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2023-02-08 2:24:41 PM  
Great idea. But who cleans it up when it's not needed anymore?
 
2023-02-08 2:30:14 PM  

OdradekRex: Great idea. But who cleans it up when it's not needed anymore?


DYSONASA
 
2023-02-08 2:44:22 PM  

OdradekRex: Great idea. But who cleans it up when it's not needed anymore?


COnsideirng how badly we need it, I think we can let the people of the 32nd century deal with it
 
2023-02-08 3:47:29 PM  
What could possibly go wrong from blocking sunlight from hitting the earth....
 
2023-02-08 3:53:06 PM  
Why deal with the causes when there's a questionable solution on the distant horizon?
 
2023-02-08 3:53:59 PM  
Sure beats cutting into to oil profits.
 
2023-02-08 3:54:06 PM  

arrogantbastich: What could possibly go wrong from blocking sunlight from hitting the earth....


Oh no, we overshot and are now at risk of global cooling. Better crank up oil production.
 
2023-02-08 3:58:48 PM  
The cost of simply replacing all fossil fuel generation would be minimal compared to the idea of mining, um, *checks article* "... millions of tons of moon dust."

Where do they find these idiots?
 
2023-02-08 4:01:06 PM  
You have to be educated and intelligent to be that magnificently, amazingly, colossally stupid.
 
2023-02-08 4:03:40 PM  
People forget because it looks so big in the sky but the moon is really far away.
That's one reason I'm always dubious about these ideas.
 
2023-02-08 4:03:45 PM  
What could go wrong?

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2023-02-08 4:07:05 PM  
Turning the moon into powder is a pretty effective and thorough means of defeating it. Take that! You stupid moon
 
2023-02-08 4:09:29 PM  
Simple solution: USE LESS.
Not "use none", but "use less".
The planet does a pretty god job of fixing itself. Witness the repair of the ozone layer after people stopped spraying shat into it.

We just have to give erf time to repair the damage, and that means damaging it more slowly than it can fix itself.
Using what we use better - as in more sustainably - would help too. Saw a story on NHK world Japan yesterday about a beef rancher that used coffee grounds that would normally be thrown out as garbage mixed in with the bedding for his cows. Result was the grounds absorbed the most of the stink microbes from the manure and the bedding in the stalls had to be changed a lot less often. Also composts more quickly. It's little stuff like this that works.
 
2023-02-08 4:11:08 PM  
It's not like anything we use relies on the sun.
 
2023-02-08 4:11:21 PM  

OdradekRex: Great idea. But who cleans it up when it's not needed anymore?


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2023-02-08 4:15:03 PM  

Mad_Radhu: What could go wrong?

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In fairness the Moon disaster was pointedly not the fault of humans
 
2023-02-08 4:15:13 PM  
FTFA: A solution to the climate crisis: mining the moon, researchers say
Astrophysicists propose geoengineering solution to climate warming, although skeptics still urge 'massive' fossil fuel cutbacks


Whatever the solution is if it doesn't involve further enriching the already rich and powerful, and putting human societies even further under the thumb of a small number of oligarchs, it simply isn't going to happen without a lot of guillotines getting a workout first.

As things are, we'll be driven to extinction or near extinction before our species is collectively willing to address climate change meaningfully.
 
2023-02-08 4:38:50 PM  
People will come up with literally any idea other than something that might pose an inconvenience
 
2023-02-08 4:45:49 PM  
Engineering the lunar mine and launch facility will be trivial, compared to the power requirements and orbital mechanics of the L1 "catcher".
 
2023-02-08 4:53:36 PM  
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2023-02-08 4:53:45 PM  

rewind2846: Simple solution: USE LESS.
Not "use none", but "use less".


Scientists have been saying that for generations, and people decided they didn't want to do that.  They wanted more, and to have science come up with a way for it to be feasible.

It's not.  It never will be.
 
2023-02-08 4:59:17 PM  

Mad_Radhu: What could go wrong?

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Wrong Stephenson...

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2023-02-08 4:59:36 PM  
I don't care how much of the plot they try to bring to life, THERE WAS NO SECOND HIGHLANDER MOVIE.
 
2023-02-08 5:02:14 PM  

rewind2846: Simple solution: USE LESS.
Not "use none", but "use less".
The planet does a pretty god job of fixing itself. Witness the repair of the ozone layer after people stopped spraying shat into it.

