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edmo [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-02-08 2:14:51 PM  
The pilot has his Commercial Single Engine and Multi Engine Land certificate, Certified Flight Instructor certificate, and about 250 hours of flight time on the same make and model of the plane.

There is much wrong here.

It will only cost about $25K to replace the parachute.
 
Ivo Shandor [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-02-08 2:19:48 PM  
Primary Problem: Human Factors

What's the aviation equivalent of "PEBKAC"?
 
Somaticasual [TotalFark]
2023-02-08 2:36:52 PM  
"Again, this student had flown this make and model multiple times before."

<chuckle> Snarky....
 
DarkSoulNoHope
2023-02-08 2:39:13 PM  

Ivo Shandor: Primary Problem: Human Factors

What's the aviation equivalent of "PEBKAC"?


PEBYAS - "Problem Exists Between Yoke and Seat"
 
studebaker hoch
2023-02-08 2:42:21 PM  
At least he wasn't a fighter jet pilot trying to adjust the seat position.
 
LurkerSupreme [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-02-08 2:46:52 PM  
Assuming that a lever you are admittedly unfamiliar with "has to be" the lever that does what you are trying to do is a really bad habit for a pilot.
 
Charlie Freak [OhFark]
2023-02-08 2:46:53 PM  
The reporter was saying same make and model, but since a 172 isn't usually fitted with a BRS system, I'm assuming he didn't have much experience with this particular aircraft, outfitted as such. I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that, barring any evidence that he did have training and briefing on the BRS, this is going to fall a little on whoever gave him the checkout or whatever continuing instruction he was receiving in this particular plane.
 
Charlie Freak [OhFark]
2023-02-08 2:48:12 PM  
Also, if there are two people involved in an ASRS, there is usually a second report filed from the other person. Would be curious to read that account.
 
Charlie Freak [OhFark]
2023-02-08 2:52:33 PM  

LurkerSupreme: Assuming that a lever you are admittedly unfamiliar with "has to be" the lever that does what you are trying to do is a really bad habit for a pilot.


I'm gonna reserve judgment until I see where the BRS handle was located and how it was installed. If somebody mounted it in such a way that it looked and felt like the p-brake handle, near the same spot, it becomes a little more of a design/human factor. And, again, the training/briefing aspect.
 
studebaker hoch
2023-02-08 2:52:54 PM  

Charlie Freak: The reporter was saying same make and model, but since a 172 isn't usually fitted with a BRS system, I'm assuming he didn't have much experience with this particular aircraft, outfitted as such. I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that, barring any evidence that he did have training and briefing on the BRS, this is going to fall a little on whoever gave him the checkout or whatever continuing instruction he was receiving in this particular plane.


Really surprising the student didn't know.

I used to fly ultralights with BRS parachutes, and was told what that red handle did on the very first flight.  There's always the chance the instructor might become unable to fly for whatever reason, and at that point the student hasn't yet learned how to land, so they need to know straight away how to survive such an event.
 
Charlie Freak [OhFark]
2023-02-08 2:54:22 PM  

studebaker hoch: Charlie Freak: The reporter was saying same make and model, but since a 172 isn't usually fitted with a BRS system, I'm assuming he didn't have much experience with this particular aircraft, outfitted as such. I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that, barring any evidence that he did have training and briefing on the BRS, this is going to fall a little on whoever gave him the checkout or whatever continuing instruction he was receiving in this particular plane.

Really surprising the student didn't know.

I used to fly ultralights with BRS parachutes, and was told what that red handle did on the very first flight.  There's always the chance the instructor might become unable to fly for whatever reason, and at that point the student hasn't yet learned how to land, so they need to know straight away how to survive such an event.


Completely. That's the instructor's job. "Hey, I know you've got a couple hundred hours in these, but this plane is equipped a little differently than 99% of the others."
 
Claude Ballse
2023-02-08 2:56:55 PM  
An aircraft was not at all what I was expecting.

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Ivo Shandor [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-02-08 2:57:41 PM  

Charlie Freak: LurkerSupreme: Assuming that a lever you are admittedly unfamiliar with "has to be" the lever that does what you are trying to do is a really bad habit for a pilot.

