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(Al Jazeera)   US Navy releases first images of Chinese 'spy' balloon recovery, and we all immediately know they're fake as they don't have any photographs of Hunter Biden's laptop   (aljazeera.com) divider line
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2023-02-08 7:33:25 AM  
Shows what you know. The sensor/photography equipment needed to be the size of two school buses to capture Hunter B's cock.

What do you mean, "Resize image"?
 
2023-02-08 7:40:52 AM  
I really don't understand what game China is playing when they officially complain that the US downed something that was illegally in US airspace.  Nor does it seem particularly wise to continue to claim it was a meteorological instrumentation package drifting on the wind when it had been observed to have some navigation capability and China never informed the US of the balloon prior to it being spotted... and the US is almost certainly going to recover enough hardware to determine what the balloon's general capabilities were.
 
2023-02-08 7:47:42 AM  
Somebody is going to have fun going through that wreckage...

Not sure what China's game is here. They now know the party's over, at least in the US. As far as balloon observation is concerned, it's open season...
 
2023-02-08 7:51:08 AM  
I think it was just to see how we would react
 
2023-02-08 7:51:30 AM  

Unsung_Hero: I really don't understand what game China is playing when they officially complain that the US downed something that was illegally in US airspace.  Nor does it seem particularly wise to continue to claim it was a meteorological instrumentation package drifting on the wind when it had been observed to have some navigation capability and China never informed the US of the balloon prior to it being spotted... and the US is almost certainly going to recover enough hardware to determine what the balloon's general capabilities were.


It's the naturally occurring stupidity of dictatorships and fascist governments. They get so used to everyone in their own country being too afraid to question anything they say, they forget how to convincingly lie to anyone outside their country, and throw little tantrums when the rest of the world calls them on their childish bullshiat excuses.
 
2023-02-08 7:55:02 AM  
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2023-02-08 7:56:23 AM  

EdgeRunner: Unsung_Hero: I really don't understand what game China is playing when they officially complain that the US downed something that was illegally in US airspace.  Nor does it seem particularly wise to continue to claim it was a meteorological instrumentation package drifting on the wind when it had been observed to have some navigation capability and China never informed the US of the balloon prior to it being spotted... and the US is almost certainly going to recover enough hardware to determine what the balloon's general capabilities were.

It's the naturally occurring stupidity of dictatorships and fascist governments. They get so used to everyone in their own country being too afraid to question anything they say, they forget how to convincingly lie to anyone outside their country, and throw little tantrums when the rest of the world calls them on their childish bullshiat excuses.


You can see this in a small way when arguing with Chinese trolls in the Internet. They can't imagine things they believe to be true aren't, and start arguing about the definition of words. One claimed it was ridiculous that any country would have a monument to a bad thing they did and shut up after I linked to the Kent State memorial.

Talking to people from China in real life is quite different, but those aren't the people the PRC pays to flood the zone with bullshiat online.
 
2023-02-08 7:58:33 AM  
what if , study it out.. .the balloon was the chinese trying to return hunter biden's laptop. like some type of amazon drone.

let me stop before that becomes a talking point.
 
2023-02-08 7:58:57 AM  
You think you know but i know i know.
Now China is working with us to hide the truth.
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2023-02-08 8:05:36 AM  
We joke, but it would be the ultimate troll if they had loaded it with Hunter pics knowing it would be shot down and analyzed.
 
2023-02-08 8:08:02 AM  
I don't get what the big deal is, we're just going to want to blow up another Chinese spy balloon in a week or two.
 
2023-02-08 8:13:25 AM  

Unsung_Hero: I really don't understand what game China is playing when they officially complain that the US downed something that was illegally in US airspace.  Nor does it seem particularly wise to continue to claim it was a meteorological instrumentation package drifting on the wind when it had been observed to have some navigation capability and China never informed the US of the balloon prior to it being spotted... and the US is almost certainly going to recover enough hardware to determine what the balloon's general capabilities were.


It feels weirdly like the KGB/Bannon playbook. Accuse. Accuse. Accuse.

The game seems to be: Create the alternate truth, hard. Commit to it. The truth sucks anyway.

Gaslighting is cheap. It costs only your reputation with your enemies--so ::shrug::. And it gives your coward-friends 'official' cover.
Coward-friends who use your obvious lies as cover for their support of you reveal themselves as your friends, and they further cement their commitment to your backside every time they publicly gobble your bs.
 
