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(Time) Weeners A network of Kochs' will attempt to do what nobody else seems capable of: Koch-blocking orange Julius and screwing him out of the nomination   (time.com) divider line
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OdradekRex [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-02-05 8:59:35 AM  
You know Donnie, when you run third party, you don't have to be controlled by the GOP. So go ahead!
 
Marcus Aurelius [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-02-05 9:16:31 AM  
My loins are girded for a DeSantis Trump death match.
 
null [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-02-05 9:23:03 AM  

OdradekRex: You know Donnie, when you run third party, you don't have to be controlled by the GOP. So go ahead!


The problem with this plan is that his track record and the track records of people around him suggest that a Trump independent campaign would somehow only manage to get on the ballot in like 3 states.  Which means that you'd have to believe his cult would either write him in or not vote for DeSantis or whomever in order for there to not be a serious risk that a Republican wins the Presidency.

On the other hand, he'd likely sue the other 47 states claiming unfair ballot access and so on, which would not necessarily be a bad thing given some of the existing laws.  But then there'd also be all the lawsuits over counting ballots and so on which would have that extra dimension of write-ins and if a write-in that says "MAGA" or "DONNY" or "FJB" counts as a vote for Trump.

The non-MAGA GQP plan just seems to be wishing that he'd just die already, because a prosecution of him results in him whipping up the base further and the base would probably riot and ruin everything, plus the GQP would have to make noises to defend him.

Ideally, hilariously, unironically, Cheetolini wakes up later today and sees this story on Fox News and launches into a huge, semi-coherent tirade about all this dark money from rich people influencing the electoral process and demands a whole set of reforms and perhaps a Constitutional Amendment or SCOTUS decision that throws out Citizens United.
 
Breaker Moran [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-02-05 9:23:32 AM  
This probably isn't the Kochs' angle but it shares a similar cynicism:

"Life, although it may only be an accumulation of anguish, is dear to me, and I will defend it."
― Mary Shelley, Frankenstein
 
Chariset [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-02-05 10:47:42 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: My loins are girded for a DeSantis Trump death match.


Whoever wins, we lose
 
vudukungfu [TotalFark]
2023-02-05 10:56:00 AM  
You know it was rigged or severely broken just to get him into office.
How hard can it be to keep him out.

On the other hand, that entire party is a threat to democracy.
 
aleister_greynight [TotalFark]
2023-02-05 11:16:04 AM  

Chariset: Marcus Aurelius: My loins are girded for a DeSantis Trump death match.

Whoever wins, we lose


If we're lucky they could inflict lethal wounds on each other during the fight.
 
Notabunny [TotalFark]
2023-02-05 11:17:28 AM  
I wonder what the name of Trump's 3rd Party will be. I'll bet it will be Freedom!, or Winning!, Patriot!, or something equally stupid. Whatever the name, Dark Brandon is going to sue Trump for usurping the fire chicken off that sweet Trans Am for the Party's symbol
 
Three Crooked Squirrels [TotalFark]
2023-02-05 12:18:06 PM  

Notabunny: I wonder what the name of Trump's 3rd Party will be. I'll bet it will be Freedom!, or Winning!, Patriot!, or something equally stupid. Whatever the name, Dark Brandon is going to sue Trump for usurping the fire chicken off that sweet Trans Am for the Party's symbol


MAGA
 
misanthropicsob [OhFark]
2023-02-05 12:20:40 PM  
Let them fight.
 
Bith Set Me Up
2023-02-05 12:20:42 PM  

OdradekRex: You know Donnie, when you run third party, you don't have to be controlled by the GOP. So go ahead!


Where have I heard that argument before?

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/248910-exclusive-trump-threatens-third-party-run/
 
Glicky
2023-02-05 12:22:36 PM  
This not because of any objection to Trump's nonexistent policies. It is based purely on perceived electability.
 
menschenfresser
2023-02-05 12:23:14 PM  

aleister_greynight: Chariset: Marcus Aurelius: My loins are girded for a DeSantis Trump death match.

Whoever wins, we lose

If we're lucky they could inflict lethal wounds on each other during the fight.


Just think of the volume of blubber involved in that fight. It'd be like two old sea lion bulls barking and panting until they both pass out from obesity-related exhaustion.
 
New Rising Sun
2023-02-05 12:24:01 PM  
Can you really still say the "Koch Brothers vow to [do a thing]" since one of the two of them died three years ago?  I know there were more, but I thought only two of them had anything to do with the giant ball of suck that was the Koch political fundraising org.
 
Fart_Machine
2023-02-05 12:26:00 PM  
How'd that work out in 2016?

https://www.politico.com/story/2015/07/kochs-freeze-out-trump-120752
 
mongbiohazard
2023-02-05 12:28:27 PM  
FTFA:
The declaration, released in a recent memo to staffers and activists, never explicitly mentions Trump, but

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Oh man, who the fark is stupid enough to believe this absolute dogshiat?

