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(Some Guy)   "Here's a deeply unlibertarian conclusion that I now regretfully find inescapable: there is a fundamental misalignment between profit-seeking and democracy's need for a well-informed public"   (brinklindsey.substack.com) divider line
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2049 clicks; posted to Politics » on 07 Feb 2023 at 4:35 PM (5 weeks ago)   |   Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook



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2023-02-07 3:19:09 PM  
This guy has made a career out of being a CATO Institute/Reason magazine apparatchik. I'm just not ready to read a wall-of-text mea culpa (if that's what this even is) from him yet.

Sorry.
 
2023-02-07 3:46:06 PM  
thanks, Sherlock.
DNRTFA
 
2023-02-07 3:59:17 PM  
Today is a good day to die, unless it's not.
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2023-02-07 4:29:04 PM  
Just figuring this out, after having helped hatch, nurture, and raise this beast into place?

Y'all GOT what you wanted. Lobbied for it. Invested in it. Promoted and expanded it.  And folks tried to warn you, and now, we have folks in office that make Louie Gohmert look like a Gottverdammt deep thinker. And mind you, at multiple levels, from an education environment as well as media perspective. You see your vision of society writ whole, and if you don't like it, well...congrats, you're the motherf*ckers responsible for it. Congrats. THIS is the result of your gentle theories and suggestions.

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Try THAT on, as opposed to an apologetic screed on how messed things up have gotten, when you and every single last one of your buddies have worked tirelessly to bring us to this point. And you f*cking laughed about it, because you thought it was only going to be the proles who got shafted.
 
2023-02-07 4:38:53 PM  
Ah.. he got a 4 whole paragraphs into that screed before dropping the BSAB turd.
 
2023-02-07 4:39:31 PM  
But the news media, taken as a whole, is not living up to that responsibility. Frenzied competition for increasingly scarce attention incentivizes telling people what they want to hear instead of what they need to know, and those incentives are increasingly winning out over fidelity to the principles of objectivity and impartiality.
 
2023-02-07 4:40:06 PM  

WhackingDay: Ah.. he got a 4 whole paragraphs into that screed before dropping the BSAB turd.


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2023-02-07 4:40:12 PM  
"The photograph above is a screen shot from an old Star Trek episode titled 'The Day of the Dove.'"
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2023-02-07 4:41:25 PM  
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2023-02-07 4:41:32 PM  
"That misalignment can be mitigated when profit-seeking is appropriately constrained, but in today's competitive free-for-all for eyeballs, clicks, and ratings, the result is informational anarchy in which truth is hopelessly outmatched."
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2023-02-07 4:42:26 PM  

aaronx: This guy has made a career out of being a CATO Institute/Reason magazine apparatchik. I'm just not ready to read a wall-of-text mea culpa (if that's what this even is) from him yet.

Sorry.


I certainly read more of it than was necessary to suss out his argument, but ... yeah that's more or less what it is. He's not WRONG, but ... yeah.
 
2023-02-07 4:42:32 PM  

Miss_Dorothy_Kilgallen: "The photograph above is a screen shot from an old Star Trek episode titled 'The Day of the Dove.'"
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That actually got me to read more.....sadly he lost me once he tried making 'points'.
 
2023-02-07 4:45:33 PM  
I will agree with him about a too large portion of the media failing to do their Constitutionally mandated job.  That infuriating but also 100% true quote from Moonves says it better than anything.
 
2023-02-07 4:45:38 PM  
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2023-02-07 4:46:10 PM  

aaronx: This guy has made a career out of being a CATO Institute/Reason magazine apparatchik. I'm just not ready to read a wall-of-text mea culpa (if that's what this even is) from him yet.

Sorry.


I skimmed the first few paragraphs, so I'll condense the gist of it for you:

BSAB
 
2023-02-07 4:46:30 PM  
"For example, my girlfriend still can't read, which is saddening because you should be able to by the time you're 12...."
 
