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(Farming UK)   Teen arsonist who caused £1 million in damages is fined... £61. Yeah, that'll teach him   (farminguk.com) divider line
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Dr.Fey [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-02-07 10:37:23 AM  
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Walker [TotalFark]
2023-02-07 10:55:01 AM  
He didn't even get a paddling?
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edmo [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-02-07 10:55:22 AM  
Cost me more than that when I used the F word in front of my mom when I was 12.
 
ajgeek [TotalFark]
2023-02-07 10:56:00 AM  
He must've Incorporated in the U.S.
 
pueblonative
2023-02-07 10:56:55 AM  
The farmer, owned by a man aged in his seventies, was not injured and all the livestock survived.


o_0
 
psychosis_inducing
2023-02-07 11:00:42 AM  
He could hop the Atlantic and do gender reveals.
 
AmbassadorBooze
2023-02-07 11:05:46 AM  
Boys will be boys
 
OtherLittleGuy [BareFark]
2023-02-07 11:08:40 AM  
The boy, who cannot be named for legal reasons because his family has political and social connections,

FTFY.
 
Thosw [BareFark] [OhFark]
2023-02-07 11:09:40 AM  
It appears the insurance company is saying that the farmer should have had better fire suppression instead of blaming the little shiat for starting the fire in the first place.
 
BitwiseShift
2023-02-07 11:09:55 AM  
The boy, who cannot be named ... Lord Valdemort.
 
thealgorerhythm
2023-02-07 11:10:02 AM  
FTFA:The farmer, owned by a man aged in his seventies, was not injured and all the livestock survived.

0.o
 
morg
2023-02-07 11:12:31 AM  
So does this not work like in the US where the insurance company would go after the arsonist's family in civil court?
 
special20 [TotalFark]
2023-02-07 11:19:14 AM  

thealgorerhythm: FTFA:The farmer, owned by a man aged in his seventies, was not injured and all the livestock survived.

0.o


So we're gonna kink shame now?
 
Aardvark Inc.
2023-02-07 11:19:19 AM  

OtherLittleGuy: The boy, who cannot be named for legal reasons because his family has political and social connections,

FTFY.


No, probably not. UK sentencing guidelines lean towards encouraging young offenders to take responsibility for their own actions and promote re-integration into society rather than to punish.

The locals will know who he is & apply social pressure accordingly.
 
dkimball
2023-02-07 11:21:16 AM  
Was that his carbon footprint/credits fine?
 
Tom-Servo
2023-02-07 11:26:01 AM  
FTFA:
"Tackling rural crime will remain a top priority of Thames Valley Police and we will not hesitate in bringing charges to court."

Comedy gold, man! Ha!
 
MikeyFuccon
2023-02-07 11:29:10 AM  
No humans or animals were hurt, and presumably the farmer had insurance. The kid almost certainly doesn't have the money to make the farmer whole anyway.

Here is some information on what a "youth referral order" involves.

TLDR: the kid avoids jail time on condition he gets the help he needs figure out what in blazes (no pun intended) possessed him to burn down an old man's barn, and makes an honest effort to deal with it so he won't re-offend. This may include seeing a court-appointed therapist.

Not only is it more likely to set the kid straight than letting adult prisoners use him as a farktoy for the next N years, it's likely to be much cheaper to boot.

I'll allow it.
 
BeerBear
2023-02-07 11:39:55 AM  

morg: So does this not work like in the US where the insurance company would go after the arsonist's family in civil court?


Ohio here, didn't happen to these 2 brats girls that cause several hundred thousands of damage to they setting a fire at a place I shop. No jail, fines never collected and I think the brats and family scatter to other parts of Ohio now
 
groppet
2023-02-07 11:49:11 AM  
Put him to work mucking out the the stalls.
 
Kalyco Jack
2023-02-07 11:50:09 AM  

edmo: Cost me more than that when I used the F word in front of my mom when I was 12.


I'll bet you learned never to call a woman fat again though!
 
cowsaregoodeating
2023-02-07 11:59:40 AM  
900 Ft. Jesus would like a word

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Took 22 years but finally found a relevant post.
 
