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Original [TotalFark]
2023-02-08 8:10:39 AM  
Original Tweet:
 
NeoCortex42 [TotalFark]
2023-02-08 9:22:26 AM  
Networks and streamers don't just make a decision not to pick something up, and then not tell anyone.

It's WB/Discovery you're dealing with now.  They absolutely would do that.
 
physt [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-02-08 10:06:10 AM  
Yes, lots of successful reboots got their start with Patreons.
 
Kornchex [TotalFark]
2023-02-08 10:06:28 AM  
His posts are about the only thing I miss about Twitter.
 
Zombie DJ
2023-02-08 10:28:31 AM  
I want this and I don't want this.
I loved Babylon 5. Ivanova's voice over in that last episode tears me up every-time and the G'kar / Molari chemistry could never be matched, but I also loved the U.N in space story.
 
ChopperCharles
2023-02-08 10:41:29 AM  
Why a reboot of babylon 5? Why not a Babylon 6? Or 11? Or find out what happened to 4 in detail. Don't just rehash the old, make a new story.
 
devine
2023-02-08 10:47:34 AM  
Is there a non-shiatsmear link what is going on?
 
NeoCortex42 [TotalFark]
2023-02-08 10:47:48 AM  

ChopperCharles: Why a reboot of babylon 5? Why not a Babylon 6? Or 11? Or find out what happened to 4 in detail. Don't just rehash the old, make a new story.


I think JMS has said it's not really going to be a straight-up remake.  That story's been told and those characters aren't going to be improved upon.  It seems like he's looking more at a BSG model where beyond the basic premise and a few names, it's a completely different show.

I'm curious and would like to see it because JMS, but I'm hesitant to get my hopes up on quality because CW.
 
devine
2023-02-08 11:01:04 AM  
I found this.

https://www.patreon.com/posts/78392748

For some reason Fark won't let me post it as a link, but it gives JMS's take on the current situation.
 
PartTimeBuddha [OhFark]
2023-02-08 11:05:31 AM  
https://www.patreon.com/posts/78392748?pr=true

^Reasonable man explaining his position.
 
Concrete Donkey
2023-02-08 11:10:23 AM  

ChopperCharles: Why a reboot of babylon 5? Why not a Babylon 6? Or 11? Or find out what happened to 4 in detail. Don't just rehash the old, make a new story.


Because the brain damaged monkeys in suits will only allow remakes, and if you even suggest a new things in the universe of said story you will be thrown from the roof of the building

And the reason is simple: remakes cost less
 
t3knomanser
2023-02-08 11:11:52 AM  

NeoCortex42: I'm curious and would like to see it because JMS


That said, there was a lot of B5 that got cringey, mostly the episodes written by Peter David (seriously, Peter David's version of the Centauri was... gross and creepy and not in a realistic "ugh" way but in a "did you write this one handed" way)
 
PartTimeBuddha [OhFark]
2023-02-08 11:12:17 AM  

Concrete Donkey: And the reason is simple: remakes cost less


Tell me that again with someone shorter
 
Lumbar Puncture
2023-02-08 11:51:00 AM  
Missed the boom period where folks were willing to pay a lot just for the sake of having content. Getting a special effects heavy show made is going to be an uphill battle as most streaming services are scaling back.
 
MrFrode
2023-02-08 12:01:22 PM  

ChopperCharles: Why a reboot of babylon 5? Why not a Babylon 6? Or 11? Or find out what happened to 4 in detail. Don't just rehash the old, make a new story.



We know what happened to Babylon 4. Cousin Brucie helped Valen take B4 into the past to fight the last shadow war.
 
t3knomanser
2023-02-08 12:14:43 PM  

Lumbar Puncture: Getting a special effects heavy show made is going to be an uphill battle as most streaming services are scaling back.


B5 isn't particularly special effects heavy. I mean, yes, moreso than your average CW show, but the entire thing was built and designed to shoot on a pretty pathetic budget in the original days and did their graphics on an Amiga Toaster- a device meant for making chyrons, not 3D graphics. Wil Wheaton was the Video Toaster's spokesperson, to give you an idea.

