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(Vox)   You think the present gas stove wars over health concerns are bad now? You've probably missed the gas stove wars of yesteryear   (vox.com) divider line
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RaceDTruck [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-02-05 10:10:18 AM  
As my house is all electric, I'm hoping the debate goes further and drives down the cost of induction ranges.  The electric range I currently have is not very good, but it looks nice.
 
Auntie Cheesus [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-02-05 10:29:27 AM  

RaceDTruck: As my house is all electric, I'm hoping the debate goes further and drives down the cost of induction ranges.  The electric range I currently have is not very good, but it looks nice.


I'm sort of there with you.  Our current house is all electric.  I have lived in homes with gas appliances all my life, and have dealt with things like pilot lights on the stove going out, my sister that insisted before lighting the oven, you had to let the gas run "for a minute" before lighting (how she managed to not blow the house up, I have no idea) and honestly, I wish induction ranges were priced lower than $3K because I would have bought one 6 months ago, when we replaced a builder grade range that came with the house.
 
west.la.lawyer [TotalFark]
2023-02-05 11:01:15 AM  
The players change, the moves are the same
Tobacco
Asbestos
Greenhouse gas emissions
Vehicle safety
Social media
Money > political will
Profits > people
 
Carter Pewterschmidt [TotalFark]
2023-02-05 11:29:26 AM  
I have just bought an induction cooker so I'm getting a kick etc.

TFA is a bit vague but until the middle of last century a lot of gas used in homes was coal gas, or "Town gas", which was far more deadly. It was actively poisonous and you could easily kill yourself in minutes by putting your head in an oven and turning the gas on. That won't work with natural gas that we use today.
 
AlwaysRightBoy [TotalFark]
2023-02-05 11:35:18 AM  

Carter Pewterschmidt: I have just bought an induction cooker so I'm getting a kick etc.

TFA is a bit vague but until the middle of last century a lot of gas used in homes was coal gas, or "Town gas", which was far more deadly. It was actively poisonous and you could easily kill yourself in minutes by putting your head in an oven and turning the gas on. That won't work with natural gas that we use today.


I just watched "A man called Otto", no wonder he didn't try that one.
/very depressing movie but it lifted me up
 
phygz [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-02-05 2:14:57 PM  
I'm about to replace my gas range, so this thread is relevant to my interests.

/finding white is challenging
 
Auntie Cheesus [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-02-05 3:05:43 PM  

phygz: I'm about to replace my gas range, so this thread is relevant to my interests.

/finding white is challenging


Check Lowes.  i replaced a bunch of builder grade black appliances with white this summer.  Now, the lone choice in white with an induction cooktop is $2,500 but if you're good with standard electric, but you can get a five burner, glass top range with convection oven for under $1,000.
 
shinji3i
2023-02-05 3:18:12 PM  
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HighOnCraic
2023-02-05 3:24:40 PM  
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Heliodorus
2023-02-05 3:25:40 PM  

Auntie Cheesus: RaceDTruck: As my house is all electric, I'm hoping the debate goes further and drives down the cost of induction ranges.  The electric range I currently have is not very good, but it looks nice.

I'm sort of there with you.  Our current house is all electric.  I have lived in homes with gas appliances all my life, and have dealt with things like pilot lights on the stove going out, my sister that insisted before lighting the oven, you had to let the gas run "for a minute" before lighting (how she managed to not blow the house up, I have no idea) and honestly, I wish induction ranges were priced lower than $3K because I would have bought one 6 months ago, when we replaced a builder grade range that came with the house.


Good news for you then, Induction ranges are about $1200 to $3000.
 
BitwiseShift
2023-02-05 3:25:58 PM  

west.la.lawyer: The players change, the moves are the same
Tobacco
Asbestos
Greenhouse gas emissions
Vehicle safety
Social media
Money > political will
Profits > people


Not all is the same.  The tech is better.  Given the rapid response from the Boebert, Green, Roy, Conor, etc. right wing, it looks like the checks are electronically deposited within minutes and even before the GOP talking points have been emailed to them announcing their new gig and to ramp up Tweets.

There may even be the equivalent of talent agencies which handles the hiring of politicians and performance of politicians seamlessly -- they don't even have to know who's hiring them -- just what script to read or Tweet -- and the check has already cleared.
 
Another Government Employee
2023-02-05 3:27:51 PM  
It's an illusion of choice.

/ Always has been
 
ieerto
2023-02-05 3:28:37 PM  
Know any pro chefs who rally 'round the electric stovetop flagpole?
 
