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(Ars Technica)   James Cameron: No, Jack wouldn't have been able to be on the raft at the same time as Rose. Yes, I can prove it. It's been 25 years, go get a life   (arstechnica.com) divider line
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fmcgalaxie500
2023-02-07 12:26:17 PM  
MythBusters proved he could have got on and floated but with a little help.
 
optikeye [TotalFark]
2023-02-07 12:33:15 PM  
Did they use ACTUAL SIZE ROSE and LEO for tests? Because I get the feeling they had to 'hobbit up' some SFX or have Leo walk a raised sidewalk for the trolly  shots.

IMDB lists Leo at 6'0 and Kate at 5'7......now that's some hollywood math.
 
Rwa2play [TotalFark]
2023-02-07 12:34:32 PM  
I'll give Cameron this much:  more guys got laid by simply tolerating "Titanic".
 
AppleOptionEsc
2023-02-07 12:42:28 PM  

fmcgalaxie500: MythBusters proved he could have got on and floated but with a little help.


My fake movie isn't realistic!

*real life examples of people being dumb all day, every day*

Not real enough!

The narrative was there. Jack had to die. He showed the floating door was unstable. That's what happened. Sorry for the inconvenience.
 
skyotter
2023-02-07 12:45:34 PM  
It's fiction, so Jack and Rose could have ridden the eagle all the way to Mordor.

Cameron just has no imagination.
 
MusicMakeMyHeadPound [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-02-07 12:45:50 PM  
For the 10 people on the planet who haven't seen the film

It didn't grab my interest at the time and now the fact that I haven't seen it is more a point of pride.

I feel like pop culture's covered all the interesting parts anyways:  he draws her like one of those French girls, they have hot steamy sex in a .. car? in the cargo hold?   

She does that "I'm flying Jack" thing from the masthead.

Then he dies senselessly and I'm convinced that old Rose is actually senile and made the whole thing up like the entire story of Life of Pi.

There. Saved countless hours and probably $18 but still had to suffer that goddamned Celine Dion song.
 
NewportBarGuy [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-02-07 12:46:12 PM  
That's one of those movies where I wish everyone involved would have died.

Except for Bill Paxton. I miss him :(

Also, if you keep pissing him off, he's going to make a Sequel. So, please stop asking.
 
skyotter
2023-02-07 12:46:18 PM  
Also, https://www.fark.com/comments/12740602/James-Cameron-Ok-sure-I-guess-there-was-a-way-for-Jack-to-survive-in-Titanic-now-can-everyone-please-shut-fark-up-about-it-already
 
strutin
2023-02-07 12:48:39 PM  

MusicMakeMyHeadPound: made the whole thing up like the entire story of Life of Pi.


JFC! Spoiler alert there..

/you're right, I'll probably never see it
 
CarnySaur [TotalFark]
2023-02-07 12:49:52 PM  

skyotter: Also, https://www.fark.com/comments/12740602/James-Cameron-Ok-sure-I-guess-there-was-a-way-for-Jack-to-survive-in-Titanic-now-can-everyone-please-shut-fark-up-about-it-already


There's something you can do about that.

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Karma Chameleon
2023-02-07 12:50:20 PM  
Don't care saw Kate Winslet nude
 
MusicMakeMyHeadPound [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-02-07 12:53:53 PM  

strutin: MusicMakeMyHeadPound: made the whole thing up like the entire story of Life of Pi.

JFC! Spoiler alert there..

/you're right, I'll probably never see it


Nah. Life of Pi is like An Occurrence at Owl Creek Bridge.  It doesn't actually ruin anything to know it's an unreliable narrator, if you're into that sort of thing, and I think it's better that you know what you're getting into so that you don't feel like you've been fed a Shaggy Dog story.

It's a good book and a good film -- I'd recommend them both.
 
skyotter
2023-02-07 1:15:55 PM  

CarnySaur: skyotter: Also, https://www.fark.com/comments/12740602/James-Cameron-Ok-sure-I-guess-there-was-a-way-for-Jack-to-survive-in-Titanic-now-can-everyone-please-shut-fark-up-about-it-already

There's something you can do about that.

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Forgive my lack of clarity -- that article and thread is about Cameron saying that Jack *could have* survived.

It's the exact opposite of a repeat.
 
Rwa2play [TotalFark]
2023-02-07 1:20:35 PM  

NewportBarGuy: That's one of those movies where I wish everyone involved would have died.

Except for Bill Paxton. I miss him :(

Also, if you keep pissing him off, he's going to make a Sequel. So, please stop asking.


...Do you think I would care at this point?  I barely cared about the Avatar sequel.
 
Rev.K [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-02-07 1:23:44 PM  
https://youtube.com/shorts/EG7EOhOTQWQ?feature=share
 
Chariset [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-02-07 1:38:33 PM  
Hasn't he already come out and said "Sorry, it was Jack's time to die.  That's the story.  He dies so she can live"?
 
puffy999 [TotalFark]
2023-02-07 1:41:13 PM  

MusicMakeMyHeadPound: An Occurrence at Owl Creek Bridge


Now there's a story I'd like to see on the big screen.

