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Hendawg
2023-02-08 5:49:29 AM  
Does Luke Walton count?
 
holdmybones
2023-02-08 5:54:47 AM  
"But that's just me because I believe in myself, what I bring to the table, a guy that's been able to transform his game over the course of 20 years, be able to play any position in this league, excel at any position. I can play 1 through 5. I've led the league in assists. I've been able to do whatever it is this game has wanted me to do and also transform my game, as well."

While not wrong....maybe let someone else say it. I don't really understand the chip on his shoulder. Growing up in central Ohio I've been hearing about Lebron since he was 10 in AAU and nobody has ever bet against him or doubted him.
 
Snapper Carr
2023-02-08 5:56:54 AM  
Kevin Durant, Kahwi Leonard, Paul George, Paul Pierce, Melo et al.


SF has been a pretty stacked position during LeBron's time in the league.  He's had some battles.
 
LL316
2023-02-08 6:06:27 AM  
He's benefited a lot from playing in a no defense era, but he's had one heck of a career. I'd still put Kareem, Russell, and Magic ahead of him though. Maybe Oscar too?

Definitely not MJ. MJ had David Stern as 6th man of the year every year of his career.
 
Snapper Carr
2023-02-08 6:15:44 AM  

LL316: He's benefited a lot from playing in a no defense era, but he's had one heck of a career. I'd still put Kareem, Russell, and Magic ahead of him though. Maybe Oscar too?

Definitely not MJ. MJ had David Stern as 6th man of the year every year of his career.


I think that's an overrated argument.  If you look at his size compared to the elite players that played in the hand check/no illegal defense era, it's clear he would have been able to dominate almost everyone on the court who tried to body him and he has the agility, ball handling and game intelligence to outplay anyone who was bigger.

I think he would have been fine.
 
LewDux [OhFark]
2023-02-08 7:09:10 AM  
NBA League Averages - Totals | Basketball-Reference.com
In 77 NBA seasons teams averaged 103.21 ppg
In those season that LeBron played (2004-2023) teams averaged 102.57 ppg
In seasons MJ played (85-93, 95-98, 02--03) teams averaged 103.29 ppg
In seasons Kareem played (70-89) teams averaged 105.81
In season Wilt played (60-73) teams averaged 113.56 ppg
 
tnpir
2023-02-08 7:15:38 AM  
Well, he is out there busting his buns EVERY NIGHT.
 
LewDux [OhFark]
2023-02-08 7:17:18 AM  
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IAmRight
2023-02-08 7:26:01 AM  
And he just has 705 missed shots to go to overtake Kobe in that category!
 
bluorangefyre [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-02-08 7:36:06 AM  
But he'll never get to Wilt's scoring record.
 
BigMax [TotalFark]
2023-02-08 7:37:05 AM  
I never thought Kareem's record would be broken. LeBron has been a great player for a very long time.

But he makes me feel damn old, since I remember when he was a high school phenom.
 
IAmRight
2023-02-08 7:44:38 AM  

bluorangefyre: But he'll never get to Wilt's scoring record.


In fairness, neither did Wilt.
 
SuperChuck
2023-02-08 7:55:12 AM  
And of course, he sets the record in a loss
 
neaorin
2023-02-08 7:55:23 AM  

BigMax: I never thought Kareem's record would be broken. LeBron has been a great player for a very long time.

But he makes me feel damn old, since I remember when he was a high school phenom.


I just don't understand how you even play 20 seasons as a starter in the NBA, never mind being the best or second-best player on all your teams for all of those seasons.
 
bluorangefyre [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-02-08 8:09:35 AM  

IAmRight: bluorangefyre: But he'll never get to Wilt's scoring record.

In fairness, neither did Wilt.


I meant the 100-point game.  The only reason Kobe scored 81 that night was because he was a ball hog, and LeBron isn't, and is also getting up there in age.
 
ElFugawz [BareFark]
2023-02-08 8:18:14 AM  
Congrats to LeBron. Much as I like Jordan, James's just done a lot more and for longer.
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And without Scottie Pippen.
 
puffy999 [TotalFark]
2023-02-08 8:19:24 AM  

Snapper Carr: LL316: He's benefited a lot from playing in a no defense era, but he's had one heck of a career. I'd still put Kareem, Russell, and Magic ahead of him though. Maybe Oscar too?

Definitely not MJ. MJ had David Stern as 6th man of the year every year of his career.

