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2023-02-08 11:05:44 PM  
TFA says that The Flash is the last of the Arrowverse, but Superman & Lois is still running with new season starting next month. Is it not considered Arrowverse despite supposedly taking place on the same Earth as of the "Crisis on Infinite Earths" crossover? I mean, it's the same world as Supergirl which is in the Arrowverse.
 
2023-02-08 11:06:00 PM  
It's so black, it's like, how more black could this be?
 
2023-02-08 11:07:23 PM  
I get that people want to work, and the workers don't set the budgets... but people working on CW shows ought to be ashamed of the product quality.  It's bare minimum 'we can get undiscerning fans of the IP to watch, so why try harder?' level.
 
2023-02-08 11:14:51 PM  
While basically all of the CW superhero shows were either bad from the start or went downhill very fast after a season or two, honestly I have no complaints about the big crossover things.

Like... the individual shows got repetitive, boring, and formulaic, and the writers frequently had no farking clue how to tie even basic a- and b-plots together or progress storylines.

The crossovers, though?  The writers always lost even the illusion of having any farking clue what they were doing, often didn't even seem to talk to each other when writing their separate scenes, made a complete hash of character consistency and even basic object permanence (shiat like where a character was located) not just from episode to episode, but from scene to scene within an episode.  It was often incredibly apparent that the effects team had farked up, accidentally made something more awesome than the writers had asked for because they assumed they couldn't actually be being asked for something so stupid, and some extra lines were added in post to try to justify whatever special effects thing had just happened (and failing).  The episodes of the crossover were often aired literally across the series, aka at different goddamned times, so if you only watched some of them (like any sane person) you'd have to go back through youtube clips and find the other parts after seeing whichever you saw first and still have no idea what the actual fark.

They were a complete chaos of largely unconnected scenes that made no farking sense even within their own context, and somehow made less sense if you were familiar with any of the series and how they were supposed to connect to the crossover.

So, y'know, the most faithful adaptation of reading a comic book crossover event ever made, basically.  No notes.
 
2023-02-08 11:22:28 PM  
I'd much rather see a animated limited series for Blackest Night than live action anything.
 
2023-02-08 11:28:38 PM  
I liked Grant Gustin better than Ezra Miller as the Flash. Wifey and I really liked the Flash TV show for a while there. All the actors were charming and really nice to look at, and it was a fun little show.

After a while we got tired of the repetitive stuff though, and it just getting dumber, until we dropped out. Fun for a while though. Wish they could've had Grant Gustin for the DCU flash.
 
2023-02-08 11:29:33 PM  
They did Crisis on Infinite Earths and wanted to do Blackest Night? They were gonna just skip over the big 1990s crossovers like Armageddon: 2001 and Eclipso: The Darkness WIthin and Invasion! and Zero Hour?

/Yeah, those mostly sucked, but they could've been fixed.
 
2023-02-08 11:40:39 PM  

COMALite J: TFA says that The Flash is the last of the Arrowverse, but Superman & Lois is still running with new season starting next month. Is it not considered Arrowverse despite supposedly taking place on the same Earth as of the "Crisis on Infinite Earths" crossover? I mean, it's the same world as Supergirl which is in the Arrowverse.


It's the same universe as the CBS Supergirl of Season 1, with Callista Flockheart, not the one from after it moved to the CW.

\Alternatively: A wizard did it.
 
2023-02-08 11:54:47 PM  
I'm fairly confident Gunn hasn't been in the position long enough to have had much effect on the writing and filming of the final season of Flash.
 
2023-02-09 12:15:08 AM  

mongbiohazard: I liked Grant Gustin better than Ezra Miller as the Flash. Wifey and I really liked the Flash TV show for a while there. All the actors were charming and really nice to look at, and it was a fun little show.

After a while we got tired of the repetitive stuff though, and it just getting dumber, until we dropped out. Fun for a while though. Wish they could've had Grant Gustin for the DCU flash.


ia think a lot of people aren't getting that that's what these characters are kind of supposed to be since it's all become very serious adult business. The 24 page funny book once a month just doesn't wear down the patience/interest life expectancy as much as a hour long once a week show. Try to binge read Spider-Man chronologically and it gets pretty repetitive pretty fast, I promise you.

In other words, I think CW's Arrowverse is by far the most accurate live action comic book universe we've seen to date (making the MCU a distant, but far more successful, second), which is why I love it hard, flaws and all.
 
2023-02-09 12:16:41 AM  
They were going to do Blackest Night without Green farking Lantern?
 
