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(WTVY Dothan)   Alabama Sheriff's offices are reeling from a loss of pistol permit revenue. How can they stay afloat? How about free government money?   (wtvy.com) divider line
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DocUi
2023-02-06 5:38:37 PM  
Just civil asset forfeiture your way back to profits.
 
olorin604
2023-02-06 5:39:29 PM  
As much as I think permitting is necessary, funding police departments through permitting is bullshiat.
 
kozlo [OhFark]
2023-02-06 5:42:02 PM  
Hahahahaha as a northerner and a gun owner, why isn't the NRA all over this one? I didn't know pistol permits were a thing. So they're historically all up in arms about background checks and freedom to own guns but they're okay with having to apply for a pistol permit and pay extra $$? I've owned 7 guns in my lifetime, 2 pistols included, and have never paid outside of the cost of the gun and the background check.
 
Meatsim1
2023-02-06 5:42:12 PM  

olorin604: As much as I think permitting is necessary, funding police departments through permitting is bullshiat.


Might as well make the people who are contributing most to violent crime also be the ones to pay for law enforcement.  We'd have to reform law enforcement to actually preventing crimes, but still its a good idea
 
RoboZombie
2023-02-06 5:42:27 PM  
JFC. Well, dont drive through Alabama with out of state plates for the next....for ever. They'll ticketing the bejeesus outta everyone
 
Your_Midnight_Man
2023-02-06 5:43:26 PM  
Isn't that.. socialism?
 
RoboZombie
2023-02-06 5:43:43 PM  

kozlo: Hahahahaha as a northerner and a gun owner, why isn't the NRA all over this one? I didn't know pistol permits were a thing. So they're historically all up in arms about background checks and freedom to own guns but they're okay with having to apply for a pistol permit and pay extra $$? I've owned 7 guns in my lifetime, 2 pistols included, and have never paid outside of the cost of the gun and the background check.


I think these are for concealed carry permits (or were).
But yeah, point taken right?
"Shall not be infringed!1!1!11!!"
 
Sexy Jesus [recently expired TotalFark]
2023-02-06 5:45:13 PM  
The sheriffs won't be needed so much with more guns on the street, the shooting of black people will now be distributed.
 
kozlo [OhFark]
2023-02-06 5:47:03 PM  
RoboZombie:

As I understand, that's a CCW license. Isn't that different a pistol permit? I don't know, this is all new to me.
 
eKonk
2023-02-06 5:48:01 PM  

Your_Midnight_Man: Isn't that.. socialism?


Yes. Yes it is.

The Republican party is the party of socialists. Pass it on.
 
Vacation Bible School
2023-02-06 5:48:15 PM  

Your_Midnight_Man: Isn't that.. socialism?


Freedomism!!

Yes, that's correctly spelled with 2 exclamation points.
 
Smelly Pirate Hooker
2023-02-06 5:48:29 PM  
LOL, that's hilarious.
 
BeansNfranks
2023-02-06 5:48:54 PM  
FTFA: Pistol permits have historically made up a significant portion of sheriff's office funding in Alabama.


Did they used to have yearly permit requirements? Seems like a weird thing to hang your budget on something that can fluctuate at the drop of a hat.
 
MoonFull
2023-02-06 5:49:27 PM  
die pigs
 
Benevolent Misanthrope [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-02-06 5:50:46 PM  

kozlo: Hahahahaha as a northerner and a gun owner, why isn't the NRA all over this one? I didn't know pistol permits were a thing. So they're historically all up in arms about background checks and freedom to own guns but they're okay with having to apply for a pistol permit and pay extra $$? I've owned 7 guns in my lifetime, 2 pistols included, and have never paid outside of the cost of the gun and the background check.


Ummm... no.  The NRA were the ones lobbying to get state legislatures to pass laws saying that Cletus can carry any-ol' gun he wants as long as he's 18 and ain't nobody ever throwed him in the loony bin for more'n a day'r 2.

I think before the government gives them any more money, they need to do a complete audit of every community to see how the cops could be streamlined.  Not every 1-horse town needs a full police force.  Run it like a business you stupid f*cks.   That's what you tell your schools and libraries to do.
 
Dr Dreidel
2023-02-06 5:53:45 PM  

BeansNfranks: FTFA: Pistol permits have historically made up a significant portion of sheriff's office funding in Alabama.


IIRC those sheriffs were warning about this very thing happening when the new rule was being discussed.

