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(Guardian)   PooTin warns West of unpredictable results if they don't stop supplying advanced weapons that actually work. And by unpredictable he means escalation that everyone else saw coming from a thousand miles away, whether weapons were supplied or not   (theguardian.com) divider line
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hubiestubert [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-02-07 9:12:09 AM  
What's he going to do? ANOTHER Zerg Rush into mounting artillery and missile fire? I don't know if he and his military can handle a few more weeks of 1000+ casualties a day. It sort of...discourages folks. Especially, all those shiny new tin soldiers who are going to realize eventually that the guys they've been disparaging for 'malingering' and hanging back might have some survival instincts.
 
Marcus Aurelius [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-02-07 9:28:21 AM  
The West has one chance to show that Ukraine giving up their nukes wasn't a terrible mistake.  We need to give them F-16s, airborne radars, and all the missiles they can shoot.  Then do Georgia and Chechnya right after.
 
Myrdinn [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-02-07 9:42:26 AM  
Currently, he could loose a thousand folks a day... and it would not deplete his spring and fall callups for about sixteen years.

Now, ruin his country and ethnicity, but Vlad the Incompetent is not thinking logistically.
 
AdmirableSnackbar [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-02-07 9:47:37 AM  
The only thing that puzzles me about the people who are so invested in this war is the concept that Russia is anywhere near a threat to anyone. They've got nothing, absolutely nothing, and yet the fearmongering about Russia's military prowess is rampant. How dumb is that?
 
Myrdinn [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-02-07 9:51:58 AM  

AdmirableSnackbar: The only thing that puzzles me about the people who are so invested in this war is the concept that Russia is anywhere near a threat to anyone. They've got nothing, absolutely nothing, and yet the fearmongering about Russia's military prowess is rampant. How dumb is that?


That paranoia was built up since the end of WII: takes a while to jettison that kind of mental/emotional baggage.
 
Flappyhead
2023-02-07 10:07:54 AM  
Is this when he finally unleashes his REAL army?
 
Mrtraveler01
2023-02-07 10:08:29 AM  

AdmirableSnackbar: The only thing that puzzles me about the people who are so invested in this war is the concept that Russia is anywhere near a threat to anyone.


Ukraine might beg to differ on that.
 
New Farkin User Name
2023-02-07 10:09:35 AM  
"Unpredictable results" is the perfect way to describe Russian weaponry
 
TwilightZone
2023-02-07 10:10:11 AM  
Issue what threats, you want, Vladdy boy, at the end of the day, you're still shorter than Uncle Joe.  And you only liked that fat turd because you have photographic evidence that Trumpski's mushroom wienie is tinier than yours but you were still shorter than Donaldski standing up.
 
Unsung_Hero
2023-02-07 10:10:27 AM  

Mrtraveler01: AdmirableSnackbar: The only thing that puzzles me about the people who are so invested in this war is the concept that Russia is anywhere near a threat to anyone.

Ukraine might beg to differ on that.


It's quite obvious that force is required to contain Russia.

The people who deny this are simply lying because they're rooting for the aggressor.
 
Metastatic Capricorn [TotalFark]
2023-02-07 10:11:20 AM  
When you ask DALL-E 2 for a "Poo Tin"
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Moroning [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-02-07 10:11:57 AM  

AdmirableSnackbar: The only thing that puzzles me about the people who are so invested in this war is the concept that Russia is anywhere near a threat to anyone. They've got nothing, absolutely nothing, and yet the fearmongering about Russia's military prowess is rampant. How dumb is that?


Nothing!?!  Crimea is nothing to you!?!   We're you dropped on your head as a baby?
 
Tchernobog
2023-02-07 10:12:33 AM  
Escalate to what, exactly?  Does he have any escalation left other than nuclear weapons?  Crazy as he is, he has to realize nobody wins in that situation but he absolutely loses.
 
Outshined_One [TotalFark]
2023-02-07 10:12:54 AM  

AdmirableSnackbar: The only thing that puzzles me about the people who are so invested in this war is the concept that Russia is anywhere near a threat to anyone. They've got nothing, absolutely nothing, and yet the fearmongering about Russia's military prowess is rampant. How dumb is that?


Your transformation into Surfin' Tulsi has been so gradual that I barely even noticed until now.
 