2023-02-09 12:32:12 AM  

PlaidJaguar: COMALite J: TFA says that The Flash is the last of the Arrowverse, but Superman & Lois is still running with new season starting next month. Is it not considered Arrowverse despite supposedly taking place on the same Earth as of the "Crisis on Infinite Earths" crossover? I mean, it's the same world as Supergirl which is in the Arrowverse.

It's the same universe as the CBS Supergirl of Season 1, with Callista Flockheart, not the one from after it moved to the CW.

\Alternatively: A wizard did it.

Not really. Callista has appeared since then (most notably the Supergirl series finale), and her character Cat Grant was just referenced tonight on The Flash. Also, Crisis on Infinite Earths merged the two Earths (Earth-38 with Supergirl and Superman & Lois [originally placed there because of the CBS thing, and 38 being for 1938 when Superman was first published] and Earth-1 with Arrow and The Flash and Legends of Tomorrow, with Batwoman and Black Lightning presumably on other Earths before those, too, were merged in).
 
2023-02-09 1:03:03 AM  
I could never get into Geoff John's Lantern run, I loved his JLA. Best part of Blackest Night/Brightest Day was being able to get all the different rings for 1.50 at my comic shop.
 
2023-02-09 1:03:33 AM  

walrusonion: I could never get into Geoff John's Lantern run, I loved his JLA. Best part of Blackest Night/Brightest Day was being able to get all the different rings for 1.50 at my comic shop.


JSA!
/turning in nerd card.
 
2023-02-09 5:49:34 AM  

morg: It's so black, it's like, how more black could this be?


None.  None more black.
 
2023-02-09 6:37:59 AM  

morg: It's so black, it's like, how more black could this be?


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2023-02-09 6:44:37 AM  
I used to love the Arrowverse, but it's simply unforgivable what they've done to the Flash.

iat's not a budget issue, I forgive the budget, just like I forgave the budget on the original Star Trek, et.al.

It's the writing.  They've been doing it the season after season, but if you think the majority of the people are watching The Flash, so that they can see Barry and Iris talk about 'their love' one more time....

Last night was the season premiere, it's been off for a long time, and they decide to open with yet another episode where Barry doesn't seem to even know his wife, yet again!!

And even in a comic book show, it is just unrealistic to hear two grown adults, year after year, talk about each other like two middle school sweethearts!
 
2023-02-09 7:08:59 AM  

buntz: I used to love the Arrowverse, but it's simply unforgivable what they've done to the Flash.

iat's not a budget issue, I forgive the budget, just like I forgave the budget on the original Star Trek, et.al.

It's the writing.  They've been doing it the season after season, but if you think the majority of the people are watching The Flash, so that they can see Barry and Iris talk about 'their love' one more time....

Last night was the season premiere, it's been off for a long time, and they decide to open with yet another episode where Barry doesn't seem to even know his wife, yet again!!

And even in a comic book show, it is just unrealistic to hear two grown adults, year after year, talk about each other like two middle school sweethearts!


Yeah, well...

FTA: ...emphasized that [the new] season's limited runtime meant he had to prioritize the Barry/Iris relationship above all else.

Welcome to Hell.
 
2023-02-09 8:45:54 AM  
Arrow hooked me hard into the CW then, as it began to fade, Flash rehooked me.  Once Flash began to fade I lost interest.  A friend recommended Legends of Tomorrow, but I only came back to check out Crisis and it was...not great.
 
2023-02-09 8:59:35 AM  

mongbiohazard: I liked Grant Gustin better than Ezra Miller as the Flash. Wifey and I really liked the Flash TV show for a while there. All the actors were charming and really nice to look at, and it was a fun little show.

After a while we got tired of the repetitive stuff though, and it just getting dumber, until we dropped out. Fun for a while though. Wish they could've had Grant Gustin for the DCU flash.


As soon as Arrow ended, Flash inherited its angst.  The first season or so of Flash was a lot of fun, but then they got all angsty as it went on and people keeping secrets from each other became the driving plot.
 
2023-02-09 9:56:46 AM  

NeoCortex42: mongbiohazard: I liked Grant Gustin better than Ezra Miller as the Flash. Wifey and I really liked the Flash TV show for a while there. All the actors were charming and really nice to look at, and it was a fun little show.

After a while we got tired of the repetitive stuff though, and it just getting dumber, until we dropped out. Fun for a while though. Wish they could've had Grant Gustin for the DCU flash.

As soon as Arrow ended, Flash inherited its angst.  The first season or so of Flash was a lot of fun, but then they got all angsty as it went on and people keeping secrets from each other became the driving plot.


