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(The Verge)   Subby sincerely hopes the 11 people who are going to buy this gaming laptop with Intel's most powerful laptop CPU in history for just a shade under $5,000 are very happy with their obsolete machine   (theverge.com) divider line
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Rage Against the Thorazine [TotalFark]
2023-02-08 12:23:31 PM  
This is one thing I never understood about PC manufacturers. Why the fark do they put stickers all over laptops? Stop. No one wants it. It looks like shiat. You wouldn't sell a car this way why would they think people would want stickers on their laptop much less a $5000 one?

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NeoCortex42 [TotalFark]
2023-02-08 12:54:18 PM  

Rage Against the Thorazine: This is one thing I never understood about PC manufacturers. Why the fark do they put stickers all over laptops? Stop. No one wants it. It looks like shiat. You wouldn't sell a car this way why would they think people would want stickers on their laptop much less a $5000 one?

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I put stickers on my recent laptop. Of course, they're ones I've picked and not just manufacturer advertising badges.

The first thing I do on a new laptop is peel off those Intel/Nvidia/etc stickers.
 
Sofakinbd [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-02-08 12:59:10 PM  

Rage Against the Thorazine: This is one thing I never understood about PC manufacturers. Why the fark do they put stickers all over laptops? Stop. No one wants it. It looks like shiat. You wouldn't sell a car this way why would they think people would want stickers on their laptop much less a $5000 one?


Car dealers say hold my beer:
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I wouldn't have it on any car I buy either, and it would be in the contract to void the agreement if its present upon pickup/delivery. Additionally, they aren't allowed to change the license plate frame at each service either.
 
Sliding Carp [TotalFark]
2023-02-08 1:10:34 PM  
I'm old and dumb, and I'm not getting something here -- what does it mean to have a game put out more FPS than the screen's refresh rate?
 
Chemlight Battery
2023-02-08 1:55:24 PM  

Sliding Carp: I'm old and dumb, and I'm not getting something here -- what does it mean to have a game put out more FPS than the screen's refresh rate?


It means you can stop trying to improve your FPS and start spending your dollars on more RGB to achieve true gaming supremacy.
 
DecemberNitro
2023-02-08 1:56:21 PM  
... aaaaaand it's obsolete. Just now.
 
Sofakinbd [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-02-08 1:59:44 PM  

Sliding Carp: I'm old and dumb, and I'm not getting something here -- what does it mean to have a game put out more FPS than the screen's refresh rate?


I believe you can see the future at that point
 
Myk-House of El [BareFark] [OhFark]
2023-02-08 2:05:14 PM  
♫ Your laptop is a month old? Well that's great
If you could use a nice, heavy paperweight ♫
 
PvtStash
2023-02-08 2:05:40 PM  
A "gaming" laptop requires a specific set of specs to understand what you are buying.

Like most gamer rigs we want to see FPS in a variety of games at a variety of settings.
HOWEVER as a laptop this needs an additional stat to truly understand what you are getting.
FPS over time vs. fan noise levels.

Are you taking that to the LAN? Are participating in a massive hours long raid? Do you like many gamers play for 2-4 hours straight?
Well, what's the FPS in that laptop after 30 min? after 60? after 120?, 3 hours of raid later what's the FPS?
And what amount of jet engine fan noise are we tolerating to get that?
 
Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion
2023-02-08 2:07:49 PM  

Rage Against the Thorazine: This is one thing I never understood about PC manufacturers. Why the fark do they put stickers all over laptops? Stop. No one wants it. It looks like shiat. You wouldn't sell a car this way why would they think people would want stickers on their laptop much less a $5000 one?

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What? Every car ever is covered with logos, makes, models, and equipment lists. They all say "4x4", "Hemi", "Fuel Injected", "DOHC", "SHO", etc. Even the dealers put dealer stickers all over them.
 
mongbiohazard [BareFark]
2023-02-08 2:09:48 PM  

Sliding Carp: I'm old and dumb, and I'm not getting something here -- what does it mean to have a game put out more FPS than the screen's refresh rate?


To use the full potential of the monitor.

A very broad overview is that if the FPS is lower than the refresh rate the most it can display are the FPS being rendered. If your setup can push out more frames than the refresh rate though, then your monitor can perform up to its max refresh rate.

