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(Internal Revenue Service)   IRS targets rich fat cats with new measures to make sure they pay their fair share. I mean waitresses. Waiters and waitresses and bartenders need to pay their fair share. SITCA will assure fairness, absolutely it will   (irs.gov) divider line
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felching pen [TotalFark]
2023-02-07 9:29:24 PM  
"The proposed SITCA program is designed to take advantage of advancements in point-of-sale, time and attendance systems, and electronic payment settlement methods to improve tip reporting compliance."

The IRS wants to catch up with POS and payroll technology and combine three tip reporting programs into one so they can better monitor the employers. What's the bad news for the employees? Tips are already reported and taxed, especially since so much tipping is done on credit card and in-app purchases.
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Red Shirt Blues
2023-02-08 1:22:40 AM  
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Mrtraveler01
2023-02-08 1:24:12 AM  

felching pen: POS and payroll technology


I always thought that was an unfortunate acronym.
 
Red Shirt Blues
2023-02-08 1:27:13 AM  

felching pen: The IRS wants to catch up with POS and payroll technology and combine three tip reporting programs into one so they can better monitor the employers.


As someone who has dealt with the IRS for 30 years...the day the IRS does any of the above with a fairly contemporary software package in a timely fashion I'll...I'll...well I don't know what I'll do but it will be something.
 
DarkSoulNoHope
2023-02-08 1:37:48 AM  

Mrtraveler01: felching pen: POS and payroll technology

I always thought that was an unfortunate acronym.


It's a pretty accurate acronym, considering how unreliable registers are!
 
Moose out front
2023-02-08 1:40:33 AM  
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olorin604
2023-02-08 1:41:44 AM  

DarkSoulNoHope: Mrtraveler01: felching pen: POS and payroll technology

I always thought that was an unfortunate acronym.

It's a pretty accurate acronym, considering how unreliable registers are!


I'm sure there are retailers out there that have updated their pos this millennium, I have just never worked for any of them
 
Hey Nurse! [OhFark]
2023-02-08 1:43:23 AM  

Hinged: You voted for it.


Yes, I did. Is there something wrong with wanting everyone to pay their taxes? I get taxed based on my hourly wage. Why shouldn't a bartender?
 
sex_and_drugs_for_ian [BareFark]
2023-02-08 2:03:03 AM  

Hey Nurse!: Is there something wrong with wanting everyone to pay their taxes? I get taxed based on my hourly wage. Why shouldn't a bartender?


Bartenders should pay taxes on the income that they report, just like everybody else.
 
Ganon D. Mire
2023-02-08 2:07:24 AM  
When you sign the credit card slip, indicate that you did not tip...
...but do tip...
...cash.
 
KB202
2023-02-08 2:12:36 AM  
It would be nice if this led to all tipped employees saying fark this, if I'm getting taxed on all income, I want it as a regular full time salary with benefits.
But I have a bad feeling that they will just complain about the IRS meeting *its* responsibilities instead of demanding that employers meet theirs.
 
sex_and_drugs_for_ian [BareFark]
2023-02-08 2:18:57 AM  

Ganon D. Mire: When you sign the credit card slip, indicate that you did not tip...
...but do tip...
...cash.


Besides a fat cash tip, I'll also give servers a measly dollar on the official tip line to give them something to point to as earnings.

These guys work hard and deserve all the help they can get.
 
missiv
2023-02-08 2:36:04 AM  

sex_and_drugs_for_ian: Ganon D. Mire: When you sign the credit card slip, indicate that you did not tip...
...but do tip...
...cash.

Besides a fat cash tip, I'll also give servers a measly dollar on the official tip line to give them something to point to as earnings.

These guys work hard and deserve all the help they can get.


Polite societies practice these things. My wife and I over tip all the time in cash. One customer can make a shift worth working. Think about two customer?  I find it odd, people finding ways to fark over hard working people. Is every one a closet TFG?
/worked in the service industry.
//everyone's beak needs to get wet.
 
pacified
2023-02-08 3:07:01 AM  
But is it woke?
 