Nobody ever learning a damn thing got annoying. Just the same mistakes and solutions over and over.

"Oh no! This secret I've been holding on to for no good reason is causing everybody trouble!"

"There's a new problem.... and Barry has to run faster than ever before to fix it!"

But man, Candice Patton sure is fine.
 
2023-02-09 9:57:06 AM  

Tannhauser: Arrow hooked me hard into the CW then, as it began to fade, Flash rehooked me.  Once Flash began to fade I lost interest.  A friend recommended Legends of Tomorrow, but I only came back to check out Crisis and it was...not great.


Legends of Tomorrow was a little underwhelming in the first season, battling Vandal Savage.  Then they stopped taking it so seriously, and it just got better after that.
 
2023-02-09 10:13:20 AM  
Is Smallville retroactively part of the Arrowverse now?  Cause i seem to recall something about Tom Welling showing up as Superman in one of the big events a few years back.  Far from the most accurate DC show, but easily my favorite versions of several characters, especially Jonathan Kent, Lex, and Brainiac.
 
2023-02-09 10:18:04 AM  

skyotter: They were going to do Blackest Night without Green farking Lantern?


John "Stewart" Diggle was going to be Green Lantern. Remember him opening the glowing green box?

His step-father, the general's last name, was Stewart.
 
2023-02-09 10:18:36 AM  

Severaux: I'm fairly confident Gunn hasn't been in the position long enough to have had much effect on the writing and filming of the final season of Flash.


iat wasn't going to happen in season 10, it was going to happen in season 11.
 
2023-02-09 10:21:40 AM  
I love me some GL. But Diggle being the stand-in for Hal, Kyle and Sinestro's arc in the blackest night seems like a terrible idea.

I didn't watch last season of The Flash, but I'll probably check-in to see this final season.

Plus, how you gonna do Larfleeze justice?
 
2023-02-09 10:28:21 AM  

houginator: Is Smallville retroactively part of the Arrowverse now?  Cause i seem to recall something about Tom Welling showing up as Superman in one of the big events a few years back.  Far from the most accurate DC show, but easily my favorite versions of several characters, especially Jonathan Kent, Lex, and Brainiac.


It's part of the Arrowverse the same way that the Sam Raimi Spider-Man movies are part of the MCU.
 
2023-02-09 10:40:24 AM  

Alphax: Tannhauser: Arrow hooked me hard into the CW then, as it began to fade, Flash rehooked me.  Once Flash began to fade I lost interest.  A friend recommended Legends of Tomorrow, but I only came back to check out Crisis and it was...not great.

Legends of Tomorrow was a little underwhelming in the first season, battling Vandal Savage.  Then they stopped taking it so seriously, and it just got better after that.


Peak LoT was the battle of Beebo vs Demon.  But there's only so many times I can watch them have choreographed dance battles where nobody gets hurt despite the 'superpowers' sparingly in play.
 
2023-02-09 11:13:53 AM  
I got tired of watching The Flash when it wasn't just about him, it was about everyone else in Keystone City that suddenly had powers.
 
2023-02-09 12:10:36 PM  

mongbiohazard: NeoCortex42: mongbiohazard: I liked Grant Gustin better than Ezra Miller as the Flash. Wifey and I really liked the Flash TV show for a while there. All the actors were charming and really nice to look at, and it was a fun little show.

After a while we got tired of the repetitive stuff though, and it just getting dumber, until we dropped out. Fun for a while though. Wish they could've had Grant Gustin for the DCU flash.

As soon as Arrow ended, Flash inherited its angst.  The first season or so of Flash was a lot of fun, but then they got all angsty as it went on and people keeping secrets from each other became the driving plot.

Nobody ever learning a damn thing got annoying. Just the same mistakes and solutions over and over.

"Oh no! This secret I've been holding on to for no good reason is causing everybody trouble!"

"There's a new problem.... and Barry has to run faster than ever before to fix it!"

But man, Candice Patton sure is fine.


I know this is 100% pure sharp knees territory, but my god her neck wrinkles are distracting AF.
 
2023-02-09 12:19:15 PM  

houginator: Is Smallville retroactively part of the Arrowverse now?  Cause i seem to recall something about Tom Welling showing up as Superman in one of the big events a few years back.  Far from the most accurate DC show, but easily my favorite versions of several characters, especially Jonathan Kent, Lex, and Brainiac.


Smallville was a cheesy and silly show, but fun as fark, and it still has the best versions of most of the Superman characters I've ever seen.

Erica Durance and Michael Rosenbaum nailed their roles as Lois and Lex, respectively, so thoroughly I can't help but compare every version to them. They're the quintessential versions as far as I'm concerned.

