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BizarreMan [TotalFark]
2023-02-08 12:58:40 AM  
That's one way to prevent creation from being taught in the schools.
 
Anastacya [TotalFark]
2023-02-08 3:04:07 AM  
I wonder if they can define theorem.
 
Vacation Bible School
2023-02-08 4:56:24 AM  
"I have here a bill based on a colloquial misuse of a term that I do not fully understand."
 
Wine Sipping Elitist [TotalFark]
2023-02-08 4:58:53 AM  
"If we operate on the assumption that a theory is fact, unfortunately, it leads us to asking questions that may be potentially based on false assumptions," Emrich said.

This dude wants to throw the entire standard model in the trash.

Whenever a science denier (flat earther, Jehovah's Witness etc) says anything stupid like this, I politely ask them if I can smash their mobile phone since it has GPS (among other things) which relies on all of those "unproven theories".
 
groppet
2023-02-08 5:05:42 AM  
I wish everyone that supports this gets denied anything science has brought us and can live out their life in a mud hut praying their medical problems go away.
 
holdmybones
2023-02-08 5:06:56 AM  
This is a man with a lot to hide. He might be hiding some of it in his stupid beard but probably on his hard drive.
 
holdmybones
2023-02-08 5:07:23 AM  

holdmybones: This is a man with a lot to hide. He might be hiding some of it in his stupid beard but probably on his hard drive.


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Snapper Carr
2023-02-08 5:08:53 AM  

Wine Sipping Elitist: This dude wants to throw the entire standard model evolution in the trash.



This isn't about MOND or dark energy or matter-antimatter symmetry.  This is about throwing out a scientific theory because it contradicts what some Bronze age desert nomad wrote about how life developed.
 
emtwo
2023-02-08 5:09:11 AM  
Mia Taylor is a sophomore at Helena High School. She told the committee, "If we remove scientific theory from science curriculums, what can be taught will be limited. It is the school's job to educate its students."

The bill is sponsored by freshman Republican Senator Daniel Emrich from Great Falls. In his testimony, Emrich said the bill would make sure students are taught what a scientific fact is.

"If we operate on the assumption that a theory is fact, unfortunately, it leads us to asking questions that may be potentially based on false assumptions," Emrich said.

Is Freshman Republican Senator Daniel Emrich a Freshman at Helena High School that is also a Republican Senator, or a Freshman Senator, or both?
 
saturn badger [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-02-08 5:11:59 AM  
This is infuriating and really getting old. How about we cut to the chase. Let's just make all the schools into mini churches.
 
Archie Goodwin
2023-02-08 5:12:21 AM  
Dear America,

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No, seriously, WTAF is wrong with you?
 
darth sunshine
2023-02-08 5:14:02 AM  
no wonder there are so many dental floss farmers living there....
 
hlehmann
2023-02-08 5:14:11 AM  
Republicans really are horrible, ignorant people.
 
Arumat
2023-02-08 5:20:35 AM  
<Morbo>WE LEARN THINGS BY ASKING QUESTIONS BASED ON ASSUMPTIONS AND THEN TEST THEM YOU IDIOT FACTORY DEFECT DUMPSTER RESIDENT.</Morbo>
 
InnKeeper
2023-02-08 5:22:45 AM  
"That's just a theory!"

So is gravity. If you doubt theories that much, I invite you to demonstrate it wrng by walking off a cliff
 
emtwo
2023-02-08 5:23:58 AM  

Archie Goodwin: Dear America,

[Fark user image 481x225]

No, seriously, WTAF is wrong with you?


The short version is that we came from Europe.
 
Alphax
2023-02-08 5:27:25 AM  

emtwo: Archie Goodwin: Dear America,

[Fark user image 481x225]

No, seriously, WTAF is wrong with you?

The short version is that we came from Europe.


And we're a mix of the younger children of nobles who wouldn't inherit anything, and they wanted their own lands and serfs, and the religious fanatics upset that they couldn't freely murder their neighbors.
 
PartTimeBuddha [OhFark]
2023-02-08 5:31:27 AM  
Close Enough - Huxley quotes Compilation - Demolition Man
Youtube HiHbANoIvTI
 
oyster_popsicles
2023-02-08 5:33:10 AM  

emtwo: Archie Goodwin: Dear America,

[Fark user image 481x225]

No, seriously, WTAF is wrong with you?

The short version is that we came from Europe.

almost half of us believe in religious fairy tales.

ftft
 
RoyFokker'sGhost
2023-02-08 5:34:47 AM  
Let's try this again...