Cajnik [OhFark]
2023-02-08 3:14:34 AM  
So they are not reporting my 10% cash tip?
 
Tom Marvolo Bombadil
2023-02-08 3:52:04 AM  

Ganon D. Mire: When you sign the credit card slip, indicate that you did not tip...
...but do tip...
...cash.


ia tip with dogecoin
 
Night Train to Wakanda
2023-02-08 4:01:45 AM  

Hey Nurse!: Hinged: You voted for it.

Yes, I did. Is there something wrong with wanting everyone to pay their taxes? I get taxed based on my hourly wage. Why shouldn't a bartender?


Because they're not the problem with societal moors being what they are, it's why no one wants to farking give you service if you don't automatically tip 10% before you even know what service you are getting.
 
Night Train to Wakanda
2023-02-08 4:03:30 AM  

Ganon D. Mire: When you sign the credit card slip, indicate that you did not tip...
...but do tip...
...cash.


ia thought this was universally understood?

You give straight cash under the table, the IRS can't tax it, and that cintinues the path of low hourly wages but exceeded by excessive tips.

At least now we are going to a European centric way of tipping, in that we don't. And wait staff are given a larger share.
 
tekmo
2023-02-08 4:13:47 AM  

sex_and_drugs_for_ian: Besides a fat cash tip, I'll also give servers a measly dollar on the official tip line to give them something to point to as earnings.


Spouse & I always cash tip, but it never occurred to me that we should be putting $1 on the official tip line. Genius.

Thanks for hippin' me, dude.
 
dhume
2023-02-08 4:28:34 AM  

Hey Nurse!: Hinged: You voted for it.
Yes, I did. Is there something wrong with wanting everyone to pay their taxes? I get taxed based on my hourly wage. Why shouldn't a bartender?


You're doing a service with a previously set price.  If I"m a whore, then what I earn with my extra talents should be mine alone.
 
Warrior Kermit
2023-02-08 5:25:59 AM  

dhume: Hey Nurse!: Hinged: You voted for it.
Yes, I did. Is there something wrong with wanting everyone to pay their taxes? I get taxed based on my hourly wage. Why shouldn't a bartender?

You're doing a service with a previously set price.  If I"m a whore, then what I earn with my extra talents should be mine alone.


No, what you earn is what you pay taxes on as far as job goes.
 
a_room_with_a_moose
2023-02-08 6:06:34 AM  

Ganon D. Mire: When you sign the credit card slip, indicate that you did not tip...
...but do tip...
...cash.


This is what I do. Except I just write "cash" in the tip line. If they want to report ten cents or ten dollars, it's up to them.

What I hope this does is keeps the employers honest. I've seen some shady f*ckery in the past.
 
dryknife
2023-02-08 6:20:35 AM  
"Just the tip."
 
TTFK
2023-02-08 6:30:39 AM  

Mrtraveler01: felching pen: POS and payroll technology

I always thought that was an unfortunate acronym.


Back in the days of the TRS-80, there was a data management package known as AIDS.
 
baron von doodle [OhFark]
2023-02-08 6:38:15 AM  

tekmo: sex_and_drugs_for_ian: Besides a fat cash tip, I'll also give servers a measly dollar on the official tip line to give them something to point to as earnings.

Spouse & I always cash tip, but it never occurred to me that we should be putting $1 on the official tip line. Genius.

Thanks for hippin' me, dude.


It doesn't really matter. As long as they claim above a certain percentage to avoid the programs looking for outliers, no one will notice. It's usually 10%, but I've been told at a couple jobs to go with 12. It gives you padding if your math is a bit off and keeps you from claiming right above the threshold which is another way to get busted. Just ask Santos about the $199.99 campaign checks. Idiot.
 
I May Be Crazy But...
2023-02-08 6:53:18 AM  

Mrtraveler01: felching pen: POS and payroll technology

I always thought that was an unfortunate acronym.


I work in a job in credit card processing.  I have learned not to snicker at that.

