children) who should each get a third of the proceeds.  But then what to do with uncle?  His argument is that he helped pay for upkeep on the house all these years with his disability pension.

It's going to get ugly.


Usually it's split 3 ways. Get market price for it, and he can take out a mortgage for 2/3rds and buy out their share. He gets to keep the place and only owes 66% of its value.
 
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