Quinzy [OhFark]
2023-02-07 12:04:27 PM  

MikeyFuccon: No humans or animals were hurt, and presumably the farmer had insurance. The kid almost certainly doesn't have the money to make the farmer whole anyway.

Here is some information on what a "youth referral order" involves.

TLDR: the kid avoids jail time on condition he gets the help he needs figure out what in blazes (no pun intended) possessed him to burn down an old man's barn, and makes an honest effort to deal with it so he won't re-offend. This may include seeing a court-appointed therapist.

Not only is it more likely to set the kid straight than letting adult prisoners use him as a farktoy for the next N years, it's likely to be much cheaper to boot.

I'll allow it.


All of that is fine.  But that does not change the fact that an $80 fine is ridiculous.  It is low enough to be pointless.  At least make him work more than a day or two at a crap job to pay for it.
 
Ker_Thwap [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-02-07 12:10:50 PM  
You do understand the small fine wasn't about reparations to the farmer.  It was probably just court costs or whatnot.  You want to turn the kid into some kind of indentured servant for 20 years, or until the farmer dies of old age?

Yeah, it sucks for the farmer.  It sucks that children are stupid and bored and arsony.
 
grimlock1972
2023-02-07 12:22:48 PM  
I won't claim to understand British law, but i'd think the farmer could go after the kid and his parents in a civil lawsuit to recoup damages.
 
meanmutton
2023-02-07 12:24:02 PM  

grimlock1972: I won't claim to understand British law, but i'd think the farmer could go after the kid and his parents in a civil lawsuit to recoup damages.


That's what insurance is for.
 
cowsaregoodeating
2023-02-07 12:31:39 PM  

Ker_Thwap: u do understand the small fine wasn't about reparations to the farmer.  It was probably just court costs or whatnot.  You want to turn the kid into some kind of indentured servant for 20 years, or until the farmer dies of old age?


Just the indentured servant part please. If the old man dies the kid can continue to make reparations to his estate. Optionally the parents can just pay reparations.
 
xanadian [TotalFark]
2023-02-07 1:01:21 PM  

AmbassadorBooze: Boys will be boys


He's just an excitable boy, excitable boy.
 
quo vadimus
2023-02-07 1:05:13 PM  

cowsaregoodeating: Ker_Thwap: u do understand the small fine wasn't about reparations to the farmer.  It was probably just court costs or whatnot.  You want to turn the kid into some kind of indentured servant for 20 years, or until the farmer dies of old age?

Just the indentured servant part please. If the old man dies the kid can continue to make reparations to his estate. Optionally the parents can just pay reparations.


Ah yes, punish humans whose brains are half-developed with lifelong slavery. Are you sure it's just eating that you want to do to cows? Because you seem somewhat extreme in your views on this.
 
cowsaregoodeating
2023-02-07 1:08:36 PM  

quo vadimus: cowsaregoodeating: Ker_Thwap: u do understand the small fine wasn't about reparations to the farmer.  It was probably just court costs or whatnot.  You want to turn the kid into some kind of indentured servant for 20 years, or until the farmer dies of old age?

Just the indentured servant part please. If the old man dies the kid can continue to make reparations to his estate. Optionally the parents can just pay reparations.

Ah yes, punish humans whose brains are half-developed with lifelong slavery. Are you sure it's just eating that you want to do to cows? Because you seem somewhat extreme in your views on this.


He's 16 years old and you want to claim his brain isn't developed enough to know that fire burns.
 
Ker_Thwap [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-02-07 1:22:33 PM  

cowsaregoodeating: quo vadimus: cowsaregoodeating: Ker_Thwap: u do understand the small fine wasn't about reparations to the farmer.  It was probably just court costs or whatnot.  You want to turn the kid into some kind of indentured servant for 20 years, or until the farmer dies of old age?

Just the indentured servant part please. If the old man dies the kid can continue to make reparations to his estate. Optionally the parents can just pay reparations.

Ah yes, punish humans whose brains are half-developed with lifelong slavery. Are you sure it's just eating that you want to do to cows? Because you seem somewhat extreme in your views on this.

