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(The Hill)   The GOP can't even agree on civility   (thehill.com) divider line
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2023-02-09 7:34:12 AM  
FTFA: House Republicans are divided on whether the raucous heckling of President Biden during his State of the Union address on Tuesday night was inappropriate - or whether it helped them effectively communicate their position to the American public.

"Or"? Their position is raucous heckling of the adults trying to get things done.
 
2023-02-09 7:57:38 AM  
I think we can all agree they don't like civility
 
2023-02-09 8:05:27 AM  
They care about nothing but winning the 2024 Republican primary, and acting like shrieking toddlers denied candy at the grocery store is the shortest path to such victory.
 
2023-02-09 8:11:07 AM  
The Grand Ole Party is no more. It's now an asylum, and the inmates are in charge.
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2023-02-09 8:23:01 AM  
They shat on civility a long time ago. Currently working on dignity.
 
2023-02-09 8:24:49 AM  

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: They shat on civility a long time ago. Currently working on dignity.


And honesty was the first victim, followed by a sense of shame.
/Tragic what they did to a sense of shame.
 
2023-02-09 8:36:47 AM  
They probably can't even spell the word, let alone define it.
 
2023-02-09 8:42:21 AM  
"He started off, I thought, wonderfully. ... But then you can't stand up there and blatantly lie," Rep. Lisa McClain (R-Mich.) said. "So as much as I wish we had had more decorum, OK, you are instigating that behavior. So it starts with the leader."

And yet, they cheered on the orange monster for years, who lied with every breath he had, and they had no problem with it.

If R's didn't have double standards, they would have no standards at all.
 
2023-02-09 8:43:36 AM  
Maybe y'all might want to dial it back when dressed like a Disney Villainess.

Then again, their idea of 'civility' any more is "we say mean stuff, and you just smile and nod and don't say anything back."

How DARE anyone hit BACK!
 
2023-02-09 8:43:55 AM  
FTFA: "So as much as I wish we had had more decorum, OK, you are instigating that behavior. So it starts with the leader."

If speaking the truth instigates the behavior, then you're admitting your own party is full of children.
 
2023-02-09 8:44:22 AM  
Have they started flinging their own feces yet?
It just a matter of time.
 
2023-02-09 8:45:28 AM  
GOP...uncouth in any form.
 
2023-02-09 8:45:34 AM  
"The president was trying to goad the members, and the members are passionate about it, fell for it"[Qevin McCarthy]
 
2023-02-09 8:45:48 AM  
They are united against it.
 
2023-02-09 8:47:18 AM  
Eh, what are ya gonna do about it...
 
2023-02-09 8:49:00 AM  
"McCarthy is just starting negotiations with Biden on the debt limit fight, and he projected ahead of the address that Republicans would be civil and not play "childish games" during the State of the Union."

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2023-02-09 8:49:38 AM  
The claim about Social Security was the first to draw such an audible reaction from Republicans, who are fighting for spending cuts as a condition of raising the debt ceiling and seeking to sell those cuts to the American public.

Not actually.  They are grandstanding about the horrors of giving money to poors, arts, and science.  The same as always.  We've learned that none of this is in good faith by now, right?
 
2023-02-09 8:50:01 AM  
It didn't start here, but:

Buchanan urged Nixon to enlist his Vice-President, Spiro Agnew, in a battle against the press. In November, Nixon sent Agnew-despised as dull-witted by the media-on the road, where he denounced "this small and unelected élite" of editors, anchormen, and analysts. Buchanan recalls watching a broadcast of one such speech-which he had written for Agnew-on a television in his White House office. Joining him was his colleague Kevin Phillips, who had just published "The Emerging Republican Majority," which marshalled electoral data to support a prophecy that Sun Belt conservatism-like Jacksonian Democracy, Republican industrialism, and New Deal liberalism-would dominate American politics for the next thirty-two or thirty-six years. (As it turns out, Phillips was slightly too modest.) When Agnew finished his diatribe, Phillips said two words: "Positive polarization."

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2008/05/26/the-fall-of-conservatism

See also:

"Politics, as a practice, whatever its professions, had always been the systematic organization of hatreds."

Henry Adams derived that earthy insight from a favorite author, Blaise Pascal. In his copy of the Pensées, now at the Massachusetts Historical Society, Adams marked this passage: "Tous les hommes se haissent naturellement l'un l'autre."

Pascal goes on in the same fragment to describe zeal for the common good as a pretense.
I first heard this doctrine from a less lofty oracle. Early in the 1968 presidential campaign, an aide to John Mitchell told me "the whole secret of politics-knowing who hates who."

https://www.nybooks.com/articles/1990/07/19/the-politics-of-grievance/
 
2023-02-09 8:53:20 AM  
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2023-02-09 8:53:42 AM  

Mr. Coffee Nerves: They care about nothing but winning the 2024 Republican primary, and acting like shrieking toddlers denied candy at the grocery store is the shortest path to such victory.


At least that's what they've been told to believe.
 