Costumes and makeup, that's where the money for B5 goes. Most of the special effects can be recycled between episodes- mostly establishing shots and transitions. Even space combat, you can reuse the "launch the Star Furies" animation a thousand times- it's meant to be repetitive.

You can write around your budget. The backbone of B5 was always characters sitting in rooms, talking.
 
devine
2023-02-08 12:16:09 PM  

MrFrode: ChopperCharles: Why a reboot of babylon 5? Why not a Babylon 6? Or 11? Or find out what happened to 4 in detail. Don't just rehash the old, make a new story.


We know what happened to Babylon 4. Cousin Brucie helped Valen take B4 into the past to fight the last shadow war.


You forgot Zathras.

"Zathras is used to being beast of burden to other peoples needs...very sad life...probably have very sad death...but, at least there is symmetry!"
 
bostonguy [TotalFark]
2023-02-08 12:23:17 PM  

t3knomanser: Peter David's version of the Centauri was... gross and creepy and not in a realistic "ugh" way but in a "did you write this one handed" way)


Which episodes were that?
 
bostonguy [TotalFark]
2023-02-08 12:24:34 PM  

t3knomanser: B5 isn't particularly special effects heavy.


I will never understand why people complain about the special effects.

It's about suspension of disbelief, people. Seriously. Just enjoy the story.
 
bostonguy [TotalFark]
2023-02-08 12:26:47 PM  
Not subby for this one, but we got the B5 news trifecta (and no one had to die)!

The other threads:

https://www.fark.com/comments/12741572/The-ten-best-space-battles-in-sci-fi-history-The-tag-is-for-not-having-any-mention-of-Babylon-5#new

https://www.fark.com/comments/12741556/Pulled-HBO-Max-shows-including-Babylon-5-Westworld-The-Nevers-many-more-will-soon-be-on-Roku-Tubi-Sooner-later-everyone-comes-to-Babylon-5#new
 
Concrete Donkey
2023-02-08 12:40:09 PM  

bostonguy: Not subby for this one, but we got the B5 news trifecta (and no one had to die)!

The other threads:

https://www.fark.com/comments/12741572/The-ten-best-space-battles-in-sci-fi-history-The-tag-is-for-not-having-any-mention-of-Babylon-5#new

https://www.fark.com/comments/12741556/Pulled-HBO-Max-shows-including-Babylon-5-Westworld-The-Nevers-many-more-will-soon-be-on-Roku-Tubi-Sooner-later-everyone-comes-to-Babylon-5#new


That list sucked because it choose to ignore video games and only slobber on tv/movies. No tv show would make the top 40 if you let them include the game side of space battles
 
t3knomanser
2023-02-08 12:58:44 PM  

bostonguy: Which episodes were that?


Apparently only two episodes, but they were so bad they seem like more. The one with Londo's wives and Delenn discovering she menstruates now, and the one where Ivanova needs to run the B5 gift shop.

But the Deleen-menstruates-now subplot is the cringiest "have you ever talked to a woman?" thing I've ever seen.
 
zbtop
2023-02-08 1:02:28 PM  
With regards to B5's special effects...am I the only one that liked them? As a kid in the mid 90's, the CGI made the show stand out. Yeah,it *looked* artificial, but it was also a Space Opera Sci-fi show, that was fine, it gave the setting a distinct feel, and let it do things that shows like Star Trek could never achieve with physical models (like burnthrough lasers, internal explosions, rotating bits, faster movement, etc).

Honestly, I find the widespread presence of CRT displays everywhere far more jarring when rewatching the show now than I find the 90's CGI.
 
cherryl taggart [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-02-08 1:15:43 PM  

t3knomanser: bostonguy: Which episodes were that?

Apparently only two episodes, but they were so bad they seem like more. The one with Londo's wives and Delenn discovering she menstruates now, and the one where Ivanova needs to run the B5 gift shop.

But the Deleen-menstruates-now subplot is the cringiest "have you ever talked to a woman?" thing I've ever seen.