Of course, some of them are pretty bad, making them a POS for sure.
 
StoPPeRmobile
2023-02-08 6:54:55 AM  

Hey Nurse!: Hinged: You voted for it.

Yes, I did. Is there something wrong with wanting everyone to pay their taxes? I get taxed based on my hourly wage. Why shouldn't a bartender?


Seems like there would be less bartenders after this brilliant idea. So how will that squeeze any more money out of that profession?
 
skiinstructor
2023-02-08 6:55:24 AM  
Used to get tips all the time for doing a good private ski lesson. Since we were bought out (twice) by a huge corporation, they tripled the price of a lesson, which means theres a lot less tipping going on. Our wages were bumped up too so no real complaints i mean cmon, theyre paying me pretty well to share my passion for skiing with others, paying me to go out and do something i love.
  I also captain a tour boat, tips are dependent on giving an entertaining tour and my first mate handling the passengers well, and even then tipping tends to happen along cultural lines, some tourists tip and some don't, its very hit and miss.

I say i earned my tips by going the extra mile for my customers, so keep your filthy farking hands out of my pocket, i already pay taxes on my earnings.
 
I May Be Crazy But...
2023-02-08 7:02:16 AM  

skiinstructor: Used to get tips all the time for doing a good private ski lesson. Since we were bought out (twice) by a huge corporation, they tripled the price of a lesson, which means theres a lot less tipping going on. Our wages were bumped up too so no real complaints i mean cmon, theyre paying me pretty well to share my passion for skiing with others, paying me to go out and do something i love.
  I also captain a tour boat, tips are dependent on giving an entertaining tour and my first mate handling the passengers well, and even then tipping tends to happen along cultural lines, some tourists tip and some don't, its very hit and miss.

I say i earned my tips by going the extra mile for my customers, so keep your filthy farking hands out of my pocket, i already pay taxes on my earnings.


Will you argue the same for my annual bonus?  I earned that by going above and beyond (in theory anyway).  So it shouldn't be taxed.

Then will you argue that the rich CEO shouldn't be taxed on his obscene annual bonus - they say it's based on the same idea as my annual bonus and your tips.
 
I May Be Crazy But...
2023-02-08 7:04:32 AM  

I May Be Crazy But...: skiinstructor: Used to get tips all the time for doing a good private ski lesson. Since we were bought out (twice) by a huge corporation, they tripled the price of a lesson, which means theres a lot less tipping going on. Our wages were bumped up too so no real complaints i mean cmon, theyre paying me pretty well to share my passion for skiing with others, paying me to go out and do something i love.
  I also captain a tour boat, tips are dependent on giving an entertaining tour and my first mate handling the passengers well, and even then tipping tends to happen along cultural lines, some tourists tip and some don't, its very hit and miss.

I say i earned my tips by going the extra mile for my customers, so keep your filthy farking hands out of my pocket, i already pay taxes on my earnings.

Will you argue the same for my annual bonus?  I earned that by going above and beyond (in theory anyway).  So it shouldn't be taxed.

Then will you argue that the rich CEO shouldn't be taxed on his obscene annual bonus - they say it's based on the same idea as my annual bonus and your tips.


To be clear, I think you should pay taxes on tips.  I also don't see how it's worth it to the IRS to enforce it.
 
Rapmaster2000
2023-02-08 7:16:56 AM  
The complaints about fat cats getting richy rich with regards to the IRS are a bit off the mark.  The major problems with the wealthy and taxation are:

1.  A lower rate on capital gains earnings.
2.  A 20% rate on qualified dividends.
3.  Marginal income taxation rates that have been lowered under every Republican president since 1980.
4.  Deductions for mortgage interest and property taxes on a second come (you could almost include primary home here since the more expensive a home you purchase, the more lucrative the deduction).

The IRS can't change those things.  It can only do its job the best that it can and the way you measure that is through how well it maximizes collections with the least amount of effort.  Automating a tax collection function does that.
 