2023-02-09 8:54:09 AM  
The GOP is pretty united on civility.  They're allowed to say whatever they want, but if someone calls them on their bullshiat then it's being uncivil.
 
2023-02-09 8:54:42 AM  

vudukungfu: I think we can all agree they don't like civility


They love civility but think civility means conservatives can be openly racist but anyone who calls them out is an uncivil Satanist woke.
 
2023-02-09 8:55:07 AM  

Private_Citizen: The Grand Ole Party is no more. It's now an asylum, and the inmates are in charge.
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The only person being of color is the green alien. Heh.
 
2023-02-09 8:55:07 AM  
The GOP Dictionary -

Civilty: (noun):Something to be demanded from Democrats.
 
2023-02-09 8:55:12 AM  

HugeMistake: FTFA: House Republicans are divided on whether the raucous heckling of President Biden during his State of the Union address on Tuesday night was inappropriate - or whether it helped them effectively communicate their position to the American public.

"Or"? Their position is raucous heckling of the adults trying to get things done.


Yes, both of these are true, it effectively communicated their position, which is inappropriate and unhelpful obstruction to basic things like our government paying its debts.
 
2023-02-09 8:55:43 AM  

Private_Citizen: The Grand Ole Party is no more. It's now an asylum, and the inmates are in charge.
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What I think will happen
Trump will form his own party taking his supporters
The GOP will regroup and attract a bunch of Moderate Democrats to join with them as the 'extreme left ward swing' of the Democratic Party  moved the party away from them and the New Grand Old Party  is the center(because they aren't saying kill the gays and imprison women for having abortions, though they will still support things like heart beat laws and vaginally ultrasounds before abortions and could the gays just shut up)
Then the Republicans will Caucus with the MAGAts but be able to claim hey that isn't us that's those guys
And the Media will give the GOP a pass on working with the MAGAts as long as there is plausible deniability
 
2023-02-09 8:55:49 AM  
Guys, guys!  They're just embracing the olde English tradition of a rowdy House of Commoners.

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2023-02-09 8:55:59 AM  
Rep. Andy Ogles (R-Tenn.) yelled "It's your fault" when Biden mentioned fentanyl deaths.

Biden got Obama's time machine and got half of Real America hooked on opiates.

Did Biden break it after Kellyanne fixed it with her "Opioid Cabinet"?

Remember that?  She was going to do something about that:  https://www.statnews.com/2017/12/14/kellyanne-conway-leading-opioids-cabinet/

I think they're Taking a Look at That and a big report is Coming Out in Two Weeks.
 
2023-02-09 8:57:17 AM  
How is it that any voter let alone enough to elect them think "yep, that's just the kind of representation we need in Washington"? Even in their primaries?

I'm not lunging for the fainting couch at the language - we use the Westminster system in NZ where Parliamentary discourse can be quite cut and thrust (although accusation of lying is deemed unparliamentary). But don't you need to get along with people to get anything done in politics? If you're trying to hash out a law and you don't want a presidential veto, isn't it short sighted to insult him?
 
2023-02-09 8:57:57 AM  
If you're petty, deliberately ignorant trash, then the GOP is your thing, and the actions of the hecklers are on point for the brand.
 
2023-02-09 8:58:00 AM  
The Republican Base: Biden is a senile old man who is essentially disabled with dementia. It's sad, he belongs in a nursing home, not the white house.

Also The Republican Base: haha, look at my representatives heckling Biden. This is exactly what I voted for.
 
2023-02-09 8:58:49 AM  
On a side note, when a State of the Union adresss is done, can we make it so we don't have a standing ovation every 2 sentences?
It doesn't matter who's up there.  One side sits there and scowls, and the other has to applaud for 20 goddamn seconds every time the president takes a breath.
If we'd just let the guy say what he gotta say, and then just applaud and scowl at the end (well the other side can scowl through the whole thing, that doesn't take up time) then we get done with the address in like half the time.
 
2023-02-09 8:59:32 AM  
The core the GOP cherishes is basically "hates people."  Democracy is just a small subset of being optimist about people.  The French would call the "misanthropes" and turn it into comedy.  People who might hate the French would say


"Some people just want to watch the world burn."

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2023-02-09 8:59:44 AM  
Civility? GQP? There's some grade A Bullschit right there. They ditched civility in '64 when Berry Goldwater touched that live wire and got fried at the polls...of course that caused his true believers (Ronald Reagan among them) to get even madder and double down on the BS we're dealing with today.
 
2023-02-09 9:00:02 AM  
Headline is three words too long.
 
2023-02-09 9:00:25 AM  

Elliot8654: "He started off, I thought, wonderfully. ... But then you can't stand up there and blatantly lie," Rep. Lisa McClain (R-Mich.) said. "So as much as I wish we had had more decorum, OK, you are instigating that behavior. So it starts with the leader."

And yet, they cheered on the orange monster for years, who lied with every breath he had, and they had no problem with it.

If R's didn't have double standards, they would have no standards at all.