I like to try and get as close to my refresh rate as possible. I'm on a 144hz monitor though, so on the rare game that my CPU/GPU can push more than 144hz I try not to overshoot too much - I'd increase my detail settings until I get right down to around 144FPS.
 
xanadian [TotalFark]
2023-02-08 2:10:10 PM  
If you're looking for a 17 incher with a high-resolution screen and cool-looking lights but find the Titan a bit out of your price range, a 4K version of Alienware's ...


#nope

Won't buy any consumer-tier Dell product.  F that noise.  I'll get a Mac instead.
 
johnphantom
2023-02-08 2:10:38 PM  
At least it has gotten cheaper to invest in top of the line equipment.

//spent a good $10k on a 1990 386DX/33 with 16MB of 1MB RAM chips (server mobo) 500MB hard drive space Truevision Targa+ 64 2MB real VRAM video editing board
//could overclock the ISA bus to 18.???MHz (don't remember exactly)
 
xanadian [TotalFark]
2023-02-08 2:11:19 PM  

PvtStash: And what amount of jet engine fan noise are we tolerating to get that?


They do mention in TFA that it's pretty loud.

Besides, that's what headphones are for.
 
Ivo Shandor [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-02-08 2:12:47 PM  

Rage Against the Thorazine: This is one thing I never understood about PC manufacturers. Why the fark do they put stickers all over laptops? Stop. No one wants it. It looks like shiat. You wouldn't sell a car this way why would they think people would want stickers on their laptop much less a $5000 one?

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Stickers are common on laptops. Helps to distinguish yours from the bunch of otherwise-identical ones at a conference or in a corporate meeting room.

But those are stickers you choose for yourself, not ones which the manufacturer supplied. I agree that those are trash.
 
KarmicDisaster [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-02-08 2:16:40 PM  

NeoCortex42: Rage Against the Thorazine: This is one thing I never understood about PC manufacturers. Why the fark do they put stickers all over laptops? Stop. No one wants it. It looks like shiat. You wouldn't sell a car this way why would they think people would want stickers on their laptop much less a $5000 one?

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I put stickers on my recent laptop. Of course, they're ones I've picked and not just manufacturer advertising badges.

The first thing I do on a new laptop is peel off those Intel/Nvidia/etc stickers.


My latest chromebook has "Antimicrobial Corning® Gorilla® Glass" permanently etched on the bezel.  I had to cover it with tape, it can't be removed. So stupid.
 
deadsanta
2023-02-08 2:32:54 PM  
I had a boss Alienware system once, until the day I opened the screen and the hinges just snapped off, which depowers the screen forever.  It was over two years old so now I have a $2500 doorstop.

Bought a cheap Lenovo at Best Buy for around $900 after that, it's been going two years with no problems, even if it explodes at 36 months, was still a better purchase.
 
Sliding Carp [TotalFark]
2023-02-08 2:55:25 PM  

mongbiohazard: Sliding Carp: I'm old and dumb, and I'm not getting something here -- what does it mean to have a game put out more FPS than the screen's refresh rate?

To use the full potential of the monitor.

A very broad overview is that if the FPS is lower than the refresh rate the most it can display are the FPS being rendered. If your setup can push out more frames than the refresh rate though, then your monitor can perform up to its max refresh rate.

I like to try and get as close to my refresh rate as possible. I'm on a 144hz monitor though, so on the rare game that my CPU/GPU can push more than 144hz I try not to overshoot too much - I'd increase my detail settings until I get right down to around 144FPS.


Thanks.  That's what I would have thought - more than the refresh rate is just a space heater, more or less.  It struck me in the ad article that they were bragging about putting like 500 frames in when they could only ever get 144 out.
 
assjuice
2023-02-08 3:07:16 PM  

Rage Against the Thorazine: This is one thing I never understood about PC manufacturers. Why the fark do they put stickers all over laptops? Stop. No one wants it. It looks like shiat. You wouldn't sell a car this way why would they think people would want stickers on their laptop much less a $5000 one?

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You are lucky if the dealer didn't badge your car
 
dyhchong
2023-02-08 3:16:11 PM  
The Core i9-13980HX is the most powerful CPU Intel has ever made, and it earns its stripes here.

Pretty sure it's not, the 60 full fat core, 120 thread Xeon Platinum 8490H would crush that pissy i9 in multi-thread and total performance, and if they're meaning single thread, the i9-13900K with its 5.8GHz turbo on the same architecture would win in single thread.
 