I'm gonna reserve judgment until I see where the BRS handle was located and how it was installed. If somebody mounted it in such a way that it looked and felt like the p-brake handle, near the same spot, it becomes a little more of a design/human factor. And, again, the training/briefing aspect.


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DarkSoulNoHope
2023-02-08 2:59:12 PM  

studebaker hoch: At least he wasn't a fighter jet pilot trying to adjust the seat position.


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wxboy
2023-02-08 3:01:36 PM  

Charlie Freak: The reporter was saying same make and model, but since a 172 isn't usually fitted with a BRS system, I'm assuming he didn't have much experience with this particular aircraft, outfitted as such. I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that, barring any evidence that he did have training and briefing on the BRS, this is going to fall a little on whoever gave him the checkout or whatever continuing instruction he was receiving in this particular plane.


Even if he was unfamiliar with a BRS system, I would naturally assume the parking brake handle is in the same place and exists in all the planes he's flown. So unless a BRS installation moves that to a less-obvious position, there's still no excuse.
 
hammettman
2023-02-08 3:05:21 PM  
Not a pilot, but from the comments, this parachute is something one would use if the pilot becomes incapacitated and can't land the plane?

A parachute that floats the whole plane down "softly" enough to survive?
 
nytmare
2023-02-08 3:07:20 PM  
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MelGoesOnTour
2023-02-08 3:07:36 PM  

wxboy: Charlie Freak: The reporter was saying same make and model, but since a 172 isn't usually fitted with a BRS system, I'm assuming he didn't have much experience with this particular aircraft, outfitted as such. I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that, barring any evidence that he did have training and briefing on the BRS, this is going to fall a little on whoever gave him the checkout or whatever continuing instruction he was receiving in this particular plane.

Even if he was unfamiliar with a BRS system, I would naturally assume the parking brake handle is in the same place and exists in all the planes he's flown. So unless a BRS installation moves that to a less-obvious position, there's still no excuse.


FWiW, there isn't a lot of room in those cockpits so my guess is that it was placed near the p-brake and maybe even had the same sort of handle. TFA doesn't give much on detail, though.
 
Charlie Freak [OhFark]
2023-02-08 3:10:11 PM  

wxboy: Charlie Freak: The reporter was saying same make and model, but since a 172 isn't usually fitted with a BRS system, I'm assuming he didn't have much experience with this particular aircraft, outfitted as such. I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that, barring any evidence that he did have training and briefing on the BRS, this is going to fall a little on whoever gave him the checkout or whatever continuing instruction he was receiving in this particular plane.

Even if he was unfamiliar with a BRS system, I would naturally assume the parking brake handle is in the same place and exists in all the planes he's flown. So unless a BRS installation moves that to a less-obvious position, there's still no excuse.


This is what I'm seeing from a GIS.

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Yeeeah. If the install is like that, the person shouldn't assume that's the brake. Is it possible this is a pilot who never used the shiatty Cessna parking brakes? There are such types out there that only use toe brakes when in use and chocks or tie-downs when parked.
 
indy_kid
2023-02-08 3:11:01 PM  

Charlie Freak: The reporter was saying same make and model, but since a 172 isn't usually fitted with a BRS system, I'm assuming he didn't have much experience with this particular aircraft, outfitted as such. I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that, barring any evidence that he did have training and briefing on the BRS, this is going to fall a little on whoever gave him the checkout or whatever continuing instruction he was receiving in this particular plane.


The person in question had 250 hours in the 172.  They might not all be outfitted the same (I'm assuming that parachute would take up quite a bit of space in the cabin, since it needs to be positioned over the strongest part of the plane), but if you're unfamiliar with something, ASK.  This person is a damn FLIGHT INSTRUCTOR, so should know better than to just start grabbing shiat in the cockpit.

I would assume that the parking brake is in the same spot for all 172.  It would have been installed at the factory, with little reason to move it elsewhere.

This person needs to go through re-certification at all levels.
 