Just for the reaction of the crowd at the end.
 
Lambskincoat [TotalFark]
2023-02-07 1:49:34 PM  
How do you make a boring story about a ship sinking? I'm not sure how I'd react, but I wouldn't be bored.
 
EvilEgg [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-02-07 1:52:26 PM  
Doesn't change the fact that Rose is a biatch. She makes everyone listen to her boring ass hook up story and then tosses the gem in the ocean. She knew they were looking for it.
 
NewportBarGuy [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-02-07 2:01:42 PM  

Rwa2play: NewportBarGuy: That's one of those movies where I wish everyone involved would have died.

Except for Bill Paxton. I miss him :(

Also, if you keep pissing him off, he's going to make a Sequel. So, please stop asking.

...Do you think I would care at this point?  I barely cared about the Avatar sequel.


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Squid_for_Brains [TotalFark]
2023-02-07 2:14:10 PM  

NewportBarGuy: That's one of those movies where I wish everyone involved would have died.

Except for Bill Paxton. I miss him :(

Also, if you keep pissing him off, he's going to make a Sequel. So, please stop asking.


Ask three more times and we'll get a live-action remake of Titanic: The Legend Goes On, complete with period-appropriate rapping dog:

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Munden [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-02-07 2:36:40 PM  
One of the top Ars comments said it well...
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However, there were a handful of survivors that survived in the water for a reported 2-3 hours before being pulled into a lifeboat. One of them was Charles Joughin, who got really drunk just before it happened and claimed to hardly feel the cold of the Atlantic at all.

The definitive answer should be, Yes, it's possible, but strong odds are that you would perish, as many did.
 
Bob The Nob [OhFark]
2023-02-07 2:56:14 PM  
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Endus
2023-02-07 2:58:23 PM  
The simplest truth here is that film is a communicative medium, and if the imagery you chose for the scene leads a lot of your audience to think there was no reason for a character to die, you farking up filming that scene.  "But scientifically, it works" isn't an argument; what matters is what the audience believes while viewing.

Also that if you were interested in realism, Jack would've farkin' reeked, and Rose was an absolutely horrible person both when young and old.  Incredibly self-involved and privileged in the worst way.  She's the villain of the piece.
 
Fano
2023-02-07 3:04:02 PM  

Karma Chameleon: Don't care saw Kate Winslet nude


Oh. So you saw a Kate Winslet movie.
 
HotWingConspiracy
2023-02-07 3:07:34 PM  

Endus: The simplest truth here is that film is a communicative medium, and if the imagery you chose for the scene leads a lot of your audience to think there was no reason for a character to die, you farking up filming that scene.  "But scientifically, it works" isn't an argument; what matters is what the audience believes while viewing.


I think the flip side is that she could have been floating on a heated yacht with a catered dinner, and he still had to die in service of the story.
 
ZMugg [TotalFark]
2023-02-07 3:08:06 PM  

Karma Chameleon: Don't care saw Kate Winslet nude


Not a rare thing. It's not like we're talking:
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Copperbelly watersnake
2023-02-07 3:08:57 PM  

skyotter: It's fiction, so Jack and Rose could have ridden the eagle all the way to Mordor.

Cameron just has no imagination.


But then they would have never learned that the old woman was actually the last horcrux.
 
Cinedelic
2023-02-07 3:11:15 PM  
Damn near everyone in the Cameron family is annoying.  James.  Kirk.  David.  Punters, the lot of them.

Cameron Crowe was okay, though.  Something of the black sheep of the family.  Or, black bird, as it were.
 
buckeyebrain
2023-02-07 3:14:23 PM  
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buravirgil
2023-02-07 3:14:29 PM  

puffy999: MusicMakeMyHeadPound: An Occurrence at Owl Creek Bridge

Now there's a story I'd like to see on the big screen.

Just for the reaction of the crowd at the end.


I saw it in 7th grade English class on the pull down screen behind my teacher's desk...
The other title that year was Bernice Bobs Her Hair.
 
Fano
2023-02-07 3:15:48 PM  
Sperglords delenda est

In our endless search for clickbait, it appears there is quite the industry of people spending their lives trying to game their headcanon to prove that a certain narrative outcome should have happened
 
Lochaber_Axe
2023-02-07 3:23:02 PM  

EvilEgg: Doesn't change the fact that Rose is a biatch. She makes everyone listen to her boring ass hook up story and then tosses the gem in the ocean. She knew they were looking for it.


THIS.  Just give them the damn thing biatch!!
 
kindms
2023-02-07 3:30:14 PM  

Munden: One of the top Ars comments said it well...
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However, there were a handful of survivors that survived in the water for a reported 2-3 hours before being pulled into a lifeboat. One of them was Charles Joughin, who got really drunk just before it happened and claimed to hardly feel the cold of the Atlantic at all.

