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(Onion AV Club)   With the continued fragmentation of services and seemingly arbitrary removal of content from platforms, physical media is more important than ever in today's streaming era   (avclub.com) divider line
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589 clicks; posted to Entertainment » on 08 Feb 2023 at 1:30 AM (7 weeks ago)   |   Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook



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2023-02-07 8:32:47 PM  
Plus, UHD discs in Dolby Vision with Dolby Atmos on a nice OLED set with a decent sound system look and sound amazing.

/drtfa
 
2023-02-07 8:44:39 PM  
Oh great. Just when I threw out all of my VHS tapes and DVDs.

I have versions of Spinal Tap and A Hard Day's Night on CD. They are grainy and pixelated, and require REALVIDEO to view but..... Are those still useful?
 
2023-02-07 9:06:42 PM  
All the overhead of producing physical copies padded the bottom line, but of course that isn't enough, so companies will gatekeep and paywall to their heart's content.

Consumer rights?

Pfft. Lame.
 
2023-02-07 11:42:17 PM  
I've never graduated my physical media past DVD. I'm not especially fussy about sound or image quality. I'm a 70s kid. My TV barely qualifies as HD, it's a Sony Bravia LCD pushing almost 20 years old. Don't even own a blueray device.

The reality is there are vanishingly few pieces of visual media that are really worth owning in any format. I think the last DVDs I really cared to have were LOTRs specials.

With streaming I have ready access to most things. Occasionally I'll rent one off iTunes if I can't find it streaming anywhere.

To buy anything means it's not consistently available streaming, and I know I'll want to watch it often. Nowadays that's mostly old 80s movies that aren't always available. For example the last one I bought from Apple was the Last Starfighter. IIRC it was $3.99 to rent, $13.99 to buy. I've already watched it enough times since buying it to have made that a cost-effective choice.

All that goes out the window for music. I'm in the iTunes garden and I prefer to buy over stream. I back up often to protect from Apple's chicanery, because they will pull songs you bought from your library on their database. They don't actively delete the files you have, but if you get a new machine and download your files from them they won't be there.

I had a sizable library of tunes imported from CD's before going online only so I always do new machine imports from my backups instead of from Apple anyway.
 
2023-02-08 12:04:01 AM  

Boudyro: I've never graduated my physical media past DVD. I'm not especially fussy about sound or image quality. I'm a 70s kid. My TV barely qualifies as HD, it's a Sony Bravia LCD pushing almost 20 years old. Don't even own a blueray device.

The reality is there are vanishingly few pieces of visual media that are really worth owning in any format. I think the last DVDs I really cared to have were LOTRs specials.



I just want to say the conjunction of these two statements is hilarious.
 
2023-02-08 1:50:05 AM  

2fardownthread: Oh great. Just when I threw out all of my VHS tapes and DVDs.

I have versions of Spinal Tap and A Hard Day's Night on CD. They are grainy and pixelated, and require REALVIDEO to view but..... Are those still useful?


Yes. Make copies
 
2023-02-08 2:17:29 AM  
You can pry my Criterion collection from my cold, dead hands. Yes, I know Criterion has a streaming service. One of the reasons I've bought the physical media, though, is that a lot of the packaging design is quite lovely. They look perfectly at home on my shelf alongside the dead tree books.
 
2023-02-08 2:18:45 AM  
Is this an ad for DVD-Rs? I have piles and piles of CD-R and CD-RWs that are basically trash. They SUCKED as long term storage.

The article misses the obvious solution: Pirate everything, preferably on 2 different raid devices.

When the world collapses, I'll still be watching every Tom and Jerry, classic Goofy cartoons, and Star Trek episodes ever made.

I still need the original full length 3 stooges movies. The hacked, edited, bastardized versions they show on TV today just frustrate me.
 
2023-02-08 2:43:03 AM  
Still waiting for Shorsey on bluray.
 
2023-02-08 2:48:41 AM  
Yo ho ho. I watch what I want.
 
2023-02-08 3:00:08 AM  
Yeah I've been saying that for years: unless you're in it for the Netflix Originals or recent blockbusters, streaming sucks because most of the time they don't have what I want to watch, and if they do have it now, they may take it off later.