I think that's an overrated argument.  If you look at his size compared to the elite players that played in the hand check/no illegal defense era, it's clear he would have been able to dominate almost everyone on the court who tried to body him and he has the agility, ball handling and game intelligence to outplay anyone who was bigger.

I think he would have been fine.


LeBron would have cried and had Chuck Daly change his Huggies within five minutes of playing the Pistons of the 80s.

And what's sad is that LeBron *should* be able to kick every single one of their asses in a fight except Rodman.
 
puffy999 [TotalFark]
2023-02-08 8:21:30 AM  

IAmRight: And he just has 705 missed shots to go to overtake Kobe in that category!


I joke (somewhat) about LeBron, but man, outside of defense (and Kobe was overrated at that just like everything else) he blows Kobe out of the water except in the minds of Laker fans.
 
bluorangefyre [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-02-08 8:25:17 AM  

puffy999: IAmRight: And he just has 705 missed shots to go to overtake Kobe in that category!

I joke (somewhat) about LeBron, but man, outside of defense (and Kobe was overrated at that just like everything else) he blows Kobe out of the water except in the minds of Laker fans.


To be fair, the Lakers have had Kobe, Shaq, Magic, Kareem, and a host of other greats through the years.  They're like the Yankees:  so many great players that it's unfair to compare whoever is on the roster to who they've had on the roster.
 
puffy999 [TotalFark]
2023-02-08 8:27:24 AM  

ElFugawz: Congrats to LeBron. Much as I like Jordan, James's just done a lot more and for longer.
[upload.wikimedia.org image 850x850]
And without Scottie Pippen.


He deserves that title more than Tom Brady.

For the vast majority of his career, James was, unquestionably, the best player in the league. For the majority of Brady's career, he wasn't even the best quarterback in any particular given season.

/but, if James had the drive Jordan had, he'd have become a better shooter
 
puffy999 [TotalFark]
2023-02-08 8:29:48 AM  

bluorangefyre: puffy999: IAmRight: And he just has 705 missed shots to go to overtake Kobe in that category!

I joke (somewhat) about LeBron, but man, outside of defense (and Kobe was overrated at that just like everything else) he blows Kobe out of the water except in the minds of Laker fans.

To be fair, the Lakers have had Kobe, Shaq, Magic, Kareem, and a host of other greats through the years.  They're like the Yankees:  so many great players that it's unfair to compare whoever is on the roster to who they've had on the roster.


Yeah but a lot of them would put Kobe up there above all of those names.

I bust Yankee balls over Derek Jeter but even they weren't that delusional about the guy.
 
drewogatory
2023-02-08 8:30:10 AM  

BigMax: I never thought Kareem's record would be broken. LeBron has been a great player for a very long time.

But he makes me feel damn old, since I remember when he was a high school phenom.


Makes me feel old because dude is ready to retire and I quit watching the NBA before he was drafted. I might now have been a non NBA watcher for longer than I WAS an NBA watcher, and I feel I watched a bunch of hoops in the day. Anyway, time for bingo! Where's my teeth?
 
puffy999 [TotalFark]
2023-02-08 8:32:12 AM  

puffy999: /but, if James had the drive Jordan had, he'd have become a better shooter


And defender.

He is so athletic and big the guy's defensive career shouldn't be boiled down to some highlights. He should have awards.
 
Arthur Two Sheds Jackson
2023-02-08 8:32:29 AM  
Yea, but can he fly a plane?
 
Badmoodman [TotalFark]
2023-02-08 8:55:37 AM  
38


LeBron James, at 38 years old, became the NBA's all-time leading scorer last night, putting his career total at 38,388 points. He broke Kareem Abdul-Jabbar's record, which held for 38 years until last night. He finished with 38 points on the night, too.
 
morg
2023-02-08 9:04:40 AM  
I've been sick of that guy since "The Decision".
 
SonOfSpam [BareFark]
2023-02-08 9:16:16 AM  
"Fark, man."
 
Botkin of the Yard
2023-02-08 9:25:58 AM  
puffy999 LeBron would have cried and had Chuck Daly change his Huggies within five minutes of playing the Pistons of the 80s.And what's sad is that LeBron *should* be able to kick every single one of their asses in a fight except Rodman.

That was a real golden age in basketball.  Hall of Famers everywhere you looked.