We just have to give erf time to repair the damage, and that means damaging it more slowly than it can fix itself.
Using what we use better - as in more sustainably - would help too. Saw a story on NHK world Japan yesterday about a beef rancher that used coffee grounds that would normally be thrown out as garbage mixed in with the bedding for his cows. Result was the grounds absorbed the most of the stink microbes from the manure and the bedding in the stalls had to be changed a lot less often. Also composts more quickly. It's little stuff like this that works.


They always drag out a specific use case to highlight why everything should be gas based forever.

Use less by using electric vehicles where it makes sense and don't use them where it doesn't.  It's not hard, but republicans can't seem to grasp that concept.
 
2023-02-08 5:09:09 PM  
moonshot?

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2023-02-08 5:11:09 PM  

labman: Use less by using electric vehicles where it makes sense and don't use them where it doesn't.  It's not hard, but republicans can't seem to grasp that concept.


Biden administration decision limits the mining of a significant portion of the Duluth Complex, one of the largest undeveloped deposits of copper, nickel, cobalt and other platinum-group metals in the world.

Yup, definitely Republicans blocking the availability of electric vehicles.
 
2023-02-08 5:17:22 PM  

StatelyGreekAutomaton: arrogantbastich: What could possibly go wrong from blocking sunlight from hitting the earth....

Oh no, we overshot and are now at risk of global cooling. Better crank up oil production.


Plants sequester carbon and produce oxygen... they need sunlight.

Solar panels reduce fossil fuel consumption... they need sunlight.

Etc.
 
2023-02-08 5:33:02 PM  

qorkfiend: Mad_Radhu: What could go wrong?

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In fairness the Moon disaster was pointedly not the fault of humans


Well maybe. Could have been future humans trying to make sure their future happened.
 
2023-02-08 6:26:54 PM  

Samfucious: Sure beats cutting into to oil profits.


Yeah like carbon capture and nuclear this is a "business as usual" distraction/plan.
 
2023-02-08 6:27:52 PM  

mongbiohazard: FTFA: A solution to the climate crisis: mining the moon, researchers say
Astrophysicists propose geoengineering solution to climate warming, although skeptics still urge 'massive' fossil fuel cutbacks

Whatever the solution is if it doesn't involve further enriching the already rich and powerful, and putting human societies even further under the thumb of a small number of oligarchs, it simply isn't going to happen without a lot of guillotines getting a workout first.

As things are, we'll be driven to extinction or near extinction before our species is collectively willing to address climate change meaningfully.


It's hard to "collectively" do anything when you are powerless and unorganized.
 
2023-02-08 6:29:37 PM  

The Weekend Baker: rewind2846: Simple solution: USE LESS.
Not "use none", but "use less".

Scientists have been saying that for generations, and people decided they didn't want to do that.  They wanted more, and to have science come up with a way for it to be feasible.

It's not.  It never will be.


No, but we can have fewer people.
And very likely will, one day soon.
 
2023-02-08 6:41:06 PM  

jso2897: The Weekend Baker: rewind2846: Simple solution: USE LESS.
Not "use none", but "use less".

Scientists have been saying that for generations, and people decided they didn't want to do that.  They wanted more, and to have science come up with a way for it to be feasible.

It's not.  It never will be.

No, but we can have fewer people.
And very likely will, one day soon.


We are every day, here in the USA. Citizens have been below the replacement birth rate for a while.
 
2023-02-08 6:43:46 PM  
absolutely nothing could go wrong with that plan

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2023-02-08 7:02:09 PM  
Why yes lets cripple any deep space probes or orbiting space telescope.
 
2023-02-08 7:10:59 PM  

rewind2846: Simple solution: USE LESS.
Not "use none", but "use less".


NO

for farks sake its in your cyber name. we need to rewind the humans.

humans were never meant to live this way. plugged into the doohickeys and whiz gigs with your face in the computer!

we need to go back to farming and hunting and gathering like gaia intended

not blotting out the sun like the matrix

the matrix was a good movie.
 
2023-02-08 7:14:13 PM  

SatanReport: rewind2846: Simple solution: USE LESS.
Not "use none", but "use less".

NO

for farks sake its in your cyber name. we need to rewind the humans.

humans were never meant to live this way. plugged into the doohickeys and whiz gigs with your face in the computer!

we need to go back to farming and hunting and gathering like gaia intended

not blotting out the sun like the matrix

the matrix was a good movie.