I don't know if this is a "stupid games/stupid prizes" situation, or "congratulations you played yourself" or what, but I'm loving the delicious ironing of the police being defunded by farking ALABAMA.

// Ala-BLAM-a?
 
MikeyFuccon
2023-02-06 5:54:29 PM  
In that part of the world, Those People were the only ones likely to face real consequences for carrying without a permit.

Short-term, the permits were effectively a tax on Those People. The rationale was: Those People are the reason our town needs a professional police force at all, make Those People pay.

Long-term, the permits promised to be a valuable source of information on Those Gun Owners when America was Great Again and Those People could finally be openly relieved of any effective means of self-defense against "well-regulated" White death squads.

Every accusation is a confession, and the only people with any serious plans to disarm honest Americans before packing them off to slave labour camps (or worse) are the Redcaps themselves.
 
olorin604
2023-02-06 5:55:33 PM  

Meatsim1: olorin604: As much as I think permitting is necessary, funding police departments through permitting is bullshiat.

Might as well make the people who are contributing most to violent crime also be the ones to pay for law enforcement.  We'd have to reform law enforcement to actually preventing crimes, but still its a good idea


Yah, I don't think the people "contributing most to violent crime" are the ones following all the legalities and paying for permits.
 
ImpendingCynic
2023-02-06 5:59:39 PM  

RoboZombie: JFC. Well, dont drive through Alabama with out of state plates for the next....for ever. They'll ticketing the bejeesus outta everyone


"Don't drive through Alabama" is sufficient.
 
kozlo [OhFark]
2023-02-06 5:59:48 PM  
Benevolent Misanthrope:

Right I get that, but I would think the NRA would take umbrage with a local government charging for a permit. Isn't this a gun tax? Why am I writing campaign material for the gun lobby now?
 
Benevolent Misanthrope [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-02-06 6:00:03 PM  

Dr Dreidel: BeansNfranks: FTFA: Pistol permits have historically made up a significant portion of sheriff's office funding in Alabama.

IIRC those sheriffs were warning about this very thing happening when the new rule was being discussed.

I don't know if this is a "stupid games/stupid prizes" situation, or "congratulations you played yourself" or what, but I'm loving the delicious ironing of the police being defunded by farking ALABAMA.

// Ala-BLAM-a?


This is literally an article about how the f*cking pigs are being given tons non-police-earmarked money that could have gone to other things, because those pigf*ck-ignorant hicks can't process the idea of defunding them even a little bit.
 
dericwater
2023-02-06 6:01:39 PM  

olorin604: Meatsim1: olorin604: As much as I think permitting is necessary, funding police departments through permitting is bullshiat.

Might as well make the people who are contributing most to violent crime also be the ones to pay for law enforcement.  We'd have to reform law enforcement to actually preventing crimes, but still its a good idea

Yah, I don't think the people "contributing most to violent crime" are the ones following all the legalities and paying for permits.


They could be. Most mass shooters aren't career criminals. They were never criminals until they kill their first victim.
 
cousin-merle
2023-02-06 6:03:10 PM  

BeansNfranks: FTFA: Pistol permits have historically made up a significant portion of sheriff's office funding in Alabama.

Did they used to have yearly permit requirements? Seems like a weird thing to hang your budget on something that can fluctuate at the drop of a hat.


It's probably been going up every year with more people hoarding guns. I notice they chose the 2022 number to base budget on, not, say, a 10-year-average.
 
cousin-merle
2023-02-06 6:04:19 PM  

cousin-merle: BeansNfranks: FTFA: Pistol permits have historically made up a significant portion of sheriff's office funding in Alabama.

Did they used to have yearly permit requirements? Seems like a weird thing to hang your budget on something that can fluctuate at the drop of a hat.

It's probably been going up every year with more people hoarding guns. I notice they chose the 2022 number to base budget on, not, say, a 10-year-average.


To follow up on this, I am surprised the article doesn't say that the police would get automatic increases from the 2022 number.
 
Dr Dreidel
2023-02-06 6:04:26 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: Dr Dreidel: BeansNfranks: FTFA: Pistol permits have historically made up a significant portion of sheriff's office funding in Alabama.

IIRC those sheriffs were warning about this very thing happening when the new rule was being discussed.

I don't know if this is a "stupid games/stupid prizes" situation, or "congratulations you played yourself" or what, but I'm loving the delicious ironing of the police being defunded by farking ALABAMA.

// Ala-BLAM-a?

This is literally an article about how the f*cking pigs are being given tons non-police-earmarked money that could have gone to other things, because those pigf*ck-ignorant hicks can't process the idea of defunding them even a little bit.


