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(Fark Fiction Anthology)   "You don't start out writing good stuff. You start out writing crap and thinking it's good stuff, and then gradually you get better at it." ― Octavia E. Butler. This is your Fark Writer's Thread, Persisting Edition   (farkfiction.net) divider line
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2023-02-08 2:54:50 PM  
The full quote (truncated in the headline to fit the character limit) is actually this:
"You don't start out writing good stuff. You start out writing crap and thinking it's good stuff, and then gradually you get better at it.
That's why I say one of the most valuable traits is persistence."
― Octavia E. Butler

Octavia Estelle Butler (June 22, 1947 - February 24, 2006) was an American science fiction novelist and shorty story author who won multiple Hugo and Nebula awards and was the first science fiction writer to receive a MacArthur Fellowship, which is commonly an unofficially known as the "Genius Grant." Often associated with the rise of Afrofuturism, she has described her view of humanity as inherently flawed by an innate tendency towards hierarchical thinking which leads to intolerance, violence and, if not checked, the ultimate destruction of our species. As someone who grew up during racial segregation and who was once told by a well-intentioned aunt "Honey . . . Negroes can't be writers" we can start to understand her appreciation of the value of persistence, even if very few of us could comprehend the struggles she had to persist through. Much of this comes out in her writing, with many of her protagonists being disenfranchised individuals who endure, compromise, and embrace radical change in order to survive.

This article lists Octavia E. Butler's rules for writing:

Read. This is one we see very, very often from the best writers. You have to read the kind of things you want to write, because that's how you learn the tools and techniques you're going to need.
Writing is communication. It's a skill that requires devotion, practice, and knowledge of the rules, so you can follow them or break them most effectively when you need to. This means you have to study vocabulary and grammar.
Write every day. Again, this is one of the truest bits we see over and over again: write something every day, no matter what.
Submit your work for publication. Go ahead and be afraid of rejection. Do it anyway because that's how you learn.
Forget Inspiration. Habit is more dependable. Get in the habit of writing every day.
Forget talent. Constantly learning beats innate ability, and all the talent in the world is wasted if you're not constantly improving your skills.
Forget imagination. Constant practice will stimulate your ideas. Play with them, explore them, and don't worry about being 'silly or outrageous or wrong.'
Persist. This is what every other rule boils down to.


Writer's Thread Question of the Week!

Submissions! All the writing in the world is worthless if you just throw it in a box and forget about it. I'm abjectly terrible at this myself -- I have a decent job so I don't really need the money, and also I'm comically lazy so I never get around to it, with the result that I have not one but two complete novels that are ready for final polish and publication but . . . eh. I got a bunch of rejection letters from agent queries a few years ago so I just stopped sending them out.

What's the best way to encourage writers to submit their works?


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The editorial team is gearing up for another year of the Fark Fiction Anthology! I have a bunch of backend crap I need to get done, like web pages and T&C and all that, but barring some science-fiction disaster I should have every ready to go when we open for submissions on March 1st!


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2023-02-08 3:09:33 PM  
There's more to growth in any artistic pursuit, I think.

You start bad but think you're good and you're inspired and have the energy. Then you get better but now you're starting to realize what you're doing isn't all that good - certainly not as good as you want it to be. And then the inspiration and energy get sucked out of you. That's where most of us wash out and only the good ones soldier on to produce great works.
 
2023-02-08 3:31:16 PM  
Normally I avoid these threads, but yesterday I hit 20k words on my first attempt at non-work-related nonfiction and am feeling pretty confident. The last few years I've tried to get this manuscript off the ground, but the narrative kept falling apart on the turn into CH 3-4. So far with this attempt I've managed to keep things coherent enough that the people who I've read snippets to seem to follow the thread, so we're forging ahead. I'm thinking it'll end up around 50k all told, so I still have a ways to go, but it's my first sustained drafting since I put my fantasy fiction on hold in 2018.

