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2023-02-06 12:23:11 PM  
He is negotiating as part of the Problem-Solvers Caucus, which is bipartisan and can solve this problem without Qevin, if needed.

List of Members:

https://problemsolverscaucus.house.gov/members
 
2023-02-06 12:24:23 PM  
When will he have his hunting accident?
 
2023-02-06 12:24:33 PM  
No cuts. Clean bill. Piss off.
 
2023-02-06 2:04:53 PM  
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2023-02-06 2:53:22 PM  

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Why do we even have a debt ceiling?
 
2023-02-06 3:36:46 PM  

edmo: [Fark user image 425x318]


49 times we fought that beast.
 
2023-02-06 3:37:13 PM  

NewportBarGuy: edmo: [Fark user image 425x318]

Why do we even have a debt ceiling?


So politicians can campaign on the issue and raise money.
 
2023-02-06 3:37:45 PM  

NewportBarGuy: edmo: [Fark user image 425x318]

Why do we even have a debt ceiling?


Because congress is the dumbest branch and accordingly does stupid shiat
 
2023-02-06 3:38:53 PM  
Brian Fitzpatrick is on board.

But what about Patrick Fitzbrian?
 
2023-02-06 3:39:24 PM  

AmbassadorBooze: NewportBarGuy: edmo: [Fark user image 425x318]

Why do we even have a debt ceiling?

So politicians can campaign on the issue and raise money.


Yep. People against raising the debt ceiling are inevitably saying "I'm mad as hell about the debt but not actually mad enough to do anything about it when budgeting time comes around."
 
2023-02-06 3:39:54 PM  

Weatherkiss: edmo: [Fark user image 425x318]

49 times we fought that beast.


Your old man and me. It had a chicken head with duck feet. With a woman's face too.
 
2023-02-06 3:40:45 PM  

NewportBarGuy: edmo: [Fark user image 425x318]

Why do we even have a debt ceiling?


So pants-on-head Republicans can grandstand and/or nuke the world economy.
 
2023-02-06 3:40:52 PM  
They will absolutely solve the problem of making sure the DOD get's more money than it requests, and that farmers get their checks.
 
2023-02-06 3:41:03 PM  

BigMax: He is negotiating as part of the Problem-Solvers Caucus, which is bipartisan and can solve this problem without Qevin, if needed.

List of Members:

https://problemsolverscaucus.house.gov/members


Are they going to support permanently suspending or abolishing the debt ceiling? If not, I'd like to know exactly what problem that caucus is solving.
 
2023-02-06 3:41:05 PM  

NewportBarGuy: Why do we even have a debt ceiling?


Because the Republicans like to use it for leverage and therefore only extend it the minimum amount of time possible. They also love using it as a cudgel against the Democrats "you voted for more debt" and so the Dems, in typical, cowering fashion, only extend it as far as the Republicans are willing to support.

The Democrats could have easily voted to raise the limit to $50 trillion via a reconciliation bill last term and we'd never have to talk about this again. The Republicans would have zero leverage over Biden to make cuts and the economy would not be on the brink. But the Democrats chose not to. And now the Republicans decide whether our economy is going to crash or not.
 
2023-02-06 3:41:21 PM  

palelizard: Weatherkiss: edmo: [Fark user image 425x318]

49 times we fought that beast.

Your old man and me. It had a chicken head with duck feet. With a woman's face too.


Aw, that's rad!
 
2023-02-06 3:42:25 PM  

BigMax: He is negotiating as part of the Problem-Solvers Caucus, which is bipartisan and can solve this problem without Qevin, if needed.

List of Members:

https://problemsolverscaucus.house.gov/members


Can it? Doesn't the Hastert Rule require half the Republicans to be on board before it gets brought to the floor?
 
2023-02-06 3:43:11 PM  

Serious Black: BigMax: He is negotiating as part of the Problem-Solvers Caucus, which is bipartisan and can solve this problem without Qevin, if needed.

List of Members:

https://problemsolverscaucus.house.gov/members

Are they going to support permanently suspending or abolishing the debt ceiling? If not, I'd like to know exactly what problem that caucus is solving.



"We have two problems right now," he said. "We have a risk of default. We cannot allow our country to default under any circumstances. We also have a debt-to-GDP ratio that exceeds 100 percent."