Mrtraveler01
2023-02-07 10:13:12 AM  

Unsung_Hero: Mrtraveler01: AdmirableSnackbar: The only thing that puzzles me about the people who are so invested in this war is the concept that Russia is anywhere near a threat to anyone.

Ukraine might beg to differ on that.

It's quite obvious that force is required to contain Russia.

The people who deny this are simply lying because they're rooting for the aggressor.


They just think we'll have peace in our time if we give Putin Ukraine.
 
colon_pow
2023-02-07 10:14:03 AM  
if the question of who controls crimea is so important that we are willing to risk nuclear Armageddon, then why didn't obama do anything when russia grabbed crimea?
 
Ethertap [TotalFark]
2023-02-07 10:14:54 AM  

AdmirableSnackbar: The only thing that puzzles me about the people who are so invested in this war is the concept that Russia is anywhere near a threat to anyone. They've got nothing, absolutely nothing, and yet the fearmongering about Russia's military prowess is rampant. How dumb is that?


The threat to Ukraine is real, even if Russia lacks the kind of modern and reliable weapons needed to effectively strike us here in the states, so the options (as I see them) are :

1) Continue to help Ukraine protect themselves from Russian aggression
2) Stop helping Ukraine and watch them get conquered (not guaranteed, but likely)

Russia is also currently governed by a disease ridden rabid dog, so even if they lack the capacity to effectively attack us or other European allies, I fear him deciding to try and do as much damage as he can on the way out and even a couple nukes chucked out at random would do significant damage to whatever they happen to hit.
 
LL316
2023-02-07 10:15:31 AM  

colon_pow: if the question of who controls crimea is so important that we are willing to risk nuclear Armageddon, then why didn't obama do anything when russia grabbed crimea?


He should have. Any other brain busters?
 
AdmirableSnackbar [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-02-07 10:16:12 AM  

Moroning: AdmirableSnackbar: The only thing that puzzles me about the people who are so invested in this war is the concept that Russia is anywhere near a threat to anyone. They've got nothing, absolutely nothing, and yet the fearmongering about Russia's military prowess is rampant. How dumb is that?

Nothing!?!  Crimea is nothing to you!?!   We're you dropped on your head as a baby?


In the grand scheme of things, it's nothing. Russia can't even invade a neighboring country properly, one that is fighting with a little assistance. What makes you think that Russia's military is a threat to nations with a more modern military than Ukraine?
 
Tarl3k
2023-02-07 10:16:27 AM  
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AdmirableSnackbar [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-02-07 10:17:09 AM  

Outshined_One: AdmirableSnackbar: The only thing that puzzles me about the people who are so invested in this war is the concept that Russia is anywhere near a threat to anyone. They've got nothing, absolutely nothing, and yet the fearmongering about Russia's military prowess is rampant. How dumb is that?

Your transformation into Surfin' Tulsi has been so gradual that I barely even noticed until now.


I support Ukraine and we need to stop Russia, dumbass. Beyond that, Russia is no threat to anyone. Are you really that intent on fearmongering about an inept military because Russia?
 
Moroning [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-02-07 10:17:53 AM  

colon_pow: if the question of who controls crimea is so important that we are willing to risk nuclear Armageddon, then why didn't obama do anything when russia grabbed crimea?


Tell you what Sparky. Okay some EU4 and try to keep Crimea for any length of time.  It will help show you how important it is and had been for centuries.
 
Ragin' Asian [TotalFark]
2023-02-07 10:18:22 AM  
If Ukraine is cut off from more advanced weaponry, Putin will retreat and return annexed territory? I think we can trust this guy.
 
Cokezeroinacan
2023-02-07 10:18:39 AM  

AdmirableSnackbar: The only thing that puzzles me about the people who are so invested in this war is the concept that Russia is anywhere near a threat to anyone. They've got nothing, absolutely nothing, and yet the fearmongering about Russia's military prowess is rampant. How dumb is that?


The murdered people in Ukraine might beg to differ.
 
Moroning [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-02-07 10:18:49 AM  
Hey iPhone how do you get okay from play?
 
AdmirableSnackbar [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-02-07 10:19:20 AM  

Ethertap: AdmirableSnackbar: The only thing that puzzles me about the people who are so invested in this war is the concept that Russia is anywhere near a threat to anyone. They've got nothing, absolutely nothing, and yet the fearmongering about Russia's military prowess is rampant. How dumb is that?