He's 16 years old and you want to claim his brain isn't developed enough to know that fire burns.


In a few years when you get to be 16, you'll find that your body changes, and hormones start flooding your brain, and you start making new and impulsive decisions.  Some of those decisions might seem just fascinating at the moment, and you might just forget about the longer term effects of your actions.
 
cowsaregoodeating
2023-02-07 1:33:50 PM  

Ker_Thwap: cowsaregoodeating: quo vadimus: cowsaregoodeating: Ker_Thwap: u do understand the small fine wasn't about reparations to the farmer.  It was probably just court costs or whatnot.  You want to turn the kid into some kind of indentured servant for 20 years, or until the farmer dies of old age?

Just the indentured servant part please. If the old man dies the kid can continue to make reparations to his estate. Optionally the parents can just pay reparations.

Ah yes, punish humans whose brains are half-developed with lifelong slavery. Are you sure it's just eating that you want to do to cows? Because you seem somewhat extreme in your views on this.

He's 16 years old and you want to claim his brain isn't developed enough to know that fire burns.

In a few years when you get to be 16, you'll find that your body changes, and hormones start flooding your brain, and you start making new and impulsive decisions. Some of those decisions might seem just fascinating at the moment, and you might just forget about the longer term effects of your actions.


That's how almost all criminal runs afoul of the law. I suppose in your world anyone under 18 should be allowed to to do anything they want without consequences since they aren't fully developed. Or maybe an $80 dollar fine for anything they do wrong is the correct consequences for any action.
 
Ker_Thwap [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-02-07 1:46:46 PM  

cowsaregoodeating: Ker_Thwap: cowsaregoodeating: quo vadimus: cowsaregoodeating: Ker_Thwap: u do understand the small fine wasn't about reparations to the farmer.  It was probably just court costs or whatnot.  You want to turn the kid into some kind of indentured servant for 20 years, or until the farmer dies of old age?

Just the indentured servant part please. If the old man dies the kid can continue to make reparations to his estate. Optionally the parents can just pay reparations.

Ah yes, punish humans whose brains are half-developed with lifelong slavery. Are you sure it's just eating that you want to do to cows? Because you seem somewhat extreme in your views on this.

He's 16 years old and you want to claim his brain isn't developed enough to know that fire burns.

In a few years when you get to be 16, you'll find that your body changes, and hormones start flooding your brain, and you start making new and impulsive decisions. Some of those decisions might seem just fascinating at the moment, and you might just forget about the longer term effects of your actions.

That's how almost all criminal runs afoul of the law. I suppose in your world anyone under 18 should be allowed to to do anything they want without consequences since they aren't fully developed. Or maybe an $80 dollar fine for anything they do wrong is the correct consequences for any action.


That's not at all what I suggested.  Maybe your HS will offer a course on Logic.
 
cowsaregoodeating
2023-02-07 1:53:47 PM  

Ker_Thwap: cowsaregoodeating: Ker_Thwap: cowsaregoodeating: quo vadimus: cowsaregoodeating: Ker_Thwap: u do understand the small fine wasn't about reparations to the farmer.  It was probably just court costs or whatnot.  You want to turn the kid into some kind of indentured servant for 20 years, or until the farmer dies of old age?

Just the indentured servant part please. If the old man dies the kid can continue to make reparations to his estate. Optionally the parents can just pay reparations.

Ah yes, punish humans whose brains are half-developed with lifelong slavery. Are you sure it's just eating that you want to do to cows? Because you seem somewhat extreme in your views on this.

He's 16 years old and you want to claim his brain isn't developed enough to know that fire burns.

In a few years when you get to be 16, you'll find that your body changes, and hormones start flooding your brain, and you start making new and impulsive decisions. Some of those decisions might seem just fascinating at the moment, and you might just forget about the longer term effects of your actions.

That's how almost all criminal runs afoul of the law. I suppose in your world anyone under 18 should be allowed to to do anything they want without consequences since they aren't fully developed. Or maybe an $80 dollar fine for anything they do wrong is the correct consequences for any action.