1. If Trump is the nominee, they'll support him. They're "so committed" to defeating him they WON'T EVEN SAY IT OUT LOUD. They will push a small amount of money to some other folks in the primary, and if it doesn't work out... Meh. Then they'll back him anyway, and their networks of orgs and dark money channels will continue to protect him and rally "conservatives" together against everyone else.
2. Trump isn't the only corrupt, crazypants candidate, and they'll support any of them who will vote in the way the remaining Koch brother wants. Their words mean nothing, they've said shiat like this before then just quietly opened a new dark money channel anyway.
3. The Koch brothers were a huge part of the reason the GOP candidates in recent years have gone over the top of the bugshiat, nutso, farking crazyballs zone - they funded that, relentlessly, for decades. They'll continue to.
4. This article is just PR for them.
 
extrafancy
2023-02-05 12:29:25 PM  
Do they think MAGA will be any easier to digest if Nikki Haley spoons it out of the diaper?
 
RasIanI
2023-02-05 12:30:08 PM  
Can't wait to hear from Trump about the "Woke Koch" PACs
 
serfdood [TotalFark]
2023-02-05 12:31:53 PM  
If we want to elect better people, we need better candidates.

Um, yeah, sure.
 
carkiller
2023-02-05 12:31:58 PM  
The enemy of my enemies is also my enemy.
 
mongbiohazard
2023-02-05 12:32:11 PM  

Fart_Machine: How'd that work out in 2016?

https://www.politico.com/story/2015/07/kochs-freeze-out-trump-120752


They also supported him quietly in 2016 too.

https://theintercept.com/2019/08/26/david-koch-donald-trump/

They talk out of both sides of their mouths, and cover all their farking bases because they don't really have principles to speak of.
 
Hyjamon
2023-02-05 12:32:59 PM  

vudukungfu: You know it was rigged or severely broken just to get him into office.
How hard can it be to keep him out.

On the other hand, that entire party is a threat to democracy.


IIRC the GOP is changing some of the rules to be invited to debates. You will need some X% of small donations to avoid candidates being propped up by just a few interested (read: wealthy) people.

Not sure what the benefit of this strategy is. I see this playing to Trump's favor and providing Trump new angle to grift the 'small donors'.
 
Ragin' Asian [TotalFark]
2023-02-05 12:33:16 PM  
Oh, are we supposed to be grateful for the Koch douchebags after their decades of dry buttfarking the country?
 
mrparks
2023-02-05 12:33:36 PM  
Isn't it just the one Koch now? Or are they a collective, like Hanson?
 
aleister_greynight [TotalFark]
2023-02-05 12:34:05 PM  

menschenfresser: aleister_greynight: Chariset: Marcus Aurelius: My loins are girded for a DeSantis Trump death match.

Whoever wins, we lose

If we're lucky they could inflict lethal wounds on each other during the fight.

Just think of the volume of blubber involved in that fight. It'd be like two old sea lion bulls barking and panting until they both pass out from obesity-related exhaustion.


And heart failure, if we are lucky.
 
Turbo Cojones
2023-02-05 12:34:25 PM  
Do it Donnie.  Live just long enough to make a third party run.  Show the bastards what you can do!
 
mistahtom
2023-02-05 12:40:16 PM  
The GOP doesn't need the Presidency in 2024 as long as they can maintain their SCOTUS and one congressional chamber majority.
 
buravirgil
2023-02-05 12:42:33 PM  
A vow to fight to deny? So, Trump's nomination is now a lock. Except for DeSantis' fresh yet recycled Trump-inspired peddling of sensational but unworkable solutions proven to generate headlines and a galvanizing effect on christofascists.
 
phaseolus
2023-02-05 12:48:06 PM  
A network of Kochs' will attempt to

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meat0918 [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-02-05 12:48:41 PM  
The real money is worried Donnie and crew will tank the world economy rather than keep them rich and unaccountable.
 
natazha [BareFark]
2023-02-05 12:48:48 PM  
tfg probably would not have been on the ballot in 2016 without the billions of dollars in free advertising the Kochs gave him. As far as a third party run, the decision would have to be made relatively soon because of the need to collect and verify signatures. Oklahoma, Colorado and Louisiana are exceptions, as of 2020 you could get on the ballot just by paying a fee.
 
baronbloodbath [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-02-05 12:50:18 PM  
If the Kochs won't support Cheetolini, that's okay! The Mercers will happily head a superPAC and be the brains behind his campaign.

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sniderman
2023-02-05 12:51:13 PM  

Notabunny: I wonder what the name of Trump's 3rd Party will be.


It will be the TRUMP Party. There's NO WAY TFG will pass up the chance to brand a political party after himself.
 
Colour_out_of_Space
2023-02-05 12:51:41 PM  
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suebhoney
2023-02-05 1:00:04 PM  

baronbloodbath: If the Kochs won't support Cheetolini, that's okay! The Mercers will happily head a superPAC and be the brains behind his campaign.