The threat to Ukraine is real, even if Russia lacks the kind of modern and reliable weapons needed to effectively strike us here in the states, so the options (as I see them) are :

1) Continue to help Ukraine protect themselves from Russian aggression
2) Stop helping Ukraine and watch them get conquered (not guaranteed, but likely)

Russia is also currently governed by a disease ridden rabid dog, so even if they lack the capacity to effectively attack us or other European allies, I fear him deciding to try and do as much damage as he can on the way out and even a couple nukes chucked out at random would do significant damage to whatever they happen to hit.


I'm fully supportive of the first option there. My point is that Russia is not a global threat by any stretch of the imagination.
 
Myrdinn [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-02-07 10:19:45 AM  

AdmirableSnackbar: I support Ukraine and we need to stop Russia, dumbass. Beyond that, Russia is no threat to anyone. Are you really that intent on fearmongering about an inept military because Russia?


I would say it is still a regional threat (see Georgia), and a destabilizing influence.
At the very least, I do not think Russia should have an automatic veto in the Security Council any longer (which also means, I think the US no longer needs one).
 
lincoln65
2023-02-07 10:19:54 AM  
Yeah man once you make a nuclear threat, and then do it 30 more times over the same red lines, and your army is garbage falling apart and you can't make it more than 50 miles across the border, people stop taking your barking seriously
 
Snarcoleptic_Hoosier
2023-02-07 10:21:37 AM  
Fine with me, Vlad. You withdraw first and the advanced weapons stop coming into Ukraine.

The US will offer a billion dollars in any currency for the group or person that successfully assassinates you, though.
 
Psylence
2023-02-07 10:21:53 AM  
Just shut the fark up you cancer ridden, weak pissant little turd. You are irrelevant. You are weak. Your country is weak and useless, and the world does NOT need you.
 
sigdiamond2000
2023-02-07 10:22:37 AM  
Tankie alert
 
Jeff5
2023-02-07 10:22:57 AM  
When you are getting your ass beat by a pick-up squad using the equipment the varsity quit using a decade ago...

Every time any Russian official above the equivalent of "Mayor of Amarillo" says something about being "at war against NATO" they should automatically be awarded 24 hours of unrestricted conventional war, against NATO.
 
neaorin
2023-02-07 10:24:24 AM  
FTFA: In remarks during a conference call with military officials, quoted by state-owned Tass news agency, Shoigu accused the US and its allies of "trying to prolong the conflict as much as possible" by supplying Kyiv with what he described as "heavy offensive weapons".

No, they're not trying to prolong the conflict; they're trying to make Russia lose it. There's a difference.
 
Halfabee64
2023-02-07 10:29:02 AM  

Myrdinn: Currently, he could loose a thousand folks a day... and it would not deplete his spring and fall callups for about sixteen years.

Now, ruin his country and ethnicity, but Vlad the Incompetent is not thinking logistically.


What kind of recruit is he going to get at this point?  He's already scraped the bottom of the barrel and Wager prison conscripts are beating their commanders to death with shovels.  His regular army is dead, his elite forces are dead, the gopniks are dead, the prison trash are dead, and the wealthy have fled.  They have no weapons, no ammo, no supplies, no food, and no morale.
 
saintstryfe [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-02-07 10:30:16 AM  

AdmirableSnackbar: Ethertap: AdmirableSnackbar: The only thing that puzzles me about the people who are so invested in this war is the concept that Russia is anywhere near a threat to anyone. They've got nothing, absolutely nothing, and yet the fearmongering about Russia's military prowess is rampant. How dumb is that?

The threat to Ukraine is real, even if Russia lacks the kind of modern and reliable weapons needed to effectively strike us here in the states, so the options (as I see them) are :

1) Continue to help Ukraine protect themselves from Russian aggression
2) Stop helping Ukraine and watch them get conquered (not guaranteed, but likely)

Russia is also currently governed by a disease ridden rabid dog, so even if they lack the capacity to effectively attack us or other European allies, I fear him deciding to try and do as much damage as he can on the way out and even a couple nukes chucked out at random would do significant damage to whatever they happen to hit.