2023-02-07 4:47:34 PM  
Man, fark you, and fark everybody who works in advertising and AI.
 
2023-02-07 4:49:50 PM  

krebshack: "That misalignment can be mitigated when profit-seeking is appropriately constrained, but in today's competitive free-for-all for eyeballs, clicks, and ratings, the result is informational anarchy in which truth is hopelessly outmatched."
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Jerry Garcia is dead.
 
2023-02-07 4:50:25 PM  
He's getting so close to self-awareness. Soooo close. One day he may discover that a number of news organizations still maintain strong journalistic standards. Assuming he ever pulls his head out of his ass and looks around, that is.
 
2023-02-07 4:50:48 PM  
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2023-02-07 4:51:03 PM  
BSAB!  So let's agree on something.
How about...The Age of Consent?
 
2023-02-07 4:51:50 PM  

flypusher713: I will agree with him about a too large portion of the media failing to do their Constitutionally mandated job.


Ummm...  What do you believe the Constitution mandates?
 
2023-02-07 4:52:58 PM  
It's the government's job to make sure that market dynamics are aligned with the public good.

Most things that people blame on the pursuit of profit are actually problems with government's definition of the the market and / or the regulatory framework around that.

Behind every broken market is government inaction & corruption.
 
2023-02-07 4:53:19 PM  

aaronx: This guy has made a career out of being a CATO Institute/Reason magazine apparatchik. I'm just not ready to read a wall-of-text mea culpa (if that's what this even is) from him yet.

Sorry.


So basically they're just upset the Mises nutjobs are hijacking the libertarian movement?

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2023-02-07 4:53:20 PM  
Clearly, this is all the fault of The Centrists.
 
2023-02-07 4:54:47 PM  
So... what does it mean if seeing the Star Trek screen cap at the top of the article, I knew exactly the episode he was talking about and what analogy he was going to try to make with it?
 
2023-02-07 4:55:59 PM  

Johnson: BSAB!  So let's agree on something.
How about...The Age of Consent?


Oh yeah, I think that came between the Age of Apostasy and the Age of Redemption.
 
Bf+
2023-02-07 4:56:05 PM  
Libertarian last one to realize X.  News at 11
 
2023-02-07 4:56:45 PM  
The best part about the current system is that in its current format it'll inevitably collapse in on itself. No need to fight left or right, time will snuff it out.
 
2023-02-07 4:59:06 PM  
Just by the fact that he wrote this article showing he is only just now realizing that media is the antagonist tells me he's living in his head and not the real world. Further, claiming BSAB shows he is afraid of the real world, sympathizing with the extremists becuase he tries to see their point and upon seeing it feels he can reason with them.

You can't. Neither side is giving in or giving up. One side is going to have to defeat the other side for the country to continue to exist.
 
2023-02-07 4:59:24 PM  

BMFPitt: flypusher713: I will agree with him about a too large portion of the media failing to do their Constitutionally mandated job.

Ummm...  What do you believe the Constitution mandates?


The 4th Estate is supposed to help keep the government honest; it's why it gets a specific mention in 1A.  If you don't like the word "mandate", then substitute "intended function" or "purpose".   The point is that too many aren't doing their primary job.
 
2023-02-07 4:59:46 PM  

aremmes: aaronx: This guy has made a career out of being a CATO Institute/Reason magazine apparatchik. I'm just not ready to read a wall-of-text mea culpa (if that's what this even is) from him yet.

Sorry.

I skimmed the first few paragraphs, so I'll condense the gist of it for you:

BSAB


Eh, he does lay the country's problems exclusively at the feet of the Republicans but definitely doesn't acknowledge his part in it.

He's also just now discovering the media phenomenon that Drew published a book about in 2007.

I'd summarize it more as "Whitey McMayonnaise has discovered the 21st Century, has concerns"

Just wait for his next articles in which he discovers we're not past racism like he thought we were, and perhaps the suboptimal economic situation of the younger generations cannot be explained by their work ethic or effort.
 