I can watch any video on any format i want to (except 32mm film; I don't have anything that can handle that, and I don't have any films anyway). Well, the Umatic, V2000, and VHD players need work (I'm lazy and don't have any format exclusives on these so it's not pressing), but the rest are fine. I can't even find half of what I have on the average streaming services.

Even if you have physical media, make copies. I have several DVD sets where at least one of the discs has succumbed to some form of bit rot. I should get one of those Domesday Project LD adapters.
 
2023-02-08 3:55:30 AM  
I'm cool: I can hum and/or whistle the audio and summarize the video enough to get the gist across to the first generation of the After Times. They will be entertained.
 
2023-02-08 4:27:42 AM  
Plex is a great alternative. You can rip your videos to a PC in your house and use it as a Plex server.
 
2023-02-08 6:47:00 AM  
Joke's on them. I'm building my own internet!
 
2023-02-08 7:22:19 AM  

Commander Lysdexic: Yo ho ho. I watch what I want.


Wow. You're such an outlaw.
 
2023-02-08 7:37:24 AM  
I find the handwringing over content removal from streaming services to be so overblown because nobody was watching these shows in the first place. On HBO, how many of you were watching the Looney Tunes catalogue? West World had terrible ratings in the last two seasons; how many were going to watch it as a catalogue show?
 
2023-02-08 8:16:04 AM  

Ragin' Asian: You can pry my Criterion collection from my cold, dead hands. Yes, I know Criterion has a streaming service. One of the reasons I've bought the physical media, though, is that a lot of the packaging design is quite lovely. They look perfectly at home on my shelf alongside the dead tree books.


Have you picked up the Wall-E yet?

*chef's kiss*
 
2023-02-08 8:51:45 AM  

thornhill: I find the handwringing over content removal from streaming services to be so overblown because nobody was watching these shows in the first place. On HBO, how many of you were watching the Looney Tunes catalogue? West World had terrible ratings in the last two seasons; how many were going to watch it as a catalogue show?


I WAS WATCHING BABYLON 5 WHEN  IT DISAPPEARED!!!!1!!1!!!eleven!!!!11!!!!!

Seriously, I was rewatching it and hadn't gotten the news it was disappearing.  I was feeling nostalgic for a great sci-fi show.  Then it was gone.

So the next day I started rewatching SG-1.  Obviously I wouldn't rate it as high as Babylon 5, but it's still decent enough to provide entertainment while I'm snacking or eating or whatever.  And if it goes away, I have a brazillion or so other options, including watching shows where I'll get to see brazillians.

Or I could play computer games.  Or I could read more books on my phone (dead trees don't fit in one hand and let me turn pages with a flick of my thumb).  Or I could get to the gym in 25 minutes because I'm just that much more of an achiever than losers who take 26 minutes...
 
2023-02-08 9:51:39 AM  
Gone are the days when you could find everything you wanted to watch on a single streaming service.

When the fark were those days? I don't recall any time where a single service (even when there was only 2 or 3 of them) had everything on it.

The reason so much is unavailable is because Hollywood is filled with greedy farks. They're still stuck in the days when they could sell a single VHS or DVDs for $25 a pop. That's why you see these rentals on streaming sites going for $3.99. Christ, in the last days of video stores a new release was going for 99 cents, and you got to keep it all weekend. At this stage renting a movie to stream should be like 50 cents.
 
2023-02-08 10:18:43 AM  
What sucks is when movies and shows produced by streaming services aren't even made available on physical media. e.g. I was looking for a box set for the entire Bojack Horseman series, and it doesn't exist.
 
2023-02-08 10:19:44 AM  
I've got a giant binder of favorite DVDs and a handful of VHS tapes (the Evil Dead trilogy among them) that I simply cannot ever part with. I've started to buy a few Blu Rays for the really good recent favorites, but other than that I really don't give a shiat about image quality.
 
2023-02-08 10:39:57 AM  
Another "feature" that the article didn't mention:

The entire show stays intact - all the original edits and songs.