2023-02-08 8:34:35 AM  

Flowery Twats: Somebody is going to have fun going through that wreckage...

Not sure what China's game is here. They now know the party's over, at least in the US. As far as balloon observation is concerned, it's open season...


What do you mean they know?  There are other balloons heading here as we speak, and the government knows it.  This wasn't an "Oops!"
 
2023-02-08 8:35:21 AM  

Unsung_Hero: I really don't understand what game China is playing when they officially complain that the US downed something that was illegally in US airspace.  Nor does it seem particularly wise to continue to claim it was a meteorological instrumentation package drifting on the wind when it had been observed to have some navigation capability and China never informed the US of the balloon prior to it being spotted... and the US is almost certainly going to recover enough hardware to determine what the balloon's general capabilities were.


Arrogance.
"We do what we want. How dare you interfere with that?"
 
2023-02-08 8:36:22 AM  

Unsung_Hero: I really don't understand what game China is playing when they officially complain that the US downed something that was illegally in US airspace.  Nor does it seem particularly wise to continue to claim it was a meteorological instrumentation package drifting on the wind when it had been observed to have some navigation capability and China never informed the US of the balloon prior to it being spotted... and the US is almost certainly going to recover enough hardware to determine what the balloon's general capabilities were.


Balloons do not have navigation abilities.  The thought itself is risible.
 
2023-02-08 8:37:41 AM  
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2023-02-08 8:39:11 AM  
I'm in Rudy's guest bathroom, sandwiched between two issues of Redbook from 1992.
 
2023-02-08 8:49:07 AM  
YixilTesiphon:
You can see this in a small way when arguing with Chinese trolls in the Internet. They can't imagine things they believe to be true aren't, and start arguing about the definition of words. One claimed it was ridiculous that any country would have a monument to a bad thing they did and shut up after I linked to the Kent State memorial.

Not to mention every Confederate statue and memorial out there.
 
2023-02-08 8:51:49 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: Unsung_Hero: I really don't understand what game China is playing when they officially complain that the US downed something that was illegally in US airspace.  Nor does it seem particularly wise to continue to claim it was a meteorological instrumentation package drifting on the wind when it had been observed to have some navigation capability and China never informed the US of the balloon prior to it being spotted... and the US is almost certainly going to recover enough hardware to determine what the balloon's general capabilities were.

Balloons do not have navigation abilities.  The thought itself is risible.


"We saw it do that. It loitered over certain sites. It went left, right. We saw it maneuver inside the jet stream. That's how it was operating," the official said, adding that the craft had propellers and rudders.

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2023-02-08 8:51:53 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: Unsung_Hero: I really don't understand what game China is playing when they officially complain that the US downed something that was illegally in US airspace.  Nor does it seem particularly wise to continue to claim it was a meteorological instrumentation package drifting on the wind when it had been observed to have some navigation capability and China never informed the US of the balloon prior to it being spotted... and the US is almost certainly going to recover enough hardware to determine what the balloon's general capabilities were.


Balloons do not have navigation abilities.  The thought itself is risible.


"Although China's Ministry of Foreign Affairs quickly claimed that the object is merely a civilian weather observatory blown off course, later on Friday, the Pentagon press secretary, Air Force Brigadier General Patrick Ryder, held a press briefing where he stated, "We know that it's a surveillance balloon.... We know this is a Chinese balloon and that it has the ability to maneuver."

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/chinese-spy-balloon-has-unexpected-maneuverability/
 
2023-02-08 8:52:07 AM  

Hunter Biden's Laptop: I'm in Rudy's guest bathroom, sandwiched between two issues of Redbook from 1992.


Yeah?  Well, go wash off all of the fentanyl.  Nobody's getting near you until that happens.
 
2023-02-08 9:08:08 AM  
Legal Eagle has a great breakdown of international laws and 'weather balloons'.
Chinese Spy Balloon: Legal To Shoot Down?
Youtube P43wVDiZs8k
 
2023-02-08 9:09:23 AM  

Unsung_Hero: I really don't understand what game China is playing when they officially complain that the US downed something that was illegally in US airspace.  Nor does it seem particularly wise to continue to claim it was a meteorological instrumentation package drifting on the wind when it had been observed to have some navigation capability and China never informed the US of the balloon prior to it being spotted... and the US is almost certainly going to recover enough hardware to determine what the balloon's general capabilities were.


