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Confabulat [TotalFark]
2023-02-06 6:52:17 AM  
Watching him and Trump trying to eat each other's tails is the only reason I can think of to look forward to 2024.
 
vudukungfu [TotalFark]
2023-02-06 7:16:39 AM  
Black conservatives.
Bigsby, Ruckus, Tom, and Stephan.
 
nealb2 [TotalFark]
2023-02-06 7:27:37 AM  
Fl Lynched more black men on a per capita basis than in any other state in the country.
 
SpectroBoy [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-02-06 7:47:35 AM  

nealb2: Fl Lynched more black men on a per capita basis than in any other state in the country.



now they call it "an unfortunate incident involving police"
 
Somacandra [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-02-06 7:57:09 AM  

nealb2: Fl Lynched more black men on a per capita basis than in any other state in the country.


Yup. Mentioned in TFA.
 
Pocket Ninja [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-02-06 8:26:09 AM  

SpectroBoy: nealb2: Fl Lynched more black men on a per capita basis than in any other state in the country.


now they call it "an unfortunate incident involving police"


There is also the occasional "Skittles-involved incident."
 
growinthings [TotalFark]
2023-02-06 8:29:22 AM  
I'm hoping they burn each other down to the ground!
 
Three Crooked Squirrels [TotalFark]
2023-02-06 8:43:54 AM  
Of course he didn't free the slaves. That was George Santos.
 
lindalouwho [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-02-06 8:49:25 AM  
That article is horrifying.
 
Northern
2023-02-06 8:52:07 AM  
Stop trying to intellectualize Ron DeSantis and his enablers.  They are white supremacists who believe in the Lost Cause fallacy of the civil war and the inferiority of POC over what they imagine is white western Christian "culture".  All while ignoring the horrors committed in defense of said culture (the Holocaust is just one of many examples).
The autobiography of Frederick Douglass should be mandatory for every middle school student as an eye witness account to the horrors of chattel slavery and discrimination.  Pair that with the speeches and philosophy of MLK, and Abraham Lincoln.  The majority of founders were slave owners entirely opposed to universal suffrage and human rights.
We also need an AP course on the labor movement in high schools, which is both necessary and considered extremely dangerous to those in power.
After all, their wealth is built on massive government subsidies and they pay almost nothing in taxes.  They don't want that to change.
 
Peter von Nostrand
2023-02-06 8:52:15 AM  
That was George Santos duh...
 
Mugato [TotalFark]
2023-02-06 8:53:14 AM  
I saw a black guy with a DeSantis t-shirt yesterday. I'm pretty sure he wasn't wearing it ironically.
 
gochuck
2023-02-06 8:55:45 AM  
https://youtu.be/G2tLyqfJd54

Was her name Emily?
 
palelizard
2023-02-06 8:56:00 AM  
The Republican claimed that African-American studies has no "educational value" and basically is some type of trojan horse and "mind virus" to indoctrinate young (white) people in woke ideology.

Holy shiat, he said that? Wow. Just wow. I can't even. That's not even saying the quiet part aloud, that's, well, saying the quiet part at a gubernatorial press conference in one of the most populous states.
 
eyeq360 [TotalFark]
2023-02-06 8:57:37 AM  

SpectroBoy: nealb2: Fl Lynched more black men on a per capita basis than in any other state in the country.


now they call it "an unfortunate incident involving police"


And the police shooting a person 40 times is "self defense".
 
RasIanI
2023-02-06 8:57:51 AM  

nealb2: Fl Lynched more black men on a per capita basis than in any other state in the country.


Everyone talks about Tulsa, but Rosewood happened in Florida...100 years ago this year.

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Unright
2023-02-06 8:57:56 AM  
The Republican claimed that African-American studies has no "educational value" and basically is some type of trojan horse and "mind virus" to indoctrinate young (white) people in woke ideology.

It's amazing that people aren't picking up on how Orwellian this argument is.

Especially since Desantis' lawyers already defined "woke" as "being aware of social and racial injustice".
 
WillJM8528
2023-02-06 8:59:02 AM  

Northern: Stop trying to intellectualize Ron DeSantis and his enablers.  They are white supremacists who believe in the Lost Cause fallacy of the civil war and the inferiority of POC over what they imagine is white western Christian "culture".  All while ignoring the horrors committed in defense of said culture (the Holocaust is just one of many examples).
The autobiography of Frederick Douglass should be mandatory for every middle school student as an eye witness account to the horrors of chattel slavery and discrimination.  Pair that with the speeches and philosophy of MLK, and Abraham Lincoln.  The majority of founders were slave owners entirely opposed to universal suffrage and human rights.
We also need an AP course on the labor movement in high schools, which is both necessary and considered extremely dangerous to those in power.
After all, their wealth is built on massive government subsidies and they pay almost nothing in taxes.  They don't want that to change.