For the nonfiction, I've scoped out a very modest and reasonable subject set, which I hope to convey in the title/subtitle:

A Handbook for Humans: Mental Models for a Global Species
 
2023-02-08 4:06:10 PM  
I'm the opposite. The stuff I was writing at 14 was getting into national literary journals. I was mentioned as one of Canada's up-and-coming writers on CBC radio when I was 19. I found out because a publisher phoned our house and talked to my mom about my writing for like, an hour.

Now I contribute to Fark threads.

/Turns out Canada DGAF about you if you didn't go to uni for Creative Writing.
//No MFA? No publish, eh.
///trois
 
2023-02-08 4:09:29 PM  

Bennie Crabtree: I'm the opposite. The stuff I was writing at 14 was getting into national literary journals. I was mentioned as one of Canada's up-and-coming writers on CBC radio when I was 19. I found out because a publisher phoned our house and talked to my mom about my writing for like, an hour.

Now I contribute to Fark threads.

/Turns out Canada DGAF about you if you didn't go to uni for Creative Writing.
//No MFA? No publish, eh.
///trois


That has been the situation for mainstream large publishing houses since the late 80s. And with the demise of the smaller presses (either through bankruptcy or acquisition), the hobbyist doesn't have a lot of options.
 
2023-02-08 4:10:37 PM  
Eh, I disagree with the quote.

You don't necessarily get better at it :)
 
2023-02-08 4:14:17 PM  
You only get good at something by being bad at it over and over again for a while.
 
2023-02-08 4:24:08 PM  
I submitted a story once to F&SF. It was a horrible story. I can't remember if I even got a rejection letter.

I submitted a story to Dragon. It was about as bad as the other. They didn't like it.

To be honest, I haven't submitted anything else because I still think my stuff is crap. There's a rough draft of a book sitting in the trunk. I suppose there's a handful of people out there who'd like to read a hard-boiled kung fu western fantasy, but how do I find them, and is it worth the time to polish up the MS for them?

The backwards-written story is sitting there, daring me to continue with the penultimate scene. Lately it's been hard to work up the mojo.
 
2023-02-08 4:24:59 PM  
I recently read a profile on Octavia Butler. She was truly ahead of her time. She was a black woman who made a living writing science fiction. It's sad she's not alive to see one of her works being made into a TV show (Kindred). She did write herself into the world. She did more with much less than most people in this country do with many more advantages (including me).

It was this article: https://www.vulture.com/article/octavia-e-butler-profile.html
 
2023-02-08 4:26:41 PM  

Rent Party: You only get good at something by being bad at it over and over again for a while.


Nah I'm gud right from the getgo.
 
2023-02-08 4:32:55 PM  
I have a beautifully hand-written rejection letter from The Atlantic.

I was serious about the writing thing in my early 20s. But my need to pay rent drew me into the exciting world of finance.

I still write music and the occasional comedic sketch, but beating my head against the wall of publishing for a couple of years sort of soured me to the whole idea of writing professionally.
 
2023-02-08 4:36:45 PM  
Re: the quote: I thought it was interesting that as I got better in other areas of my writing I almost regressed in others. I struggled with internal sensations and stretching the sense of time and sensations, something my editor commented on.

But when I went back and read the stuff I was writing in high school and early college? I was doing that and I was doing a damn fine job of it, too! So while we like to think of progress as linear, it really isn't.

I never actually queried my work. I wrote draft letters, but ultimately saw the writing on the wall and went the indie publishing route instead. If I had t do all my own marketing anyway there seemed less and less benefit to being signed to a big publisher who could make me change my name, kill my series before it was done, etc.

One rare-ish thing I have going for me is my own storefront, so it seemed better to leverage that to keep finding new readers as they came across my other products and keep my rights.
 
2023-02-08 4:42:50 PM  
Counterpoint: Shirtaloon
 
2023-02-08 4:42:56 PM  
I submitted a couple stories to Weird Tales years ago in the early 2000s. They told me I needed to submit stories that were less depressing or hopeless for the characters involved.