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You guys read the article?
 
Senseless_drivel
2023-02-06 6:05:15 PM  
That's some mighty fine govmentin thar.

The association said it looks forward to working with the governor and lawmakers "in the upcoming legislative session to ensure that these funds are permanently allocated and sufficient to restore our ability to fulfill our sworn duty to protect and serve all of Alabama's citizens."

Eliminate the individual fees and permanently spread the cost to all Alabama taxpayers. Wonder which program they'll take the money from?
 
Benevolent Misanthrope [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-02-06 6:06:52 PM  

kozlo: Benevolent Misanthrope:

Right I get that, but I would think the NRA would take umbrage with a local government charging for a permit. Isn't this a gun tax? Why am I writing campaign material for the gun lobby now?


They did take umbrage.  They took ALL the umbrage.  They lobbied states all over the country to stop local governments charging for a permit, that's how much umbrage they took.

And now the pigs get money that might have gone to schools, libraries, senior centers... because the NRA and Cleti all over Alabama think it's a violation of their freedoms to have them pay for a permit to carry a gun with them everywhere they go.
 
whr21
2023-02-06 6:07:05 PM  

olorin604: Meatsim1: olorin604: As much as I think permitting is necessary, funding police departments through permitting is bullshiat.

Might as well make the people who are contributing most to violent crime also be the ones to pay for law enforcement.  We'd have to reform law enforcement to actually preventing crimes, but still its a good idea

Yah, I don't think the people "contributing most to violent crime" are the ones following all the legalities and paying for permits.


No they're the ones getting the free money for not handing them out anymore.
 
AmbassadorBooze
2023-02-06 6:10:33 PM  
How can they stay afloat?  Balloons of course.

Just have the cops get in on the ground floor of world peace and start pumping out millions of "weather balloons".
 
Unobtanium [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-02-06 6:12:39 PM  
"A couple of core tenants of the Ivey Administration is that we back the blue in the strongest way possible and that we support upholding our citizens' Second Amendment rights..."

It's a quote. If it was a written statement, that's on the Governor's office. If it's a verbal statement, that's on the editor....
 
kozlo [OhFark]
2023-02-06 6:13:11 PM  
Benevolent Misanthrope:

I uh, still don't follow. Honestly I just got off a 10 hour hospital shift. So the NRA lobbied for no gun permits, but it's their fault that the money is going to the pigs instead of to things of value like libraries and other things that actually can make a community nice?
 
Bith Set Me Up
2023-02-06 6:15:25 PM  

olorin604: As much as I think permitting is necessary, funding police departments through permitting is bullshiat.


FTFY.

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atomic-age
2023-02-06 6:15:31 PM  
Alabama is a welfare queen state. They biatch and moan about the (Federal) government, but that hand is always out.
 
replacementcool
2023-02-06 6:15:35 PM  
Whose farking stupid idea of a policy was "Hey, what if we paid for law enforcement by making sure as many farking idiots as possible are armed at all times"
 
abitofbuffalo
2023-02-06 6:17:13 PM  
So they accidentally defunded the police and decided socialism is the best option for rectifying the situation?

They should do a couple of bake sales to bootstrap their own funds.
 
replacementcool
2023-02-06 6:17:40 PM  

olorin604: Meatsim1: olorin604: As much as I think permitting is necessary, funding police departments through permitting is bullshiat.

Might as well make the people who are contributing most to violent crime also be the ones to pay for law enforcement.  We'd have to reform law enforcement to actually preventing crimes, but still its a good idea

Yah, I don't think the people "contributing most to violent crime" are the ones following all the legalities and paying for permits.


ah yes, the "responsible gun owners"
 
gameshowhost [OhFark]
2023-02-06 6:19:49 PM  
all i see here is proof that the north is more racist.
 
hausman007
2023-02-06 6:19:50 PM  
I'm sure these towns will just increase the quotas on "safety" enforcement, 1 mph over the posted limit on a downhill, is going to bring in bank, er I mean, increase the safety of the citizens.
 
emtwo
2023-02-06 6:22:36 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: And now the pigs get money that might have gone to schools, libraries, senior centers...


Oh, you sweet summer child.
 
NOLAhd [OhFark]
2023-02-06 6:29:56 PM  
Well, an armed society is a polite society, so with all the guns there will be less crime and the sheriffs won't need the budgets they used to.

That's sarcasm in case anyone couldn't tell.
 
