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(Some Guy)   "Groundbreaking study" from the Ric Romero Science Academy finds high-fat, high-sugar diet can lead to obesity   (thebrighterside.news) divider line
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260 clicks; posted to STEM » on 06 Feb 2023 at 10:05 AM (7 weeks ago)   |   Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook



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Mugato [TotalFark]
2023-02-06 8:50:46 AM  
All the fat farks I know say it's metabolism.
 
stuhayes2010
2023-02-06 10:08:16 AM  
Do, don't live on doughnuts, got it.
 
Bonzo_1116
2023-02-06 10:14:04 AM  

Mugato: All the fat farks I know say it's metabolism.


Well, once the sugar has rotted out your control systems it is.
 
moothemagiccow
2023-02-06 10:18:56 AM  
It's cars. I ate whatever I wanted when I lived in Manhattan. Never having to move more than 20 feet turns you into a fat shiat. You don't even have to get up to go into a restaurant.
 
Fark_Guy_Rob
2023-02-06 10:36:39 AM  
Come'on Farkers...we can be better...snark and cynicism is great; but not when it's misplaced.

The study isn't about weight gain or obesity as much as it is on the impact of diet on a subject's microbiome.

After four weeks on the diet, ...And their microbiomes had changed dramatically, with the amount of segmented filamentous bacteria-common in the gut microbiota of rodents, fish, and chickens-falling sharply and other bacteria increasing in abundance.

And also this:

Sugar eliminates the filamentous bacteria, and the protective Th17 cells disappear as a consequence," says Ivanov. "When we fed mice a sugar-free, high-fat diet, they retain the intestinal Th17 cells and were completely protected from developing obesity and pre-diabetes, even though they ate the same number of calories."

This is way more interesting than 'Eat a lot and get fat'. It's evidence that calories in vs. Calories out might not be the complete story, and it could lead to better treatments of obesity/diet related diseases.
 
transporter_ii
2023-02-06 11:03:13 AM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: Sugar eliminates the filamentous bacteria, and the protective Th17 cells disappear as a consequence," says Ivanov. "When we fed mice a sugar-free, high-fat diet, they retain the intestinal Th17 cells and were completely protected from developing obesity and pre-diabetes, even though they ate the same number of calories."


An interesting thing they could have looked at is just sugar and just fat (did not read TFA yet) separately.


This is way more interesting than 'Eat a lot and get fat'. It's evidence that calories in vs. Calories out might not be the complete story, and it could lead to better treatments of obesity/diet related diseases.

Well, I lost a pile of weight and I eat lower carb, higher fat. I did gain some weight back, but I started working out and most of the gain was muscle. Most.

But yeah, you can just read a book like Why We Get Fat (Taubes), and it explains all the different things besides calories that can make you gain weight.

It's like every six months, we have this conversation again, even though it has been known for an eternity. "Why We Get Fat" was published over a decade ago and the information in it wasn't particularity groundbreaking at the time, either.

/That said, I also still watch my calories. I might not have too, but I do...
 
Wine Sipping Elitist [TotalFark]
2023-02-06 11:07:24 AM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: Come'on Farkers...we can be better...snark and cynicism is great; but not when it's misplaced.

The study isn't about weight gain or obesity as much as it is on the impact of diet on a subject's microbiome.

After four weeks on the diet, ...And their microbiomes had changed dramatically, with the amount of segmented filamentous bacteria-common in the gut microbiota of rodents, fish, and chickens-falling sharply and other bacteria increasing in abundance.

And also this:

Sugar eliminates the filamentous bacteria, and the protective Th17 cells disappear as a consequence," says Ivanov. "When we fed mice a sugar-free, high-fat diet, they retain the intestinal Th17 cells and were completely protected from developing obesity and pre-diabetes, even though they ate the same number of calories."

This is way more interesting than 'Eat a lot and get fat'. It's evidence that calories in vs. Calories out might not be the complete story, and it could lead to better treatments of obesity/diet related diseases.


Good point, I would add our culture plays a big part in our diets.

Ordering a Big Mac meal with a Diet Coke is an incredible logical fallacy that is pretty common in our culture. Making the McRib a cultural event is a mistake, too.
 