I just wish they straight up told me I sucked. Think I still have some of those floating around somewhere.
 
2023-02-08 4:46:41 PM  

Bennie Crabtree: I'm the opposite. The stuff I was writing at 14 was getting into national literary journals. I was mentioned as one of Canada's up-and-coming writers on CBC radio when I was 19. I found out because a publisher phoned our house and talked to my mom about my writing for like, an hour.

Now I contribute to Fark threads.

/Turns out Canada DGAF about you if you didn't go to uni for Creative Writing.
//No MFA? No publish, eh.
///trois


True if you are a "literary" writer who submits to small circulation literary magazines, because academics are a clannish lot, I agree.  But it never occurred to me to send stuff that I'd worked so hard to write to a publication that pays in copies.

My story is different.  I didn't start writing seriously until I was in my forties.  I have no advanced degrees, but that didn't stop me from selling everything I wrote.  In fact, I would say that writing, or fiction writing at least, is one of those jobs that, if you can do it well, no one will care about your origins or your education.

What stopped me was the difficulty of the work, and the lack of money that even the better midlist authors suffer from, and I never reached that level of success. I'm lazy and I like to eat. Also, a family to care for... that sort of thing is why a lot of promising writers never find a readership.
 
2023-02-08 5:02:53 PM  
Crap. Meh, it's a start.
 
2023-02-08 5:42:18 PM  

beezeltown: I have a beautifully hand-written rejection letter from The Atlantic.


yo at least they bothered to hand-write it

Smelly Pirate Hooker: I recently read a profile on Octavia Butler. She was truly ahead of her time. She was a black woman who made a living writing science fiction. It's sad she's not alive to see one of her works being made into a TV show (Kindred). She did write herself into the world. She did more with much less than most people in this country do with many more advantages (including me).

It was this article: https://www.vulture.com/article/octavia-e-butler-profile.html


I'm pissed she died as early as she did.
Parable of the Sower is spookily prescient and the first chapter is such a perfect encapsulation of why space programs are both inspiringly awesome and at odds with the needs of the people down here.
 
2023-02-08 5:42:34 PM  
I always write poorly. most really bad authors think they are good and most good authors think they are bad. selling a lot of books doesn't make for a good author *stares at mr king*
 
2023-02-08 5:48:04 PM  
Usually I come into these threads with things to say but I got covid yesterday and I'm a sick puddle on the couch unable to form words.
Rah rah go team
 
2023-02-08 5:48:35 PM  

chucknasty: I always write poorly. most really bad authors think they are good and most good authors think they are bad. selling a lot of books doesn't make for a good author *stares at mr king*


Here's the way I look at Mr. King: someone who has developed that kind of readership has something people want to read.  As a writer, it's good to think about what that thing is, even if, like me, you don't enjoy the actual writing so much.
 
2023-02-08 5:50:18 PM  

chucknasty: I always write poorly. most really bad authors think they are good and most good authors think they are bad. selling a lot of books doesn't make for a good author *stares at mr king*


Use the bad authors as fuel against your impostor syndrome.  If some no-talent shiatbird like, say, Stephenie Meyer or Nicholas Sparks or [etc.] can make it big, so too can you!
 
2023-02-08 5:52:30 PM  
I have one of those Microwave ergonomic keyboards that I had back in college. I actually have several of them. Back in college I had to write about 10 pages a week of reports and essays, so I was really good at things non-fiction and opinion. But now I haven't turned on my workstation more than an hour in the past six months.
 
2023-02-08 5:53:14 PM  

Spawn_of_Cthulhu: Usually I come into these threads with things to say but I got covid yesterday and I'm a sick puddle on the couch unable to form words.
Rah rah go team


Ack, get better quick! Covid is not much fun.
 
2023-02-08 5:53:57 PM  
I haven't been in one of these in so long. 2019-2021 did a number on me mentally and I didn't get a lot of writing done at all. I finally started to turn the corner now and am 50k+ into the first draft of a sequel to my first book, Cone of Silence, with a third book planned after that.

