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dgf2099
2023-02-07 8:47:01 PM  
When the CEO takes a 98% pay cut, you know you're in real
 
bayoukitty [TotalFark]
2023-02-07 8:54:24 PM  
I'll give him credit for taking the salary and bonus cuts. Our CEO just keeps laying people off while pocketing his $7-8 million per year and talking about how we're all a team. 🙄
 
dustman81
2023-02-07 9:03:43 PM  
So a company that grew based on people working from home doesn't know how to cope when companies demand workers return to the office? I'm shocked, shocked. Well, not that shocked.
 
DeathByGeekSquad
2023-02-07 9:07:48 PM  
Lest we forget, Zoom was not the forerunner of the remote meeting services.  They simply benefited from the anti-Microsoft crowd.  Zoom was awful to deal with, and I'm glad that our clients are starting to move away from it.
 
realmolo
2023-02-07 9:25:16 PM  

DeathByGeekSquad: Lest we forget, Zoom was not the forerunner of the remote meeting services.  They simply benefited from the anti-Microsoft crowd.  Zoom was awful to deal with, and I'm glad that our clients are starting to move away from it.


Yup.

Zoom is...okay. But, frankly, if your company is serious about doing video conferences/calls/meetings, they almost certainly need Microsoft Teams.

It's hard to beat all the integration you get with Teams if you are a Microsoft shop (and most places are). The only real drawback to it is that adding genuine VoIP to it is kind of expensive compared to other VoIP providers. But it works so much better that it's worth it.

ALL THAT SAID...

Video conferencing is vastly overrated. Great for teaching online classes, terrible for anything else.
 
TedCruz'sCrazyDad
2023-02-07 9:29:47 PM  

realmolo: DeathByGeekSquad: Lest we forget, Zoom was not the forerunner of the remote meeting services.  They simply benefited from the anti-Microsoft crowd.  Zoom was awful to deal with, and I'm glad that our clients are starting to move away from it.

Yup.

Zoom is...okay. But, frankly, if your company is serious about doing video conferences/calls/meetings, they almost certainly need Microsoft Teams.

It's hard to beat all the integration you get with Teams if you are a Microsoft shop (and most places are). The only real drawback to it is that adding genuine VoIP to it is kind of expensive compared to other VoIP providers. But it works so much better that it's worth it.

ALL THAT SAID...

Video conferencing is vastly overrated. Great for teaching online classes, terrible for anything else.


I'd rather be in a 2 hour video conference than sitting in a conference room for 2 hours.
 
guinsu
2023-02-07 9:42:28 PM  

realmolo: DeathByGeekSquad: Lest we forget, Zoom was not the forerunner of the remote meeting services.  They simply benefited from the anti-Microsoft crowd.  Zoom was awful to deal with, and I'm glad that our clients are starting to move away from it.

Yup.

Zoom is...okay. But, frankly, if your company is serious about doing video conferences/calls/meetings, they almost certainly need Microsoft Teams.

It's hard to beat all the integration you get with Teams if you are a Microsoft shop (and most places are). The only real drawback to it is that adding genuine VoIP to it is kind of expensive compared to other VoIP providers. But it works so much better that it's worth it.

ALL THAT SAID...

Video conferencing is vastly overrated. Great for teaching online classes, terrible for anything else.


It's significantly less engaging than in person classes. I just spend two years doing that. One plus was to time shift a class and watch at 1.5x (zoom doesn't do 1.25 as far as I know, which would have been ideal). Otherwise I tended to multitask in class with my camera off.
 
trialpha
2023-02-07 10:27:54 PM  

TedCruz'sCrazyDad: I'd rather be in a 2 hour video conference than sitting in a conference room for 2 hours.


It's amazing just how much productivity is lost with people sitting in conference rooms attending meetings. Take the ubiquitous weekly status meeting - how much of that meeting does the average employee actually need to participate in / care about? The rest of the time they're just sitting there, not doing work they could be doing back at their desk.

Whereas in a phone call they can just mute their mic and work on other stuff.
 