It is absolutely stunning how little Americans know about the literal war waged against working class people in this country in this country.
 
RasIanI
2023-02-06 8:59:19 AM  

Hinged: Ya'll are scared of him, aren't ya'?


He's a fascist. They represent a threat to American Democracy.
 
palelizard
2023-02-06 8:59:32 AM  

Hinged: Ya'll are scared of him, aren't ya'?


I'm absolutely terrified he might end up President, yes.
 
Mugato [TotalFark]
2023-02-06 8:59:44 AM  

Hinged: Ya'll are scared of him, aren't ya'?


We should be.
 
Eunice's Social Calendar [TotalFark]
2023-02-06 9:00:13 AM  

nealb2: Fl Lynched more black men on a per capita basis than in any other state in the country.


I imagine that was in their definition of "freedom" for black folks.
 
Dr Dreidel
2023-02-06 9:01:51 AM  

SpectroBoy: nealb2: Fl Lynched more black men on a per capita basis than in any other state in the country.

now they call it "an unfortunate incident involving police"


I don't know if it's a step up from a literal mob of randos murdering someone or a step down that community just outsourced their murders to an Official Lynch Squad - or a lateral move because people are still getting murdered without any justice for their murderers.
 
RasIanI
2023-02-06 9:02:42 AM  

RasIanI: nealb2: Fl Lynched more black men on a per capita basis than in any other state in the country.

Everyone talks about Tulsa, but Rosewood happened in Florida...100 years ago this year.

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In fact it should be quite interesting to see how Rhonda Santos handles it.
 
Rapmaster2000 [TotalFark]
2023-02-06 9:03:16 AM  
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"I was born a poor, black conservative."
 
LarryDan43
2023-02-06 9:03:52 AM  
I think most Florida residents would agree that next to a Chinese balloon, wokeness is the greatest issue hurting them in their daily lives.
 
Call the Guy
2023-02-06 9:03:53 AM  
There is something kind of "Marlon Brando as Colonel Kurtz" that Ron has going for him. You just get this sense that there's a kind of metaphysical evil that dwells inside the chubby facade, and that evil is overpoweringly attractive to the primitive peoples that make up his cult
 
flypusher713
2023-02-06 9:04:20 AM  

Mugato: Hinged: Ya'll are scared of him, aren't ya'?

We should be.


Fear of dangerous things is a perfectly rational response.
 
HighOnCraic
2023-02-06 9:04:40 AM  
Republicans just want to look back at the glory days, when the Radical Republicans passed Reconstruction laws that made everything better.

They tend to skip over the bad stuff that happened after Reconstruction ended (Frances Rice of the National Black Republican Association even insists that Hayes didn't actually end Reconstruction)...

In the 1880s and early 1890s, control of the House chamber seesawed between Democrats unsympathetic to the concerns of African Americans and Republicans increasingly ambivalent to those same concerns. Though one reformer implored Republican colleagues to "never surrender the great principles of human liberty of which [the party] was the born champion," Republican leaders sensed little electoral opportunity in pushing for black voting rights in the South.13 One historian explains that the Republicans "harbored some hope that if race was no longer salient in southern politics, other issues might rise to the surface and become the catalyst for a realignment of the parties. . . . f the Republican Party in the South was no longer identified with and supported by black voters, it might have the opportunity to redefine itself and become accepted as a legitimate political entity" by white Southerners.14 Black Representatives admonished their party for abandoning the freedmen. "A veritable set of fools a few of our party leaders have been," Thomas Miller said on the House Floor in February 1891. "They will listen to all the cheap sentimentality sounded under the name of negro domination and business prostration, be swerved from a plighted duty to a faithful constituency the country over."15

https://history.house.gov/Exhibitions-and-Publications/BAIC/Historical-Essays/Temporary-Farewell/Shifting-Republican-Focus/

See also:

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https://journals.psu.edu/phj/article/view/23014/22783 (review on page 5)
 
abb3w [TotalFark]
2023-02-06 9:05:09 AM  

LarryDan43: I think most Florida residents would agree that next to a Chinese balloon, wokeness is the greatest issue hurting them in their daily lives.


A Chinese balloon over Montana.
 
carkiller
2023-02-06 9:05:47 AM  

Dr Dreidel: SpectroBoy: nealb2: Fl Lynched more black men on a per capita basis than in any other state in the country.

now they call it "an unfortunate incident involving police"

I don't know if it's a step up from a literal mob of randos murdering someone or a step down that community just outsourced their murders to an Official Lynch Squad - or a lateral move because people are still getting murdered without any justice for their murderers.