Wine Sipping Elitist [TotalFark]
2023-02-06 11:09:03 AM  
It must have taken the researchers 10 years to read this book. Creating addictive food is a science.


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Dinjiin [BareFark]
2023-02-06 11:27:40 AM  

moothemagiccow: It's cars. I ate whatever I wanted when I lived in Manhattan. Never having to move more than 20 feet turns you into a fat shiat. You don't even have to get up to go into a restaurant.


Same deal when I visited Paris.  My caloric intake went way up, but between walking several miles and climbing dozens of stairways each day, I actually lost weight.  Some of the larger subway stations were just a maze of stairs.  After a week, you get used to it.
 
bighairyguy [TotalFark]
2023-02-06 11:45:09 AM  
Personally, I found that slashing the carbs / sugar made the biggest difference.  I upped my protein significantly and pretty much ignore the fat content.  It wasn't keto, but was keto-ish.  If you cut down on carbs, you de facto eliminate a lot of fat consumption because they frequently travel together snacky junk food.   Lost 100 lbs and got my A1C in line too.
 
XanthPrime
2023-02-06 12:24:12 PM  

Mugato: All the fat farks I know say it's metabolism.


This fat dark says it is because I am not active and eat too much junk food.
 
PvtStash
2023-02-06 1:04:47 PM  
yeah the learning is already out on this one.

We have it on good authority

"don't believe the hype."

that's it, period the end it is that simple.

Is that hype?
Why are you believing it then?
 
PvtStash
2023-02-06 1:05:58 PM  

PvtStash: yeah the learning is already out on this one.

We have it on good authority

"don't believe the hype."

that's it, period the end it is that simple.

Is that hype?
Why are you believing it then?


woops, wrong reply thread,
 
Arkanaut
2023-02-06 1:15:07 PM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: Come'on Farkers...we can be better...snark and cynicism is great; but not when it's misplaced.

The study isn't about weight gain or obesity as much as it is on the impact of diet on a subject's microbiome.


Yeah, any time you read a snarky Fark headline summarizing a scientific study as something obvious like "A leads to B", it's basically always actually, "We have quantified the relationship between how much A leads to how much B, and how factors C, D, and E mediate that relationship."
 
Clash City Farker
2023-02-06 3:18:43 PM  
They put sugar in everything too to make it taste better.
 
twocent
2023-02-06 3:23:41 PM  
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Sugar cartels have been evil since the days of the rum, sugar, slavery Triangle Trade.
 
Gramma
2023-02-06 3:24:20 PM  

bighairyguy: Personally, I found that slashing the carbs / sugar made the biggest difference.  I upped my protein significantly and pretty much ignore the fat content.  It wasn't keto, but was keto-ish.  If you cut down on carbs, you de facto eliminate a lot of fat consumption because they frequently travel together snacky junk food.   Lost 100 lbs and got my A1C in line too.


I've slashed carbs (including sugar) and I've gotten my A1C back into the normal range. But heaven help me, I just can't seem to lose much weight.  A pound or two a month.  At this rate, it will take me 10 years to lose all my blubber. Most discouraging.  

But I do like being off medications for diabetes.  They're all terrible.
 
Clash City Farker
2023-02-06 3:40:05 PM  

Gramma: bighairyguy: Personally, I found that slashing the carbs / sugar made the biggest difference.  I upped my protein significantly and pretty much ignore the fat content.  It wasn't keto, but was keto-ish.  If you cut down on carbs, you de facto eliminate a lot of fat consumption because they frequently travel together snacky junk food.   Lost 100 lbs and got my A1C in line too.

I've slashed carbs (including sugar) and I've gotten my A1C back into the normal range. But heaven help me, I just can't seem to lose much weight.  A pound or two a month.  At this rate, it will take me 10 years to lose all my blubber. Most discouraging.  

But I do like being off medications for diabetes.  They're all terrible.


Food AND Drug administration so you can take drugs to help fix all the bad food that they sell you.
 
SumoJeb [OhFark]
2023-02-06 6:56:15 PM  
I'm down 60lbs since Sept.
I hate being skinny. I love being round enough that my shirts slide up my belly.
I'm back to drinking 1000cals of milk a day to keep on weight.

Milk. Turns a body into a blob.
 
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