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(Big Think)   In the mid-2000s, a pair of colliding galaxy clusters "broke" modified gravity. Here's how these objects empirically prove dark matter   (bigthink.com) divider line
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2023-02-06 1:32:20 PM  
In before Ethan derangement syndrome and dark matter haters explaining how closed-minded scientists are ... aww, who am I kidding, why I did I bother to come to the comments?
 
2023-02-06 1:54:04 PM  

Ambitwistor: In before Ethan derangement syndrome and dark matter haters explaining how closed-minded scientists are ... aww, who am I kidding, why I did I bother to come to the comments?


Let's take a positive view. At least you're asking the question.
 
2023-02-06 1:58:46 PM  
"Mid 2000's" is an odd phrase.  I'm assuming it means somewhere around 2500ce.
 
2023-02-06 2:13:27 PM  

Ambitwistor: In before Ethan derangement syndrome and dark matter haters explaining how closed-minded scientists are ... aww, who am I kidding, why I did I bother to come to the comments?


came for that sentiment, staying because masochism
 
2023-02-06 2:24:37 PM  

JamesSirBensonMum: "Mid 2000's" is an odd phrase.  I'm assuming it means somewhere around 2500ce.


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2023-02-06 3:41:59 PM  
Ha ha guy: It's just lens flare!
 
2023-02-06 4:00:30 PM  
"Article" looks like the unwanted and abused child of a listicle and a slideshow. I reject all information contained within.
 
2023-02-06 4:39:10 PM  
Dark Energy / Dark Matter = A Wizard did it
 
2023-02-06 4:49:01 PM  

madgonad: Dark Energy / Dark Matter = A Wizard did it


No.

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2023-02-06 5:04:47 PM  

madgonad: Dark Energy / Dark Matter = A Wizard did it


Ambitwistor: dark matter haters


Are you a wizard?
 
2023-02-06 5:13:07 PM  
The theory holds up well with astronomical observations but lacks any sort of confirmation on the particle physics side. It should be remembered that epicycles can be made to "work" in terms of matching observations but that doesn't mean the solar system is geocentric.
 
2023-02-06 5:32:58 PM  
100 years from now, astronomers will look back at today's belief in dark matter, and think we were all idiots.
 
2023-02-06 6:04:24 PM  
Current theory holds up amazingly well, as long as we add otherwise undetectable matter and energy wherever it is needed and in whatever quantity is needed.

Please ignore the fact that none of our increasingly expensive detectors have found any dark matter or dark energy.  That just means we need even more expensive detectors.
 
2023-02-06 6:20:34 PM  

SomeAmerican: Current theory holds up amazingly well, as long as we add otherwise undetectable matter and energy wherever it is needed and in whatever quantity is needed.

Please ignore the fact that none of our increasingly expensive detectors have found any dark matter or dark energy.  That just means we need even more expensive detectors.


Finance is the tickled nipples of science
 
2023-02-06 6:50:22 PM  

Pointy Tail of Satan: 100 years from now, astronomers will look back at today's belief in dark matter, and think we were all idiots.


We think you're idiots now too.
 
2023-02-06 7:54:59 PM  

Pointy Tail of Satan: 100 years from now, astronomers will look back at today's belief in dark matter, and think we were all idiots.


Not nearly as cool a word as 'Phlogiston'.
 
2023-02-06 8:55:14 PM  

madgonad: Dark Energy / Dark Matter = A Wizard did it


Dark Energy / Dark Matter =  Dark Energy / Dark Matter = Energy / Matter = c2

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2023-02-06 9:15:55 PM  

Pointy Tail of Satan: 100 years from now, astronomers will look back at today's belief in dark matter, and think we were all idiots.


The dark matter theory has already been around for 100 years and astronomers are more certain than ever that it exists.
 
2023-02-06 11:17:55 PM  
Let's go back over it. Again.

We have a set of observations. From galaxies spinning faster than their mass should allow them, to gravitational lensing where there's nothing visible providing lenses, to even the shape and distribution of the early universe moments after the Big Bang: there's something creating more gravity than can be accounted for by the mass we can observe.

That's dark matter. Dark matter is the term for the whatever which causes more gravity than should rightfully be observed. There is, 100%, something. The details and nature of it are what is subject to debate. WIMPs are the current favorite- particles that create gravity but otherwise only interact with the weak force- because their predicted properties most closely fit the observed behavior, and they slot awkwardly into the Standard Model of particle physics- awkward in a way that hints at new physics, which is great because the Standard Model is frustratingly accurate about its predictions but also doesn't predict a lot of things we'd really like it to.