Charlie Freak [OhFark]
2023-02-08 3:14:45 PM  

indy_kid: Charlie Freak: The reporter was saying same make and model, but since a 172 isn't usually fitted with a BRS system, I'm assuming he didn't have much experience with this particular aircraft, outfitted as such. I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that, barring any evidence that he did have training and briefing on the BRS, this is going to fall a little on whoever gave him the checkout or whatever continuing instruction he was receiving in this particular plane.

The person in question had 250 hours in the 172.  They might not all be outfitted the same (I'm assuming that parachute would take up quite a bit of space in the cabin, since it needs to be positioned over the strongest part of the plane), but if you're unfamiliar with something, ASK.  This person is a damn FLIGHT INSTRUCTOR, so should know better than to just start grabbing shiat in the cockpit.

I would assume that the parking brake is in the same spot for all 172.  It would have been installed at the factory, with little reason to move it elsewhere.

This person needs to go through re-certification at all levels.


If the BRS pic I posted is similar to the installation in the accident aircraft, then yeah, there's not much for him to stand on.
 
JetMech
2023-02-08 3:20:16 PM  

Charlie Freak: wxboy: Charlie Freak: The reporter was saying same make and model, but since a 172 isn't usually fitted with a BRS system, I'm assuming he didn't have much experience with this particular aircraft, outfitted as such. I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that, barring any evidence that he did have training and briefing on the BRS, this is going to fall a little on whoever gave him the checkout or whatever continuing instruction he was receiving in this particular plane.

Even if he was unfamiliar with a BRS system, I would naturally assume the parking brake handle is in the same place and exists in all the planes he's flown. So unless a BRS installation moves that to a less-obvious position, there's still no excuse.

This is what I'm seeing from a GIS.

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Yeeeah. If the install is like that, the person shouldn't assume that's the brake. Is it possible this is a pilot who never used the shiatty Cessna parking brakes? There are such types out there that only use toe brakes when in use and chocks or tie-downs when parked.


I would think somewhere in the postflight checklist there would be a "Install Safety Pin in the BRS Handle" like the one in the image you posted.
 
chitownmike
2023-02-08 3:22:20 PM  
In the guy's defence, just like here in Chicago, Florida is incredibly flat so there is rarely a need for a parking brake. I can understand why he'd be unfamiliar.
 
MythDragon [TotalFark]
2023-02-08 3:25:45 PM  

studebaker hoch: At least he wasn't a fighter jet pilot trying to adjust the seat position.


They do adjust upwards.
 
labman [TotalFark]
2023-02-08 3:42:35 PM  

chitownmike: In the guy's defence, just like here in Chicago, Florida is incredibly flat so there is rarely a need for a parking brake. I can understand why he'd be unfamiliar.


I think most airports in general are pretty flat.  It would be a lot more interesting if the runways had rolling hills on them, though...
 
khatores
2023-02-08 3:44:30 PM  

Charlie Freak: The reporter was saying same make and model, but since a 172 isn't usually fitted with a BRS system, I'm assuming he didn't have much experience with this particular aircraft, outfitted as such. I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that, barring any evidence that he did have training and briefing on the BRS, this is going to fall a little on whoever gave him the checkout or whatever continuing instruction he was receiving in this particular plane.


A lot of people in the comments said the same thing.  Meh.  The guy is an idiot, plain and simple.

The pilot has his Commercial Single Engine and Multi Engine Land certificate, Certified Flight Instructor certificate, and about 250 hours of flight time on the same make and model of the plane.

This guy has been around GA planes for a long time. He's done a lot of flight training.  He should know where the farking parking brake is.  If he sees some kind of new, strange-looking lever he should ask, "Excuse me but what is this?  I don't think I've seen this before."

I don't want to be an asshole or anything, but the first time I got to fly in a Cirrus, I saw the BRS on the ceiling, in the middle, sort of to the back and said, "Hey, is that the parachute system? I've heard about those!" and the CFI proceeded to explain it. It's fairly obvious and intuitive. Really difficult to mistake for anything else.