Because we shot down the balloon over their disputed territorial waterways known as the Eastern Seaboard?
 
2023-02-08 9:14:05 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: Unsung_Hero: I really don't understand what game China is playing when they officially complain that the US downed something that was illegally in US airspace.  Nor does it seem particularly wise to continue to claim it was a meteorological instrumentation package drifting on the wind when it had been observed to have some navigation capability and China never informed the US of the balloon prior to it being spotted... and the US is almost certainly going to recover enough hardware to determine what the balloon's general capabilities were.

Balloons do not have navigation abilities.  The thought itself is risible.


https://youtu.be/HrcbCW4y9Dw?t=195
 
2023-02-08 9:15:31 AM  
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2023-02-08 9:36:38 AM  

Unsung_Hero: I really don't understand what game China is playing when they officially complain that the US downed something that was illegally in US airspace.  Nor does it seem particularly wise to continue to claim it was a meteorological instrumentation package drifting on the wind when it had been observed to have some navigation capability and China never informed the US of the balloon prior to it being spotted... and the US is almost certainly going to recover enough hardware to determine what the balloon's general capabilities were.


Legal Eagle has a good primer on probably why China responded the way they did. Basically it boils down to China trying to play legalistic games to appear like they weren't doing anything wrong. In other words, PR.

Chinese Spy Balloon: Legal To Shoot Down?
Youtube P43wVDiZs8k
 
2023-02-08 9:39:40 AM  
Oh look, an American civilian balloon "invaded" Chinese airspace back in 2020. http://qrp-labs.com/flights/u4b6.html
 
2023-02-08 9:49:58 AM  

puckrock2000: Marcus Aurelius: Unsung_Hero: I really don't understand what game China is playing when they officially complain that the US downed something that was illegally in US airspace.  Nor does it seem particularly wise to continue to claim it was a meteorological instrumentation package drifting on the wind when it had been observed to have some navigation capability and China never informed the US of the balloon prior to it being spotted... and the US is almost certainly going to recover enough hardware to determine what the balloon's general capabilities were.

Balloons do not have navigation abilities.  The thought itself is risible.

"We saw it do that. It loitered over certain sites. It went left, right. We saw it maneuver inside the jet stream. That's how it was operating," the official said, adding that the craft had propellers and rudders.

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2023-02-08 9:51:09 AM  

puckrock2000: Marcus Aurelius: Unsung_Hero: I really don't understand what game China is playing when they officially complain that the US downed something that was illegally in US airspace.  Nor does it seem particularly wise to continue to claim it was a meteorological instrumentation package drifting on the wind when it had been observed to have some navigation capability and China never informed the US of the balloon prior to it being spotted... and the US is almost certainly going to recover enough hardware to determine what the balloon's general capabilities were.

Balloons do not have navigation abilities.  The thought itself is risible.

"We saw it do that. It loitered over certain sites. It went left, right. We saw it maneuver inside the jet stream. That's how it was operating," the official said, adding that the craft had propellers and rudders.

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Though safety must be a priority, it's a bit of a shame that the balloon had to be downed over such a deep part of the ocean. I think the balloon would be fascinating to reverse engineer.

As to the equipment it carried, I can easily believe either that it was genuine spy equipment or that it was a profoundly stupid attempt to study world meteorological conditions without first gaining the appropriate cooperation from other world governments and scientists. Either could be true. Neither warrants blind panic at this juncture.
 
2023-02-08 10:26:06 AM  
Bruscar:
Though safety must be a priority, it's a bit of a shame that the balloon had to be downed over such a deep part of the ocean. I think the balloon would be fascinating to reverse engineer.

The debris landed in about 47 feet of water, a relatively shallow site that a salvage ship and divers will investigate in the coming days.
 
2023-02-08 10:27:04 AM  
Why are they using an Iraq Destroyer as a boat?
 
2023-02-08 10:54:39 AM  

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Please I'm from the great State of Missouri, our rednecks wouldn't be throwing a beer bottle at a Chinese balloon. it would be an empty can of Natty Lite and a meth pipe.

That is of course if they didn't just shoot it, not because they had any idea it was an enemy intelligence device, just because ya know they have guns, ammo, they're drunk and... it's just sorta floating up there.