If Gaia intended that she erred grievously by giving us the ability to build and assuming we wouldn't use it
 
2023-02-08 7:28:06 PM  

Obscene_CNN: Why yes lets cripple any deep space probes or orbiting space telescope.


Look, you commie. Mother nature started this war and, by the christian god, we're damn well going to end it right here and now!
 
2023-02-08 7:34:50 PM  

qorkfiend: SatanReport: rewind2846: Simple solution: USE LESS.
Not "use none", but "use less".

NO

for farks sake its in your cyber name. we need to rewind the humans.

humans were never meant to live this way. plugged into the doohickeys and whiz gigs with your face in the computer!

we need to go back to farming and hunting and gathering like gaia intended

not blotting out the sun like the matrix

the matrix was a good movie.

If Gaia intended that she erred grievously by giving us the ability to build and assuming we wouldn't use it


oh yeah building. all you computer people are so creative, building the fancy tools to kill mother gaia who never hurt you or anyone.

its like nobody has ever heard the word hubris. its like none of you can deal with the idea of having to do any real work, with your hands.

all you want to do is type type type like a bunch of robots in the matrix
 
2023-02-08 7:57:52 PM  
Don't Look Up   was very helpful as a morality play, kind of simllarly to Contagion, showing how people get distracted so easily from doing what is right. We get tweaked and twitchy and get railroaded into thinking that if we just buy one more product or have one great idea, that everything will turn around. That one weird trick. That new diet. That spark joy way of thinking that will fix our lifestyles, the planet, or impending doom. Meanwhile, the reality steamroller just rolls over all of those ducklings and we stand horrified.

I have separated my brain into that half which still appreciates whimsy and neat ideas, and the other half which appreciates human experience and human nature. It works! I have watched human nature take the concept of EVs from being a neat idea, and turn it into a wasteful cash grab. Home batteries were a great idea until the marketing of them settled into a.. cash grab by electricity arbitrageurs. Most renewable ideas seem legitimately interesting until the claims for clams pop up to ruin everything. There is a predictable pattern. I will call it green hucksterism.

And so we come to Moon mining! A great idea. And yes it can work. And yes it is probably cheaper than changing every last bit of our infrastructure here on Earth. Changing outer space is a lot cheaper, and hey! No NIMBY! Go look at videos on YouTube by IsaacArthur. The technology is trivial. Mine the aluminum. Pound it into thin sheets, and launch the sheets using mass drivers to some Earth orbit and set them up. When you don't need them, repurpose them as reflectors, or shades, or whatever.

Musk and Co are launching 3300 satellites. Just imagine each rocket had rolls of aluminum foil about a 100th as thick as what you would use for a baked potato. Let's say 33,000 rolls of foil, Earth launched, each roll covering half a football field. 33,000 x 50 m x 50 m. I think that is a square that is 9 km on a side. Now put that square a few thousand miles from Earth, and that is a lot of shade.

The problems humans have not solved are humanity itself, basically. The necessary concentration of resources will probably prevent the necessary cooperation, collaboration, collective action necessary to do the job. We know where we need to go, but we can't get there from here.
 
2023-02-08 8:01:47 PM  

2fardownthread: Don't Look Up   was very helpful as a morality play, kind of simllarly to Contagion, showing how people get distracted so easily from doing what is right. We get tweaked and twitchy and get railroaded into thinking that if we just buy one more product or have one great idea, that everything will turn around. That one weird trick. That new diet. That spark joy way of thinking that will fix our lifestyles, the planet, or impending doom. Meanwhile, the reality steamroller just rolls over all of those ducklings and we stand horrified.

I have separated my brain into that half which still appreciates whimsy and neat ideas, and the other half which appreciates human experience and human nature. It works! I have watched human nature take the concept of EVs from being a neat idea, and turn it into a wasteful cash grab. Home batteries were a great idea until the marketing of them settled into a.. cash grab by electricity arbitrageurs. Most renewable ideas seem legitimately interesting until the claims for clams pop up to ruin everything. There is a predictable pattern. I will call it green hucksterism.

And so we come to Moon mining! A great idea. And yes it can work. And yes it is probably cheaper than changing every last bit of our infrastructure here on Earth. Changing outer space is a lot cheaper, and hey! No NIMBY! Go look at videos on YouTube by IsaacArthur. The technology is trivial. Mine the aluminum. Pound it into thin sheets, and launch the sheets using mass drivers to some Earth orbit and set them up. When you don't need them, repurpose them as reflectors, or shades, or whatever.