The definitive answer should be, Yes, it's possible, but strong odds are that you would perish, as many did.


Farker survival hack
 
Kangaroo_Ralph [OhFark]
2023-02-07 3:31:19 PM  
You go to the kitchen, strip down, lather up in lard, put on a layer of clothes, put on another layer of lard, another layer of clothes, and get your own damn door.
 
The All-Powerful Atheismo
2023-02-07 3:31:44 PM  

fmcgalaxie500: MythBusters proved


I'm gonna haveta stop you right there.  MythBusters never "proved" anything.  So many of their experiments lacked so much required fastidiousness and control as to make their results generally meaningless.  You can expect that their conclusions were right or wrong roughly 50% of the time each.  So sometimes they were right and sometimes they just weren't.

But as has already been pointed out, there are a dozen reasons why it's a meaningless argument in the context of the film.  It's a movie. This is a golden example of how MythBusters simply isn't "right" all the time and draws conclusions from inaccurate or sometimes irrelevant experiments.  But it's just a show, which is fine.  The real problem is people who worship their results as the arbiter of truth.
 
mjbok
2023-02-07 3:38:08 PM  

Lambskincoat: How do you make a boring story about a ship sinking? I'm not sure how I'd react, but I wouldn't be bored.


The second hand of Titanic is not boring.
 
Chemlight Battery
2023-02-07 3:39:49 PM  

skyotter: CarnySaur: skyotter: Also, https://www.fark.com/comments/12740602/James-Cameron-Ok-sure-I-guess-there-was-a-way-for-Jack-to-survive-in-Titanic-now-can-everyone-please-shut-fark-up-about-it-already

There's something you can do about that.

[Fark user image 420x51]

Forgive my lack of clarity -- that article and thread is about Cameron saying that Jack *could have* survived.

It's the exact opposite of a repeat.


A peat?
 
mjbok
2023-02-07 3:40:11 PM  

mjbok: Lambskincoat: How do you make a boring story about a ship sinking? I'm not sure how I'd react, but I wouldn't be bored.

The second hand of Titanic is not boring.


Or half
 
The All-Powerful Atheismo
2023-02-07 3:40:21 PM  

mjbok: The second hand of Titanic is not boring.


It did tick by very quickly
 
browneye [TotalFark]
2023-02-07 3:43:00 PM  
Mods, this is a duplicate.
 
Lsherm [TotalFark]
2023-02-07 3:47:15 PM  

Endus: Also that if you were interested in realism, Jack would've farkin' reeked


Jack only reeked until he got it on with Molly Brown, who made him take a bath and dress up like her son because she secretly wanted to bang her offspring. It's all there in the subtext.

As a far more realistic point of order: everyone on that ship would have reeked. Daily bathing still wasn't a thing, most people (even the wealthy) were probably wiping themselves down with a cloth most days. Having sex on that ship would literally be "putting some stank on it!"
 
Fano
2023-02-07 3:52:39 PM  

The All-Powerful Atheismo: fmcgalaxie500: MythBusters proved

I'm gonna haveta stop you right there.  MythBusters never "proved" anything.  So many of their experiments lacked so much required fastidiousness and control as to make their results generally meaningless.  You can expect that their conclusions were right or wrong roughly 50% of the time each.  So sometimes they were right and sometimes they just weren't.

But as has already been pointed out, there are a dozen reasons why it's a meaningless argument in the context of the film.  It's a movie. This is a golden example of how MythBusters simply isn't "right" all the time and draws conclusions from inaccurate or sometimes irrelevant experiments.  But it's just a show, which is fine.  The real problem is people who worship their results as the arbiter of truth.


In this case, is is plausible and it is possible that Jack, who was being tossed around in the frozen North Atlantic after  a ridiculous escape, chase, and run through the cold waters of the sinking ship, could manage to wrangle his way onto the same plank of wood that Rose was on. Or perhaps after all that and as his body was shutting down in shock his addled brain gave up and he did a noble thing by not risking knocking her off trying to get on.
It seems that many movie watchers these days have a serious problem with "see, this is where the characters (and the writers) are fools. Here's what I would do"[insert flawless plan].

Of course such people always existed but it appears that these days we are expected to take these people seriously.
 
Hendawg
2023-02-07 3:55:44 PM  
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buravirgil
2023-02-07 4:02:43 PM  

mjbok: mjbok: Lambskincoat: How do you make a boring story about a ship sinking? I'm not sure how I'd react, but I wouldn't be bored.

The second hand of Titanic is not boring.

Or half


When one of the boatmen is holding back a panicked crowd on the deck from loading into a lifeboat and inadvertently shoots someone and then shoots himself? I thought of that when I watched the first videos of the capitol guard stopping Babbitt on January 6th. Metaphor as you will.
 
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