We have found, lately, that even if older TV shows are still streaming on a platform somewhere, that the streamed versions are different from what originally aired.  Licensing issues mean that sometimes a song that was used in the original episode is no longer owned by the same company, etc., so we've run into episodes of shows where the specific 90's era songs have been replaced with generic knockoffs.  This is deeply weird in any case, but is particularly jarring with more "meta" shows like Scrubs, etc. that directly comment on the music.

More bafflingly, some streaming platforms seem to only have the "TV Edits" of the shows.  There's no technical reason that a show I'm streaming on my own timeframe needs to be edited for time to fit the ~38minute runtime of a 1-hour commercial TV show, but they do it anyhow.  Slightly long special episodes or pilot episodes of shows like Firefly and Doctor Who (or really anything that comes from the BBC) are particularly vulnerable to this.

Our physical media collection is (conservatively) somewhere north of 630 titles (on nearly 800 discs).  Yes, it's a lot to make space for and manage, but most of the titles were purchased cheaply and we generally only buy stuff that we honestly will re-watch (a few gifts and mis-purchases aside), so it's "worth it" for us.

/Chief Cat Herder
 
2023-02-08 10:53:20 AM  
Advertised 4K streaming often still doesn't quite measure up to 4K physical media.  But it will eventually.

Niche markets for physical media will still be around though.  Some people just like collecting stuff.
 
2023-02-08 10:53:59 AM  

Boudyro: To buy anything means it's not consistently available streaming, and I know I'll want to watch it often. Nowadays that's mostly old 80s movies that aren't always available. For example the last one I bought from Apple was the Last Starfighter. IIRC it was $3.99 to rent, $13.99 to buy. I've already watched it enough times since buying it to have made that a cost-effective choice.


Funny you used this as an example.  We have a 13 year old and wanted to show her Last Starfighter.  We picked up the 25th Anniversary Blu Ray for $5.50, shipped.

I'll take the minor hassle of storing it for that price difference.  Older movies are CHEAPEST on physical media - the streaming services are always asking the same price range as new movies, but for anything other than "limited edition" or other very rare items, the old discs are pennies on the dollar.
 
2023-02-08 11:38:59 AM  

alienated: 2fardownthread: Oh great. Just when I threw out all of my VHS tapes and DVDs.

I have versions of Spinal Tap and A Hard Day's Night on CD. They are grainy and pixelated, and require REALVIDEO to view but..... Are those still useful?

Yes. Make copies


The blue ray, and specially the 4K of a hard Day's night from criterion are just stunning.

/completed a Rubik's Cube blindfolded while riding a unicycle
 
2023-02-08 11:42:56 AM  

WalkingCarpet: Plus, UHD discs in Dolby Vision with Dolby Atmos on a nice OLED set with a decent sound system look and sound amazing.

/drtfa


I just picked up an LG C2 this week, so I was preparing my old Panasonic VT60 plasma for sale.  While running the screen wipe utility, I noticed the first hint of screen burn after almost a decade of use: the PBS logo from the PBS Kids channel.

So now I am looking to pick up the podling's favorite series on DVD so I can avoid the dreaded logo burn on the new TV.  Farking lame that I have to take such steps, but TV stations just seem to be addicted to giant logos.  And PBS uses them on their streaming Roku app, too.
 
2023-02-08 11:47:22 AM  
Plex or Emby on a NAS or spare computer as well as a library card is a pretty good way to build a home entertainment platform.
 
2023-02-08 11:55:26 AM  

sensitive yet dangerous: Even if you have physical media, make copies. I have several DVD sets where at least one of the discs has succumbed to some form of bit rot. I should get one of those Domesday Project LD adapters.


This.  I've noticed that about a third of my LaserDiscs are suffering from disc rot, which causes snow during the first few minutes of viewing a side.  Luckily, I have BlueRay rips of most of my LD collection, but it is still sad to see them go, even if they're mostly shelf decoration at this point.
 
2023-02-08 1:20:18 PM  
I have a bunch of DVDs and a DVD player (plus a laptop that can play them). I don't see any reason to get rid of them. I keep them all in good storage conditions (ie, inside, no exposure to extreme temps or moisture), so hopefully they can last awhile.