Rage Against the Thorazine [TotalFark]
2023-02-08 3:22:31 PM  

mongbiohazard: Sliding Carp: I'm old and dumb, and I'm not getting something here -- what does it mean to have a game put out more FPS than the screen's refresh rate?

To use the full potential of the monitor.

A very broad overview is that if the FPS is lower than the refresh rate the most it can display are the FPS being rendered. If your setup can push out more frames than the refresh rate though, then your monitor can perform up to its max refresh rate.

I like to try and get as close to my refresh rate as possible. I'm on a 144hz monitor though, so on the rare game that my CPU/GPU can push more than 144hz I try not to overshoot too much - I'd increase my detail settings until I get right down to around 144FPS.


144hz refresh = 72 max fps
 
dyhchong
2023-02-08 3:23:40 PM  

Rage Against the Thorazine: mongbiohazard: Sliding Carp: I'm old and dumb, and I'm not getting something here -- what does it mean to have a game put out more FPS than the screen's refresh rate?

To use the full potential of the monitor.

A very broad overview is that if the FPS is lower than the refresh rate the most it can display are the FPS being rendered. If your setup can push out more frames than the refresh rate though, then your monitor can perform up to its max refresh rate.

I like to try and get as close to my refresh rate as possible. I'm on a 144hz monitor though, so on the rare game that my CPU/GPU can push more than 144hz I try not to overshoot too much - I'd increase my detail settings until I get right down to around 144FPS.

144hz refresh = 72 max fps


Huh? How do you figure that?
 
dyhchong
2023-02-08 3:25:42 PM  

Rage Against the Thorazine: This is one thing I never understood about PC manufacturers. Why the fark do they put stickers all over laptops? Stop. No one wants it. It looks like shiat. You wouldn't sell a car this way why would they think people would want stickers on their laptop much less a $5000 one?

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It's to point out their focal points when a shop unboxes one and puts it on display. Rather than have a "display" SKU sent to every shop, they just slap the stickers on all of them and have one SKU.
 
mongbiohazard [BareFark]
2023-02-08 3:33:22 PM  

Sliding Carp: mongbiohazard: Sliding Carp: I'm old and dumb, and I'm not getting something here -- what does it mean to have a game put out more FPS than the screen's refresh rate?

To use the full potential of the monitor.

A very broad overview is that if the FPS is lower than the refresh rate the most it can display are the FPS being rendered. If your setup can push out more frames than the refresh rate though, then your monitor can perform up to its max refresh rate.

I like to try and get as close to my refresh rate as possible. I'm on a 144hz monitor though, so on the rare game that my CPU/GPU can push more than 144hz I try not to overshoot too much - I'd increase my detail settings until I get right down to around 144FPS.

Thanks.  That's what I would have thought - more than the refresh rate is just a space heater, more or less.  It struck me in the ad article that they were bragging about putting like 500 frames in when they could only ever get 144 out.


I think there's some small competitive advantage for esports players, but won't really matter to you and me and normal mortals. Basically, if it mattered to you you'd probably already know the answer.

If you're driving a LOT of frames more than your monitor could display anyway it's a waste, but getting up to the amount to max out your refresh rate isn't a bad thing. Generally speaking, it's good to be able to drive slightly more FPS as your monitor can refresh, for the smoothest experience. Having variable refresh rate tech like Freesync or Gsync in your monitor can also help with tearing and such too.
 
pehvbot [TotalFark]
2023-02-08 3:40:18 PM  

Rage Against the Thorazine: This is one thing I never understood about PC manufacturers. Why the fark do they put stickers all over laptops? Stop. No one wants it. It looks like shiat. You wouldn't sell a car this way why would they think people would want stickers on their laptop much less a $5000 one?

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5 grand would have gotten you this sticker!
 
phedex
2023-02-08 3:41:30 PM  

deadsanta: I had a boss Alienware system once, until the day I opened the screen and the hinges just snapped off, which depowers the screen forever.  It was over two years old so now I have a $2500 doorstop.

Bought a cheap Lenovo at Best Buy for around $900 after that, it's been going two years with no problems, even if it explodes at 36 months, was still a better purchase.


Chiming in here that my asus vivobook has been going for 4 years.  it was...less than 600? lightweight, SSD, and added RAM to put it at 16gb.  it's been absolutely fine, obviously not for all things gaming but the light weight was a huge selling point.

Did replace the battery though, and I doubt by the time it dies I'd be able to find another battery as it was somewhat challenging to find one already.
 