"And that threatens the valuation of our currency and risks our competitiveness with China, and we see how big of a threat that is. So that's the solution that I would like to advance. As Josh mentioned, we have a group that's working day and night on this right now," Fitzpatrick added.
 
2023-02-06 3:43:57 PM  

BigMax: He is negotiating as part of the Problem-Solvers Caucus, which is bipartisan and can solve this problem without Qevin, if needed.

List of Members:

https://problemsolverscaucus.house.gov/members


And with the rules about discharge petitions, they wouldn't even need Qev to put the debt ceiling bill on the floor schedule!

// not sure if those rules are different between this House and the last
 
2023-02-06 3:46:05 PM  
Not. One. Step. Back. On. Medicare and Social Security.

/ We do not negotiate with terrorists
 
2023-02-06 3:46:50 PM  

NewportBarGuy: edmo: [Fark user image 425x318]

Why do we even have a debt ceiling?


Absolutely no good reason. Congress controls appropriations and Congress controls tax revenues, but it passed a dumb law to tie itself to the mast and encourage recurring brinksmanship. It's stupid.

This is why people promote things like the trillion-dollar platinum coin. Sure, that's stupid too, but stupid problems deserve stupid solutions.
 
2023-02-06 3:47:09 PM  

palelizard: BigMax: He is negotiating as part of the Problem-Solvers Caucus, which is bipartisan and can solve this problem without Qevin, if needed.

List of Members:

https://problemsolverscaucus.house.gov/members

Can it? Doesn't the Hastert Rule require half the Republicans to be on board before it gets brought to the floor?


The Hastert Rule, is really more of a suggestion anyway.

/And a farking pox on Congress, but I digress.
 
2023-02-06 3:48:22 PM  

Super Chronic: NewportBarGuy: edmo: [Fark user image 425x318]

Why do we even have a debt ceiling?

Absolutely no good reason. Congress controls appropriations and Congress controls tax revenues, but it passed a dumb law to tie itself to the mast and encourage recurring brinksmanship. It's stupid.

This is why people promote things like the trillion-dollar platinum coin. Sure, that's stupid too, but stupid problems deserve stupid solutions.


At the time it was actually a process improvement.  Congress used to pass a bill for each individual bond issue.
 
2023-02-06 3:48:36 PM  

Weatherkiss: palelizard: Weatherkiss: edmo: [Fark user image 425x318]

49 times we fought that beast.

Your old man and me. It had a chicken head with duck feet. With a woman's face too.

Aw, that's rad!


My favorite's a tie between the Medieval Land Fun Time World and the Walking Dead song, but the mrs and jr love that one.
 
2023-02-06 3:49:33 PM  

NINDroog: They will absolutely solve the problem of making sure the DOD get's more money than it requests, and that farmers get their checks.


The time for that fight is when you're setting the budget, not when the bill comes due.  Government shutdowns don't skullfark the global economy.
 
2023-02-06 3:49:50 PM  

palelizard: Weatherkiss: palelizard: Weatherkiss: edmo: [Fark user image 425x318]

49 times we fought that beast.

Your old man and me. It had a chicken head with duck feet. With a woman's face too.

Aw, that's rad!

My favorite's a tie between the Medieval Land Fun Time World and the Walking Dead song, but the mrs and jr love that one.


Seagulls is probably my favorite.
 
2023-02-06 3:50:05 PM  

Dr Dreidel: BigMax: He is negotiating as part of the Problem-Solvers Caucus, which is bipartisan and can solve this problem without Qevin, if needed.

List of Members:

https://problemsolverscaucus.house.gov/members

And with the rules about discharge petitions, they wouldn't even need Qev to put the debt ceiling bill on the floor schedule!

// not sure if those rules are different between this House and the last


"Send this bill to the floor, please.  You have 15 minutes before one of us moves to vacate the Speakership."
 
2023-02-06 3:50:06 PM  
Doesn't matter how many votes it had. McCarthy would still need to bring it up for a vote. Nothing happens unless he brings it up.

I remember Pelosi once going around this when she was minority leader but I forget how.
 