Wobambo
2023-02-05 3:35:28 PM  
Never quite caught on to why the dumbasses were obsessing over gas stoves and figured they were just being derpy dumbasses again.

/i know, i know
//they have to stop being derpy dumbasses first
 
Stile4aly [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-02-05 3:38:08 PM  

Heliodorus: Auntie Cheesus: RaceDTruck: As my house is all electric, I'm hoping the debate goes further and drives down the cost of induction ranges.  The electric range I currently have is not very good, but it looks nice.

I'm sort of there with you.  Our current house is all electric.  I have lived in homes with gas appliances all my life, and have dealt with things like pilot lights on the stove going out, my sister that insisted before lighting the oven, you had to let the gas run "for a minute" before lighting (how she managed to not blow the house up, I have no idea) and honestly, I wish induction ranges were priced lower than $3K because I would have bought one 6 months ago, when we replaced a builder grade range that came with the house.

Good news for you then, Induction ranges are about $1200 to $3000.


AND the Inflation Reduction Act includes tons of incentives for electrification, including induction stoves.
 
ifky
2023-02-05 3:39:13 PM  
Can't wait for the new trend of "owning the libs" by opening up the flow of gas from the stove without igniting it.
 
aerojockey [TotalFark]
2023-02-05 3:39:13 PM  
Look, Big Appliance has manipulated American opinion to such an extent as to make Russian hackers pallid by comparison.

But it's really not that difficult to get people riled up about gas ranges.  Electric works perfectly fine to cook most things, in fact it gives you much better temperature control than gas, but it requires more patience and planning and who has time for that.

This round is going to be a little trickier for gas appliances.  People are taking climate change way more seriously these days, electrics have improved and the new designs are easy to clean, and they have induction now which addresses some of the drawbacks of electric.  I expect California (whose mantra these days seems to be ban everything the Feds can't) to ban housing with gas any day now, if they haven't already, but I have little expectation anyone's going to manage to remove gas from existing homes, and frankly, few new homes are usually all-electric these days.  This is all a lot of debate over something that won't accomplish much.
 
NuclearPenguins [TotalFark]
2023-02-05 3:41:57 PM  

ieerto: Know any pro chefs who rally 'round the electric stovetop flagpole?


They'll get over it.
 
Pudding Taine
2023-02-05 3:42:12 PM  

ieerto: Know any pro chefs who rally 'round the electric stovetop flagpole?


Alice Waters

If you've never been to Chez Panisse and you happen to be anywhere near Berkeley it is an absolute treat.

That said, we just replaced a builder grade range with a commercial quality dual fuel model (gas cooktop, electric oven) and they can have it when they pry it from my cold dead hands.
 
shinji3i
2023-02-05 3:43:24 PM  

ieerto: Know any pro chefs who rally 'round the electric stovetop flagpole?


The argument isn't "Gas stoves are superior to electric stoves in cooking quality" the argument is "Gas stoves may cause health issues that electric stoves do not".
 
dennysgod
2023-02-05 3:43:39 PM  
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Chompachangas
2023-02-05 3:46:29 PM  

ieerto: Know any pro chefs who rally 'round the electric stovetop flagpole?


David Chang, maybe -ish? He talked about it on his podcast recently.

I would miss my gas stove, especially in a power outage, but I have a Coleman dual fuel camp stove that has served me well for camping and emergencies. It's inevitible that gas stoves will be going away at some point.  Induction has come a long way in 20 years.
 
guinsu
2023-02-05 3:46:31 PM  

ieerto: Know any pro chefs who rally 'round the electric stovetop flagpole?


Here's an article from the past week:

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/jan/29/why-electric-stoves-are-better-chefs

There is also the Microsoft cafeteria, it is easy to look up
 
cyberspacedout
2023-02-05 3:47:19 PM  

ieerto: Know any pro chefs who rally 'round the electric stovetop flagpole?


With basic electric cooktops, it's hard to adjust the temperature. Induction cooktops are preferable.

Professional Chefs Love Cooking With Induction
Youtube 7p6buePWKlI
 
cyberspacedout
2023-02-05 3:47:50 PM  
er, hard to adjust the temperature quickly.
 
WTP 2
2023-02-05 3:49:25 PM  
the gas stove gives off particulate matter into the home....yes, that could be the smell of what you are cooking.

SCIENCE !
 
Mad_Radhu
2023-02-05 3:53:15 PM  

phygz: I'm about to replace my gas range, so this thread is relevant to my interests.

/finding white is challenging


Trump tired to warn us about white genocide!
 