And while I love Cavill as Superman, I prefer Tom Welling as Clark. For all his issues as an actor, he pulls off that earnest small town boy scout shtick better than anyone else I've seen. It's a shame we never got to see him in the suit.
 
2023-02-09 12:58:52 PM  
Is this about Black Adam?   Because I watched that movie, was really impressed with the fight scenes, and nothing else.   It was an interesting character in a terrible movie.
 
2023-02-09 1:28:57 PM  

COMALite J: TFA says that The Flash is the last of the Arrowverse, but Superman & Lois is still running with new season starting next month. Is it not considered Arrowverse despite supposedly taking place on the same Earth as of the "Crisis on Infinite Earths" crossover? I mean, it's the same world as Supergirl which is in the Arrowverse.


It is a separate world from the Arrowverse shows. Last season it was revealed that on that world Superman is the only superhero.
 
2023-02-09 1:34:34 PM  

phlegmjay: COMALite J: TFA says that The Flash is the last of the Arrowverse, but Superman & Lois is still running with new season starting next month. Is it not considered Arrowverse despite supposedly taking place on the same Earth as of the "Crisis on Infinite Earths" crossover? I mean, it's the same world as Supergirl which is in the Arrowverse.

It is a separate world from the Arrowverse shows. Last season it was revealed that on that world Superman is the only superhero.


Or to clarify, it's an alternate world, where Lois and Clark look the same - though some other characters do not - and Superman is the only superhero. Diggle exists and knows them, but it's unclear exactly what his background on that world is.
 
2023-02-09 2:03:38 PM  

phlegmjay: phlegmjay: COMALite J: TFA says that The Flash is the last of the Arrowverse, but Superman & Lois is still running with new season starting next month. Is it not considered Arrowverse despite supposedly taking place on the same Earth as of the "Crisis on Infinite Earths" crossover? I mean, it's the same world as Supergirl which is in the Arrowverse.

It is a separate world from the Arrowverse shows. Last season it was revealed that on that world Superman is the only superhero.

Or to clarify, it's an alternate world, where Lois and Clark look the same - though some other characters do not - and Superman is the only superhero. Diggle exists and knows them, but it's unclear exactly what his background on that world is.


Arrow had a very strong supporting cast I thought.
 
2023-02-09 4:55:14 PM  

Unsung_Hero: Alphax: Tannhauser: Arrow hooked me hard into the CW then, as it began to fade, Flash rehooked me.  Once Flash began to fade I lost interest.  A friend recommended Legends of Tomorrow, but I only came back to check out Crisis and it was...not great.

Legends of Tomorrow was a little underwhelming in the first season, battling Vandal Savage.  Then they stopped taking it so seriously, and it just got better after that.

Peak LoT was the battle of Beebo vs Demon.  But there's only so many times I can watch them have choreographed dance battles where nobody gets hurt despite the 'superpowers' sparingly in play.

It looked like they were planning another "serious" season for Season №2, with a different baddie who they'd laid the groundwork for in Season №1. I mentioned it back then and analyzed Rip Hunter's brief conversation with young Per Degaton and showed how Rip had let enough info slip that Degaton would know about the Time Masters and time travel, which could set him up as the Big Bad for Season №2, and also knew of Rip's anguish over his lost family. I figured that Degaton would use that to tempt Rip into working with him and betraying the Legends and fellow Time Masters in return for stopping his family's deaths, which would've had some potential. But apparently they decided to go silly instead for subsequent seasons.

walrusonion: walrusonion: I could never get into Geoff John's Lantern run, I loved his JLA. Best part of Blackest Night/Brightest Day was being able to get all the different rings for 1.50 at my comic shop.

JSA!
/turning in nerd card.

I had problems with the whole "emotional spectrum" concept. It depends on the idea that wildly different species including a sapient squirrel, at least one sapient plant, a sapient gemstone, and even a sapient planet, all perceive colors the same way Earth humans do, when that's not even true for all Earth humans, let alone other species on this planet (not long ago there was a D'awww Tab article about how cats see things). Yet every Lantern/ring wielder of whatever type (with the possible exception of the F♯ Bell) all see the same seven colors of the rainbow as normal humans do!?

Plus, willpower isn't an emotion, dang it! It should've been needed for all the Lantern/ring wielders: they all have to impose their will on their rings. The proper emotion for green was right there all along: courage! Fearlessness! Hal Jordan: The Man Without Fear! The opposite of the Sinestro / Yellow Lantern Corps! How did DC miss that!?
 