Musk and Co are launching 3300 satellites. Just imagine each rocket had rolls of aluminum foil about a 100th as thick as what you would use for a baked potato. Let's say 33,000 rolls of foil, Earth launched, each roll covering half a football field. 33,000 x 50 m x 50 m. I think that is a square that is 9 km on a side. Now put that square a few thousand miles from Earth, and that is a lo ...


is all your fancy science talk going to grow me some crops?

its all useless. just give up. let it die so the earth can live.
 
2023-02-08 8:30:48 PM  

weddingsinger: [Fark user image image 245x140]


Thus began the great lunar cataclysm, and the ascendancy of my people.
 
2023-02-08 8:55:37 PM  

SatanReport: qorkfiend: SatanReport: rewind2846: Simple solution: USE LESS.
Not "use none", but "use less".

NO

for farks sake its in your cyber name. we need to rewind the humans.

humans were never meant to live this way. plugged into the doohickeys and whiz gigs with your face in the computer!

we need to go back to farming and hunting and gathering like gaia intended

not blotting out the sun like the matrix

the matrix was a good movie.

If Gaia intended that she erred grievously by giving us the ability to build and assuming we wouldn't use it

oh yeah building. all you computer people are so creative, building the fancy tools to kill mother gaia who never hurt you or anyone.

its like nobody has ever heard the word hubris. its like none of you can deal with the idea of having to do any real work, with your hands.

all you want to do is type type type like a bunch of robots in the matrix


Why do you think we're separate from nature?
 
2023-02-08 8:58:13 PM  

SatanReport: 2fardownthread: Don't Look Up   was very helpful as a morality play, kind of simllarly to Contagion, showing how people get distracted so easily from doing what is right. We get tweaked and twitchy and get railroaded into thinking that if we just buy one more product or have one great idea, that everything will turn around. That one weird trick. That new diet. That spark joy way of thinking that will fix our lifestyles, the planet, or impending doom. Meanwhile, the reality steamroller just rolls over all of those ducklings and we stand horrified.

I have separated my brain into that half which still appreciates whimsy and neat ideas, and the other half which appreciates human experience and human nature. It works! I have watched human nature take the concept of EVs from being a neat idea, and turn it into a wasteful cash grab. Home batteries were a great idea until the marketing of them settled into a.. cash grab by electricity arbitrageurs. Most renewable ideas seem legitimately interesting until the claims for clams pop up to ruin everything. There is a predictable pattern. I will call it green hucksterism.

And so we come to Moon mining! A great idea. And yes it can work. And yes it is probably cheaper than changing every last bit of our infrastructure here on Earth. Changing outer space is a lot cheaper, and hey! No NIMBY! Go look at videos on YouTube by IsaacArthur. The technology is trivial. Mine the aluminum. Pound it into thin sheets, and launch the sheets using mass drivers to some Earth orbit and set them up. When you don't need them, repurpose them as reflectors, or shades, or whatever.

Musk and Co are launching 3300 satellites. Just imagine each rocket had rolls of aluminum foil about a 100th as thick as what you would use for a baked potato. Let's say 33,000 rolls of foil, Earth launched, each roll covering half a football field. 33,000 x 50 m x 50 m. I think that is a square that is 9 km on a side. Now put that square a few thousand miles from Earth, and that is a lo ...

is all your fancy science talk going to grow me some crops?

its all useless. just give up. let it die so the earth can live.


Considering that the only reason we can feed as many people as we can do easily is purely because we scienced nitrogen fixation.
 
2023-02-08 9:18:58 PM  

Shakin_Haitian: SatanReport: qorkfiend: SatanReport: rewind2846: Simple solution: USE LESS.
Not "use none", but "use less".

NO

for farks sake its in your cyber name. we need to rewind the humans.

humans were never meant to live this way. plugged into the doohickeys and whiz gigs with your face in the computer!

we need to go back to farming and hunting and gathering like gaia intended

not blotting out the sun like the matrix

the matrix was a good movie.