I also have a short story that I think will fit well with the next Fark Anthology. Here's to many words for all of us!
 
2023-02-08 6:05:51 PM  
As a Kindle Unlimited subscriber I can fully attest to the accuracy of Butler's statement.
 
2023-02-08 6:25:48 PM  
For sure, kind of like sex.
 
2023-02-08 6:27:49 PM  

Ashraiel: Re: the quote: I thought it was interesting that as I got better in other areas of my writing I almost regressed in others. I struggled with internal sensations and stretching the sense of time and sensations, something my editor commented on.

But when I went back and read the stuff I was writing in high school and early college? I was doing that and I was doing a damn fine job of it, too! So while we like to think of progress as linear, it really isn't.

I never actually queried my work. I wrote draft letters, but ultimately saw the writing on the wall and went the indie publishing route instead. If I had t do all my own marketing anyway there seemed less and less benefit to being signed to a big publisher who could make me change my name, kill my series before it was done, etc.

One rare-ish thing I have going for me is my own storefront, so it seemed better to leverage that to keep finding new readers as they came across my other products and keep my rights.


I paid for a Kirkus review - because I heard that it was both honest and well-respected - in the hopes that I would get a good review and use it to find an agent/publisher. I got a great review, but nobody cared. I queried a whole bunch for about eight months, but after my tenth rejection I gave up and just published it on Amazon myself.

I don't regret it, but there are so many books out there that your marketing has to be spot on and targetted. I'm still struggling with that.

None of my real life/real job clients speak English.
 
2023-02-08 6:28:40 PM  

Bathroom Samurai: As a Kindle Unlimited subscriber I can fully attest to the accuracy of Butler's statement.


I thought it would be the most amazing thing ever, but it turned out to be the biggest slush pile in the universe.
 
2023-02-08 6:29:02 PM  

Spawn_of_Cthulhu: Usually I come into these threads with things to say but I got covid yesterday and I'm a sick puddle on the couch unable to form words.
Rah rah go team


Feel better soon!
 
2023-02-08 6:33:38 PM  
I keep a running list of publications I want to send a particular story to, and as each one rejects the story I revamp and send it to the next publication on the list. I always follow the guidelines. For some reason, some people don't. I usually find a home for my stories. I know rejection doesn't necessarily mean the story blows. Fear of rejection no longer bothers me the way it used to.
 
2023-02-08 6:49:54 PM  
A Haiku about the State of the Union:

Dark Brandon called them out
Anyone who doubts it, call my office
All right, We got unanimity!
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2023-02-08 6:50:06 PM  

ms_lara_croft: I know rejection doesn't necessarily mean the story blows.


This!

An example: I wrote a novella called "The Beauty Addict" and it was rejected by Gardner at Asimov's, who never bought a single story from me.  I sold it to Bantam's annual anthology and it was a Nebula finalist.  Gardner rejected another Nebula finalist of mine, so that's how it goes sometimes.
 
2023-02-08 6:52:56 PM  
The main difference between an experienced writer and a novice writer is that the experienced writer has already made all the mistakes the novice writer will make, many times. The novice doesn't even know what mistakes look like, or even why they're mistakes.

The main difference between a professional writer and an amateur writer is that the professional writer understands that finishing the draft is only the beginning, and all the really hard stuff starts after it. Amateurs just want to self-publish what they have and move on to the next story.
 
2023-02-08 7:15:30 PM  
I like to tell the story of learning to play guitar. I knew when I started that I was the worst guitarist ever. But I knew that if I practiced and was patient, I'd find someone worse.

I started writing books wondering if I could. More for ego, and maybe a chance of surviving getting old, I want to write something that sells.   That takes two things, something worth reading, and people to know about it.