2023-02-06 3:50:48 PM  

BigMax: He is negotiating as part of the Problem-Solvers Caucus, which is bipartisan and can solve this problem without Qevin, if needed.

List of Members:

https://problemsolverscaucus.house.gov/members


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2023-02-06 3:51:35 PM  

BMFPitt: Dr Dreidel: BigMax: He is negotiating as part of the Problem-Solvers Caucus, which is bipartisan and can solve this problem without Qevin, if needed.

List of Members:

https://problemsolverscaucus.house.gov/members

And with the rules about discharge petitions, they wouldn't even need Qev to put the debt ceiling bill on the floor schedule!

// not sure if those rules are different between this House and the last

"Send this bill to the floor, please.  You have 15 minutes before one of us moves to vacate the Speakership."


That's reasonable, but that's not a trigger that gets unpulled.
 
2023-02-06 3:52:09 PM  

Weatherkiss: palelizard: Weatherkiss: palelizard: Weatherkiss: edmo: [Fark user image 425x318]

49 times we fought that beast.

Your old man and me. It had a chicken head with duck feet. With a woman's face too.

Aw, that's rad!

My favorite's a tie between the Medieval Land Fun Time World and the Walking Dead song, but the mrs and jr love that one.

Seagulls is probably my favorite.


Stop it now.
 
2023-02-06 3:53:32 PM  

palelizard: Weatherkiss: palelizard: Weatherkiss: palelizard: Weatherkiss: edmo: [Fark user image 425x318]

49 times we fought that beast.

Your old man and me. It had a chicken head with duck feet. With a woman's face too.

Aw, that's rad!

My favorite's a tie between the Medieval Land Fun Time World and the Walking Dead song, but the mrs and jr love that one.

Seagulls is probably my favorite.

Stop it now.


Also, Axe-Assassin Albertson is something I find myself compulsively listening to. Particularly the theme song that was apart from the actual videos.
 
2023-02-06 3:53:48 PM  

TommyDeuce: palelizard: BigMax: He is negotiating as part of the Problem-Solvers Caucus, which is bipartisan and can solve this problem without Qevin, if needed.

List of Members:

https://problemsolverscaucus.house.gov/members

Can it? Doesn't the Hastert Rule require half the Republicans to be on board before it gets brought to the floor?

The Hastert Rule, is really more of a suggestion anyway.

/And a farking pox on Congress, but I digress.


Yeah but I assume Qevin negotiated an even more extreme version of it, like nothing goes to the floor without Jim Jordan and MTG personally stamping it.
 
2023-02-06 3:54:38 PM  

Shaggy_C: NewportBarGuy: Why do we even have a debt ceiling?

Because the Republicans like to use it for leverage and therefore only extend it the minimum amount of time possible. They also love using it as a cudgel against the Democrats "you voted for more debt" and so the Dems, in typical, cowering fashion, only extend it as far as the Republicans are willing to support.

The Democrats could have easily voted to raise the limit to $50 trillion via a reconciliation bill last term and we'd never have to talk about this again. The Republicans would have zero leverage over Biden to make cuts and the economy would not be on the brink. But the Democrats chose not to. And now the Republicans decide whether our economy is going to crash or not.


All part of the plan.  If team blue had solved the problem, they lose the problem to campaign on.  And team red gains the problem to campaign on.  After team red nukes the economy, team blue gets the nuked economy as a campaign issue.  If team blue fixes the economy, they lose the campaign issue.  So either team blue will do nothing, or bare minimum.  Or they fix the economy, lose the issue and we get Gilead.

If team blue does the right thing, we get Gilead.
 
2023-02-06 3:56:39 PM  
The solution is tax cuts for the rich.
 
2023-02-06 3:56:40 PM  

Weatherkiss: palelizard: Weatherkiss: palelizard: Weatherkiss: palelizard: Weatherkiss: edmo: [Fark user image 425x318]

49 times we fought that beast.

Your old man and me. It had a chicken head with duck feet. With a woman's face too.

Aw, that's rad!

My favorite's a tie between the Medieval Land Fun Time World and the Walking Dead song, but the mrs and jr love that one.

Seagulls is probably my favorite.

Stop it now.

Also, Axe-Assassin Albertson is something I find myself compulsively listening to. Particularly the theme song that was apart from the actual videos.