I'm fully supportive of the first option there. My point is that Russia is not a global threat by any stretch of the imagination.


Russia is always a threat because you can't break them. They have the resources to keep going even if massively hobbled. Hell, even attacking them is kind of useless because they can just retreat back - and they have enough space to kill your supply lines.

That said, that's pretty much all they have, and if you aren't trying to invade, they're entirely beatable on your terms. They just cannot bring force projection - they can have stacks of Soviet-era tech but they can't get it anywhere.
 
Hey Nurse! [OhFark]
2023-02-07 10:31:50 AM  
BFD. He's getting his ass handed to him by farmers (granted, badass farmers). What's he actually going to do? He's out of soldiers, he's out of equipment, he's out of ammunition, and his own people are plotting behind his back. Him and that fat little bastard with the bad haircut should hold an impotency contest to raise money for food.
 
RasIanI
2023-02-07 10:32:58 AM  
So - Putin is basically saying that Russia is not allowed to lose. And that if they do, then the entirety of NATO should commence shaking in their boots.

That is some impressive logic.
 
Myrdinn [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-02-07 10:33:46 AM  

Halfabee64: Myrdinn: Currently, he could loose a thousand folks a day... and it would not deplete his spring and fall callups for about sixteen years.

Now, ruin his country and ethnicity, but Vlad the Incompetent is not thinking logistically.

What kind of recruit is he going to get at this point?  He's already scraped the bottom of the barrel and Wager prison conscripts are beating their commanders to death with shovels.  His regular army is dead, his elite forces are dead, the gopniks are dead, the prison trash are dead, and the wealthy have fled.  They have no weapons, no ammo, no supplies, no food, and no morale.


"Recruit" in this sense is "a male who just turned seventeen."
There are about three? hundred thousand who mature every six months, and about forty percent of them can bribe out of serving in the military.  The remainder ~180k are a fresh crop.
 
houginator
2023-02-07 10:33:49 AM  

AdmirableSnackbar: The only thing that puzzles me about the people who are so invested in this war is the concept that Russia is anywhere near a threat to anyone.


There are thousands and thousands of dead Ukrainians who might disagree.  And don't forget that Russia's losses also include thousands and thousands of Ukrainians who were forcibly drafted by occupying forces and are now being thrown into the meat grinder.

Russia's military isn't all it could be in the hands of competent and professional soldiers with capable civilian leadership, but its enough to cause real problems for any country they chose to invade.  And that's before getting into their CBRN weapons, which can still cause massive loss of life even if employed poorly.
 
Chajeungna
2023-02-07 10:35:44 AM  

AdmirableSnackbar: I'm fully supportive of the first option there. My point is that Russia is not a global threat by any stretch of the imagination.


This you, fam?

AdmirableSnackbar: The only thing that puzzles me about the people who are so invested in this war is the concept that Russia is anywhere near a threat to anyone.
 
Rwa2play [TotalFark]
2023-02-07 10:36:44 AM  

Flappyhead: Is this when he finally unleashes his REAL army?


His "real" army are actually protecting him and each other from becoming ancient history.
 
AdmirableSnackbar [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-02-07 10:37:35 AM  

Chajeungna: AdmirableSnackbar: I'm fully supportive of the first option there. My point is that Russia is not a global threat by any stretch of the imagination.

This you, fam?

AdmirableSnackbar: The only thing that puzzles me about the people who are so invested in this war is the concept that Russia is anywhere near a threat to anyone.


Yup. They're not serious threat. They're proving that by their inability to invade a neighboring country and getting their asses kicked by people with little to no training and farm equipment, helped moreso now by some more modern weaponry.

I mean, the whole point of our ~$1T annual defense budget is to defend against a Russian attack, how stupid does that look now?
 
AmbassadorBooze
2023-02-07 10:37:39 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: The West has one chance to show that Ukraine giving up their nukes wasn't a terrible mistake.  We need to give them F-16s, airborne radars, and all the missiles they can shoot.  Then do Georgia and Chechnya right after.


We need to give Ukraine nukes.
 
HotWingConspiracy
2023-02-07 10:39:08 AM  
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neaorin
2023-02-07 10:41:10 AM  

AdmirableSnackbar: The only thing that puzzles me about the people who are so invested in this war is the concept that Russia is anywhere near a threat to anyone. They've got nothing, absolutely nothing, and yet the fearmongering about Russia's military prowess is rampant. How dumb is that?