If Gaia intended that she erred grievously by giving us the ability to build and assuming we wouldn't use it

oh yeah building. all you computer people are so creative, building the fancy tools to kill mother gaia who never hurt you or anyone.

its like nobody has ever heard the word hubris. its like none of you can deal with the idea of having to do any real work, with your hands.

all you want to do is type type type like a bunch of robots in the matrix

Why do you think we're separate from nature?


because we are separate from nature. thats why people say stuff like naturally occurring. as in it wouldnt be there if it werent for us dirty, dirty humans clogging up the joint.

and us being able to feed so many people is the whole problem. we werent supposed to grow this much. we were supposed to stay nice and simple, with hoes and rakes in the garden. the simple life. the peaceful life. the not buliding demon computers and bending over for the robots life.

also not using technology for cartoon villain plans to blot out the sun like chumpozos who cant take a loss.

but nobody wants to admit that. no, they just want more ithings, and mespace, and fartbook. they want to drool over the fancy computer they built to kill us all with.

humans are not nearly humble enough.
 
2023-02-08 9:38:21 PM  

Shakin_Haitian: SatanReport: 2fardownthread: Don't Look Up   was very helpful as a morality play, kind of simllarly to Contagion, showing how people get distracted so easily from doing what is right. We get tweaked and twitchy and get railroaded into thinking that if we just buy one more product or have one great idea, that everything will turn around. That one weird trick. That new diet. That spark joy way of thinking that will fix our lifestyles, the planet, or impending doom. Meanwhile, the reality steamroller just rolls over all of those ducklings and we stand horrified.

I have separated my brain into that half which still appreciates whimsy and neat ideas, and the other half which appreciates human experience and human nature. It works! I have watched human nature take the concept of EVs from being a neat idea, and turn it into a wasteful cash grab. Home batteries were a great idea until the marketing of them settled into a.. cash grab by electricity arbitrageurs. Most renewable ideas seem legitimately interesting until the claims for clams pop up to ruin everything. There is a predictable pattern. I will call it green hucksterism.

And so we come to Moon mining! A great idea. And yes it can work. And yes it is probably cheaper than changing every last bit of our infrastructure here on Earth. Changing outer space is a lot cheaper, and hey! No NIMBY! Go look at videos on YouTube by IsaacArthur. The technology is trivial. Mine the aluminum. Pound it into thin sheets, and launch the sheets using mass drivers to some Earth orbit and set them up. When you don't need them, repurpose them as reflectors, or shades, or whatever.

Musk and Co are launching 3300 satellites. Just imagine each rocket had rolls of aluminum foil about a 100th as thick as what you would use for a baked potato. Let's say 33,000 rolls of foil, Earth launched, each roll covering half a football field. 33,000 x 50 m x 50 m. I think that is a square that is 9 km on a side. Now put that square a few thousand miles from Earth, and that is a lo ...

is all your fancy science talk going to grow me some crops?

its all useless. just give up. let it die so the earth can live.

Considering that the only reason we can feed as many people as we can do easily is purely because we scienced nitrogen fixation.


Scienced the crap out of that shiat.

Sadly the same dude who scienced that also scienced weaponized chlorine in WWI
 
2023-02-08 9:40:00 PM  
5 years later:

"I wonder why crops globally are failing. Couldn't possibly be a lack of light."
 
2023-02-08 10:45:01 PM  
... I mean, universally dropping crop yields everywhere so that half the population dies of starvation and the other half murders 99% of itself in the ensuing necessary wars for survival now that you've thrown a rock through the window of food production and pulled the rug out of literally the entirety of human civilization is a kind of solution to global warming.

Usually we try not to take the people that are like "solving environmental problems is easy, you just need to kill 99.5% of the population" particularly seriously, though.  Ecofascism is generally not considered any more credible than the normal racial-eugenics kind.
 
2023-02-08 10:45:27 PM  

replacementcool: 5 years later:

"I wonder why crops globally are failing. Couldn't possibly be a lack of light."


can't be, must need more brawndo
 
2023-02-08 10:47:03 PM  

2fardownthread: Changing outer space is a lot cheaper


i stopped here
these words have never been said in this order by anyone who was right about anything, ever
 
2023-02-08 11:39:46 PM  

WelldeadLink: Engineering the lunar mine and launch facility will be trivial, compared to the power requirements and orbital mechanics of the L1 "catcher".


I feel like someone recently found a copy of "Colonies in Space".

I've still got my copy, but I'm under no illusions that it's farking real. There's definitely a lot of neat ideas, but the odds that the actual real-world equivalent would work anything at all like what's in that book? Vegas wouldn't touch those odds.

I say that having spent some time working on a beamed-power system in my distant youth. If, (BIG if) SpaceX can get the cost to LEO under $100/Kg, then we might see some shiat.
 
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