LoneVVolf
2023-02-08 7:46:40 AM  
Good.  Maybe the US is getting closer to joining the civilized world, where servers are paid fair wages, restaurants charge what the food/service actually costs, and customers aren't guilt tripped into subsidizing servers through an ambiguous charity donation at the end of the meal.
 
OtherLittleGuy [BareFark]
2023-02-08 7:49:27 AM  
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GhostOfSavageHenry
2023-02-08 7:59:46 AM  
Oh no, we desperately need to raise money for the defense of the country!! I know let's, try to squeeze some out of this rock, in lieu of that pile of billionaire tax evasion money just sitting there.

You know, since so much of our taxes go toward our defense it would be safe to say wealthy tax cheats are in fact traitors to the nations defense. These deadbeats are putting yours and your children at risk and need to be held accountable.
 
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2023-02-08 8:07:29 AM  
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Jim_Tressel's_O-Face
2023-02-08 8:08:27 AM  

felching pen: "The proposed SITCA program is designed to take advantage of advancements in point-of-sale, time and attendance systems, and electronic payment settlement methods to improve tip reporting compliance."

The IRS wants to catch up with POS and payroll technology and combine three tip reporting programs into one so they can better monitor the employers. What's the bad news for the employees? Tips are already reported and taxed, especially since so much tipping is done on credit card and in-app purchases.
But, hey, never waste an opportunity to screech - see the Focks News link uplist, if it's still there, it's masterful deep.


Yes, but why should I listen to things like 'facts' and 'reality' when I can just double-down on my vibe-based brand?
 
Rapmaster2000
2023-02-08 8:21:00 AM  

GhostOfSavageHenry: You know, since so much of our taxes go toward our defense it would be safe to say wealthy tax cheats are in fact traitors to the nations defense.


They aren't cheats.  They're paying what they're required to pay... which isn't very much.  The effective tax rate on a billionaire is lower than that of a server, and that's not the IRS's fault.  Those "loopholes" you hear about?  Those are deductions.  They're in the tax code which is created by the legislature.
 
Catsaregreen
2023-02-08 8:25:17 AM  
Whenever possible, I like to pay my restaurant in cash (or at least leave the tip part in cash). I actually hope that the server doesn't report the cash to anyone.

As Ronaldo Maginumus said: "America doesn't have a revenue problem, it has a spending problem."
 
Avigdore
2023-02-08 8:38:37 AM  

missiv: I find it odd, people finding ways to fark over hard working people.


Why do you believe that expecting hard working people to pay their fair share of taxes, like other hard working people do, is 'finding ways to fark' them over?
 
Obscene_CNN
2023-02-08 9:00:58 AM  
What the hell did you think Biden was going to do with the 87,000 IRS workers he had hired? He would only need 1000 to go after the rich. This is just like Obamacare turning the IRS loose on the working poor all over again.
 
Obscene_CNN
2023-02-08 9:06:36 AM  

missiv: sex_and_drugs_for_ian: Ganon D. Mire: When you sign the credit card slip, indicate that you did not tip...
...but do tip...
...cash.

Besides a fat cash tip, I'll also give servers a measly dollar on the official tip line to give them something to point to as earnings.

These guys work hard and deserve all the help they can get.

Polite societies practice these things. My wife and I over tip all the time in cash. One customer can make a shift worth working. Think about two customer?  I find it odd, people finding ways to fark over hard working people. Is every one a closet TFG?
/worked in the service industry.
//everyone's beak needs to get wet.


Farking over hard workers and buying votes from people that don't work is the democrat way.
 
Professor Horatio Hufnagel
2023-02-08 9:14:30 AM  
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/this thread is a trainwreck
 
Natalie Portmanteau
2023-02-08 9:25:52 AM  

Night Train to Wakanda: Hey Nurse!: Hinged: You voted for it.

Yes, I did. Is there something wrong with wanting everyone to pay their taxes? I get taxed based on my hourly wage. Why shouldn't a bartender?

Because they're not the problem with societal moors being what they are, it's why no one wants to farking give you service if you don't automatically tip 10% before you even know what service you are getting.