I'd like to remind you that Russia's military prowess was pretty crappy during the first year of WW2 (which was 1940-41 for them, ignoring all the Far East skirmishes vs the Japanese and the Eastern Poland walkover).

And for many of the same reasons: the military had been purged to ensure "loyalty to the supreme leader", a process that left a bunch of incompetent military leaders in place who didn't like to give the big man any bad news.

Forced by the prospect of losing the war, they turned things around. Yes, a lot of that was simply throwing men into the meat grinder, but they still have the ability to do that again. Especially if Putin's message of "the West wants us all dead" catches on. He has immediately latched on to the "German tanks are threatening Russians again" narrative. And a lot of people who disagree with him that have already left Russia...

Also, I would not be quick to discount the value of acquiring real combat experience (see also: Ukraine in 2014 as opposed to 2022) if a larger ground war would ensue.
 
Cokezeroinacan
2023-02-07 10:41:45 AM  

Rwa2play: Flappyhead: Is this when he finally unleashes his REAL army?

His "real" army are actually protecting him and each other from becoming ancient history.


His real army are the Neo Nazis he has supported along the way.
 
Wessoman
2023-02-07 10:42:11 AM  

LL316: colon_pow: if the question of who controls crimea is so important that we are willing to risk nuclear Armageddon, then why didn't obama do anything when russia grabbed crimea?

He should have. Any other brain busters?


I know i've blocked Colon Pow for being too stupid to deal with, but to answer his question for the billionth time: The reason Obama didn't do anything is because at the time the head of the DIA was a Russian Asset named Micheal Flynn who told the joint chiefs of staff to stand down. Then Obama fired him for being a Russian asset.

When an idiot conservative asks that question, they are also admitting that Micheal Flynn was a Russian asset.
 
indy_kid
2023-02-07 10:43:18 AM  

Myrdinn: Currently, he could loose a thousand folks a day... and it would not deplete his spring and fall callups for about sixteen years.



You think the Russian MIC has enough money to support a war for 16 years?  Artillery fire is down 60-70% since the start, and new toys are reaching the Ukrainians.

You think word of the Orc death toll hasn't reached the far ends of the federation?  You think the ethnic minorities will just go along with being drafted, instead of starting a half-dozen revolutions across the federation?  Just one of the federations starts something and Putin has his 2-front war.  If one part breaks away, many more will follow.
 
AdmirableSnackbar [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-02-07 10:45:00 AM  

neaorin: AdmirableSnackbar: The only thing that puzzles me about the people who are so invested in this war is the concept that Russia is anywhere near a threat to anyone. They've got nothing, absolutely nothing, and yet the fearmongering about Russia's military prowess is rampant. How dumb is that?

I'd like to remind you that Russia's military prowess was pretty crappy during the first year of WW2 (which was 1940-41 for them, ignoring all the Far East skirmishes vs the Japanese and the Eastern Poland walkover).

And for many of the same reasons: the military had been purged to ensure "loyalty to the supreme leader", a process that left a bunch of incompetent military leaders in place who didn't like to give the big man any bad news.

Forced by the prospect of losing the war, they turned things around. Yes, a lot of that was simply throwing men into the meat grinder, but they still have the ability to do that again. Especially if Putin's message of "the West wants us all dead" catches on. He has immediately latched on to the "German tanks are threatening Russians again" narrative. And a lot of people who disagree with him that have already left Russia...

Also, I would not be quick to discount the value of acquiring real combat experience (see also: Ukraine in 2014 as opposed to 2022) if a larger ground war would ensue.


Oh jeez I'm really scared now!
 
Chajeungna
2023-02-07 10:45:24 AM  

Myrdinn: Currently, he could loose a thousand folks a day... and it would not deplete his spring and fall callups for about sixteen years.

Now, ruin his country and ethnicity, but Vlad the Incompetent is not thinking logistically.


Dat math tho. Probably a decimal point zagged when it should have zigged.

1,000/day x 365 days/year x 16 years = 5.84M soldiers. I admit to not doing the tally myself, but I don't think he's recruited 5.84M soldiers, which would be 5x the usual standing active Russian army.
 
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