I wonder if the Pistons would've approached Lebron in a similar way to Jordan.  Call it James Rules.  Detroit's defense would have presented a real challenge for him.
 
drewogatory
2023-02-08 9:29:31 AM  

Botkin of the Yard: puffy999 LeBron would have cried and had Chuck Daly change his Huggies within five minutes of playing the Pistons of the 80s.And what's sad is that LeBron *should* be able to kick every single one of their asses in a fight except Rodman.

That was a real golden age in basketball.  Hall of Famers everywhere you looked.

I wonder if the Pistons would've approached Lebron in a similar way to Jordan.  Call it James Rules.  Detroit's defense would have presented a real challenge for him.


I mean, nobody could stop Karl Malone and they are basically the same guy.
 
kdawg7736 [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-02-08 9:32:19 AM  
The video:

LEBRON JAMES BREAKS THE NBA ALL-TIME SCORING RECORD!👑 #ScoringKing
Youtube MOPjtuzoSyA
 
ElFugawz [BareFark]
2023-02-08 9:55:13 AM  

morg: I've been sick of that guy since "The Decision".


Get over it. You know how many points ago that was? I posted it in a previous thread. His career points since would be around 25th all time.
 
eagles95
2023-02-08 10:07:33 AM  

SuperChuck: And of course, he sets the record in a loss


Good morning Skip? Is this your lead in today on Undisputed?
 
SonOfSpam [BareFark]
2023-02-08 10:08:46 AM  

kdawg7736: The video:

[Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/MOPjtuzoSyA]


Here's the part I remember. Starts at about 4:35.

LeBron James EMOTIONAL Speech after Becoming NBA's All-Time Scoring Leader 👑🔥
Youtube uIM3pwJPXMU
 
Al Tsheimers
2023-02-08 10:12:42 AM  

puffy999: Snapper Carr: LL316: He's benefited a lot from playing in a no defense era, but he's had one heck of a career. I'd still put Kareem, Russell, and Magic ahead of him though. Maybe Oscar too?

Definitely not MJ. MJ had David Stern as 6th man of the year every year of his career.

I think that's an overrated argument.  If you look at his size compared to the elite players that played in the hand check/no illegal defense era, it's clear he would have been able to dominate almost everyone on the court who tried to body him and he has the agility, ball handling and game intelligence to outplay anyone who was bigger.

I think he would have been fine.

LeBron would have cried and had Chuck Daly change his Huggies within five minutes of playing the Pistons of the 80s.

And what's sad is that LeBron *should* be able to kick every single one of their asses in a fight except Rodman.


Mahorn?
 
drewogatory
2023-02-08 10:14:27 AM  

Al Tsheimers: puffy999: Snapper Carr: LL316: He's benefited a lot from playing in a no defense era, but he's had one heck of a career. I'd still put Kareem, Russell, and Magic ahead of him though. Maybe Oscar too?

Definitely not MJ. MJ had David Stern as 6th man of the year every year of his career.

I think that's an overrated argument.  If you look at his size compared to the elite players that played in the hand check/no illegal defense era, it's clear he would have been able to dominate almost everyone on the court who tried to body him and he has the agility, ball handling and game intelligence to outplay anyone who was bigger.

I think he would have been fine.

LeBron would have cried and had Chuck Daly change his Huggies within five minutes of playing the Pistons of the 80s.

And what's sad is that LeBron *should* be able to kick every single one of their asses in a fight except Rodman.

Mahorn?


Anthony Mason? Oakley?
 
Botkin of the Yard
2023-02-08 10:24:54 AM  
Al Tsheimers Mahorn?

Correct.

Beyond that, which of those guys would he be asked to cover on defense?
 
LewDux [OhFark]
2023-02-08 10:25:33 AM  

puffy999: Snapper Carr: LL316: He's benefited a lot from playing in a no defense era, but he's had one heck of a career. I'd still put Kareem, Russell, and Magic ahead of him though. Maybe Oscar too?

Definitely not MJ. MJ had David Stern as 6th man of the year every year of his career.

I think that's an overrated argument.  If you look at his size compared to the elite players that played in the hand check/no illegal defense era, it's clear he would have been able to dominate almost everyone on the court who tried to body him and he has the agility, ball handling and game intelligence to outplay anyone who was bigger.

I think he would have been fine.

LeBron would have cried and had Chuck Daly change his Huggies within five minutes of playing the Pistons of the 80s.