/doesn't have fingerprints
 
2023-02-08 1:24:36 PM  

sensitive yet dangerous: Even if you have physical media, make copies. I have several DVD sets where at least one of the discs has succumbed to some form of bit rot. I should get one of those Domesday Project LD adapters.


This is my nightmare. I have soooo many discs.

I need to invest in some kind of auto-ripping box with a giant-ass NAS drive that I can setup under my desk at home and just commit to trying to feed it a few discs every day while I work.  It'd still take months, but at least I'd be making progress.

Anything that requires me to manage the ripping operation, or click and type things... forget it.  Too many discs.
 
2023-02-08 2:22:39 PM  

Herbie555: sensitive yet dangerous: Even if you have physical media, make copies. I have several DVD sets where at least one of the discs has succumbed to some form of bit rot. I should get one of those Domesday Project LD adapters.

This is my nightmare. I have soooo many discs.

I need to invest in some kind of auto-ripping box with a giant-ass NAS drive that I can setup under my desk at home and just commit to trying to feed it a few discs every day while I work.  It'd still take months, but at least I'd be making progress.

Anything that requires me to manage the ripping operation, or click and type things... forget it.  Too many discs.


Slow and steady. I bought an external USB BR drive for this specific purpose. Went through 400-500 discs (a lot of TV seasons too, which was tedious). Best decision ever though. We kept a bookcase worth of the stuff we really love but they are in our closet.

They ruined streaming. Yarr, matey is the only way to go where you'll be sure you see what you want to see. I don't even trust anything made by the streaming services themselves (specifically Netflix, Apple and Amazon). I assume anything on HBO, Paramount, Peacock, Hulu and the not as prominent "free" services will drop off at some point. The others will farm it out or let something lapse - Daredevil is proof. Then you factor in the censorship on specific shows or even specific episodes, so why bother?
 
2023-02-08 4:43:30 PM  

Ragin' Asian: You can pry my Criterion collection from my cold, dead hands. Yes, I know Criterion has a streaming service. One of the reasons I've bought the physical media, though, is that a lot of the packaging design is quite lovely. They look perfectly at home on my shelf alongside the dead tree books.


Criterion's physical media is quality but the streaming is garbaggio.  I had a hankerin' for some Bergman a few weeks ago and signed up.  Unfortunately, the two main places where I stream movies use a PS4 and a Samsung smart TV and, unlike pretty much every other streaming service, Criterion doesn't have a compatible app for either of them.  Casting from my phone/laptop is a pain in the ass.  That subscription lasted a whole 8 hours before cancellation.
 
2023-02-08 7:38:41 PM  

Herbie555: Another "feature" that the article didn't mention:

The entire show stays intact - all the original edits and songs.

We have found, lately, that even if older TV shows are still streaming on a platform somewhere, that the streamed versions are different from what originally aired.  Licensing issues mean that sometimes a song that was used in the original episode is no longer owned by the same company, etc., so we've run into episodes of shows where the specific 90's era songs have been replaced with generic knockoffs.  This is deeply weird in any case, but is particularly jarring with more "meta" shows like Scrubs, etc. that directly comment on the music.

More bafflingly, some streaming platforms seem to only have the "TV Edits" of the shows.  There's no technical reason that a show I'm streaming on my own timeframe needs to be edited for time to fit the ~38minute runtime of a 1-hour commercial TV show, but they do it anyhow.  Slightly long special episodes or pilot episodes of shows like Firefly and Doctor Who (or really anything that comes from the BBC) are particularly vulnerable to this.

Our physical media collection is (conservatively) somewhere north of 630 titles (on nearly 800 discs).  Yes, it's a lot to make space for and manage, but most of the titles were purchased cheaply and we generally only buy stuff that we honestly will re-watch (a few gifts and mis-purchases aside), so it's "worth it" for us.


Ran into this starting new people on Supernatural. The show straddles the transition from Broadcast and physical media to streaming. On the Netflix version they didn't have the rights to some songs and subbed in generic shiatty rock tracks for streaming.

IIRC they did eventually work it out, but on rewatches I start with the DVDs of the first few seasons bought before digital downloads were a thing, then switch to my bought digital files.
 
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