Honestly, they'd be doing the guy looking at the surveillance a favor, that poor guy probably just spent the last week looking over the aerial images of corn, windmills and "Jesus" billboards that we call Kansas, and then there's Illinois to our East.
 
2023-02-08 11:00:16 AM  
They didn't just send anybody with a camera and say "Get some pics of this". Those pics are excellent. Whoever took them knew what they were doing and how to adjust for lighting. Or at least that's my impression, because my pics with a back light never look anything close to that.
 
2023-02-08 11:19:37 AM  
As someone who's got some SCUBA SAR experience, if they had a team of trained divers, say 40-50 people, working in groups of 4, they will have already completely canvased their "15 football field" search area, have pulled up and geolocated anything movable by hand, marked medium sized pieces, and set floats to the big stuff.

Floating debris of any size was most likely picked up right away by the surface vessels. Super light material like mylar or small envelope fragments probably took an hour or more to settle down to the water and I have no expertise there.

Long story short, we've collected pretty much everything already, and they're slowly releasing the photos while they investigate and stage the pieces into a reconstruction.

My guess? Really high end multispectral imaging equipment and lidar, good for civil and spy use, so the plausible deniability will be strong with this one. I'd still shoot the next one down, but this time right as it enters our airspace, with the threat that the next one we see heading off the mainland of china will be treated as an intentional incoming attack.
 
2023-02-08 12:57:31 PM  
It was sent by Baidu to update their map application, just like Google driving cars around.
Cheaper and better for the environment.
 
2023-02-08 1:01:16 PM  

DrEMHmrk2: As someone who's got some SCUBA SAR experience, if they had a team of trained divers, say 40-50 people...



It's the Navy.

They have a few trained divers.
 
2023-02-08 3:26:01 PM  
Maybe Hunter snorted it. Or smoked it.
 
2023-02-08 3:34:00 PM  

DrEMHmrk2: As someone who's got some SCUBA SAR experience, if they had a team of trained divers, say 40-50 people, working in groups of 4, they will have already completely canvased their "15 football field" search area, have pulled up and geolocated anything movable by hand, marked medium sized pieces, and set floats to the big stuff.

Floating debris of any size was most likely picked up right away by the surface vessels. Super light material like mylar or small envelope fragments probably took an hour or more to settle down to the water and I have no expertise there.

Long story short, we've collected pretty much everything already, and they're slowly releasing the photos while they investigate and stage the pieces into a reconstruction.

My guess? Really high end multispectral imaging equipment and lidar, good for civil and spy use, so the plausible deniability will be strong with this one. I'd still shoot the next one down, but this time right as it enters our airspace, with the threat that the next one we see heading off the mainland of china will be treated as an intentional incoming attack.


Three things I'd be curious about:

1)  What kind of construction did the payload have?  Low observable materials?  Was it built rugged, like it was meant to take battle damage or heavy impacts?  Any anti-tampering equipment that would erase or destruct the data?

ii) What kind of instruments did it have?  Optical cameras?  Thermal imaging sensors?  Or lots of multi-frequency radio receivers?

C) Because there has to be a C.
 
2023-02-08 6:40:43 PM  

Diocletian's Last Cabbage: DrEMHmrk2: As someone who's got some SCUBA SAR experience, if they had a team of trained divers, say 40-50 people, working in groups of 4, they will have already completely canvased their "15 football field" search area, have pulled up and geolocated anything movable by hand, marked medium sized pieces, and set floats to the big stuff.

Floating debris of any size was most likely picked up right away by the surface vessels. Super light material like mylar or small envelope fragments probably took an hour or more to settle down to the water and I have no expertise there.

Long story short, we've collected pretty much everything already, and they're slowly releasing the photos while they investigate and stage the pieces into a reconstruction.

My guess? Really high end multispectral imaging equipment and lidar, good for civil and spy use, so the plausible deniability will be strong with this one. I'd still shoot the next one down, but this time right as it enters our airspace, with the threat that the next one we see heading off the mainland of china will be treated as an intentional incoming attack.

Three things I'd be curious about:

1)  What kind of construction did the payload have?  Low observable materials?  Was it built rugged, like it was meant to take battle damage or heavy impacts?  Any anti-tampering equipment that would erase or destruct the data?

ii) What kind of instruments did it have?  Optical cameras?  Thermal imaging sensors?  Or lots of multi-frequency radio receivers?