Someone who has all this training and is this big into GA should have been in a Cirrus at least once. They're well-known for the BRS systems and it should more or less look similar to a retrofit in a 172.

Moreover, just being around planes, talking to people, frequenting training materials online and whatever...you had to have encountered this before. You see all kinds of modifications for aircraft...radios, new avionics systems, floats, cold weather equipment, etc.

This is just un-farking believable.
 
khatores
2023-02-08 3:47:00 PM  

Charlie Freak: wxboy: Charlie Freak: The reporter was saying same make and model, but since a 172 isn't usually fitted with a BRS system, I'm assuming he didn't have much experience with this particular aircraft, outfitted as such. I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that, barring any evidence that he did have training and briefing on the BRS, this is going to fall a little on whoever gave him the checkout or whatever continuing instruction he was receiving in this particular plane.

Even if he was unfamiliar with a BRS system, I would naturally assume the parking brake handle is in the same place and exists in all the planes he's flown. So unless a BRS installation moves that to a less-obvious position, there's still no excuse.

This is what I'm seeing from a GIS.

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Yeeeah. If the install is like that, the person shouldn't assume that's the brake. Is it possible this is a pilot who never used the shiatty Cessna parking brakes? There are such types out there that only use toe brakes when in use and chocks or tie-downs when parked.


Moreover, that black cover actually goes over it.  So he would have to remove that cover first to get to the lever.

I haven't seen one like that (it looks like it's in the floor), but the Cirrus has it mounted on the ceiling. There's a cover over the lever, so you have to open the cover first before you pull the lever.  You know, like you're firing a missile or something...or a rocket.
 
Charlie Freak [OhFark]
2023-02-08 3:48:04 PM  

khatores: Charlie Freak: wxboy: Charlie Freak: The reporter was saying same make and model, but since a 172 isn't usually fitted with a BRS system, I'm assuming he didn't have much experience with this particular aircraft, outfitted as such. I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that, barring any evidence that he did have training and briefing on the BRS, this is going to fall a little on whoever gave him the checkout or whatever continuing instruction he was receiving in this particular plane.

Even if he was unfamiliar with a BRS system, I would naturally assume the parking brake handle is in the same place and exists in all the planes he's flown. So unless a BRS installation moves that to a less-obvious position, there's still no excuse.

This is what I'm seeing from a GIS.

[Fark user image 425x283]

Yeeeah. If the install is like that, the person shouldn't assume that's the brake. Is it possible this is a pilot who never used the shiatty Cessna parking brakes? There are such types out there that only use toe brakes when in use and chocks or tie-downs when parked.

Moreover, that black cover actually goes over it.  So he would have to remove that cover first to get to the lever.

I haven't seen one like that (it looks like it's in the floor), but the Cirrus has it mounted on the ceiling. There's a cover over the lever, so you have to open the cover first before you pull the lever.  You know, like you're firing a missile or something...or a rocket.


That's why I said I'd reserve judgment until I saw a pic of the thing. After seeing that, provided it's similar to the one installed, yeah, there's no excuse.
 
covfefe [TotalFark]
2023-02-08 3:51:01 PM  

MythDragon: studebaker hoch: At least he wasn't a fighter jet pilot trying to adjust the seat position.

They do adjust upwards.


And downwards too
 
I hereby demand that I be given a Fark account [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-02-08 3:55:38 PM  

chitownmike: In the guy's defence, just like here in Chicago, Florida is incredibly flat so there is rarely a need for a parking brake. I can understand why he'd be unfamiliar.


In a plane, you ALWAYS use the parking brake, then you get out and chock the wheels as well, indeed, not using the parking brake and then getting out to not chock the wheels can result in entertaining failures. It may be flat in Chicago and Florida but it's also windy, and wind will happily move a plane.
 
Ivo Shandor [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-02-08 4:06:09 PM  

khatores: Charlie Freak: wxboy: Charlie Freak: The reporter was saying same make and model, but since a 172 isn't usually fitted with a BRS system, I'm assuming he didn't have much experience with this particular aircraft, outfitted as such. I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that, barring any evidence that he did have training and briefing on the BRS, this is going to fall a little on whoever gave him the checkout or whatever continuing instruction he was receiving in this particular plane.