That's not at all what I suggested.  Maybe your HS will offer a course on Logic.


You claimed I said something I didn't and now you're hiding behind your own hypocrisy. So tell me seer of all things, is an $80 fine for burning down a mans home and place of business adequate for a 16 year old perpetrator?
 
Ker_Thwap [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-02-07 2:07:32 PM  
No.  I sarcastically suggested that you have much to learn about brain development.  I put no words in your mouth.

Yes, a dumb fine for a minor, along with some kind of teaching/mentoring/engagement in local youth activities program is probably what thiykid needs.   Not every kid lives in a community with such opportunities however.
 
quo vadimus
2023-02-07 2:12:49 PM  

cowsaregoodeating: Ker_Thwap: cowsaregoodeating: quo vadimus: cowsaregoodeating: Ker_Thwap: u do understand the small fine wasn't about reparations to the farmer.  It was probably just court costs or whatnot.  You want to turn the kid into some kind of indentured servant for 20 years, or until the farmer dies of old age?

Just the indentured servant part please. If the old man dies the kid can continue to make reparations to his estate. Optionally the parents can just pay reparations.

Ah yes, punish humans whose brains are half-developed with lifelong slavery. Are you sure it's just eating that you want to do to cows? Because you seem somewhat extreme in your views on this.

He's 16 years old and you want to claim his brain isn't developed enough to know that fire burns.

In a few years when you get to be 16, you'll find that your body changes, and hormones start flooding your brain, and you start making new and impulsive decisions. Some of those decisions might seem just fascinating at the moment, and you might just forget about the longer term effects of your actions.

That's how almost all criminal runs afoul of the law. I suppose in your world anyone under 18 should be allowed to to do anything they want without consequences since they aren't fully developed. Or maybe an $80 dollar fine for anything they do wrong is the correct consequences for any action.


So it does explain, at least in part, why they are - their frontal lobes are there. They're there and they're built. They're just not accessed in as rapid a manner because the insulation to the wiring to them isn't fully developed, so the signals go more slowly. Hence, teenagers are not as readily able to access their frontal lobe to say, oh, I better not do this.

https://www.npr.org/2016/04/15/474348291/why-teens-are-impulsive-addiction-prone-and-should-protect-their-brains

I'm pretty sure you're just a generally pissed off person lacking empathy and humility, but in case you actually wanted to learn something today.
 
Recoil Therapy [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-02-07 2:15:33 PM  
£61 fine (hey, my fone has the pound symbol...) and 500 hours working on the farm over the next year (every Saturday for eight hours and at least one other day during the week for 2-3 hours - or if the kid wants to knock it out quickly, as many hours during the week as the farmer wants. The every Saturday though stays until the time is up).
 
cowsaregoodeating
2023-02-07 2:28:18 PM  
quo vadimus: cowsaregoodeating: That's how almost all criminal runs afoul of the law. I suppose in your world anyone under 18 should be allowed to to do anything they want without consequences since they aren't fully developed. Or maybe an $80 dollar fine for anything they do wrong is the correct consequences for any action.


So it does explain, at least in part, why they are - their frontal lobes are there. They're there and they're built. They're just not accessed in as rapid a manner because the insulation to the wiring to them isn't fully developed, so the signals go more slowly. Hence, teenagers are not as readily able to access their frontal lobe to say, oh, I better not do this.

https://www.npr.org/2016/04/15/474348291/why-teens-are-impulsive-addiction-prone-and-should-protect-their-brains

I'm pretty sure you're just a generally pissed off person lacking empathy and humility, but in case you actually wanted to learn something today.

Clearly you'd be surprised about my personality. At 16 you're developed enough to know that fire destroys things. You're old enough to drive so society believes you have enough capability to operate a multi ton vehicle at 70mph.

Are you saying a 16 year old couldn't understand that burning a mans home and livelihood  has consequences but the consequences of driving a car are completely grasped? Is that same 16 year old completely capable of understanding all of the consequences of performing a job in various industries?