2023-02-07 5:01:08 PM  
Wait until he finds out that billionaires shaped the media to be this way on purpose.
 
2023-02-07 5:01:42 PM  

TheMarvelousLibertarian: The best part about the current system is that in its current format it'll inevitably collapse in on itself. No need to fight left or right, time will snuff it out.


Some people just want to watch the world burn. Siting on the sidelines with marshmallows, chocolate, and graham crackers.
 
2023-02-07 5:01:46 PM  

NullReferenceException: So... what does it mean if seeing the Star Trek screen cap at the top of the article, I knew exactly the episode he was talking about and what analogy he was going to try to make with it?


NERD!!!

/absolutely takes one to know one ;)
 
2023-02-07 5:04:24 PM  
Yeah, no.
"Less well known [than other paradoxes] is the paradox of tolerance: Unlimited tolerance must lead to the disappearance of tolerance. If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them.

In this formulation, I do not imply, for instance, that we should always suppress the utterance of intolerant philosophies; as long as we can counter them by rational argument and keep them in check by public opinion, suppression would certainly be most unwise.

But we should claim the right to suppress them if necessary even by force; for it may easily turn out that they are not prepared to meet us on the level of rational argument, but begin by denouncing all argument; they may forbid their followers to listen to rational argument, because it is deceptive, and teach them to answer arguments by the use of their fists or pistols.

We should therefore claim, in the name of tolerance, the right not to tolerate the intolerant. We should claim that any movement preaching intolerance places itself outside the law and we should consider incitement to intolerance and persecution as criminal, in the same way as we should consider incitement to murder, or to kidnapping, or to the revival of the slave trade, as criminal."

-  Vol. 1 of The Open Society and Its Enemies by Karl Popper, published in 1945
(Bold is mine)
 
2023-02-07 5:07:16 PM  

cowsaregoodeating: TheMarvelousLibertarian: The best part about the current system is that in its current format it'll inevitably collapse in on itself. No need to fight left or right, time will snuff it out.

Some people just want to watch the world burn. Siting on the sidelines with marshmallows, chocolate, and graham crackers.


I don't agree with the current system, so I just kick back and don't care.

"4th Turning" unfolding. Great book. Shows how countries power structures are quite cyclical. Time will fix this. I'll rip a bong on my porch and chill out.
 
2023-02-07 5:09:56 PM  
*reads Subby's headline*
Is it about the news? I think it is about cable news
*reads Star Trek episode synopsis*
Ooooooh, I see where this is going
*click to fark thread, don't read the comments*
DS9 is the best Star Trek
*this is a toast to the good guys*
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I think that sums things up.
 
2023-02-07 5:10:23 PM  

TheMarvelousLibertarian: cowsaregoodeating: TheMarvelousLibertarian: The best part about the current system is that in its current format it'll inevitably collapse in on itself. No need to fight left or right, time will snuff it out.

Some people just want to watch the world burn. Siting on the sidelines with marshmallows, chocolate, and graham crackers.

I don't agree with the current system, so I just kick back and don't care.

"4th Turning" unfolding. Great book. Shows how countries power structures are quite cyclical. Time will fix this. I'll rip a bong on my porch and chill out.


I feel the fix you are talking about is natural failing of the current representative democracy into something else.
 
2023-02-07 5:11:07 PM  

snowjack: One day he may discover that a number of news organizations still maintain strong journalistic standards.


Which ones?
 
2023-02-07 5:15:12 PM  
It's not the "news media" it's specifically toxic right-wing propaganda mills posing as legitimate news sources, and the equally toxic charlatan politicians and pundits like Newt Gingrich and his ilk that have been demonizing liberals for the past 40+ years.

This dude can fark right off with his BSABSVR bullshiat.
 
