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(Larry Brown Sports)   Tom Brady settles the "Brady vs. Belichick" debate for once and all. "It's always such a stupid conversation to say Brady vs. Belichick...Coach couldn't play quarterback and I couldn't coach"   (larrybrownsports.com) divider line
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puffy999 [recently expired TotalFark]
2023-02-07 2:13:19 PM  
Belichick brought the defense.

Brady bought the refs.
 
Dr.Fey [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-02-07 4:52:07 PM  
Only one of 'em has won a Super Bowl without the other.  Small sample size, maybe, but if Bill never does it again, fair or unfair, that's how history will be written.

/I believe only three head coaches have ever won more than one Super Bowl with a different QB.
//Joe Gibbs (3 different QBs), Parcells (2), and Seifert (2).
///No HC has ever won with two different teams.
 
Clash City Farker
2023-02-07 5:49:52 PM  
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Practical_Draconian
2023-02-07 6:05:59 PM  

puffy999: Belichick brought the defense.

Brady bought the refs.


Defense for everything BUT the end of the big game.

Then it became Brady saving the day or not in crunch time. A well visited to many times in my opinion.
(There was that one Pats ring earned by the other coach's megafarking stupidity at the end).

This is also where you can argue about Joe Montana being the better god-tier QB for destroying teams but on the other hand, making boring 45-17 score Super Bowls.

From what I remember about that time period, unless you really liked the 49ers or Mike Tyson, their peak was they won quickly and decisively, so what the hell is there to do at this party of yours centered around their title event?
 
kindms
2023-02-07 6:16:04 PM  

Dr.Fey: Only one of 'em has won a Super Bowl without the other.  Small sample size, maybe, but if Bill never does it again, fair or unfair, that's how history will be written.

/I believe only three head coaches have ever won more than one Super Bowl with a different QB.
//Joe Gibbs (3 different QBs), Parcells (2), and Seifert (2).
///No HC has ever won with two different teams.


he does have 2 rings as defensive coordinator sans Brady
 
rickythepenguin [TotalFark]
2023-02-07 6:18:34 PM  

Practical_Draconian: Then it became Brady saving the day or not in crunch time. A well visited to many times in my opinion.



Hi, my name is Adam Vinatieri - I don't think we've met?
 
Wadded Beef [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-02-07 6:20:21 PM  
I was a pretty big Brady critic myself but after he won in Tampa that kind of sealed it that he wasn't just the beneficiary of a superior system.
 
TTFK
2023-02-07 6:31:24 PM  

puffy999: Brady bought the refs.


To what, suspend him?
 
jaylectricity [TotalFark]
2023-02-07 6:32:52 PM  

rickythepenguin: Practical_Draconian: Then it became Brady saving the day or not in crunch time. A well visited to many times in my opinion.


Hi, my name is Adam Vinatieri - I don't think we've met?


He can't kick an 80 yarder. He needed Brady to get it closer.
 
dywed88
2023-02-07 6:41:19 PM  

Wadded Beef: I was a pretty big Brady critic myself but after he won in Tampa that kind of sealed it that he wasn't just the beneficiary of a superior system.


At the same time, Brady was one of the last pieces added to make an excellent team while Belichick was left with the remnants of the Patriots.

Saying anything other than they were both great seems pretty damned silly. It was the two combined that crafted an amazing run lasting nearly two decades.
 
The_Sponge [TotalFark]
2023-02-07 6:49:00 PM  
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tnpir
2023-02-07 7:14:28 PM  
I hate them both. So there.
 
fatalvenom
2023-02-07 7:18:26 PM  

Practical_Draconian: puffy999: Belichick brought the defense.

Brady bought the refs.

Defense for everything BUT the end of the big game.

Then it became Brady saving the day or not in crunch time. A well visited to many times in my opinion.
(There was that one Pats ring earned by the other coach's megafarking stupidity at the end).

This is also where you can argue about Joe Montana being the better god-tier QB for destroying teams but on the other hand, making boring 45-17 score Super Bowls.

From what I remember about that time period, unless you really liked the 49ers or Mike Tyson, their peak was they won quickly and decisively, so what the hell is there to do at this party of yours centered around their title event?


No one cares about the game, it's all about the commercials bro...
 
jake3988 [OhFark]
2023-02-07 7:28:14 PM  

Dr.Fey: Only one of 'em has won a Super Bowl without the other.  Small sample size, maybe, but if Bill never does it again, fair or unfair, that's how history will be written.

/I believe only three head coaches have ever won more than one Super Bowl with a different QB.
//Joe Gibbs (3 different QBs), Parcells (2), and Seifert (2).
///No HC has ever won with two different teams.