Shelbyraed
2023-02-07 10:44:21 PM  
Teams > WebEx > Zoom

As a remote worker for the next past several years, I spend a lot of time in conference applications. Only one or two of my customers use Zoom.  It strikes me as unserious. You're a Fortune 500 company that I know makes bajillions of dollars, stop using Zoom and get Teams already.
 
Ivo Shandor [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-02-07 11:01:33 PM  

Shelbyraed: Teams > WebEx > Zoom

As a remote worker for the next past several years, I spend a lot of time in conference applications. Only one or two of my customers use Zoom.  It strikes me as unserious. You're a Fortune 500 company that I know makes bajillions of dollars, stop using Zoom and get Teams already.


I would rank Zoom above Webex (haven't used Teams).
 
The_Homeless_Guy
2023-02-08 12:32:57 AM  

realmolo: DeathByGeekSquad: Lest we forget, Zoom was not the forerunner of the remote meeting services.  They simply benefited from the anti-Microsoft crowd.  Zoom was awful to deal with, and I'm glad that our clients are starting to move away from it.

Yup.

Zoom is...okay. But, frankly, if your company is serious about doing video conferences/calls/meetings, they almost certainly need Microsoft Teams.

It's hard to beat all the integration you get with Teams if you are a Microsoft shop (and most places are). The only real drawback to it is that adding genuine VoIP to it is kind of expensive compared to other VoIP providers. But it works so much better that it's worth it.

ALL THAT SAID...

Video conferencing is vastly overrated. Great for teaching online classes, terrible for anything else.


My boss uses outlook to send meeting requests which automatically generated a teams link (you can turn it off in Outlook and I've even showed her how to do this) but then includes a zoom link in the email. Very very confusing. Wish she would just use teams.
 
leviosaurus [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-02-08 1:02:37 AM  

The_Homeless_Guy: realmolo: DeathByGeekSquad: Lest we forget, Zoom was not the forerunner of the remote meeting services.  They simply benefited from the anti-Microsoft crowd.  Zoom was awful to deal with, and I'm glad that our clients are starting to move away from it.

Yup.

Zoom is...okay. But, frankly, if your company is serious about doing video conferences/calls/meetings, they almost certainly need Microsoft Teams.

It's hard to beat all the integration you get with Teams if you are a Microsoft shop (and most places are). The only real drawback to it is that adding genuine VoIP to it is kind of expensive compared to other VoIP providers. But it works so much better that it's worth it.

ALL THAT SAID...

Video conferencing is vastly overrated. Great for teaching online classes, terrible for anything else.

My boss uses outlook to send meeting requests which automatically generated a teams link (you can turn it off in Outlook and I've even showed her how to do this) but then includes a zoom link in the email. Very very confusing. Wish she would just use teams.


Zoom certainly has its drawbacks, but Teams is abysmal. Completely unreliable, massive usability issues. I've used it at two companies now, makes me really miss Zoom and Slack.

Teams isn't better at all, and it's only encroaching on Zoom and Slack because Microsoft is using their market position to push it on companies. I wish they would just build a better product, instead of half-assing it and then forcing customers to use it.
 
Russ1642
2023-02-08 1:06:41 AM  

dustman81: So a company that grew based on people working from home doesn't know how to cope when companies demand workers return to the office? I'm shocked, shocked. Well, not that shocked.


They know how to cope. The correct course of action is to lay off staff. They can't simply conjure up a miracle for demand for their product.
 
Russ1642
2023-02-08 1:08:58 AM  

DeathByGeekSquad: Lest we forget, Zoom was not the forerunner of the remote meeting services.  They simply benefited from the anti-Microsoft crowd.  Zoom was awful to deal with, and I'm glad that our clients are starting to move away from it.


I tested a dozen remote meeting apps at the start of the pandemic. Zoom was the clear winner. Hell, Teams doesn't even have screen annotations yet. Cisco's shiat was so low bandwidth that you'd swear you smeared vaseline on the screen. Zoom ain't perfect but the competition sucks more.
 
almandot
2023-02-08 1:30:26 AM  
I'll take google hangouts
 
BearDrivingCar
2023-02-08 3:36:26 AM  
In my IT job pre-pandemic, I worked 100% remotely and spent 3-4 hours a day on conference calls. Mastered the art of half listening and un-muting to engage in the conversation. That was how our entire division functioned.