And what's sad is that LeBron *should* be able to kick every single one of their asses in a fight except Rodman.


MNBAGAts...
 
Stud Gerbil
2023-02-08 10:38:22 AM  

LL316: He's benefited a lot from playing in a no defense era, but he's had one heck of a career. I'd still put Kareem, Russell, and Magic ahead of him though. Maybe Oscar too?

Definitely not MJ. MJ had David Stern as 6th man of the year every year of his career.


The reason I put LeBron ahead of MJ is simple.   Shooting.   Yeah, the one area that MJ is ahead of LeBron.   Everyone knows that LeBron does every aspect of the game better than MJ, except for shooting.   So:

Career 2P FG%:
LeBron  .554
Jordan  .510

Career 3P FG%
LeBron  .344
Jordan  .327

How can this be?  MJ outscored LeBron by about 3 PPG.   You guys are smart, you can figure this one out.
 
boyofd
2023-02-08 10:39:08 AM  
I am fully convinced that nearly everybody who talks about how hard the NBA was in the 80s and 90s just doesn't watch the current game. LBJ gets hacked plenty, and I think it's safe to say doesn't get the calls that MJ got.

But regardless of fouling issues, we all thought Karl Malone was some freak of nature because he was so massive. Dude scored 37,000 points without any real quickness, jumping ability, or ability to hit outside 3-point shots, but just by being stronger than everyone. Well, LBJ is the same size. But he's faster, quicker, jumps higher, handles the ball better, and shoots better from the outside. If anyone truly thinks that LBJ wouldn't do just as well, if not better, in the 90s NBA, I just don't know what to tell you.
 
Botkin of the Yard
2023-02-08 10:53:07 AM  
boyofd But regardless of fouling issues, we all thought Karl Malone was some freak of nature because he was so massive. Dude scored 37,000 points without any real quickness, jumping ability, or ability to hit outside 3-point shots, but just by being stronger than everyone. Well, LBJ is the same size. But he's faster, quicker, jumps higher, handles the ball better, and shoots better from the outside. If anyone truly thinks that LBJ wouldn't do just as well, if not better, in the 90s NBA, I just don't know what to tell you.

I'm sure he would have been great in any era.  The game was played differently in the 80s and I'd imagine his game would have adapted to that style.  But talent like that would fit in during any era.

I always thought of the mid 90s as a somewhat less entertaining period.  When they moved the three point line in it really didn't have the desired effect.
 
deanis
2023-02-08 10:53:15 AM  

holdmybones: "But that's just me because I believe in myself, what I bring to the table, a guy that's been able to transform his game over the course of 20 years, be able to play any position in this league, excel at any position. I can play 1 through 5. I've led the league in assists. I've been able to do whatever it is this game has wanted me to do and also transform my game, as well."

While not wrong....maybe let someone else say it. I don't really understand the chip on his shoulder. Growing up in central Ohio I've been hearing about Lebron since he was 10 in AAU and nobody has ever bet against him or doubted him.


You could argue an entire industry has been made off of hating this man.
 
ElFugawz [BareFark]
2023-02-08 10:54:45 AM  

boyofd: I am fully convinced that nearly everybody who talks about how hard the NBA was in the 80s and 90s just doesn't watch the current game. LBJ gets hacked plenty, and I think it's safe to say doesn't get the calls that MJ got.

But regardless of fouling issues, we all thought Karl Malone was some freak of nature because he was so massive. Dude scored 37,000 points without any real quickness, jumping ability, or ability to hit outside 3-point shots, but just by being stronger than everyone. Well, LBJ is the same size. But he's faster, quicker, jumps higher, handles the ball better, and shoots better from the outside. If anyone truly thinks that LBJ wouldn't do just as well, if not better, in the 90s NBA, I just don't know what to tell you.


Karl Malone scored 13.
And by that I mean he raped a child.
 
deanis
2023-02-08 10:55:02 AM  

puffy999: Snapper Carr: LL316: He's benefited a lot from playing in a no defense era, but he's had one heck of a career. I'd still put Kareem, Russell, and Magic ahead of him though. Maybe Oscar too?

Definitely not MJ. MJ had David Stern as 6th man of the year every year of his career.

I think that's an overrated argument.  If you look at his size compared to the elite players that played in the hand check/no illegal defense era, it's clear he would have been able to dominate almost everyone on the court who tried to body him and he has the agility, ball handling and game intelligence to outplay anyone who was bigger.