Ooh, I haven't seen that one. I'm off!
 
2023-02-06 3:56:57 PM  

Super Chronic: TommyDeuce: palelizard: BigMax: He is negotiating as part of the Problem-Solvers Caucus, which is bipartisan and can solve this problem without Qevin, if needed.

List of Members:

https://problemsolverscaucus.house.gov/members

Can it? Doesn't the Hastert Rule require half the Republicans to be on board before it gets brought to the floor?

The Hastert Rule, is really more of a suggestion anyway.

/And a farking pox on Congress, but I digress.

Yeah but I assume Qevin negotiated an even more extreme version of it, like nothing goes to the floor without Jim Jordan and MTG personally stamping it.


Doesn't matter since Kevin himself made most of the rules obsolete.

BMFPitt: "Send this bill to the floor, please.  You have 15 minutes before one of us moves to vacate the Speakership."


How's he gonna block anything at this point? Plus he's all talk and I doubt he wants a default. The Q-Nuts, sure, but not him. He still needs his rich donors.
 
2023-02-06 3:57:03 PM  

Weatherkiss: palelizard: Weatherkiss: palelizard: Weatherkiss: edmo: [Fark user image 425x318]

49 times we fought that beast.

Your old man and me. It had a chicken head with duck feet. With a woman's face too.

Aw, that's rad!

My favorite's a tie between the Medieval Land Fun Time World and the Walking Dead song, but the mrs and jr love that one.

Seagulls is probably my favorite.


Thanks for the friggin earworms you two.

/I can be a backpack while you gawwwwdammit
//peed all of my pants
 
2023-02-06 3:57:45 PM  

Shaggy_C: NewportBarGuy: Why do we even have a debt ceiling?

Because the Republicans like to use it for leverage and therefore only extend it the minimum amount of time possible. They also love using it as a cudgel against the Democrats "you voted for more debt" and so the Dems, in typical, cowering fashion, only extend it as far as the Republicans are willing to support.

The Democrats could have easily voted to raise the limit to $50 trillion via a reconciliation bill last term and we'd never have to talk about this again. The Republicans would have zero leverage over Biden to make cuts and the economy would not be on the brink. But the Democrats chose not to. And now the Republicans decide whether our economy is going to crash or not.


Back when TFG was president, Daniel Drezner had an EXTREMELY LONG Twitter thread where he noted all of the copious times that TFG's staff members, handlers, supporters, etc. talked about him as if he's a toddler who needed to be parented. It happened so much that he published a book talking about TFG as the Toddler in Chief.

You're doing the exact same thing here. You've cast the Democrats as the adults in the room who gave the childish Republicans a loaded gun with a round in the chamber. You've insinuated the Democrats are negligent because they had the onus to prevent the children from doing the foolish things they want to do. Surely you know you're doing that. Why do you belittle the Republicans' agency and describe them as thinking and behaving in ways that would normally get kids thrown in juvenile detention?
 
2023-02-06 3:58:01 PM  
Separated at birth?


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2023-02-06 3:58:02 PM  

NewportBarGuy: edmo: [Fark user image 425x318]

Why do we even have a debt ceiling?


So, back in the Beforing Times, every bill included a provision allowing the Treasury to issue bonds to cover the cost of the bill.  And this was generally fine.  But, as the US got bigger and more complex, this became problematic.  Laws might incur long-term costs, or just go over-budget.  So, laws were having to be passed that were literally just authorization for issuing bonds for some other bill.  This all came to a head with the World Wars, as costs wildly exceeded the expectations of Congress when the bills were introduced.  It seems absurd now, but the US used to have a simply microscopic military compared to other industrial nations, so when we got involved in international buttfarkery, we were not conversant in what that level of militarization meant.

Between that and the more generalized problems with rising costs for laws, Congress decided to decouple raising money from individual laws.  But, since Congress is also Constitutionally-mandated to oversee the purse, they did not just let the Treasury have free rein, worried Presidents would just raise shiattons of cash and do whatever they wanted (not entirely unwarranted considering early-to-mid-20th century Presidents).  So, Congress would set some arbitrarily-high ceiling on what the Treasury could raise, pass laws without specific instructions, and let the Executive figure out the exact way how to use the money to cover the laws' requirements.  This was never going to be perfect, but it was seen as a way to keep the President under control without Congress having to micromanage costs.