Meatsim1
2023-02-06 6:32:02 PM  

olorin604: Meatsim1: olorin604: As much as I think permitting is necessary, funding police departments through permitting is bullshiat.

Might as well make the people who are contributing most to violent crime also be the ones to pay for law enforcement.  We'd have to reform law enforcement to actually preventing crimes, but still its a good idea

Yah, I don't think the people "contributing most to violent crime" are the ones following all the legalities and paying for permits.


Gun buyers are the reason criminals get their hands on guns.  People buy them, don't store them safely, criminals steal them.  Damn near every single gun used in a crime was legally sold at one point in time.  So yeah its the people who were applying for these permits, buying guns, and putting more guns out there that are contributing to crime.
 
Benevolent Misanthrope [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-02-06 6:33:20 PM  

kozlo: Benevolent Misanthrope:

I uh, still don't follow. Honestly I just got off a 10 hour hospital shift. So the NRA lobbied for no gun permits, but it's their fault that the money is going to the pigs instead of to things of value like libraries and other things that actually can make a community nice?


Go take a nap.  Jeez.  I feel for you.

It's the NRA's doing that Alabama no longer requires permits.  Which, to my mind, is a f*cking problem generally.

It is not, however, the NRA's direct fault the money is going to the pigs.  It's the dumbasses of Alabama, who didn't even consider financial accountability as a condition of raiding other programs to keep the pigs in slops.
 
Benevolent Misanthrope [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-02-06 6:34:24 PM  

emtwo: Benevolent Misanthrope: And now the pigs get money that might have gone to schools, libraries, senior centers...

Oh, you sweet summer child.


I said might... I know, might happen when monkeys fly out of Nick Saban's ass, but still.
 
kozlo [OhFark]
2023-02-06 6:39:09 PM  
Benevolent Misanthrope:

I see, thanks for clarifying. I actually read the article now (lol) and I see this was for concealed carry permits, which up here are called CCWs. I agree that they should be held financially accountable, because damn near everything else is under a microscope for spending by the same crowd of people. But it's the police so of course they need an M2 Bradley AFV for traffic control.
 
tedthebellhopp
2023-02-06 6:45:47 PM  

Bith Set Me Up: olorin604: As much as I think permitting is necessary, funding police departments through permitting is bullshiat.

FTFY.

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Great idea, worst tag line ever. 90% of the ad campaign is damage control for people to understand what is really meant.
 
olorin604
2023-02-06 6:45:57 PM  

Meatsim1: olorin604: Meatsim1: olorin604: As much as I think permitting is necessary, funding police departments through permitting is bullshiat.

Might as well make the people who are contributing most to violent crime also be the ones to pay for law enforcement.  We'd have to reform law enforcement to actually preventing crimes, but still its a good idea

Yah, I don't think the people "contributing most to violent crime" are the ones following all the legalities and paying for permits.

Gun buyers are the reason criminals get their hands on guns.  People buy them, don't store them safely, criminals steal them.  Damn near every single gun used in a crime was legally sold at one point in time.  So yeah its the people who were applying for these permits, buying guns, and putting more guns out there that are contributing to crime.


These permits have nothing to do with purchasing guns, they have to do with carrying guns.

Of course every gun has been sold legally at some point, the manufactures have no interest in making illegal sales. The problem is that wholesalers have very little incentive to not sell to straw purchasers or to prevent their firearms making it to one.
 
John the Magnificent
2023-02-06 6:46:19 PM  

Dr Dreidel: Benevolent Misanthrope: Dr Dreidel: BeansNfranks: FTFA: Pistol permits have historically made up a significant portion of sheriff's office funding in Alabama.

IIRC those sheriffs were warning about this very thing happening when the new rule was being discussed.

I don't know if this is a "stupid games/stupid prizes" situation, or "congratulations you played yourself" or what, but I'm loving the delicious ironing of the police being defunded by farking ALABAMA.

// Ala-BLAM-a?

This is literally an article about how the f*cking pigs are being given tons non-police-earmarked money that could have gone to other things, because those pigf*ck-ignorant hicks can't process the idea of defunding them even a little bit.

[i.imgflip.com image 250x172]

You guys read the article?


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ProbablyDrunk
2023-02-06 6:49:52 PM  
Farking welfare queens.
 
lostsatellite
2023-02-06 6:52:37 PM  
"Tenets," not "tenants," Gov. Meemaw.
 
pxlboy [TotalFark]
2023-02-06 6:58:33 PM  
I call bullshiat. Southern police departments make their money from traffic tickets.
 
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