I loved, loved, loved the episode with Londo's wives.  When his keeper wife, looked at him and said, "you're devolving," that was probably the greatest slapdown in history.  I have used that line on many occasions in the many years since.
 
gwoardnog
2023-02-08 1:16:23 PM  

zbtop: With regards to B5's special effects...am I the only one that liked them? As a kid in the mid 90's, the CGI made the show stand out. Yeah,it *looked* artificial, but it was also a Space Opera Sci-fi show, that was fine, it gave the setting a distinct feel, and let it do things that shows like Star Trek could never achieve with physical models (like burnthrough lasers, internal explosions, rotating bits, faster movement, etc).

Honestly, I find the widespread presence of CRT displays everywhere far more jarring when rewatching the show now than I find the 90's CGI.


The effects got me into doing 3d Modeling/Animation in high-school, there was an entire online community that would make reproduction models and textures for B5. I couldn't really do animations because rendering that on 266mhz computer still would take like 2 days for 30 seconds of video with cast shadows or something ridiculous like that.
 
TheMysteriousStranger
2023-02-08 1:37:32 PM  

devine: I found this.

https://www.patreon.com/posts/78392748

For some reason Fark won't let me post it as a link, but it gives JMS's take on the current situation.


Patreon returned "Forbidden" when Fark  checked the link. That is why the link to Twitter was used.
 
Quantumbunny
2023-02-08 1:45:38 PM  

TheMysteriousStranger: devine: I found this.

https://www.patreon.com/posts/78392748

For some reason Fark won't let me post it as a link, but it gives JMS's take on the current situation.

Patreon returned "Forbidden" when Fark  checked the link. That is why the link to Twitter was used.


Which is interesting because t.co links don't work for me, but Patreon did.
 
bostonguy [TotalFark]
2023-02-08 1:49:35 PM  

cherryl taggart: I loved, loved, loved the episode with Londo's wives.


When G'Kar slept with Londo's youngest wife, I thought -- "DAMN! That's cold, even for G'Kar and Londo."
 
born_yesterday [TotalFark]
2023-02-08 1:59:07 PM  

NeoCortex42: ChopperCharles: Why a reboot of babylon 5? Why not a Babylon 6? Or 11? Or find out what happened to 4 in detail. Don't just rehash the old, make a new story.

I think JMS has said it's not really going to be a straight-up remake.  That story's been told and those characters aren't going to be improved upon.  It seems like he's looking more at a BSG model where beyond the basic premise and a few names, it's a completely different show.

I'm curious and would like to see it because JMS, but I'm hesitant to get my hopes up on quality because CW.


Oh, there's gonna be angst, believe you me.
 
madgonad [OhFark]
2023-02-08 2:02:05 PM  

t3knomanser: bostonguy: Which episodes were that?

Apparently only two episodes, but they were so bad they seem like more. The one with Londo's wives and Delenn discovering she menstruates now, and the one where Ivanova needs to run the B5 gift shop.

But the Deleen-menstruates-now subplot is the cringiest "have you ever talked to a woman?" thing I've ever seen.


Oh please. The Ivanova/Delen bonding over how to maintain human hair was fine. It wasn't even the B-story that week. Just an interesting add on.
The throw away line about cramps was a standard gag, but foreshadowed her having a child with a human. Not cringe.
 
zbtop
2023-02-08 2:04:58 PM  

bostonguy: cherryl taggart: I loved, loved, loved the episode with Londo's wives.

When G'Kar slept with Londo's youngest wife, I thought -- "DAMN! That's cold, even for G'Kar and Londo."


In fairness, that ended up being like a soft 3 on the scale of "farked up shiat these two got up to" by the time the show ended.
 
NeoCortex42 [TotalFark]
2023-02-08 2:07:38 PM  

born_yesterday: NeoCortex42: ChopperCharles: Why a reboot of babylon 5? Why not a Babylon 6? Or 11? Or find out what happened to 4 in detail. Don't just rehash the old, make a new story.

I think JMS has said it's not really going to be a straight-up remake.  That story's been told and those characters aren't going to be improved upon.  It seems like he's looking more at a BSG model where beyond the basic premise and a few names, it's a completely different show.

I'm curious and would like to see it because JMS, but I'm hesitant to get my hopes up on quality because CW.