The whole 'facts versus theory' stupidity notwithstanding...

Just because you make a scientific discovery that accepted by the scientific community, doesn't mean it's going to remain the same or accurate until the heat death of the universe. Up until the 90's, public education used the 'orbit' model to teach atomic science. Each electron or valence shell had a defined orbit around the nucleus.Then, about 1990, the curriculum was altered to use the 'probability cloud' model. Orbits were less defined and more 'this is where you're likely to encounter the electrons in any given state'. Was the orbit model wrong? Not entirely. It's just in the decades since the orbit model was accepted, research and better equipment lead to the development of the probability cloud model, in accordance with quantum science. Humanity's understanding grew, and teaching methods were adjusted accordingly.

Also...

On the subject of 'scientific fact'. It is a demonstrable, observable fact that about 1 in every 1000 live male births is afflicted with Klinefelter Syndrome. This is a genetic condition where the child's chromosomal profile is XXY, rather than XY. This leads to those afflicted developing feminine secondary sexual characteristics in puberty. Specifically, feminine breasts (as opposed to moobs from obesity) and wider hips. Psychology has nothing to do with this, it is a genetic condition that has nothing to do with 'feelings'. And it's only one of dozens of naturally occurring genetic expressions that lead to intersex development. Therefore, transsexualism is a valid condition that can sometimes have a psychological foundation.
 
emtwo
2023-02-08 5:35:28 AM  

oyster_popsicles: emtwo: Archie Goodwin: Dear America,

[Fark user image 481x225]

No, seriously, WTAF is wrong with you?

The short version is that we came from Europe. almost half of us believe in religious fairy tales.

ftft


That's a problem, but it's a problem that is ubiquitous everywhere that has a human population, and it's not at all unique to the US.
 
oyster_popsicles
2023-02-08 5:40:40 AM  

emtwo: oyster_popsicles: emtwo: Archie Goodwin: Dear America,

[Fark user image 481x225]

No, seriously, WTAF is wrong with you?

The short version is that we came from Europe. almost half of us believe in religious fairy tales.

ftft

That's a problem, but it's a problem that is ubiquitous everywhere that has a human population, and it's not at all unique to the US.


Yes, i agree 100%.
It's a goddamn scourge :/
 
Nicki Minaj's Cousin's Friend's Swollen Testicle
2023-02-08 5:42:28 AM  

emtwo: Archie Goodwin: Dear America,

[Fark user image 481x225]

No, seriously, WTAF is wrong with you?

The short version is that we came from Europe.


Europe is just a theory, it's not an actual country.
 
PartTimeBuddha [OhFark]
2023-02-08 5:44:25 AM  

RoyFokker'sGhost: Up until the 90's, public education used the 'orbit' model to teach atomic science. Each electron or valence shell had a defined orbit around the nucleus.Then, about 1990, the curriculum was altered to use the 'probability cloud' model.


wat
 
Ishkur [OhFark]
2023-02-08 5:44:33 AM  
"If we operate on the assumption that a theory is fact"

Couple things.

First: A scientific theory IS fact. Rather, it is a body of facts obedient to specific laws within a given field.

Science doesn't prove certainties, only high probabilities, and a theory is the HIGHEST order of probability that is possible to prove within the realm of rational inquiry. You cannot get any closer to truth than the bedrock nigh-certainty of a Scientific Theory.

Secondly, science is not a Democracy. It is not there to hear "all sides" of an issue and let the people decide what's true through popular consensus, and even if it was, our schools -- where kids are first learning about these things -- are hardly the appropriate avenues to have those kinds of discussions. That's not how science works.

The correct format for introducing any valid competing theory that challenges commonly accepted scientific inquiry is a five-step process:

1) conduct experiments and/or collect data
2) publish scientific papers explaining those experiments/data
3) let that data be scrutinized and those experiments be duplicated and challenged by others (peer-review)
4) If they pass muster and survive harsh scrutiny they get printed up in journals and magazines for laymen
5) After about 20 years of this solid testing, experimentation and exploration backed by evidence and peer-review, the science goes for review to be inserted into high school textbooks.

THEN students can learn about it.

The main thrust of Creationists is to bypass the first four steps and insert Creationism/Intelligent Design doctrine directly into school textbooks now. Today. At once. This is not only wrong and dangerous, it is bordering on criminal.
 
Wine Sipping Elitist [TotalFark]
2023-02-08 5:44:37 AM  

Snapper Carr: Wine Sipping Elitist: This dude wants to throw the entire standard model evolution in the trash.