I think he would have been fine.

LeBron would have cried and had Chuck Daly change his Huggies within five minutes of playing the Pistons of the 80s.

And what's sad is that LeBron *should* be able to kick every single one of their asses in a fight except Rodman.


Just watch hockey if you want to see big white guys hurt people. Basketball IS a finesse sport.
 
deanis
2023-02-08 10:57:38 AM  

boyofd: I am fully convinced that nearly everybody who talks about how hard the NBA was in the 80s and 90s just doesn't watch the current game. LBJ gets hacked plenty, and I think it's safe to say doesn't get the calls that MJ got.

But regardless of fouling issues, we all thought Karl Malone was some freak of nature because he was so massive. Dude scored 37,000 points without any real quickness, jumping ability, or ability to hit outside 3-point shots, but just by being stronger than everyone. Well, LBJ is the same size. But he's faster, quicker, jumps higher, handles the ball better, and shoots better from the outside. If anyone truly thinks that LBJ wouldn't do just as well, if not better, in the 90s NBA, I just don't know what to tell you.


KKKarl also had the best point guard ever (assists) doing pick and rolls for him 30 times every game.
 
holdmybones
2023-02-08 11:00:18 AM  

deanis: holdmybones: "But that's just me because I believe in myself, what I bring to the table, a guy that's been able to transform his game over the course of 20 years, be able to play any position in this league, excel at any position. I can play 1 through 5. I've led the league in assists. I've been able to do whatever it is this game has wanted me to do and also transform my game, as well."

While not wrong....maybe let someone else say it. I don't really understand the chip on his shoulder. Growing up in central Ohio I've been hearing about Lebron since he was 10 in AAU and nobody has ever bet against him or doubted him.

You could argue an entire industry has been made off of hating this man.


The angst he's gotten from the media or fans has largely been of his own creation and not because people doubted he could perform x basketball task.
 
ElFugawz [BareFark]
2023-02-08 11:01:07 AM  

puffy999: ElFugawz: Congrats to LeBron. Much as I like Jordan, James's just done a lot more and for longer.
[upload.wikimedia.org image 850x850]
And without Scottie Pippen.

He deserves that title more than Tom Brady.

For the vast majority of his career, James was, unquestionably, the best player in the league. For the majority of Brady's career, he wasn't even the best quarterback in any particular given season.

/but, if James had the drive Jordan had, he'd have become a better shooter


Really no comparison:
James has played 1,366 + 266 (playoffs)
Brady has played 335 + 48, and none were in the NBA

/ I do agree, though
// fun fact: James has started all but 1 of those games, Brady all but 2.
 
Jack Sabbath
2023-02-08 11:20:46 AM  
It is ludicrous what Lebron is doing at this age.  At age 38, Kareem was averaging 23 points a game, but it fell off quickly after that, and he was a post player.

Lebron is still a high-flyer, which is mind-bottling.  Even Kobe had started being less acrobatic at age 38, even though he was averaging about 25/5/5 at that time.

That Lebron broke Cap's record in almost two season's less worth of games too.  Stunning.
 
grimlock1972
2023-02-08 11:23:12 AM  
I am just going to add this as a point for consideration, James went straight from High School to the NBA, Jabbar played 3 years of college ball, one must wonder how many more points Jabbar might have have scored if he had 3 more years of NBA playing time in his prime.
 
Stud Gerbil
2023-02-08 11:29:32 AM  
This could've been done much better.

LeBron is one point behind
Lakers get possession
Game is stopped
Camera crew sets up in the middle of the court
Reporter asks, "What play will you run?"
Coaches confer with players for several minutes.
"The Decision"
Reporters spend 20 minutes discussing.
Lakers inbound ball
LeBron shoots, breaks the record
Game is stopped again
Camera crew sets up in the middle of the court.
Reporter asks, "What play did you run, and why?
LeBron breaks down in tears and admits that he begged the coaches to let him pass the ball to the open player.

aaaaand ... SCENE!
 
Joey Jo Jo Jr Shabadu
2023-02-08 11:40:51 AM  

grimlock1972: I am just going to add this as a point for consideration, James went straight from High School to the NBA, Jabbar played 3 years of college ball, one must wonder how many more points Jabbar might have have scored if he had 3 more years of NBA playing time in his prime.


Doesn't really matter.  James has broken his record in 150 fewer games, and he's likely to play an additional couple of seasons.
 
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