I'm okay with paying to publish , and really the price I pay now is cheaper every time. They spell check and go through my book pretty thoroughly before it's paged and all the other stuff it takes, including copy writes. But I haven't advertised,. Paid advertised. I have been thinking of a few ways to get a book read. I was thinking PBS maybe donate some cash and get a shout out for the book.

It seems harder in that nobody reads anymore. My publishers also do audio books. But I have the technology to do that.

I was practicing pitching my new book, to a bank teller. She gave me a pretty good review, then suggested she could have her book club read one of my books. Book clubs? It might be small potatoes but to me a read is more important than the sale.
 
2023-02-08 7:51:17 PM  
The Iron Dog stood guard outside the Craigue Center for no one knew how long. It was a fixture, bolted to the concrete as much as the building it was outside.

The Craigue Center was named for a long defunct grocery market from before the rise of actual supermarkets, and had stood the test of time long past its namesake. Even the old timers didn't remember how to properly the name. Was it "cray-goo"? "Crayg-yu?" "Crayg-uh?" Eventually the town settled on calling it "the Craig" and no one complained.

The Craig was a strip of six rooms with no central heating or air conditioning, which made it unpleasant pretty much six months out of the year, despite what the inefficient and outdated window units strived to achieve. Its most common customers were churches who would rent the rooms out for one to two nights a week for Sunday school style classes, even if they weren't on Sundays. Wednesday would see the Presbyterians, Thursdays would see the Catholics, and Sundays were in high demand until the brawl broke out between the Presybters and the Papists, and whoever had inherited ownership just closed it for Sundays altogether.
The graffiti was common, and the Iron Dog did nothing to discourage it, despite no spray paint ever sticking to its distinctly non-iron hide. The walls would regularly get marked and tagged, and once a quarter, the old groundskeeper Willy-his name wasn't actually Willy, but he had a red beard when his hair went grey and had a slight Scottish accent, so all the kids just called him that-would powerwash the vinyl siding, and what got blown away was what got blown away, and once a year, he'd slap a coat of cheap beige primer over the exterior, but he never followed up with real paint.

One night, though, there was a difference. The Iron Dog had seen hundreds of vandals throughout the year, and Larry was one of them. He never did anything profane or offensive, he was just a kid with a name about twenty years out of date and a desire to be heard. The Iron Dog had seen him write his tag, "LarBot" about once a quarter for the last seven years, and honestly, Larry was getting too old to be doing this. It was silly, but it was a ritual. Willy had just cleaned things up yesterday, so, time to make a mark.
Only this time, the trip there wasn't normal. There were new people, the landscape had changed, and Larry found himself sprinting through the alleys trying to get away from them. He didn't know them, but their taunting howls followed him through the night. They'd stabbed him, for fun. Just to warn him they were serious. He was leaking, but not badly-they'd wanted him hurt, not dead.

He ran, and ran, and as his feet pounded the pavement, his boots got heavier and heavier. He thought he was taking random turns until he found himself at the Craig, a place he'd gone to school, been to clubs, and tagged. Once a quarter for the last twelve years, Larry had said he owned this turf. Others did too, but Larry had made it a point of pride to be the first after Willy power-washed.

He could hear his pursuers closing in. They were done taunting, they were closing in for the kill. He staggered, knowing his breaths could be his last. He fell to the concrete a few steps from the Iron Dog's feet, and the spray can in his hand went off, soaking the space between them with bright pastel blue paint which would glow in the dark after a few hours of sunlight. He twisted and slid on his butt through it, utterly staining his pants, as if the blood dripping down from his ribs and onto the concrete wouldn't have done that anyhow.
Larry curled up against the Iron Dog's feet and whimpered to himself, knowing they were going to hurt him before they killed him. He thought about his parents, who loved him enough to send him for extra school, and his siblings who he had brought her regularly for their own schooling. The walls he had painted with his own name, a scream into the heavens to say "I am here! This is mine! NOTICE ME!" And the paint and the blood touched the feet of the Iron Dog, and the Iron Dog moved.