Strong "you made me hit you, babe" vibe to their excuse.

Also - weakest Speaker in the history of the House.
 
2023-02-09 9:01:27 AM  

Rapmaster2000: Rep. Andy Ogles (R-Tenn.) yelled "It's your fault" when Biden mentioned fentanyl deaths.

Biden got Obama's time machine and got half of Real America hooked on opiates.

Did Biden break it after Kellyanne fixed it with her "Opioid Cabinet"?

Remember that?  She was going to do something about that:  https://www.statnews.com/2017/12/14/kellyanne-conway-leading-opioids-cabinet/

I think they're Taking a Look at That and a big report is Coming Out in Two Weeks.


They all died in the Bowling Green Massacre.

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2023-02-09 9:02:07 AM  

MythDragon: On a side note, when a State of the Union adresss is done, can we make it so we don't have a standing ovation every 2 sentences?
It doesn't matter who's up there.  One side sits there and scowls, and the other has to applaud for 20 goddamn seconds every time the president takes a breath.
If we'd just let the guy say what he gotta say, and then just applaud and scowl at the end (well the other side can scowl through the whole thing, that doesn't take up time) then we get done with the address in like half the time.


I'll give Biden credit though, he mostly tried to power through the applause and get back to what he was saying, whereas D2S just stood and basked in the applause like a snake sunning itself on a rock. Eyes closed, head tilted back, smile on his smug face, mentally jacking it, and just taking it all in.  He definitely waited until it died down before bothering to continue.
 
2023-02-09 9:02:35 AM  
FTA: "I got a little uneasy in my seat and pretty frustrated listening to some of the allegations that are just patently false," Graves added.

Except they weren't false. And when Trump did the same thing, Democrats didn't heckle him like that. They sat there quietly like adults.

And no, ripping some papers a speech was on after he gave it is not the same thing.
 
2023-02-09 9:03:22 AM  
They don't really have a point as a political party anymore and have apparently given up on the idea of winning "independent" voters. It's just a scrum to see who can meme the hardest in order to get a bump in $2 donations from fans.
 
2023-02-09 9:04:33 AM  

thisispete: How is it that any voter let alone enough to elect them think "yep, that's just the kind of representation we need in Washington"? Even in their primaries?

I'm not lunging for the fainting couch at the language - we use the Westminster system in NZ where Parliamentary discourse can be quite cut and thrust (although accusation of lying is deemed unparliamentary). But don't you need to get along with people to get anything done in politics? If you're trying to hash out a law and you don't want a presidential veto, isn't it short sighted to insult him?


US reps are only elected for two years, so they spend a lot of time raising funds for re-election.  One way is to get on TV, and one way to do that is to act up.  MTG and Ted Cruz, among others, race right for the cameras.  Same with Lindsey Graham.  It's ok to say stupid shiat as long as you see it on TV.  Our media loves it.  Hillary Clinton was speaking during the election but CNN was tuned to TFG's empty podium for example. They knew he'd be a train wreck.
 
2023-02-09 9:05:04 AM  
 
2023-02-09 9:05:25 AM  
Republicans being detached from reality and are a danger to themselves and others is a given at this point.
 
2023-02-09 9:05:30 AM  

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Lady, you may as well have taken a dump on the Oval Office carpet. That is as much respect you give the office when a D is occupying it.
 
2023-02-09 9:05:48 AM  

thisispete: But don't you need to get along with people to get anything done in politics?


Bad assumption. They don't actually want to get anything done.

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I object. Bigfoot and any aliens sophisticated enough to get here would never join the GQP.
 
2023-02-09 9:06:05 AM  

vudukungfu: I think we can all agree they don't like civility


They DEMAND  civility from Democrats
 
2023-02-09 9:06:10 AM  
"He started off, I thought, wonderfully. ... But then you can't stand up there and blatantly lie,"

Except he didn't.
 
2023-02-09 9:07:42 AM  
It loses them some moderate voters and gains them some more deplorables. But when your party leader is openly having white supremacists over for dinner, you are already scraping the bottom the deplorable barrel, right?
 
2023-02-09 9:07:58 AM  
Also FTA: CNN flash poll found 72 percent of adult viewers, including 67 percent of independents, had a very or somewhat positive reaction to Biden's speech.

So good for MTG playing to the base or whatever, but heckling and calling Twitter executives "pedophiles" isn't a winning platform when eggs are $6 a dozen. It sucks that this is going to be two years of bloviating by the Republicans and nothing will get done, but maybe that will remind Americans that they need to vote for Democrats if they want the government to work for them.
 
2023-02-09 9:07:59 AM  
Republicans are angry that Biden said they wanted to get rid of social security. Not because it's not true, but because they don't want anyone to talk about it until it happens. Their voters certainly don't want them to, which is why they won't discuss it. But if they could get away with it sort of 'anonymously', without voter blowback, they'd do it in a heartbeat, then claim it's what the voters wanted. Privatizing it was a way of soaking some private money out of it and strangling it while it slept. That's a win-win in their book.
 
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