This isn't about MOND or dark energy or matter-antimatter symmetry.  This is about throwing out a scientific theory because it contradicts what some Bronze age desert nomad wrote about how life developed.


I hope I'm not hairsplitting but my understanding of the standard model is that is describes protons, neutrons, electrons, quarks and how they interact ie how the world actually works. But it's just a theory and it's incomplete so according to this jackoff teaching it is off the table.

Yes, he may be trying to eliminate evolution from the curriculum, but the unintended consequence is he is eliminating chemistry itself.
 
Fasces Breaker
2023-02-08 5:52:48 AM  
lemme guess... saying a sky wizard blinked everything into existence still a-okay to teach.
 
FatherChaos [TotalFark]
2023-02-08 5:54:28 AM  
Teaching the Bible still OK though.

/seriously, can't we just mass deport these farkwads to Russia?
 
wademh
2023-02-08 5:55:45 AM  

Anastacya: I wonder if they can define theorem.


Example: gravity.
 
Mr. Shabooboo
2023-02-08 6:00:03 AM  
Then how do you expect Judges and Juries to be "Tough on Crime" if laws are all theoretical and relative?
 
Sexy Jesus [recently expired TotalFark]
2023-02-08 6:04:05 AM  
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question_dj [TotalFark]
2023-02-08 6:10:21 AM  
Wow. Montana Public Radio basically just running a press release for that dude about his legislation. No explaining what science defines as a theory. Nothing. Just, this guy wants students to not learn science theories, here are his thoughts!
 
LL316
2023-02-08 6:10:59 AM  
"If we operate on the assumption that a theory is fact, unfortunately, it leads us to asking questions that may be potentially based on false assumptions," Emrich said.

Does he know what a theory is?  The students who are being taught scientific theory do. But this guy?  I don't think so.
 
HansoSparxx
2023-02-08 6:16:36 AM  

RoyFokker'sGhost: Let's try this again...

The whole 'facts versus theory' stupidity notwithstanding...

Just because you make a scientific discovery that accepted by the scientific community, doesn't mean it's going to remain the same or accurate until the heat death of the universe. Up until the 90's, public education used the 'orbit' model to teach atomic science. Each electron or valence shell had a defined orbit around the nucleus.Then, about 1990, the curriculum was altered to use the 'probability cloud' model. Orbits were less defined and more 'this is where you're likely to encounter the electrons in any given state'. Was the orbit model wrong? Not entirely. It's just in the decades since the orbit model was accepted, research and better equipment lead to the development of the probability cloud model, in accordance with quantum science. Humanity's understanding grew, and teaching methods were adjusted accordingly.

Also...

On the subject of 'scientific fact'. It is a demonstrable, observable fact that about 1 in every 1000 live male births is afflicted with Klinefelter Syndrome. This is a genetic condition where the child's chromosomal profile is XXY, rather than XY. This leads to those afflicted developing feminine secondary sexual characteristics in puberty. Specifically, feminine breasts (as opposed to moobs from obesity) and wider hips. Psychology has nothing to do with this, it is a genetic condition that has nothing to do with 'feelings'. And it's only one of dozens of naturally occurring genetic expressions that lead to intersex development. Therefore, transsexualism is a valid condition that can sometimes have a psychological foundation.


Omg you wrote all that shiat....  can't we just agree that magic isn't real and religion is for stupid people?
 
LL316
2023-02-08 6:18:36 AM  

Archie Goodwin: Dear America,

[Fark user image image 481x225]

No, seriously, WTAF is wrong with you?


Christianity
 
AdmirableSnackbar [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-02-08 6:19:49 AM  

Archie Goodwin: Dear America,

[Fark user image image 481x225]

No, seriously, WTAF is wrong with you?


We've got a lot of evil, stupid people and the smart people in power are more interested in compromise with them than they are in defeating them. So things just keep getting worse.
 
Tomahawk513 [TotalFark]
2023-02-08 6:20:34 AM  
Based on that pic, that dude 100% has child porn on his computer.
 
dracos31
2023-02-08 6:38:30 AM  

Tomahawk513: Based on that pic, that dude 100% has child porn on his computer.


And a 50/50 shot on that porn being of his own sibling.
 
DannyBrandt [TotalFark]
2023-02-08 6:39:21 AM  

InnKeeper: "That's just a theory!"

So is gravity. If you doubt theories that much, I invite you to demonstrate it wrng by walking off a cliff


Until they figure out the Pioneer 10/11 anomaly, I'll keep stepping off as many tall buildings as I please, TYVM.
 