However, it quickly became apparent this could be used to play whack-a-willy every time the cap was close to being met.  The party out of power would gnash their teeth and wail about how every dime ever spent since the beginning of time was pure waste and the sole and complete fault of the party in power.  The party in power would say the other side were lying sacks of shiat who wanted to unpatriotically destroy America just for the  raw funsies.  And then everyone would raise the cap, shake hands, and sing kumbaya.  Sometime around the Newt Gingrich era, the Republicans turned from performative jackholery to actual jackholery, actually waiting until the cap got reached and causing a real panic before relenting.  Except they get closer and closer every time - and they also started to just threaten full death even when they were the ones in power.  They've still passed increases, but it gets more worrisome each time.

In theory, Congress could just remove the debt ceiling and charge the Executive to issue bonds to pay the US's obligations.  But things have become so routine that the pantomime is considered something like Holy Writ instead of a budgeting hack from last century.
 
2023-02-06 4:00:50 PM  
Most of the members of the Problem Solvers are never on national tv spouting off their mouths about some bs thing or another. These are the ones who work quietly behind the scenes and get shiat done.
 
2023-02-06 4:06:27 PM  

SpecialSnowFlake: Brian Fitzpatrick is on board.

But what about Patrick Fitzbrian?


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2023-02-06 4:09:05 PM  

palelizard: That's reasonable, but that's not a trigger that gets unpulled.


The assumption being that there is an agreed to non-insane Republican from that group who would have their votes and all the D votes if it came to that.
 
2023-02-06 4:09:31 PM  

Weatherkiss: palelizard: Weatherkiss: palelizard: Weatherkiss: palelizard: Weatherkiss: edmo: [Fark user image 425x318]

49 times we fought that beast.

Your old man and me. It had a chicken head with duck feet. With a woman's face too.

Aw, that's rad!

My favorite's a tie between the Medieval Land Fun Time World and the Walking Dead song, but the mrs and jr love that one.

Seagulls is probably my favorite.

Stop it now.

Also, Axe-Assassin Albertson is something I find myself compulsively listening to. Particularly the theme song that was apart from the actual videos.


Oh, the bean song cracked me up.
 
2023-02-06 4:09:34 PM  

Serious Black: BigMax: He is negotiating as part of the Problem-Solvers Caucus, which is bipartisan and can solve this problem without Qevin, if needed.

List of Members:

https://problemsolverscaucus.house.gov/members

Are they going to support permanently suspending or abolishing the debt ceiling? If not, I'd like to know exactly what problem that caucus is solving.


I read a bunch of their statements on that page and most of them are generic "What we need is bipartisanship!", which we really only need if both sides are supporting something good, not things like f*cking denouncing socialism.
 
2023-02-06 4:12:55 PM  

Olympic Trolling Judge: The time for that fight is when you're setting the budget, not when the bill comes due.  Government shutdowns don't skullfark the global economy.


Huh. Perhaps you should notify the Republicans of your astute political observation.
 
2023-02-06 4:13:41 PM  
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2023-02-06 4:14:13 PM  

BMFPitt: Dr Dreidel: BigMax: He is negotiating as part of the Problem-Solvers Caucus, which is bipartisan and can solve this problem without Qevin, if needed.

List of Members:

https://problemsolverscaucus.house.gov/members

And with the rules about discharge petitions, they wouldn't even need Qev to put the debt ceiling bill on the floor schedule!

// not sure if those rules are different between this House and the last

"Send this bill to the floor, please.  You have 15 minutes before one of us moves to vacate the Speakership."


I think the new rules only allow members (or just one of them) of the same party/conference to call for a vote to vacate the Speakership - so it'd have to be one of the 5 Republican defectors to make that call.

I'm imagining a scenario where the Republican conference votes to kick those 5 out of the conference as soon as they support a discharge petition, just to stave off that possibility. Not like I'd credit any of those 5 - Fitz included - with the grapes to actually no-confidence Kevin back to a smaller office.
 
2023-02-06 4:15:52 PM  
not by the hair of his chinnychin ch-... oh
 
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