I simply don't understand why it all needs to be video now. I can sort of see someone running a presentation along with the call - we had the ability to do that when necessary - but this all-the-time-video makes no sense.
Glad I got out of that industry when I did.
 
No_Sir
2023-02-08 5:30:49 AM  

almandot: I'll take google hangouts


I worked at a company where Google Suite was used and Hangouts was the only internal video collaboration tool.  It was okay but Google didn't seem to have a clear roadmap and the solution seemed to always be in beta.  We ended up moving away from Google entirely as the overall experience was not good.  The "Hangouts" name is officially retired and it's called "Google Meet" now.

/Google Suite was also renamed
 
McGrits [TotalFark]
2023-02-08 6:02:07 AM  
Teams and webex are way better for presenting and working with data charts and drawings than zoom. Having a video chat with mom in zoom is fine.

All of them are better than the telephone only conference call.
 
wildlifer
2023-02-08 7:01:21 AM  

DeathByGeekSquad: Lest we forget, Zoom was not the forerunner of the remote meeting services.  They simply benefited from the anti-Microsoft crowd.  Zoom was awful to deal with, and I'm glad that our clients are starting to move away from it.


Dim dim Was the first one I used besides Adobe Connect and the awful skype.
 
clkeagle [BareFark]
2023-02-08 7:57:41 AM  

DeathByGeekSquad: Lest we forget, Zoom was not the forerunner of the remote meeting services.  They simply benefited from the anti-Microsoft crowd.  Zoom was awful to deal with, and I'm glad that our clients are starting to move away from it.


It was more like the Apple model... Zoom doesn't have all the same capabilities but it is very easy to use on just about every device.

There are better tools for internal use, but Zoom is a fine "least common denominator" for meeting or training across a bunch of different organizations at once.
 
The Smails Kid
2023-02-08 8:00:10 AM  

wildlifer: Dim dim


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Fear the Clam
2023-02-08 11:44:22 AM  
Aw, shait. I hope they don't lay off the person who pops up the window asking if your Zoom meeting went okay.
 
Mikey1969 [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-02-08 3:24:57 PM  

bayoukitty: I'll give him credit for taking the salary and bonus cuts. Our CEO just keeps laying people off while pocketing his $7-8 million per year and talking about how we're all a team. 🙄


Yeah, my company announced the purchase of a new $14.5 million building one day, saying that the current location had "outgrown" the building.

The next day, 8% layoffs, including 14 people where the new "bigger" building was located.

Talk about tone deaf.
 
Mikey1969 [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-02-08 3:29:15 PM  

DeathByGeekSquad: Lest we forget, Zoom was not the forerunner of the remote meeting services.  They simply benefited from the anti-Microsoft crowd.  Zoom was awful to deal with, and I'm glad that our clients are starting to move away from it.


Seriously? Zoom was a piece of cake. And we had 13 Zoom Rooms in my office at the time, before the pandemic. My last job, it was easy. Anything Microsoft puts out is bloated, poorly laid out, and a place imitation of their competition. Teams is a total sack of shiat, for example. Zoom was easy, including when we made the switch to Zoom phones.

Now what WAS a biatch was the setup needed. You had the computer and the tablet to update and keep working. We switched to a company called 'Neat' at my last job, and I upgraded all of our rooms. A single point solution, the Neat Bar has camera and speaker, so you just plug into the TV and into the ether net port, the rest of the config is handled on the tablet. Really nice setup.

But I was working at a place heavy I to Zoom before the pandemic, and I've always had good results.
 
Mikey1969 [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-02-08 4:16:09 PM  

realmolo: DeathByGeekSquad: Lest we forget, Zoom was not the forerunner of the remote meeting services.  They simply benefited from the anti-Microsoft crowd.  Zoom was awful to deal with, and I'm glad that our clients are starting to move away from it.

Yup.

Zoom is...okay. But, frankly, if your company is serious about doing video conferences/calls/meetings, they almost certainly need Microsoft Teams.

It's hard to beat all the integration you get with Teams if you are a Microsoft shop (and most places are). The only real drawback to it is that adding genuine VoIP to it is kind of expensive compared to other VoIP providers. But it works so much better that it's worth it.