Al Tsheimers
2023-02-05 3:54:39 PM  
I grew up with gas. When I left home I lived in two apartments with electric stoves, and I vowed to never deal with them again. All of the houses that I have lived in since then have gas stoves. The kitchens have all had CO and explosive gas detectors, along with A-B-C extinguishers. The CO detectors are replaced on schedule, and have never registered anything.
That said, any replacement range will have to be an induction cooktop with electric, convection, oven. SO wants a smooth, easy clean, cooktop. I don't cook enough for the economics of consumables to matter, and gas will only get more expensive. The electric service was installed when the house was built, so that isn't a consideration. Most of our cookware is already ferrous, so not a lot of aluminum to give away. I will happily continue to use gas until the current dinosaur dies, and hopefully they will make some better looking units by then. And I will have to start saving up now. Good induction units are very pricey.
 
Auntie Cheesus [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-02-05 3:57:56 PM  

Heliodorus: Auntie Cheesus: RaceDTruck: As my house is all electric, I'm hoping the debate goes further and drives down the cost of induction ranges.  The electric range I currently have is not very good, but it looks nice.

I'm sort of there with you.  Our current house is all electric.  I have lived in homes with gas appliances all my life, and have dealt with things like pilot lights on the stove going out, my sister that insisted before lighting the oven, you had to let the gas run "for a minute" before lighting (how she managed to not blow the house up, I have no idea) and honestly, I wish induction ranges were priced lower than $3K because I would have bought one 6 months ago, when we replaced a builder grade range that came with the house.

Good news for you then, Induction ranges are about $1200 to $3000.


Not when I was shopping last summer.  The best deal I could find was $2495.00 for induction with convection oven.  I ended up with a $949.00 Samsung glass top with convection.
 
hlehmann
2023-02-05 3:58:01 PM  
I bought a new gas range less than a year ago, a top of the line Wolf six burner; I'm super happy with it after having a crappy gas stove for the past 30+ years that leaked heat and had pilots that burned 24/7.  But, I also have a decent range hood that's vented outdoors that I pretty much always run on at least low speed any time a stove or oven burner is on unless I'm just heating a tea kettle for a couple of minutes.  Our house is leaky enough that there's plenty of replacement air when the vent hood is running.

What I've never understood is the range hoods that don't vent to the outside, they just blow air right back into the kitchen.
 
revrendjim [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-02-05 4:00:10 PM  

ieerto: Know any pro chefs who rally 'round the electric stovetop flagpole?


Yes I do, as long as it's induction.
 
Auntie Cheesus [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-02-05 4:00:40 PM  

cyberspacedout: er, hard to adjust the temperature quickly.


Not really, as I have discovered with my stove - reduce heat, move pan off burner for a few seconds and return.

For decades, I was firmly in the "gas only" crowd, but they have improved electric cooktop technology over the years.
 
Jeebus Saves
2023-02-05 4:01:55 PM  
I'm really not eager to give any more money to my corrupt as fark electric company.  Gas works just fine, thanks.
 
revrendjim [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-02-05 4:02:27 PM  

WTP 2: the gas stove gives off particulate matter into the home....yes, that could be the smell of what you are cooking.

SCIENCE !


Your cooking smells like gas fumes?
 
Jeebus Saves
2023-02-05 4:04:07 PM  

hlehmann: I bought a new gas range less than a year ago, a top of the line Wolf six burner; I'm super happy with it after having a crappy gas stove for the past 30+ years that leaked heat and had pilots that burned 24/7.  But, I also have a decent range hood that's vented outdoors that I pretty much always run on at least low speed any time a stove or oven burner is on unless I'm just heating a tea kettle for a couple of minutes.  Our house is leaky enough that there's plenty of replacement air when the vent hood is running.

What I've never understood is the range hoods that don't vent to the outside, they just blow air right back into the kitchen.


I think the issue is that you have to clean them or they become a fire hazard because of the grease buildup.
 
SwiftFox
2023-02-05 4:05:11 PM  

Heliodorus: Auntie Cheesus: RaceDTruck: As my house is all electric, I'm hoping the debate goes further and drives down the cost of induction ranges.  The electric range I currently have is not very good, but it looks nice.

I'm sort of there with you.  Our current house is all electric.  I have lived in homes with gas appliances all my life, and have dealt with things like pilot lights on the stove going out, my sister that insisted before lighting the oven, you had to let the gas run "for a minute" before lighting (how she managed to not blow the house up, I have no idea) and honestly, I wish induction ranges were priced lower than $3K because I would have bought one 6 months ago, when we replaced a builder grade range that came with the house.

Good news for you then, Induction ranges are about $1200 to $3000.

Inducton stoves are great if all your cookware is cast iron.
 