Societal mores.
Technically what you said also makes sense. But I don't think the moors are around anymore.
 
Natalie Portmanteau
2023-02-08 9:32:20 AM  

Rapmaster2000: GhostOfSavageHenry: You know, since so much of our taxes go toward our defense it would be safe to say wealthy tax cheats are in fact traitors to the nations defense.

They aren't cheats.  They're paying what they're required to pay... which isn't very much.  The effective tax rate on a billionaire is lower than that of a server, and that's not the IRS's fault.  Those "loopholes" you hear about?  Those are deductions.  They're in the tax code which is created by the legislature.


I think we can agree out taxation model is flawed and needs to be completely redone, yes?

Also not the IRS's fault.
 
GreenSun
2023-02-08 9:34:38 AM  
Hey, as long as Joe doesn't increase the tax rate for the middle class Americans right? He's doing a great job right? He's just making sure the IRS is able to vaccuum all the little tips and side gig money from the billionaires working in the service industry and little yardsales.

Good job Joe, greatest president ever seriously! I hope he becomes immortal so he could rule America and then the world! Let's all worship Infallible Joe! Woohoo!
 
DON.MAC [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-02-08 9:37:05 AM  

Ganon D. Mire: When you sign the credit card slip, indicate that you did not tip...
...but do tip...
...cash.


Put a tiny amount in the credit card and tip in cash.  The zero CC tip is assumed to be in cash.

Or just pay people the right amount and get rid of the stupid tipping system.  I can't understand why every bar in the USA has bartenders working for the customer and not the them.  Who get ripped off with over pours?  It isn' the one paying the real wages.

Tipping is one of the most racial and classist things around. I don't understand the total acceptance of it.
 
Tyrone Slothrop [TotalFark]
2023-02-08 9:43:25 AM  

Moose out front: [Fark user image image 850x605]


If they added the wage theft of underpaying employees while the employer becomes a billionaire, it would overwhelm everything else.
 
Tyrone Slothrop [TotalFark]
2023-02-08 9:48:10 AM  

Warrior Kermit: dhume: Hey Nurse!: Hinged: You voted for it.
Yes, I did. Is there something wrong with wanting everyone to pay their taxes? I get taxed based on my hourly wage. Why shouldn't a bartender?

You're doing a service with a previously set price.  If I"m a whore, then what I earn with my extra talents should be mine alone.

No, what you earn is what you pay taxes on as far as job goes.


Unless you're rich enough to afford accountants that can hide your money so you end up paying zero taxes, or better yet, have the government pay you.
 
Tyrone Slothrop [TotalFark]
2023-02-08 9:54:00 AM  

Rapmaster2000: The complaints about fat cats getting richy rich with regards to the IRS are a bit off the mark.  The major problems with the wealthy and taxation are:

1.  A lower rate on capital gains earnings.
2.  A 20% rate on qualified dividends.
3.  Marginal income taxation rates that have been lowered under every Republican president since 1980.
4.  Deductions for mortgage interest and property taxes on a second come (you could almost include primary home here since the more expensive a home you purchase, the more lucrative the deduction).

The IRS can't change those things.  It can only do its job the best that it can and the way you measure that is through how well it maximizes collections with the least amount of effort.  Automating a tax collection function does that.


You're missing the picture. Congress (mainly Republicans) have underfunded the IRS, so they only go after middle/low class people, because rich people can afford pay years who can drag out cases for years, and accountants that can hide money so the IRS can't find it. As usual, America has a two-tier justice system, one for the wealthy, and one for everyone else.
 
Tyrone Slothrop [TotalFark]
2023-02-08 9:57:06 AM  

Catsaregreen: Whenever possible, I like to pay my restaurant in cash (or at least leave the tip part in cash). I actually hope that the server doesn't report the cash to anyone.

As Ronaldo Maginumus said: "America doesn't have a revenue problem, it has a spending problem."


Ronald Reagan was a piece of shiat who put America on the path to bankruptcy.
 
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