ALL THAT SAID...

Video conferencing is vastly overrated. Great for teaching online classes, terrible for anything else.


No it isn't.

And I mean both parts. Teams sucks. The mesaage threading on there is ridiculous, you can't find the mesaage you received, because it's sometimes nested in a reply thread, sometimes up at the top of all of your messages, sometimes at the bottom.

As as far as the usefulness of Zoom, I've used it for remote support sessions, worked in two companies that used it very successfully for team collaboration, and it's been used for job interviews. Never actually taken a class that way, but I've helped hundreds of people using Zoom, Slack, and TeamViewer, depending on the level of control I need in the other user's computer.
 
Mikey1969 [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-02-08 4:18:59 PM  

leviosaurus: The_Homeless_Guy: realmolo: DeathByGeekSquad: Lest we forget, Zoom was not the forerunner of the remote meeting services.  They simply benefited from the anti-Microsoft crowd.  Zoom was awful to deal with, and I'm glad that our clients are starting to move away from it.

Yup.

Zoom is...okay. But, frankly, if your company is serious about doing video conferences/calls/meetings, they almost certainly need Microsoft Teams.

It's hard to beat all the integration you get with Teams if you are a Microsoft shop (and most places are). The only real drawback to it is that adding genuine VoIP to it is kind of expensive compared to other VoIP providers. But it works so much better that it's worth it.

ALL THAT SAID...

Video conferencing is vastly overrated. Great for teaching online classes, terrible for anything else.

My boss uses outlook to send meeting requests which automatically generated a teams link (you can turn it off in Outlook and I've even showed her how to do this) but then includes a zoom link in the email. Very very confusing. Wish she would just use teams.

Zoom certainly has its drawbacks, but Teams is abysmal. Completely unreliable, massive usability issues. I've used it at two companies now, makes me really miss Zoom and Slack.

Teams isn't better at all, and it's only encroaching on Zoom and Slack because Microsoft is using their market position to push it on companies. I wish they would just build a better product, instead of half-assing it and then forcing customers to use it.


Teams has been a garbage Slack clone since it started. We were starting to use it in anticipation of our company getting rid of Slack to save money, so I was bouncing between Slack and Teams, depending on if I was talking to the rest of my IT team or not, it was horrible, especially using it side by side with Slack. I guess the video part was about the same as Zoom, but the messaging component is garbage squared.
 
Mikey1969 [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-02-08 4:20:18 PM  

BearDrivingCar: In my IT job pre-pandemic, I worked 100% remotely and spent 3-4 hours a day on conference calls. Mastered the art of half listening and un-muting to engage in the conversation. That was how our entire division functioned.

I simply don't understand why it all needs to be video now. I can sort of see someone running a presentation along with the call - we had the ability to do that when necessary - but this all-the-time-video makes no sense.
Glad I got out of that industry when I did.


It's video so you'll stop farking about, like you just said you did.

Also, it's way easier to stay engaged seeing a person on screen than it is a droning conference call.
 
leviosaurus [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-02-08 6:13:00 PM  

Mikey1969: Teams has been a garbage Slack clone since it started. We were starting to use it in anticipation of our company getting rid of Slack to save money, so I was bouncing between Slack and Teams, depending on if I was talking to the rest of my IT team or not, it was horrible, especially using it side by side with Slack. I guess the video part was about the same as Zoom, but the messaging component is garbage squared.


Teams is the latest incarnation of MSN Messenger. Not kidding.

MSN Messenger became .Net Messenger Service, then it was rebranded Windows Live Messenger Service. That group was shuffled into Windows (where it became 'Windows Communicator") then into Office (where it became "Office Communicator") then it became "Lync", then "Skype for Business" and now it's Teams. For the record, Windows Communicator was by far the best incarnation. So of course they sent it off to Office where it got ruined.

So Teams is not so much a Slack clone. Slack is the "Oh god, please make it stop already, Microsoft!" product that was built specifically to get away from whatever Microsoft was pushing out that week. Now Teams is trying desperately to get away from it's stinky history and position itself as a new product, a clone of Slack.

And it still... STILL... doesn't have features that were in AOL Messenger in 1995. FFS.
 
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