EL EM
2023-02-05 4:15:54 PM  
With the Treaty of Portsmouth, the principles agreed to return to the status quo ante belllum.
 
ace in your face [TotalFark]
2023-02-05 4:16:59 PM  

phygz: I'm about to replace my gas range, so this thread is relevant to my interests.

/finding white is challenging


I'm madly in love with the white Cafe double oven electric stove. I'm trying to convince partner.
 
Shakin_Haitian
2023-02-05 4:17:53 PM  

shinji3i: ieerto: Know any pro chefs who rally 'round the electric stovetop flagpole?

The argument isn't "Gas stoves are superior to electric stoves in cooking quality" the argument is "Gas stoves may cause health issues that electric stoves do not".


Gas stoves are slower and more inefficient than electric stoves. Gas stoves lost twenty years ago but some people insist their old, really shiatty way of doing things is always the best way,l. The cancer and general lung damage are just a bonus for them.
 
zbtop
2023-02-05 4:21:31 PM  

Jeebus Saves: I'm really not eager to give any more money to my corrupt as fark electric company.  Gas works just fine, thanks.


Is your gas company different than your electric provider? For most people they're the same, and its not like gas companies have sterling reputations for business ethics, so this feels like an odd flex.
 
AmbassadorBooze
2023-02-05 4:21:39 PM  
Live in the pods and eat the bugs.

No stove needed.  No gas, electricity, or wood stove.  Nothing.  You go to the bug dispensary and get your daily rations.

Problem solved.
 
WordsnCollision [OhFark]
2023-02-05 4:21:50 PM  
Sylvia Plath unavailable for comment.
 
Shakin_Haitian
2023-02-05 4:22:14 PM  

WTP 2: the gas stove gives off particulate matter into the home....yes, that could be the smell of what you are cooking.

SCIENCE !


How do you think smells are created?
 
sinko swimo
2023-02-05 4:23:22 PM  
We have a lectric stove in our kitchen. Mrs. Swimo has found Barkeeper's Friend stove cleaner (for the top of the stove) to be most excellent. Do follow the directions or you won't get your money's worth.
 
LineNoise [OhFark]
2023-02-05 4:23:29 PM  
Look, electric stoves suck.

Induction is awesome for 99% of the stuff a normal even prosumer cook does. Its also a bit more expensive, requires wiring that not everyone may have (and therfor an additional cost), and costs more to use in most places. Not to mention potentially replacing some cookware.

Pushing it as a health argument is just silly. It should be pushed as a green\renewable thing and touting some of the benefits of induction. You will get the folks with deep pockets to help bring down the costs of related items. You will make it so new construction uses it as a selling point.

And the guy who just boils his kraft dinner once or twice a week isn't killing the planet, and won't die from its exaust, regardless.
 
OhioUGrad
2023-02-05 4:23:56 PM  

ifky: Can't wait for the new trend of "owning the libs" by opening up the flow of gas from the stove without igniting it.


This already happens several times a year in red states when their power grid fails and they put generators in their garage/inside. Owns me every time.
 
Raoul Eaton [TotalFark]
2023-02-05 4:25:52 PM  
I've cooked with gas, and I've cooked with electric, both for many years.  Gas provided a much more satisfying cooking experience, but I've still managed to cook thousands of tasty meals on the quasi-shiatty glass cooktop that was here when I moved in 20 years ago.
 
Jeebus Saves
2023-02-05 4:29:48 PM  

zbtop: Jeebus Saves: I'm really not eager to give any more money to my corrupt as fark electric company.  Gas works just fine, thanks.

Is your gas company different than your electric provider? For most people they're the same, and its not like gas companies have sterling reputations for business ethics, so this feels like an odd flex.


Our electric company is in the habit of bribing the state legislature to get preferred treatment.  To the point where it was basically in the company handbook to make sure they bribe certain people.  Paid a $200million fine for it.
 
melfunction
2023-02-05 4:39:07 PM  
The pots and pans in restaurants I've worked in are aluminum and often bent and dented from being thrown around. They would not work on induction stoves.
 
LineNoise [OhFark]
2023-02-05 4:39:43 PM  
Also i'd really like someone to solve the wok problem with induction, its that 1% where i'll concede gas is better unless you are trying to be flamboyant in your kitchen.

I've got my cheap ass, beaten to hell wok, which won't work on an induction. I know that thing like the back of my hand and how it works. I've tried comically expensive ones on induction plates. It really is something that isn't the same.

There are literally billions of people who cook in woks every day, not just me trying to have fun once every other week. Get with the program wok people and sort this out.
 
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