Oh, there's gonna be angst, believe you me.


But will people keep secrets from each other?
 
bostonguy [TotalFark]
2023-02-08 2:08:19 PM  

t3knomanser: gross and creepy and not in a realistic "ugh" way but in a "did you write this one handed" way)


For a second, I thought you were referring to Ivanova's dance scene. Ugh.
 
devine
2023-02-08 2:32:12 PM  

TheMysteriousStranger: devine: I found this.

https://www.patreon.com/posts/78392748

For some reason Fark won't let me post it as a link, but it gives JMS's take on the current situation.

Patreon returned "Forbidden" when Fark  checked the link. That is why the link to Twitter was used.


I don't understand Farks love of twitter. Fark loves twitter so much, I'm not even allowed to downvote twitter links without getting a vacation.

Anyway, I'm sure this will all end badly. Either with no new B5, or even worse, with new B5 episodes so scattasitic that they make the Byron episodes look good.

Come on universe, prove me wrong.
 
WelldeadLink
2023-02-08 2:36:19 PM  

NeoCortex42: I think JMS has said it's not really going to be a straight-up remake.  That story's been told and those characters aren't going to be improved upon.  It seems like he's looking more at a BSG model where beyond the basic premise and a few names, it's a completely different show.


Babylon 5: Voyager? It happens in a different quadrant of B5, with original characters sometimes passing in the background?
 
WelldeadLink
2023-02-08 2:37:10 PM  

WelldeadLink: NeoCortex42: I think JMS has said it's not really going to be a straight-up remake.  That story's been told and those characters aren't going to be improved upon.  It seems like he's looking more at a BSG model where beyond the basic premise and a few names, it's a completely different show.

Babylon 5: Voyager? It happens in a different quadrant of B5, with original characters sometimes passing in the background?


Great, now I'm anticipating: Babylon 5: Lower Decks.
 
bostonguy [TotalFark]
2023-02-08 2:47:39 PM  

devine: I don't understand Farks love of twitter.


Fark bans many good news outlets now because of their paywalls. So, people submit Twitter links to their articles instead.
 
Ivo Shandor [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-02-08 2:54:51 PM  

WelldeadLink: WelldeadLink: NeoCortex42: I think JMS has said it's not really going to be a straight-up remake.  That story's been told and those characters aren't going to be improved upon.  It seems like he's looking more at a BSG model where beyond the basic premise and a few names, it's a completely different show.

Babylon 5: Voyager? It happens in a different quadrant of B5, with original characters sometimes passing in the background?

Great, now I'm anticipating: Babylon 5: Lower Decks.


https://babylon5.fandom.com/wiki/A_View_from_the_Gallery
 
PartTimeBuddha [OhFark]
2023-02-08 3:09:48 PM  

bostonguy: devine: I don't understand Farks love of twitter.

Fark bans many good news outlets now because of their paywalls. So, people submit Twitter links to their articles instead.


also twitter tickles ye prostate

but sush!
 
rewind2846
2023-02-08 3:55:55 PM  

t3knomanser: But the Deleen-menstruates-now subplot is the cringiest "have you ever talked to a woman?" thing I've ever seen.


How would you write a humanoid species that not only has no body hair - not even eybrows - but who don't cycle every month? Waking up to find you're bleeding from a place you've never bled before, even with the medical knowledge of what's happening, has got to be some scary shat.

Consider also that primates are one of only four species of mammals that menstruate. Gotta figure if we eventually run into other spcefaring people there will be at least some whose biology will be a bit different. Take the octopus-like Centauri for example...
 
PartTimeBuddha [OhFark]
2023-02-08 3:59:17 PM  

rewind2846: How would you write a humanoid species that not only has no body hair - not even eybrows - but who don't cycle every month? Waking up to find you're bleeding from a place you've never bled before, even with the medical knowledge of what's happening, has got to be some scary shat.


Sir.
Dafyq>?
 
whidbey
2023-02-08 4:38:57 PM  
Good.