Even if he was unfamiliar with a BRS system, I would naturally assume the parking brake handle is in the same place and exists in all the planes he's flown. So unless a BRS installation moves that to a less-obvious position, there's still no excuse.

This is what I'm seeing from a GIS.

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Yeeeah. If the install is like that, the person shouldn't assume that's the brake. Is it possible this is a pilot who never used the shiatty Cessna parking brakes? There are such types out there that only use toe brakes when in use and chocks or tie-downs when parked.

Moreover, that black cover actually goes over it.  So he would have to remove that cover first to get to the lever.

I haven't seen one like that (it looks like it's in the floor), but the Cirrus has it mounted on the ceiling. There's a cover over the lever, so you have to open the cover first before you pull the lever.  You know, like you're firing a missile or something...or a rocket.


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poorjon
2023-02-08 4:23:41 PM  
I hit random buttons all the time, and so far I'm
 
Charlie Freak [OhFark]
2023-02-08 4:37:33 PM  

I hereby demand that I be given a Fark account: chitownmike: In the guy's defence, just like here in Chicago, Florida is incredibly flat so there is rarely a need for a parking brake. I can understand why he'd be unfamiliar.

In a plane, you ALWAYS use the parking brake, then you get out and chock the wheels as well, indeed, not using the parking brake and then getting out to not chock the wheels can result in entertaining failures. It may be flat in Chicago and Florida but it's also windy, and wind will happily move a plane.


You can try, but ask most light Cessna pilots and they'll tell you the parking brake is next to useless. Maybe use it to hold it on an incline until you get the chocks in.

That doesn't stop me from using it when called for, but I'm also on the toe brakes at the same time because I don't trust it.
 
sdd2000
2023-02-08 4:46:39 PM  

Charlie Freak: I hereby demand that I be given a Fark account: chitownmike: In the guy's defence, just like here in Chicago, Florida is incredibly flat so there is rarely a need for a parking brake. I can understand why he'd be unfamiliar.

In a plane, you ALWAYS use the parking brake, then you get out and chock the wheels as well, indeed, not using the parking brake and then getting out to not chock the wheels can result in entertaining failures. It may be flat in Chicago and Florida but it's also windy, and wind will happily move a plane.

You can try, but ask most light Cessna pilots and they'll tell you the parking brake is next to useless. Maybe use it to hold it on an incline until you get the chocks in.

That doesn't stop me from using it when called for, but I'm also on the toe brakes at the same time because I don't trust it.


Also anyone who is in areas with the possibility of freezing rain/slush getting into the brakes (especially if there are wheel pants on the plane) is taught to use the parking brakes as little as possible as the Cessnas have a very bad habit of freezing the parking brake leaving you with locked wheels.
 
MountainClimber
2023-02-08 4:46:50 PM  
Oh, The red button there kid, Don't ever, ever touch the red button
 
Gyrfalcon [TotalFark]
2023-02-08 4:54:14 PM  

MelGoesOnTour: wxboy: Charlie Freak: The reporter was saying same make and model, but since a 172 isn't usually fitted with a BRS system, I'm assuming he didn't have much experience with this particular aircraft, outfitted as such. I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that, barring any evidence that he did have training and briefing on the BRS, this is going to fall a little on whoever gave him the checkout or whatever continuing instruction he was receiving in this particular plane.

Even if he was unfamiliar with a BRS system, I would naturally assume the parking brake handle is in the same place and exists in all the planes he's flown. So unless a BRS installation moves that to a less-obvious position, there's still no excuse.

FWiW, there isn't a lot of room in those cockpits so my guess is that it was placed near the p-brake and maybe even had the same sort of handle. TFA doesn't give much on detail, though.


Um.

It's also worth saying that the handle for the BRS system is guarded and in RED color.
After I interviewed the student why he pulled that handle he responded that he didn't know what it was, so he assumed that it had to be the parking brake.