It's a step up, but in the sense The Official Lynch Squad legitimizes and consolidates the power of the literal mob by making it a policy function of the state. So the bad kind of step up.
 
Rapmaster2000 [TotalFark]
2023-02-06 9:06:25 AM  

Hinged: LarryDan43: I think most Florida residents would agree that next to a Chinese balloon, wokeness is the greatest issue hurting them in their daily lives.


The daily lynchings are worse.


China is laughing at you!  They're laughing!
 
BitwiseShift
2023-02-06 9:11:02 AM  
It's way more than racisim and Jim Crow. DeSantis is playing a very long game.  He's attempting to change the government in subtle but powerful ways.   Fostering concentrating on the brutality and sadism is a trap.  This goes deeper and is more fundamentally a campaign to alter democracy.

Imagine removing half the expenses of running a government and justifying it with a story that goes something like this:  "Gee we wish women, blacks, Jews, Italians had a better life, but the state can't afford that right now."

Imagine removing way more than half of the voters and justifying it with another story.  "It just doesn't come up in the legislature, or if it does, the bill gets killed in committee.  You have to have a critical mass of constitutents who vote to make these changes."

The final subtle change of government is to remove the thousands of dedicated individuals who see public service as a vocation, a way to make the world better and exercise values of decency as a patriotic or religious virtue.   Eliminating or grinding down education is a great way to make government less functioning service and more a vengeful and punitive overlord.
 
BMFPitt
2023-02-06 9:13:07 AM  

Mugato: Hinged: Ya'll are scared of him, aren't ya'?

We should be.


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UNC_Samurai
2023-02-06 9:15:21 AM  

Northern: Stop trying to intellectualize Ron DeSantis and his enablers.  They are white supremacists who believe in the Lost Cause fallacy of the civil war and the inferiority of POC over what they imagine is white western Christian "culture".  All while ignoring the horrors committed in defense of said culture (the Holocaust is just one of many examples).
The autobiography of Frederick Douglass should be mandatory for every middle school student as an eye witness account to the horrors of chattel slavery and discrimination.  Pair that with the speeches and philosophy of MLK, and Abraham Lincoln.  The majority of founders were slave owners entirely opposed to universal suffrage and human rights.
We also need an AP course on the labor movement in high schools, which is both necessary and considered extremely dangerous to those in power.
After all, their wealth is built on massive government subsidies and they pay almost nothing in taxes.  They don't want that to change.


It's not even about their white supremacy.  Stoking white grievance has always been a means to an end with the Republican Party.  DeSantis has his eye on the real prize:  destroying public education in the state and driving everyone to put their kids in private/charter schools where they can be indoctrinated with Republican values and their DeVos-esque buddies can make bank.
 
hubiestubert [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-02-06 9:16:44 AM  
Being a Black Republican in Florida is...it's not a good deal for you. And everything this clown is floating out there is designed to undermine any progress in the last hundred years, or more. At this point, aiming to be up in the Big House, as opposed to the fields is maybe NOT the best strategy for you, or your friends, family, and neighbors.
 
HighOnCraic
2023-02-06 9:22:44 AM  
From a link in the article:

...Silk paid homage to the former U.S. president remembering the close relationship the three shared going as far as to say that he 'treated us just like the other children - Eric, Don Jr, Tiffany.'

But as Trump paid tribute to Diamond, describing her as one of the world's 'brightest stars' he admits he 'didn't know Silk at all' despite meeting her countless times.

https://www.salon.com/2023/01/30/the-limited-usefulness-of-black-conservatives/

/Iron Man:  Well, you're not wrong.
 
palelizard
2023-02-06 9:23:30 AM  

carkiller: Dr Dreidel: SpectroBoy: nealb2: Fl Lynched more black men on a per capita basis than in any other state in the country.

now they call it "an unfortunate incident involving police"

I don't know if it's a step up from a literal mob of randos murdering someone or a step down that community just outsourced their murders to an Official Lynch Squad - or a lateral move because people are still getting murdered without any justice for their murderers.

It's a step up, but in the sense The Official Lynch Squad legitimizes and consolidates the power of the literal mob by making it a policy function of the state. So the bad kind of step up.


But... job creation?
 
kbronsito
2023-02-06 9:24:04 AM  
As someone who did the IB program, we looked at the AP kids like they were slow. Seeing the College Board changing the curriculum to meet Florida standards makes my previous observations all the more accurate.
 
chascarrillo
2023-02-06 9:31:07 AM  

Hinged: Ya'll are scared of him, aren't ya'?


I used to favorite folks as default green. A while later, I thought I'd differentiate them. Blue for something, red for something else, etc. I've gone back to monochrome, except now everyone is dehydrated piss-yellow.
 
clovercat
2023-02-06 9:36:49 AM  
If Florida keeps this up they'll soon be under water.
 
thenewflesh
2023-02-06 9:39:12 AM  

Hinged: Ya'll are scared of him, aren't ya'?