2023-02-09 7:13:06 PM  

Rent Party: Is this about Black Adam?   Because I watched that movie, was really impressed with the fight scenes, and nothing else.   It was an interesting character in a terrible movie.


black adam was the least interesting part of the movie
 
2023-02-09 9:25:26 PM  

mongbiohazard: I liked Grant Gustin better than Ezra Miller as the Flash. Wifey and I really liked the Flash TV show for a while there. All the actors were charming and really nice to look at, and it was a fun little show.

After a while we got tired of the repetitive stuff though, and it just getting dumber, until we dropped out. Fun for a while though. Wish they could've had Grant Gustin for the DCU flash.


This is probably my (and many others I'm sure) biggest headscratching moment coming out of this whole DC Gunn reboot.  Of all the actors that aren't coming back, how in the blue hell did Ezra farking Miller keep his job when there was already a much better and down to Earth replacement in Grant Gustin waiting in the wings already established with fans?  I mean its not like it would even be hard to introduce him via all the multiverse stuff that is everywhere now.  It could even be a simple onscreen as he just suddenly appears from some speed vortex/portal or whatever and looks around a bit confused, and whatever superheroes (or villains) around at the time ask who TF are you, and he answers and the rest unfolds.  Seems like a much easier task for the fanbase to absorb and be ok with instead of going with Miller and his 34,293,530lbs of baggage he comes with.
 
2023-02-09 10:06:14 PM  

Loneman1: mongbiohazard: I liked Grant Gustin better than Ezra Miller as the Flash. Wifey and I really liked the Flash TV show for a while there. All the actors were charming and really nice to look at, and it was a fun little show.

After a while we got tired of the repetitive stuff though, and it just getting dumber, until we dropped out. Fun for a while though. Wish they could've had Grant Gustin for the DCU flash.

This is probably my (and many others I'm sure) biggest headscratching moment coming out of this whole DC Gunn reboot.  Of all the actors that aren't coming back, how in the blue hell did Ezra farking Miller keep his job when there was already a much better and down to Earth replacement in Grant Gustin waiting in the wings already established with fans?  I mean its not like it would even be hard to introduce him via all the multiverse stuff that is everywhere now.  It could even be a simple onscreen as he just suddenly appears from some speed vortex/portal or whatever and looks around a bit confused, and whatever superheroes (or villains) around at the time ask who TF are you, and he answers and the rest unfolds.  Seems like a much easier task for the fanbase to absorb and be ok with instead of going with Miller and his 34,293,530lbs of baggage he comes with.


How in the hell did Ezra Miller keep their job. You have to get the pronouns right. That's what's important.

/obviously
 
2023-02-09 10:25:26 PM  

Loneman1: mongbiohazard: I liked Grant Gustin better than Ezra Miller as the Flash. Wifey and I really liked the Flash TV show for a while there. All the actors were charming and really nice to look at, and it was a fun little show.

After a while we got tired of the repetitive stuff though, and it just getting dumber, until we dropped out. Fun for a while though. Wish they could've had Grant Gustin for the DCU flash.

This is probably my (and many others I'm sure) biggest headscratching moment coming out of this whole DC Gunn reboot.  Of all the actors that aren't coming back, how in the blue hell did Ezra farking Miller keep his job when there was already a much better and down to Earth replacement in Grant Gustin waiting in the wings already established with fans?  I mean its not like it would even be hard to introduce him via all the multiverse stuff that is everywhere now.  It could even be a simple onscreen as he just suddenly appears from some speed vortex/portal or whatever and looks around a bit confused, and whatever superheroes (or villains) around at the time ask who TF are you, and he answers and the rest unfolds.  Seems like a much easier task for the fanbase to absorb and be ok with instead of going with Miller and his 34,293,530lbs of baggage he comes with.


I think they just had too much invested in Flash by the time Millers problems started. Since the Flash supposedly resets the DCU I doubt we'll be seeing Miller in the role after this.
 
2023-02-09 11:40:31 PM  

smilingcorpse: Since the Flash supposedly resets the DCU I doubt we'll be seeing Miller in the role after this.


Best possible outcome (for fans, I imagine casual viewers won't care):  Flashpoint results in an alternate universe Flash that looks a lot like Grant Gustin but isn't actually the same CW Flash with all the embarrassing unnecessary secrets and whispered hallway conversations.

The guy has proven he can read anything you put in front of him and still be fairly charming with it.
 
2023-02-10 7:10:10 AM  
They did a decent Crisis adaptation, and frankly the show writers and directors did a farkton better job than the cinematic in maintaining a cohesive universe.
 
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