So, no. It was the red handle he didn't know what it was for. So he pulled it.
 
one of Ripley's Bad Guys
2023-02-08 4:54:52 PM  
Charlie Freak: ...Is it possible this is a pilot who never used the shiatty Cessna parking brakes? There are such types out there that only use toe brakes when in use and chocks or tie-downs when parked...

*raises hand*

FI told me that the parking brakes were "worthless" and nobody used them - chock or tie down, or both.
 
encephlavator
2023-02-08 5:28:08 PM  

Charlie Freak: wxboy: Charlie Freak: The reporter was saying same make and model, but since a 172 isn't usually fitted with a BRS system, I'm assuming he didn't have much experience with this particular aircraft, outfitted as such. I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that, barring any evidence that he did have training and briefing on the BRS, this is going to fall a little on whoever gave him the checkout or whatever continuing instruction he was receiving in this particular plane.

Even if he was unfamiliar with a BRS system, I would naturally assume the parking brake handle is in the same place and exists in all the planes he's flown. So unless a BRS installation moves that to a less-obvious position, there's still no excuse.

This is what I'm seeing from a GIS.

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Yeeeah. If the install is like that, the person shouldn't assume that's the brake. Is it possible this is a pilot who never used the shiatty Cessna parking brakes? There are such types out there that only use toe brakes when in use and chocks or tie-downs when parked.


The ones I've seen have been overhead. I used to practice regularly, if something went horribly wrong,--- hit engine kill switch> quickly reach up to chute handle. I could do it in 1 second maybe 2.

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Madman drummers bummers [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-02-08 5:42:47 PM  
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jtown
2023-02-08 5:50:40 PM  
After I interviewed the student why he pulled that handle he responded that he didn't know what it was, so he assumed that it had to be the parking brake.

Everyone knows what happens when you assume.

These are a couple of the few images I could find for Cessna 172 BRS with and without the cover in place.  I don't know if you remove the tag and put the cover back on for flight or if it's just raw-dogging it until parked.

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MelGoesOnTour
2023-02-08 6:05:28 PM  

Gyrfalcon: MelGoesOnTour: wxboy: Charlie Freak: The reporter was saying same make and model, but since a 172 isn't usually fitted with a BRS system, I'm assuming he didn't have much experience with this particular aircraft, outfitted as such. I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that, barring any evidence that he did have training and briefing on the BRS, this is going to fall a little on whoever gave him the checkout or whatever continuing instruction he was receiving in this particular plane.

Even if he was unfamiliar with a BRS system, I would naturally assume the parking brake handle is in the same place and exists in all the planes he's flown. So unless a BRS installation moves that to a less-obvious position, there's still no excuse.

FWiW, there isn't a lot of room in those cockpits so my guess is that it was placed near the p-brake and maybe even had the same sort of handle. TFA doesn't give much on detail, though.

Um.

It's also worth saying that the handle for the BRS system is guarded and in RED color.
After I interviewed the student why he pulled that handle he responded that he didn't know what it was, so he assumed that it had to be the parking brake.

So, no. It was the red handle he didn't know what it was for. So he pulled it.


That's true, I didn't give that part much thought.

Also, in retrospect, at first I thought it reasonable that he simply made a mistake not out of cluelessness...but now after thinking about it more I realized the handle more likely would have been above. That is, I can't imagine someone installing it near something that was similar in appearence though I guess it *could* happen.

Back when I was an ATC'er in the Army, I do recall that certain mechanisms, in order to have a fail-safe, required more than one step to deploy.

But if the guy had 250+ hours under his belt, well, I still wonder if we're not getting the whole picture. I mean, 250 hours is a LOT...unless the guy was stupid and had rich parents paying for his endless hours of instruction.
 
Mr. Eugenides [BareFark]
2023-02-08 6:13:58 PM  

hammettman: Not a pilot, but from the comments, this parachute is something one would use if the pilot becomes incapacitated and can't land the plane?

A parachute that floats the whole plane down "softly" enough to survive?


Yes.