It shifted its shoulders with a screech of brass on brass, though that wasn't a prominent metal in its make-up. As the pursuers burst forth from the alley screaming Larry's name, the Iron Dog stepped over Larry, a sinuous motion which in a living creature would have been silent, but no less protective in its intent. As the chasers started to slow, sensing something amiss, and their compatriots ran into the back of them, a sense of fear and dread settled over the alley behind the Craig.

Something had awoken. And it was unhappy.

The Iron Dog clicked its teeth together and sparks shone. It stepped past Larry, and the growl of grinding gears in a bad transmission came with it. The hunters faltered, and tried to back up, but behind them were friends who had not seen the thing in front of them.

The Iron Dog clicked its teeth again, and this time, the compressed air of thousands of spray paint cans ignited and it breathed flame across those who would harm Larry. It was hot, and swift, and eyebrows and knuckles lost hair, and skin was lightly scorched, but no one was hurt as they universally turned and fled. Then the Iron Dog stalked back to Larry, its motions still a scream of metal on metal, and looked him over.
It sniffed at the paint and blood on his pants, and resumed its watch. As the light faded from its eyes, it growled to Larry, "Larry, don't sit where you paint."
 
2023-02-08 7:51:50 PM  

StaleCoffee: I submitted a couple stories to Weird Tales years ago in the early 2000s. They told me I needed to submit stories that were less depressing or hopeless for the characters involved.

I just wish they straight up told me I sucked. Think I still have some of those floating around somewhere.


Yeah, but maybe you don't suck.
Maybe you're a good writer and a depressing son-of-a-biatch.
 
2023-02-08 8:44:22 PM  

knobmaker: chucknasty: I always write poorly. most really bad authors think they are good and most good authors think they are bad. selling a lot of books doesn't make for a good author *stares at mr king*

Here's the way I look at Mr. King: someone who has developed that kind of readership has something people want to read.  As a writer, it's good to think about what that thing is, even if, like me, you don't enjoy the actual writing so much.


I don't mean to sound contrarian but the popularity of something that is objectively poorly written like The DaVinci Code probably says more about the readers' reading skills than about the book. if you read at a second-grade level then Dan Brown and Stephen King are there for you but I wouldn't recommend things by David Foster Wallace or Nabokov or even Murakami.
King was getting much better but took a weird turn in the middle of the dark tower series. now all his books seem too meta and self-referential to his other books. The Outsider for example really expect you to have read all three of the Mercedes books.
 
2023-02-08 9:49:45 PM  

chucknasty: knobmaker: chucknasty: I always write poorly. most really bad authors think they are good and most good authors think they are bad. selling a lot of books doesn't make for a good author *stares at mr king*

Here's the way I look at Mr. King: someone who has developed that kind of readership has something people want to read.  As a writer, it's good to think about what that thing is, even if, like me, you don't enjoy the actual writing so much.

I don't mean to sound contrarian but the popularity of something that is objectively poorly written like The DaVinci Code probably says more about the readers' reading skills than about the book. if you read at a second-grade level then Dan Brown and Stephen King are there for you but I wouldn't recommend things by David Foster Wallace or Nabokov or even Murakami.
King was getting much better but took a weird turn in the middle of the dark tower series. now all his books seem too meta and self-referential to his other books. The Outsider for example really expect you to have read all three of the Mercedes books.


Certainly there are many criticisms that can be made of King's work.  My point, however, is that if you can't understand the appeal of his work, you don't understand millions of readers (actual human beings.) I can't help but think this is a handicap for writers who want to write about human beings.

Doesn't mean you have to like it, but it's probably worth the effort to try to understand it on a deeper level than just ignorant people like bad writers.  They do, of course, sometimes.
 
2023-02-08 11:48:13 PM  

knobmaker: chucknasty: knobmaker: chucknasty: I always write poorly. most really bad authors think they are good and most good authors think they are bad. selling a lot of books doesn't make for a good author *stares at mr king*

Here's the way I look at Mr. King: someone who has developed that kind of readership has something people want to read.  As a writer, it's good to think about what that thing is, even if, like me, you don't enjoy the actual writing so much.