2023-02-07 5:15:33 PM  

theteacher: But the news media, taken as a whole, is not living up to that responsibility. Frenzied competition for increasingly scarce attention incentivizes telling people what they want to hear instead of what they need to know, and those incentives are increasingly winning out over fidelity to the principles of objectivity and impartiality.


That was the money quote for me, too. TFA is way too long and loaded down with a lot of academic citations that are more about the author's need to try and look clever, but I didn't read it as saying BSAB as much as observing that the financial incentives to make insane amounts of money have corrupted modern journalism to the point where the media environment is pushing disinformation and division just for the sake of profits.

There was never a so-called golden age of journalism but it's hard to argue that the 24/7 cable TV news cycle and revolutionary impact of the Internet haven't contributed to the problem in some respects. Especially when coupled with things like the deregulation of the communications industry during the Ray-gun years and the abandonment of the Fairness Doctrine. The late Washington Post editor Ben Bagdikian predicted this would happen back in the 80s, years before we even had the Internet. He also said that it would take a well-educated public with critical thinking skills to see through the bullshiat. Sadly, we don't have that now either.

The fact that even a libertarian writer admits the market is contributing to this situation is telling. Long overdue and probably pointless, but still kind of a surprise to me. And the connection to that "Day of the Dove" episode of Star Trek is one that hadn't occurred to me before. But it is almost like there's a malevolent force making things worse in terms of our ability to communicate in rational ways. And a society that packages information into silos where we can always find "content" to fit our pre-existing views, and that plays reality as infotainment to amuse instead of enlighten, is one where we are unlikely to find anything like objective facts, let alone truth.

\ of course, YMMV
 
2023-02-07 5:16:36 PM  

TheMarvelousLibertarian: The best part about the current system is that in its current format it'll inevitably collapse in on itself. No need to fight left or right, time will snuff it out.


No, it won't.  Nothing is coming to save you from the horror.
 
2023-02-07 5:31:24 PM  
I took that as two different things. 1) FaKe NeWs, and 2) Rich people are farking us.

I'm guessing that the former is more likely, because libertarians still can't grasp the idea that rich people would fark them over, even though their mom tells them every day just how awesome they are.
 
2023-02-07 5:49:33 PM  

Rapmaster2000: TheMarvelousLibertarian: The best part about the current system is that in its current format it'll inevitably collapse in on itself. No need to fight left or right, time will snuff it out.

No, it won't.  Nothing is coming to save you from the horror.


Nothing is going to prevent the demise.
 
2023-02-07 5:50:39 PM  
The US was not full of intelligent deep thinkers before TV and the internets rotted their minds.

Profit driven sensationalism and strife creation s not the invention of modern right wing media.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_journalism
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and they drove the US into the Spanish-American war based on made up lies.
 
2023-02-07 5:52:33 PM  

flypusher713: I will agree with him about a too large portion of the media failing to do their Constitutionally mandated job.  That infuriating but also 100% true quote from Moonves says it better than anything.


"Constitutionally mandated job."

https://www.theonion.com/area-man-passionate-defender-of-what-he-imagines-consti-1819571149

Sorry if I missed a joke.
 
2023-02-07 5:55:56 PM  
This screen shot has been the banner photo for my Twitter account since I finally ended up joining in the spring of 2017. I chose it because that episode seems to me to offer a near-perfect analogy for our current political predicament: two sides of equal size, their mutual hostility stoked to the point of spit-flecked rage, so consumed with anger and hatred and desire for revenge that they can't see that they're hurtling toward their doom.

Tapped out after this.
 
2023-02-07 6:13:24 PM  

SomeAmerican: Johnson: BSAB!  So let's agree on something.
How about...The Age of Consent?

Oh yeah, I think that came between the Age of Apostasy and the Age of Redemption.


No, it came before We All Stand.

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2023-02-07 6:17:42 PM  
I guess it's good for him that he stopped being ignorant of reality at some point in his life.  Some people never achieve that.
 
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