Meltro [OhFark]
2023-02-08 3:56:29 PM  
I have more than once been tempted by MSI, to the point where I actually purchased them. Both of them ran way too hot, and short of using them inside of a walk-in freezer they would go thermal under heavy load.

This thing would probably burn a hole in a table.
 
Rage Against the Thorazine [TotalFark]
2023-02-08 4:05:59 PM  

dyhchong: Rage Against the Thorazine: mongbiohazard: Sliding Carp: I'm old and dumb, and I'm not getting something here -- what does it mean to have a game put out more FPS than the screen's refresh rate?

To use the full potential of the monitor.

A very broad overview is that if the FPS is lower than the refresh rate the most it can display are the FPS being rendered. If your setup can push out more frames than the refresh rate though, then your monitor can perform up to its max refresh rate.

I like to try and get as close to my refresh rate as possible. I'm on a 144hz monitor though, so on the rare game that my CPU/GPU can push more than 144hz I try not to overshoot too much - I'd increase my detail settings until I get right down to around 144FPS.

144hz refresh = 72 max fps

Huh? How do you figure that?


What the hell am I doing? I'm thinking of something else. Ignore me lol. I caught the rona recently and I'm still all wonky. I was vaccinated so it wasn't that bad overall but my sinuses are still like really inflamed and it's making me all fuzzy headed. I'm just going to shut up now.
 
Ivo Shandor [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-02-08 4:18:19 PM  

Rage Against the Thorazine: dyhchong: Rage Against the Thorazine: mongbiohazard: Sliding Carp: I'm old and dumb, and I'm not getting something here -- what does it mean to have a game put out more FPS than the screen's refresh rate?

To use the full potential of the monitor.

A very broad overview is that if the FPS is lower than the refresh rate the most it can display are the FPS being rendered. If your setup can push out more frames than the refresh rate though, then your monitor can perform up to its max refresh rate.

I like to try and get as close to my refresh rate as possible. I'm on a 144hz monitor though, so on the rare game that my CPU/GPU can push more than 144hz I try not to overshoot too much - I'd increase my detail settings until I get right down to around 144FPS.

144hz refresh = 72 max fps

Huh? How do you figure that?

What the hell am I doing? I'm thinking of something else. Ignore me lol. I caught the rona recently and I'm still all wonky. I was vaccinated so it wasn't that bad overall but my sinuses are still like really inflamed and it's making me all fuzzy headed. I'm just going to shut up now.


That was a thing in the days of CRT televisions or monitors displaying an interlaced signal. It took two screen updates before you saw the whole frame.
 
mongbiohazard [BareFark]
2023-02-08 4:18:27 PM  

Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion: Rage Against the Thorazine: This is one thing I never understood about PC manufacturers. Why the fark do they put stickers all over laptops? Stop. No one wants it. It looks like shiat. You wouldn't sell a car this way why would they think people would want stickers on their laptop much less a $5000 one?

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What? Every car ever is covered with logos, makes, models, and equipment lists. They all say "4x4", "Hemi", "Fuel Injected", "DOHC", "SHO", etc. Even the dealers put dealer stickers all over them.


At least the laptop stickers can generally just be peeled right off. The ones on cars aren't usually quite so disposable.
 
isamudyson [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-02-08 4:41:02 PM  
It doesn't even have an actual 4090 in it:

Wait, How Much Slower!? - RTX 4090 Desktop vs RTX 4090 Laptop
Youtube yx8H0936YdY
 
dyhchong
2023-02-08 4:46:43 PM  

isamudyson: It doesn't even have an actual 4090 in it:

[Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/yx8H0936YdY]


Yep, mobile RTX 4090 is basically a half frequency desktop RTX 4080, which has about 60% of the hardware of a desktop RTX 4090

So should get roughly half the performance of an actual 4080, or like 30% a desktop 4090.

I haven't watched the video, but I'm expecting it would get like 50% of a desktop 4090 because a desktop 4090 is more likely to bottleneck other hardware like the CPU and not actually hit its full performance.
 
isamudyson [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-02-08 5:26:29 PM  

dyhchong: isamudyson: It doesn't even have an actual 4090 in it:

[Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/yx8H0936YdY]

Yep, mobile RTX 4090 is basically a half frequency desktop RTX 4080, which has about 60% of the hardware of a desktop RTX 4090

So should get roughly half the performance of an actual 4080, or like 30% a desktop 4090.