Importantly, Dark Matter has no connection whatsoever to Dark Energy, which again, is rooted in an observation: the expansion of the universe is accelerating the farther away you go. Things don't accelerate for no reason, so something must be causing it. Hence, Dark Energy. Again, this is a thing that definitely is happening, and the question is "but why?"
 
2023-02-07 2:09:32 AM  

SomeAmerican: Current theory holds up amazingly well, as long as we add otherwise undetectable matter and energy wherever it is needed and in whatever quantity is needed.

Please ignore the fact that none of our increasingly expensive detectors have found any dark matter or dark energy.  That just means we need even more expensive detectors.


It's well known common sense fact that science is sham that scientists use to take money and use it for science. Wake up sheeple
 
2023-02-07 2:49:24 AM  

LewDux: Wake up sheeple


They're sleeping. Let them rest.
 
2023-02-07 4:34:33 AM  

t3knomanser: Let's go back over it. Again.

We have a set of observations. From galaxies spinning faster than their mass should allow them, to gravitational lensing where there's nothing visible providing lenses, to even the shape and distribution of the early universe moments after the Big Bang: there's something creating more gravity than can be accounted for by the mass we can observe.

That's dark matter. Dark matter is the term for the whatever which causes more gravity than should rightfully be observed. There is, 100%, something. The details and nature of it are what is subject to debate. WIMPs are the current favorite- particles that create gravity but otherwise only interact with the weak force- because their predicted properties most closely fit the observed behavior, and they slot awkwardly into the Standard Model of particle physics- awkward in a way that hints at new physics, which is great because the Standard Model is frustratingly accurate about its predictions but also doesn't predict a lot of things we'd really like it to.

Importantly, Dark Matter has no connection whatsoever to Dark Energy, which again, is rooted in an observation: the expansion of the universe is accelerating the farther away you go. Things don't accelerate for no reason, so something must be causing it. Hence, Dark Energy. Again, this is a thing that definitely is happening, and the question is "but why?"


We cannot say that dark energy has no relation to dark matter until we figure out what each one actually is.


Which we probably wont be able to do until we figure out how to see higher dimensional objects
 
2023-02-07 7:13:10 AM  

SomeAmerican: Current theory holds up amazingly well, as long as we add otherwise undetectable matter and energy wherever it is needed and in whatever quantity is needed.


OK, so create a model that explains empirical observations without dark matter.
 
2023-02-07 7:19:00 AM  
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2023-02-07 9:07:38 AM  

Concrete Donkey: We cannot say that dark energy has no relation to dark matter until we figure out what each one actually is.


Which we probably wont be able to do until we figure out how to see higher dimensional objects


Well, let me rephrase: we have no reason to think they're connected.

And we can see and measure higher dimensional objects- one of the best candidates for dark energy would be the curvature of spacetime itself in a higher dimension. While we haven't entirely eliminated that possibility, the measurements we have taken make it very unlikely.
 
2023-02-07 11:29:02 AM  

t3knomanser: Concrete Donkey: We cannot say that dark energy has no relation to dark matter until we figure out what each one actually is.


Which we probably wont be able to do until we figure out how to see higher dimensional objects

Well, let me rephrase: we have no reason to think they're connected.

And we can see and measure higher dimensional objects- one of the best candidates for dark energy would be the curvature of spacetime itself in a higher dimension. While we haven't entirely eliminated that possibility, the measurements we have taken make it very unlikely.


I like that better. Then we also run into sub question 2: how many different things is "dark energy" actually made up of? Is it only one type of matter, or is it many that operate in roughly the same manner?
 
2023-02-07 2:38:15 PM  

t3knomanser: Concrete Donkey: We cannot say that dark energy has no relation to dark matter until we figure out what each one actually is.


Which we probably wont be able to do until we figure out how to see higher dimensional objects

Well, let me rephrase: we have no reason to think they're connected.

And we can see and measure higher dimensional objects- one of the best candidates for dark energy would be the curvature of spacetime itself in a higher dimension. While we haven't entirely eliminated that possibility, the measurements we have taken make it very unlikely.


Sounds interesting! I await to hear more on this in what I hope are the forthcoming decades.
 
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