JerkStore
2023-02-08 6:39:39 AM  
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DannyBrandt [TotalFark]
2023-02-08 6:41:27 AM  

Ishkur: The correct format for introducing any valid competing theory that challenges commonly accepted scientific inquiry is a five-step process:

1) conduct experiments and/or collect data
2) publish scientific papers explaining those experiments/data
3) let that data be scrutinized and those experiments be duplicated and challenged by others (peer-review)
4) If they pass muster and survive harsh scrutiny they get printed up in journals and magazines for laymen
5) After about 20 years of this solid testing, experimentation and exploration backed by evidence and peer-review, the science goes for review to be inserted into high school textbooks.


Thought there was a "develop a hypothesis" step in there somewhere.
 
RoyFokker'sGhost
2023-02-08 6:44:00 AM  

HansoSparxx: RoyFokker'sGhost: Let's try this again...

The whole 'facts versus theory' stupidity notwithstanding...

Just because you make a scientific discovery that accepted by the scientific community, doesn't mean it's going to remain the same or accurate until the heat death of the universe. Up until the 90's, public education used the 'orbit' model to teach atomic science. Each electron or valence shell had a defined orbit around the nucleus.Then, about 1990, the curriculum was altered to use the 'probability cloud' model. Orbits were less defined and more 'this is where you're likely to encounter the electrons in any given state'. Was the orbit model wrong? Not entirely. It's just in the decades since the orbit model was accepted, research and better equipment lead to the development of the probability cloud model, in accordance with quantum science. Humanity's understanding grew, and teaching methods were adjusted accordingly.

Also...

On the subject of 'scientific fact'. It is a demonstrable, observable fact that about 1 in every 1000 live male births is afflicted with Klinefelter Syndrome. This is a genetic condition where the child's chromosomal profile is XXY, rather than XY. This leads to those afflicted developing feminine secondary sexual characteristics in puberty. Specifically, feminine breasts (as opposed to moobs from obesity) and wider hips. Psychology has nothing to do with this, it is a genetic condition that has nothing to do with 'feelings'. And it's only one of dozens of naturally occurring genetic expressions that lead to intersex development. Therefore, transsexualism is a valid condition that can sometimes have a psychological foundation.

Omg you wrote all that shiat....  can't we just agree that magic isn't real and religion is for stupid people?


Mahatma Gandhi and Martin Luther King were deeply religious people. Were they stupid?

Besides that, one of the key principles of science is 'showing your work' so that others can do their own research and come to the same conclusions or offer a different solution.

It's not about convincing the fundies. It's about providing reasonable people with frameworks to counter the fundies.
 
PunGent
2023-02-08 6:44:19 AM  

holdmybones: This is a man with a lot to hide. He might be hiding some of it in his stupid beard but probably on his hard drive.


Ten bucks on "pedophile"...easy call.

Not sure if he likes little boys or little girls, though.

/afa the bill, my opinion of the GOP remains unchanged
 
OhioUGrad
2023-02-08 6:52:18 AM  

Wine Sipping Elitist: "If we operate on the assumption that a theory is fact, unfortunately, it leads us to asking questions that may be potentially based on false assumptions," Emrich said.

This dude wants to throw the entire standard model in the trash.

Whenever a science denier (flat earther, Jehovah's Witness etc) says anything stupid like this, I politely ask them if I can smash their mobile phone since it has GPS (among other things) which relies on all of those "unproven theories".


Troy is not amused
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o4tuna
2023-02-08 6:52:59 AM  
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Graffito [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-02-08 6:55:56 AM  

Anastacya: I wonder if they can define theorem.


I wonder if they can define fact.
 
Archie Goodwin
2023-02-08 7:07:08 AM  

LL316: Archie Goodwin: Dear America,

[Fark user image image 481x225]

No, seriously, WTAF is wrong with you?

Christianity


I figured as much.

They really want the Dark Ages 2.0 - Candlelight Boogaloo.

/yeah, yeah the dark ages weren't really that dark.
 
notto
2023-02-08 7:09:53 AM  
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2023-02-08 7:12:59 AM  
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shpritz
2023-02-08 7:14:17 AM  

Snapper Carr: Wine Sipping Elitist: This dude wants to throw the entire standard model evolution in the trash.


This isn't about MOND or dark energy or matter-antimatter symmetry.  This is about throwing out a scientific theory because it contradicts what some Bronze age desert nomad wrote about how life developed.


No. This is about idiots electing even bigger idiots to represent them with a healthy dose of Dunning-Kruger thrown into the mix.
 
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