This is stupid.  It's only been 3 seasons and the Patriots are going through a rebuild.  He has made some questionable decisions (Thinking Cam still had it, bringing back Matt Patricia as the unofficial OC, etc) but still.  And the dude is over 70.  At best he's got a couple seasons left.

Tom, on the other hand, left to go to the Bucs in search of another Super Bowl.  They were a power house team that was just a QB away from a super bowl.  It still takes someone special to do it (it's not easy to win a super bowl) but still.  it's a bit different.

If Bill had pulled a Sean Payton and left his team right when it needs to rebuild and jumps into a glorious situation a year later, he probably could've done it too.
 
iron_city_ap
2023-02-07 8:43:31 PM  
Right after 9/11 the PATRIOTS suddenly became dominant with an underdog QB and a HC who had a bad record as a HC and went on to set all kinds of records and become one of the greatest dynasties in league history.

Mr Foster, please pick up the white courtesy phone..
 
Dr.Fey [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-02-07 9:17:54 PM  

kindms: he does have 2 rings as defensive coordinator sans Brady


Sure, but lots of coaches have those kind of stats.  Fer' instance, George Siefert has five Super Bowl victories, but 3 were as an assistant coach, two of which were as DC.
 
phimuskapsi [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-02-07 9:33:34 PM  

iron_city_ap: Right after 9/11 the PATRIOTS suddenly became dominant with an underdog QB and a HC who had a bad record as a HC and went on to set all kinds of records and become one of the greatest dynasties in league history.

Mr Foster, please pick up the white courtesy phone..


If anything it should have been the NYC jets.
 
EyeballKid
2023-02-08 6:37:45 AM  
"But we could both cheat."
 
OtherLittleGuy [BareFark]
2023-02-08 7:39:22 AM  

rickythepenguin: Practical_Draconian: Then it became Brady saving the day or not in crunch time. A well visited to many times in my opinion.


Hi, my name is Adam Vinatieri - I don't think we've met?


Nice to meet you. I'm Malcolm Butler. You might have seen me in such sports films as "Intercepted at the Goal Line" and "Sitting on the Bench While Losing to the Eagles to Make a Point".
 
snowshovel
2023-02-08 7:42:41 AM  

Dr.Fey: Only one of 'em has won a Super Bowl without the other.  Small sample size, maybe, but if Bill never does it again, fair or unfair, that's how history will be written.

/I believe only three head coaches have ever won more than one Super Bowl with a different QB.
//Joe Gibbs (3 different QBs), Parcells (2), and Seifert (2).
///No HC has ever won with two different teams.


By only playing on playoff-ready teams?
 
toetag
2023-02-08 12:13:17 PM  
Few weeks back, read an interesting article on how Belichick didn't make the Patriots so dominate. It was Brady.  Without Brady, Belichick would be a mid-teir ranked coach. Never thought of it like that and didn't agree with all the points but it was an interesting take.
 
Derek Force
2023-02-08 3:16:58 PM  

OtherLittleGuy: rickythepenguin: Practical_Draconian: Then it became Brady saving the day or not in crunch time. A well visited to many times in my opinion.


Hi, my name is Adam Vinatieri - I don't think we've met?

Nice to meet you. I'm Malcolm Butler. You might have seen me in such sports films as "Intercepted at the Goal Line" and "Sitting on the Bench While Losing to the Eagles to Make a Point".


yeah I rewatched that one this weekend.  Still weird they did that.  man was crying on the bench at one point.

but even so, when he had that pick at the goal line, he was playing off the bench in that one, not a starter...  so maybe Bill really did think he wasnt the best option.

He did play some special teams tho.
 
jaylectricity [TotalFark]
2023-02-08 8:51:36 PM  

toetag: Few weeks back, read an interesting article on how Belichick didn't make the Patriots so dominate. It was Brady.  Without Brady, Belichick would be a mid-teir ranked coach. Never thought of it like that and didn't agree with all the points but it was an interesting take.


The genius of Belichick was on display when he had a lot of competent coaches. And Tom Brady. It allowed him to focus on these minute details that other coaches didn't think of. Scenarios that would rarely happen, so if they did a team would probably not be prepared for it. But his team was.

During that whole run people were picking off all his competent coaches and he'd just find somebody else who could do the job. None of them were head coaching material, but they were good at their assistant jobs.

Brady helped by taking less money several times in his career. Belichick would spend the extra money on mid and lower level guys. So a team would maybe have special team players who made very little...Bill's team would have starters and he'd pay a little extra to a guy who worked hard to be good on special teams.

If not for Belichick, Brady would have been benched after their last loss of the 2001 season because most coaches would have said, "OK, Bledsoe is ready to go and this kid just lost."

The fact that they were together for so long is remarkable. It took 20 years for things to finally "not work out". Either of them could win a SB or two on their own. But together, the total was greater than the sum of the parts.
 
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