I haven't watched the video, but I'm expecting it would get like 50% of a desktop 4090 because a desktop 4090 is more likely to bottleneck other hardware like the CPU and not actually hit its full performance.


You pretty much nailed it as at lower resolutions, they can be a bit close due to the CPU being the limiting factor. But as the resolution scales up the gap between the desktop 4090 & the laptop "4090" can get quite large. 

If anyone starts bragging their laptop has a 4090, they should get this reply:

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Abe Vigoda's Ghost
2023-02-08 5:33:10 PM  
For crissakes, just build a desktop machine and be done with it.
 
AgentKGB [TotalFark]
2023-02-08 5:39:26 PM  

Rage Against the Thorazine: This is one thing I never understood about PC manufacturers. Why the fark do they put stickers all over laptops? Stop. No one wants it. It looks like shiat. You wouldn't sell a car this way why would they think people would want stickers on their laptop much less a $5000 one?

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That's why you always put your own stickers on it from plot-heavy anime.

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//Eiken
///Divergence Eve, etc
 
spesimen
2023-02-08 5:50:05 PM  

dyhchong: The Core i9-13980HX is the most powerful CPU Intel has ever made, and it earns its stripes here.

Pretty sure it's not, the 60 full fat core, 120 thread Xeon Platinum 8490H would crush that pissy i9 in multi-thread and total performance, and if they're meaning single thread, the i9-13900K with its 5.8GHz turbo on the same architecture would win in single thread.


i think they meant the most powerful mobile/laptop CPU, this was clarified in another sentence later
 
AgentKGB [TotalFark]
2023-02-08 6:03:25 PM  
Meanwhile at Cooler Master:

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No it's not a Kardashian buttplug. It's a CPU cooler.
 
isamudyson [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-02-08 6:08:08 PM  

AgentKGB: Rage Against the Thorazine: This is one thing I never understood about PC manufacturers. Why the fark do they put stickers all over laptops? Stop. No one wants it. It looks like shiat. You wouldn't sell a car this way why would they think people would want stickers on their laptop much less a $5000 one?

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That's why you always put your own stickers on it from plot-heavy anime.

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/Maoyuu Maou Yuusha
//Eiken
///Divergence Eve, etc


I almost posted a pic of my Yeston GPU but then realized it really didn't apply here. But, if I could safely skin my G14 without worrying about the finish, I would do an Ah, my Goddesstheme for it. The "old" lappy with the 1660ti in it would either get a Urusei Yatsura or Gundam one.
 
dyhchong
2023-02-08 6:12:04 PM  

spesimen: dyhchong: The Core i9-13980HX is the most powerful CPU Intel has ever made, and it earns its stripes here.

Pretty sure it's not, the 60 full fat core, 120 thread Xeon Platinum 8490H would crush that pissy i9 in multi-thread and total performance, and if they're meaning single thread, the i9-13900K with its 5.8GHz turbo on the same architecture would win in single thread.

i think they meant the most powerful mobile/laptop CPU, this was clarified in another sentence later


Then they're bad at the old words. You'd think a writer would understand that words have meaning, especially the omission or inclusion of them.

For example: I'm the smartest person in the world.


doo de doo de doo


doo de doo de doo


doo de doo de doo

I'm the smartest person in the world that's sitting in my chair in my room.
 
Daedalus27
2023-02-08 6:16:12 PM  
So are they saying it can run Crysis on medium?
 
SatanReport
2023-02-08 8:25:19 PM  
what are all you slaves gonna do when the carrignton event happens again?

you wont know what to do with yourself
 
isamudyson [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-02-08 10:14:27 PM  

SatanReport: what are all you slaves gonna do when the carrignton event happens again?

you wont know what to do with yourself


Put together a PC out of the spare parts I have laying around?
 
fragMasterFlash [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-02-09 9:28:04 AM  
The battery life, while not what I would call "good," was better than I expected it to be.

If race to idle is a new concept to you then reviewing laptops is simply not in your wheelhouse. Modern machines only power up x86 cores for a small fraction of the display refresh period during productivity workloads, meaning the power hungry bits are off 90 percent of the time in such scenarios while a tiny microcontroller listens for mouse/touch, keyboard and network activity. The NVIDIA GPU in this machine likely on powers up when an application is running that can benefit enough to merit its power consumption, and likely not at all when running on battery power.
 
daveb0rg [TotalFark]
2023-02-09 7:59:29 PM  
Is it really a gaming machine?  They didn't even bench test fortnite on it.
 
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