I don't mean to sound contrarian but the popularity of something that is objectively poorly written like The DaVinci Code probably says more about the readers' reading skills than about the book. if you read at a second-grade level then Dan Brown and Stephen King are there for you but I wouldn't recommend things by David Foster Wallace or Nabokov or even Murakami.
King was getting much better but took a weird turn in the middle of the dark tower series. now all his books seem too meta and self-referential to his other books. The Outsider for example really expect you to have read all three of the Mercedes books.

Certainly there are many criticisms that can be made of King's work.  My point, however, is that if you can't understand the appeal of his work, you don't understand millions of readers (actual human beings.) I can't help but think this is a handicap for writers who want to write about human beings.

Doesn't mean you have to like it, but it's probably worth the effort to try to understand it on a deeper level than just ignorant people like bad writers.  They do, of course, sometimes.


yeah, it's more important to understand why a work is memorable than it is to like it.  that goes for Fine Literature and airport paperback bullshiat alike.
 
2023-02-08 11:50:46 PM  
I always suggest writing for a community college newspaper, and for once it fits the weekly topic.

My old junior college went all digital, except for a literary magazine each semester, but we used to go to print every two weeks. Many times someone didn't finish their assignment, and many times going to print an editor would ask if I had anything that would film four or five column inches. I always had something extra finished.

That kind of spoiled me, because I never had to pitch stories, just have one finished on time. And a spare.

Writing freelance at a smallville paper was pretty easy to pitch stories with a local angle. I had to unlock that door first, but bring my scrapbook to that interview, with three semesters of articles and photos, really helped a lot.

My point being, it keeps getting easier to get a submission accepted if you already have success submitting. And the college paper was so desperate for words, that I just needed "clean copy" that was finished. (Within reason of course)

Getting over that hill for the first one is tough. Submitting that first one is tough, and involves many different moving parts.
 
2023-02-09 12:04:18 AM  

ms_lara_croft: I keep a running list of publications I want to send a particular story to, and as each one rejects the story I revamp and send it to the next publication on the list. I always follow the guidelines. For some reason, some people don't. I usually find a home for my stories. I know rejection doesn't necessarily mean the story blows. Fear of rejection no longer bothers me the way it used to.


how did you originally amass your list o' publications?
 
2023-02-09 7:29:43 AM  

Inchoate: ms_lara_croft: I keep a running list of publications I want to send a particular story to, and as each one rejects the story I revamp and send it to the next publication on the list. I always follow the guidelines. For some reason, some people don't. I usually find a home for my stories. I know rejection doesn't necessarily mean the story blows. Fear of rejection no longer bothers me the way it used to.

how did you originally amass your list o' publications?


I use the list of publications at The Horror Zine. I'd originally used Duotrope before paywall, so I already knew where to send stories. I also look at the Open Call groups on Facebook for submission calls. There are open groups for horror, fantasy, and science fiction. I think there are some for romance, but I haven't looked lately.

Here's The Horror Zine's list. Full disclosure: I'm the Media Director for The Horror Zine. As always, investigate each call before submitting. https://www.thehorrorzine.com/ListofZines.html
 
2023-02-09 10:50:43 AM  
20 years of experiance

or one year twenty times?

same old. phone is ringing off the hook... or you're starving.

welcome to the BNW, DGAF. the web steals; people rarely buy.
 
2023-02-09 3:02:21 PM  
This thread made me feel better, thanks guys.

Hey, yesterday I got a writing grant. Woo!
 
2023-02-09 3:58:29 PM  

Bennie Crabtree: This thread made me feel better, thanks guys.

Hey, yesterday I got a writing grant. Woo!


Congratulations!
 
2023-02-09 9:42:30 PM  

Bennie Crabtree: This thread made me feel better, thanks guys.

Hey, yesterday I got a writing grant. Woo!


Many congrats!
 
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