Yep. We saw the damage that an incompetent con artist could wreak in just a few years, and was only stopped by a global event that convinced people to get rid of him early. People are rightly terrified that a competent fascist could finish the job.
 
vilesithknight
2023-02-06 9:45:51 AM  

Northern: Stop trying to intellectualize Ron DeSantis and his enablers.  They are white supremacists who believe in the Lost Cause fallacy of the civil war and the inferiority of POC over what they imagine is white western Christian "culture".  All while ignoring the horrors committed in defense of said culture (the Holocaust is just one of many examples).
The autobiography of Frederick Douglass should be mandatory for every middle school student as an eye witness account to the horrors of chattel slavery and discrimination.  Pair that with the speeches and philosophy of MLK, and Abraham Lincoln.  The majority of founders were slave owners entirely opposed to universal suffrage and human rights.
We also need an AP course on the labor movement in high schools, which is both necessary and considered extremely dangerous to those in power.
After all, their wealth is built on massive government subsidies and they pay almost nothing in taxes.  They don't want that to change.


Yeah this. All of this. Just wanted to mention that I never heard a word about the labor movement or labor struggles till college. It was never even mentioned in passing at my public high school. I never knew it was even a thing. Always found it interesting that the powers that be wanted to send us into the world having no knowledge of labor history.
 
Veloram
2023-02-06 9:48:08 AM  

Confabulat: Watching him and Trump trying to eat each other's tails is the only reason I can think of to look forward to 2024.


The only reason to look forward to that would be is if they both destroyed each other and were never heard from again. The inevitability, however, is that one of them is going to lead the Republican party. It's going to happen, fantasies aside, like it or lump it. Maybe not such a joyous occasion?
 
qorkfiend
2023-02-06 9:49:27 AM  

Veloram: Confabulat: Watching him and Trump trying to eat each other's tails is the only reason I can think of to look forward to 2024.

The only reason to look forward to that would be is if they both destroyed each other and were never heard from again. The inevitability, however, is that one of them is going to lead the Republican party. It's going to happen, fantasies aside, like it or lump it. Maybe not such a joyous occasion?


If I have to choose between Trump attacking DeSantis and Trump working with DeSantis I'm going to choose the former every goddamn time.
 
estrange666
2023-02-06 9:52:35 AM  
It is also the very definition of white supremacy...

It's an interesting use of the term "supremacy" to refer to a very obvious and very deep inferiority complex.
 
Bloody William
2023-02-06 9:54:54 AM  

Hinged: LarryDan43: I think most Florida residents would agree that next to a Chinese balloon, wokeness is the greatest issue hurting them in their daily lives.


The daily lynchings are worse.


Do you actually have anything to say, pizza cutter?
 
Greil
2023-02-06 9:56:38 AM  

Hinged: Ya'll are scared of him, aren't ya'?


Not exactly. His winning would doubtlessly be catastrophic in a way that even trump wasn't, because he's not as self contradictory and incompetent. However, I don't think he can truly put the support together on a national level.

However.

Trump won, and a major part of it was everyone assuming he wouldn't and letting our guard down.

Not happening again. Thus, this man is an existential danger to me, people I love, and my country.
 
Northern
2023-02-06 9:57:21 AM  

UNC_Samurai: Northern: Stop trying to intellectualize Ron DeSantis and his enablers.  They are white supremacists who believe in the Lost Cause fallacy of the civil war and the inferiority of POC over what they imagine is white western Christian "culture".  All while ignoring the horrors committed in defense of said culture (the Holocaust is just one of many examples).
The autobiography of Frederick Douglass should be mandatory for every middle school student as an eye witness account to the horrors of chattel slavery and discrimination.  Pair that with the speeches and philosophy of MLK, and Abraham Lincoln.  The majority of founders were slave owners entirely opposed to universal suffrage and human rights.
We also need an AP course on the labor movement in high schools, which is both necessary and considered extremely dangerous to those in power.
After all, their wealth is built on massive government subsidies and they pay almost nothing in taxes.  They don't want that to change.

It's not even about their white supremacy.  Stoking white grievance has always been a means to an end with the Republican Party.  DeSantis has his eye on the real prize:  destroying public education in the state and driving everyone to put their kids in private/charter schools where they can be indoctrinated with Republican values and their DeVos-esque buddies can make bank.


DeSantis has gone a lot further than just promote charter schools.
 
twocent
2023-02-06 9:57:46 AM  
DeSantis "not only ordered his torture, but also sat, watched, and laughed."

The Florida governor may be even more sickeningly dangerous than we thought.
 
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