Don't do it.
 
tinderfitles
2023-02-08 4:44:48 PM  

rewind2846: t3knomanser: But the Deleen-menstruates-now subplot is the cringiest "have you ever talked to a woman?" thing I've ever seen.

How would you write a humanoid species that not only has no body hair - not even eybrows - but who don't cycle every month? Waking up to find you're bleeding from a place you've never bled before, even with the medical knowledge of what's happening, has got to be some scary shat.

Consider also that primates are one of only four species of mammals that menstruate. Gotta figure if we eventually run into other spcefaring people there will be at least some whose biology will be a bit different. Take the octopus-like Centauri for example...


The human hair bit was a great example of biological differences between species without going into weird territory. Honestly as an audience we didn't need to know about Deleen's discovery of her period or that Minbari shiat the bed every night to think "wow they are different from us". I also don't need to know that Centauri have 6 dicks.

Somethings are just better left alone.
 
Evil Mackerel
2023-02-08 4:49:01 PM  

devine: TheMysteriousStranger: devine: I found this.

https://www.patreon.com/posts/78392748

For some reason Fark won't let me post it as a link, but it gives JMS's take on the current situation.

Patreon returned "Forbidden" when Fark  checked the link. That is why the link to Twitter was used.

I don't understand Farks love of twitter. Fark loves twitter so much, I'm not even allowed to downvote twitter links without getting a vacation.

Anyway, I'm sure this will all end badly. Either with no new B5, or even worse, with new B5 episodes so scattasitic that they make the Byron episodes look good.

Come on universe, prove me wrong.


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t3knomanser
2023-02-08 4:55:10 PM  

rewind2846: How would you write a humanoid species that not only has no body hair - not even eybrows - but who don't cycle every month?


With nuance and candor?
 
Trik
2023-02-08 5:51:27 PM  

NeoCortex42: ChopperCharles: Why a reboot of babylon 5? Why not a Babylon 6? Or 11? Or find out what happened to 4 in detail. Don't just rehash the old, make a new story.

I think JMS has said it's not really going to be a straight-up remake.  That story's been told and those characters aren't going to be improved upon.  It seems like he's looking more at a BSG model where beyond the basic premise and a few names, it's a completely different show.

I'm curious and would like to see it because JMS, but I'm hesitant to get my hopes up on quality because CW.


I've read one of the scripts. Here's a line from the updated reimagining: "We Live For The Woke, We Die For The Woke!".
 
PartTimeBuddha [OhFark]
2023-02-08 6:00:45 PM  

whidbey: Good.

Don't do it.


Relax.
 
RoyFokker'sGhost
2023-02-08 6:03:09 PM  

physt: Yes, lots of successful reboots got their start with Patreons.


*coughs* Vox Machina...
 
RoyFokker'sGhost
2023-02-08 6:11:02 PM  
NeoCortex42:

I think JMS has said it's not really going to be a straight-up remake.  That story's been told and those characters aren't going to be improved upon.  It seems like he's looking more at a BSG model where beyond the basic premise and a few names, it's a completely different show.

It's a completely different show, altogether...
 
zbtop
2023-02-08 6:32:34 PM  

Trik: NeoCortex42: ChopperCharles: Why a reboot of babylon 5? Why not a Babylon 6? Or 11? Or find out what happened to 4 in detail. Don't just rehash the old, make a new story.

I think JMS has said it's not really going to be a straight-up remake.  That story's been told and those characters aren't going to be improved upon.  It seems like he's looking more at a BSG model where beyond the basic premise and a few names, it's a completely different show.

I'm curious and would like to see it because JMS, but I'm hesitant to get my hopes up on quality because CW.

I've read one of the scripts. Here's a line from the updated reimagining: "We Live For The Woke, We Die For The Woke!".


Man you really had to go out of your way to hamfist that in there.


More to the point however, um...hate to break it to ya, but the spaceship star opera genre has been front and center of the social justice movement since it started, and Babylon 5 wasn't really much different with literal inter-species coupling (way over the top of 60's era Star Trek inter-racial kissing), lesbian relationships (winters/ivanova), or the importance of working with a diverse array of allies and partners to defeat domestic fascism (literally the entire Clark storyline).
 
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