Cirrus Airframe Parachute System (CAPS) In Action
Youtube gBCUQlF3MMU
 
Baloo Uriza
2023-02-08 6:32:23 PM  

Ivo Shandor: Primary Problem: Human Factors

What's the aviation equivalent of "PEBKAC"?


Human factors.
 
Geralt
2023-02-08 6:32:30 PM  
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Image taken inside the cockpit moments before the parachute was accidentally deployed.
 
Baloo Uriza
2023-02-08 7:00:11 PM  

studebaker hoch: There's always the chance the instructor might become unable to fly for whatever reason, and at that point the student hasn't yet learned how to land, so they need to know straight away how to survive such an event.


In this situation it's probably safer and cheaper to talk the student to the ground.  And there's at least one youtube video following a very new student that barely had "making a coordinated turn" down declare a mayday because their flight instructor passed out mid-lesson.  They circled and circled and circled just practicing the pattern getting lower and lower over the runway until the student was ready to actually try touching the ground.

Also this wasn't even the flight I was thinking of or looking for, but it's also that exact same situation, so it's not like it's an unheard-of situation.

Student Pilot MAKES EMERGENCY LANDING | Instructor Passed Out!
Youtube vnWfgHAdajo
 
Baloo Uriza
2023-02-08 7:01:32 PM  

wxboy: Charlie Freak: The reporter was saying same make and model, but since a 172 isn't usually fitted with a BRS system, I'm assuming he didn't have much experience with this particular aircraft, outfitted as such. I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that, barring any evidence that he did have training and briefing on the BRS, this is going to fall a little on whoever gave him the checkout or whatever continuing instruction he was receiving in this particular plane.

Even if he was unfamiliar with a BRS system, I would naturally assume the parking brake handle is in the same place and exists in all the planes he's flown. So unless a BRS installation moves that to a less-obvious position, there's still no excuse.


On small aircraft the parking brake is almost in the exact same location and works the same way as on a '78 Datsun King Cab pickup.
 
Baloo Uriza
2023-02-08 7:02:48 PM  

MelGoesOnTour: wxboy: Charlie Freak: The reporter was saying same make and model, but since a 172 isn't usually fitted with a BRS system, I'm assuming he didn't have much experience with this particular aircraft, outfitted as such. I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that, barring any evidence that he did have training and briefing on the BRS, this is going to fall a little on whoever gave him the checkout or whatever continuing instruction he was receiving in this particular plane.

Even if he was unfamiliar with a BRS system, I would naturally assume the parking brake handle is in the same place and exists in all the planes he's flown. So unless a BRS installation moves that to a less-obvious position, there's still no excuse.

FWiW, there isn't a lot of room in those cockpits so my guess is that it was placed near the p-brake and maybe even had the same sort of handle. TFA doesn't give much on detail, though.


I don't spend a ton of time in GA planes but, when so equipped, it's red and on the ceiling, you really have to go out of your way to pull it.
 
Baloo Uriza
2023-02-08 7:04:19 PM  

indy_kid: The person in question had 250 hours in the 172.  They might not all be outfitted the same (I'm assuming that parachute would take up quite a bit of space in the cabin, since it needs to be positioned over the strongest part of the plane), but if you're unfamiliar with something, ASK.  This person is a damn FLIGHT INSTRUCTOR, so should know better than to just start grabbing shiat in the cockpit.


No, the instructor had 250 hours in the 172, and was outside the plane pushing it/looking for a chock.  The student pulled the big red switch.
 
Baloo Uriza
2023-02-08 7:05:32 PM  

labman: It would be a lot more interesting if the runways had rolling hills on them, though...


Tulsa Riverside has a hillcrest in it...you can't see the far end of the runway when you line up.
 
Baloo Uriza
2023-02-08 7:08:12 PM  

Ivo Shandor: I miss ThinkGeek


It's still around but whoever ended up with Andover.net spun off ThinkGeek, which immediately sold out to GameStop and they started opening brick-and-mortar locations.  Which is why TG is basically "GameStop without any of the games", as opposed to "Sharper Image, but for furries" as it started as.
 
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