It seems that if they do something wrong they aren't developed but we also give them responsibilities that require them to be fully developed and that's completely fine.
 
AmbassadorBooze
2023-02-07 2:34:24 PM  

Ker_Thwap: No.  I sarcastically suggested that you have much to learn about brain development.  I put no words in your mouth.

Yes, a dumb fine for a minor, along with some kind of teaching/mentoring/engagement in local youth activities program is probably what thiykid needs.   Not every kid lives in a community with such opportunities however.


The kid needs a fine.  What does the farmer need?  A swift kick in the balls?  Who takes responsibility?  The government?  That's a kick in the balls for the tax payers.

If tax payers are responsible for the childrxn, we have authority.  I say we rise up and demand all childrxn, or the the ones who aren't to government standard be put up and raised by professionals in military barracks.  If my non existent childrxn were not performing at the standard, I would volunteer them for the professional programming.  And I would wear my shame, for having produced a substandard unit for the world engine.

It is the responsibility of authority to require all units perform at least to a minimum standard.  By any means necessary.
 
quo vadimus
2023-02-07 2:53:08 PM  

cowsaregoodeating: It seems that if they do something wrong they aren't developed but we also give them responsibilities that require them to be fully developed and that's completely fine.


Right. That's why we let them drink, vote, buy smokes, go to nudie bars, gamble... oh. Oh wait.

Besides, your point is not one. 16 year olds can drive cars. When they fark up, we don't treat them as harshly. 16 year olds can also buy lighters. Now, what would the next statement be if we were going to adhere to our already-established system?

This has stretched on too far to be believable, unless a kid burned down your house with your wife in it or something.

Enjoy your day, and try not to enslave any children.
 
cowsaregoodeating
2023-02-07 2:58:47 PM  

quo vadimus: cowsaregoodeating: It seems that if they do something wrong they aren't developed but we also give them responsibilities that require them to be fully developed and that's completely fine.

Right. That's why we let them drink, vote, buy smokes, go to nudie bars, gamble... oh. Oh wait.

Besides, your point is not one. 16 year olds can drive cars. When they fark up, we don't treat them as harshly. 16 year olds can also buy lighters. Now, what would the next statement be if we were going to adhere to our already-established system?

This has stretched on too far to be believable, unless a kid burned down your house with your wife in it or something.

Enjoy your day, and try not to enslave any children.


I like your ability to ignore every example I gave and then give examples where society has decided they aren't capable of processing the activity.

We don't treat 16 year old's harshly for being irresponsible driving? I've done some of your homework here. You can finish the rest.

You've gone to a ridiculous argument to try and prove you're right but by doing so you've proved I'm right. Welcome to the internet.
 
puffy999 [TotalFark]
2023-02-07 3:17:22 PM  
Six is not old enough to know better.

Sixteen is old enough to know better. Hell, thirteen is old enough to know better when it comes to fire.

But we live in a world where we set hard numbers at 18 and 21 and pretend that there's no grey area.
 
ansius
2023-02-07 3:23:12 PM  

edmo: Cost me more than that when I used the F word in front of my mom when I was 12.


costs more than that to use a swear word on Fark.
 
AmbassadorBooze
2023-02-07 3:31:30 PM  

Recoil Therapy: £61 fine (hey, my fone has the pound symbol...) and 500 hours working on the farm over the next year (every Saturday for eight hours and at least one other day during the week for 2-3 hours - or if the kid wants to knock it out quickly, as many hours during the week as the farmer wants. The every Saturday though stays until the time is up).


1 million pounds and 500 hours of labor to pay it back?  I need a farm job that pays $2k an hour!
 
ctighe2353
2023-02-07 10:37:10 PM  

OtherLittleGuy: The boy, who cannot be named for legal reasons because his family has political and social connections,

FTFY.


Ummmm, they never name anyone under 17 ever so has 0 to do with any of that.

The second your 18 they post your name address and picture well before your trial so even if you get off your screwed

/se what I did there
 
ctighe2353
2023-02-07 10:38:00 PM  
What kind of backwater country would charge a 6 year old

/haaaaaaaa
//I hope you see this
 
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