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I can't help it, no matter how wrong it is to say it, but she is one of the ugliest women, inside and out, I've ever laid eyes on.

/no, I do not want to see comparisons so please do not post them and ruin everyone's Sunday. TY
 
Exile On Beale Street [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-02-05 1:01:50 PM  

New Rising Sun: Can you really still say the "Koch Brothers vow to [do a thing]" since one of the two of them died three years ago?  I know there were more, but I thought only two of them had anything to do with the giant ball of suck that was the Koch political fundraising org.


How about the Motch brothers?
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born_yesterday [TotalFark]
2023-02-05 1:02:10 PM  
Good f*cking luck.  Donald Trump's followers are relentless and they are fired up and oh, shiat, is that a set of stairs? I didn't sign up for this.
 
RasIanI
2023-02-05 1:02:32 PM  

suebhoney: baronbloodbath: If the Kochs won't support Cheetolini, that's okay! The Mercers will happily head a superPAC and be the brains behind his campaign.

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I can't help it, no matter how wrong it is to say it, but she is one of the ugliest women, inside and out, I've ever laid eyes on.

/no, I do not want to see comparisons so please do not post them and ruin everyone's Sunday. TY


I'd hit it, still....
 
baron von doodle [OhFark]
2023-02-05 1:03:49 PM  

Hyjamon: vudukungfu: You know it was rigged or severely broken just to get him into office.
How hard can it be to keep him out.

On the other hand, that entire party is a threat to democracy.

IIRC the GOP is changing some of the rules to be invited to debates. You will need some X% of small donations to avoid candidates being propped up by just a few interested (read: wealthy) people.

Not sure what the benefit of this strategy is. I see this playing to Trump's favor and providing Trump new angle to grift the 'small donors'.


The idea is that you will get less of a clown car than the first time. The main reason Trump won the 2016 primaries was that the votes were split 20 different ways and he kept getting a plurality. They think that getting rid of the Herman Cain types, their chosen candidate will get out to an early lead and eventually win.

They're wrong, of course, but that's the idea.
 
Exile On Beale Street [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-02-05 1:04:07 PM  

baronbloodbath: If the Kochs won't support Cheetolini, that's okay! The Mercers will happily head a superPAC and be the brains behind his campaign.

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Or the fiveheads behind it.
 
hlehmann
2023-02-05 1:05:35 PM  
Can't they just both die?
 
dryknife
2023-02-05 1:06:05 PM  

baronbloodbath: If the Kochs won't support Cheetolini, that's okay! The Mercers will happily head a superPAC and be the brains behind his campaign.



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Don't Troll Me Bro!
2023-02-05 1:08:22 PM  

Three Crooked Squirrels: Notabunny: I wonder what the name of Trump's 3rd Party will be. I'll bet it will be Freedom!, or Winning!, Patriot!, or something equally stupid. Whatever the name, Dark Brandon is going to sue Trump for usurping the fire chicken off that sweet Trans Am for the Party's symbol

MAGA


Truth
 
danvon
2023-02-05 1:10:51 PM  
What I take from this, and knowing the Koch's political ideology/inclinations, is that they've found someone even worse than Trump-as hard as that is to imagine.
 
HairBolus [TotalFark]
2023-02-05 1:11:05 PM  

mongbiohazard: They're "so committed" to defeating him they WON'T EVEN SAY IT OUT LOUD.


Americans for Prosperity is 501(c)(4) - they get taxed if they mention candidate names that they endorse or oppose.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/501(c)_organization#501(c)(4)

Strongly hinting is allowed.
 
AAAAGGGGHHHH
2023-02-05 1:13:57 PM  
NOT-paywalled-up-the-ass version of the exact same article:

https://ca.news.yahoo.com/koch-political-machine-vows-fight-123030494.html
 
aleister_greynight [TotalFark]
2023-02-05 1:16:32 PM  

AAAAGGGGHHHH: NOT-paywalled-up-the-ass version of the exact same article:

https://ca.news.yahoo.com/koch-political-machine-vows-fight-123030494.html


While they are annoying, you do know you can delete your cookie and not have a problem right?
 
mongbiohazard
2023-02-05 1:30:04 PM  

HairBolus: mongbiohazard: They're "so committed" to defeating him they WON'T EVEN SAY IT OUT LOUD.

Americans for Prosperity is 501(c)(4) - they get taxed if they mention candidate names that they endorse or oppose.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/501(c)_organization#501(c)(4)

Strongly hinting is allowed.


Koch was quietly funding Trump while getting these puff pieces about opposing him in 2016 too.

He'll do BOTH. It's pure triangulation.
 
Do you know the way to Mordor
2023-02-05 1:33:27 PM  

OdradekRex: You know Donnie, when you run third party, you don't have to be controlled by the GOP. So go ahead!


He's so stupid that if he runs third party, he might try a new scam- taking out third party insurance and making a fraudulent claim!
 
FkYouFkYouFkYou-WhosNext
2023-02-05 1:33:50 PM  
Brother?*
 
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