C) Because there has to be a C.


1, ii, C

Got it!
 
2023-02-08 6:51:38 PM  
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2023-02-08 8:32:18 PM  
I don't understand why they didn't just shoot some holes in it will bullets instead of blowing it up with a missle.  Maybe none of the jets for that altitude have bullets?  Few good holes in the balloon and it would have slowly descended, could have been easily recovered with all the electronics intact.
 
2023-02-08 9:23:31 PM  

SamLowryDZ-015: I don't understand why they didn't just shoot some holes in it will bullets instead of blowing it up with a missle.  Maybe none of the jets for that altitude have bullets?  Few good holes in the balloon and it would have slowly descended, could have been easily recovered with all the electronics intact.


What are you going on about? It was brought down with one shot, over the ocean in 47 ft of water. Nobody was under it but a bunch of eager beaver military types. No civilians involved, secure perimeter and payload retrieved. Probably already completely stripped, reversed engineered and all data sent to our allies.
 
2023-02-08 9:48:40 PM  

bucket_pup: SamLowryDZ-015: I don't understand why they didn't just shoot some holes in it will bullets instead of blowing it up with a missle.  Maybe none of the jets for that altitude have bullets?  Few good holes in the balloon and it would have slowly descended, could have been easily recovered with all the electronics intact.

What are you going on about? It was brought down with one shot, over the ocean in 47 ft of water. Nobody was under it but a bunch of eager beaver military types. No civilians involved, secure perimeter and payload retrieved. Probably already completely stripped, reversed engineered and all data sent to our allies.


It should have been shot down days ago in sparsely-populated Montana.  It might have taken out a vow.  Oh no!
 
2023-02-08 9:52:51 PM  

SamLowryDZ-015: I don't understand why they didn't just shoot some holes in it will bullets instead of blowing it up with a missle.  Maybe none of the jets for that altitude have bullets?  Few good holes in the balloon and it would have slowly descended, could have been easily recovered with all the electronics intact.


1. The balloon was at about 60,000 feet, which is beyond the range of most fighters. They wouldn't be able to get close enough to shoot it with bullets, which is why they had to use a missile.
ii. At that altitude, atmospheric pressure is so low that a few holes in the canopy wouldn't make much difference. It would take days or weeks for it to descend at that rate. The only way to bring it down quickly is to destroy the canopy.
C. Because there's always C.
 
2023-02-08 10:07:50 PM  

puckrock2000: SamLowryDZ-015: I don't understand why they didn't just shoot some holes in it will bullets instead of blowing it up with a missle.  Maybe none of the jets for that altitude have bullets?  Few good holes in the balloon and it would have slowly descended, could have been easily recovered with all the electronics intact.

1. The balloon was at about 60,000 feet, which is beyond the range of most fighters. They wouldn't be able to get close enough to shoot it with bullets, which is why they had to use a missile.
ii. At that altitude, atmospheric pressure is so low that a few holes in the canopy wouldn't make much difference. It would take days or weeks for it to descend at that rate. The only way to bring it down quickly is to destroy the canopy.
C. Because there's always C.


Whereas I just saw it as an opportunity to hire some university CS and Engineering students into robotics to make a hybrid drone/micro-dirigible that could ascend to a matching altitude, grab the balloon, then start shredding, lowering it at whatever rate you desire between 'snail pace' to 'plummet', and even steering it on the way down.
 
2023-02-09 10:53:29 AM  

Dr Jack Badofsky: bucket_pup: SamLowryDZ-015: I don't understand why they didn't just shoot some holes in it will bullets instead of blowing it up with a missle.  Maybe none of the jets for that altitude have bullets?  Few good holes in the balloon and it would have slowly descended, could have been easily recovered with all the electronics intact.

What are you going on about? It was brought down with one shot, over the ocean in 47 ft of water. Nobody was under it but a bunch of eager beaver military types. No civilians involved, secure perimeter and payload retrieved. Probably already completely stripped, reversed engineered and all data sent to our allies.

It should have been shot down days ago in sparsely-populated Montana.  It might have taken out a vow.  Oh no!


But then we lose any opportunity to observe it's ability to move, transmit data, frequency used to upload the dats, how to jam it, etc. Collect what we need and then broom it. Honestly, you just hate Dark Brandon 😃, right?
 
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