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(Coming Soon)   After last week's fantastic episode that should win all the Emmy's, we return to your fungal jungle bungle as Joel and Ellie hit the road and go west. Along the way, they meet the mysterious Kathleen. The Last of Us, 9PM ET on HBO   (comingsoon.net) divider line
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kdawg7736 [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-02-04 11:59:55 PM  
Let's do this.
 
Klippoklondike [TotalFark]
2023-02-05 2:53:24 PM  
I have to start watching this show.  Apparently incels hate it for some reason, so that means it's probably really good
 
robertus [TotalFark]
2023-02-05 4:26:18 PM  
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Giant Clown Shoe [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-02-05 7:24:46 PM  
It's fun to have something good to watch on Sunday again. My wife is pumped too
 
BullBearMS
2023-02-05 8:41:37 PM  
I think the sweetest bit of last week's episode was Bill taking care of flowers in the neighborhood every day despite the fact that he didn't personally give a tinker's damn about appearances.
 
snowshovel
2023-02-05 9:04:41 PM  
The Bill and Frank episode was well done, but at the same time....

Let's spend an hour showing the lives of two people that were only mentioned in passing once in the previous episode, and then ultimately have them not involved in any consequence for the main characters going forward. It was a strange aside that felt like it was only there because they needed to make a very cheap episode while fishing for awards. They could've at least made a bigger mention of them earlier in the season.

At least when Book of Boba Fett went off and ignored Boba Fett, those characters eventually became integral to the ending of the Boba Fett series (but it still felt really really stupid).
 
Capo Del Bandito
2023-02-05 9:11:42 PM  

Klippoklondike: I have to start watching this show.  Apparently incels hate it for some reason, so that means it's probably really good


The teenage female lead is a lesbian. And there's an episode with a gay love story.

There's also the giant end of the world thing but they're upset Nick Offerman kissed a dude.
 
BorgiaGinz
2023-02-05 9:22:21 PM  
I would not be able to withstand the temptation to strangle Ellie.
 
Gooch [BareFark]
2023-02-05 9:31:00 PM  
They'll never top, "My Dinner with Hyphae"
 
thornhill
2023-02-05 9:36:48 PM  
I guess I'm in the minority who found Bill's motivations to be unintentionally patriarchal and icky.
 
BorgiaGinz
2023-02-05 9:38:43 PM  

thornhill: I guess I'm in the minority who found Bill's motivations to be unintentionally patriarchal and icky.


Do you have a problem with a gay relationship?
 
fearmongert
2023-02-05 9:41:39 PM  

Klippoklondike: I have to start watching this show.  Apparently incels hate it for some reason, so that means it's probably really good


They hate it cuz there were teh gayz in an episode-


And it was a fantastic episode
 
BorgiaGinz
2023-02-05 9:43:24 PM  
Why would you kill a prisoner without interrogating him?
 
fearmongert
2023-02-05 9:43:32 PM  

snowshovel: The Bill and Frank episode was well done, but at the same time....

Let's spend an hour showing the lives of two people that were only mentioned in passing once in the previous episode, and then ultimately have them not involved in any consequence for the main characters going forward. It was a strange aside that felt like it was only there because they needed to make a very cheap episode while fishing for awards. They could've at least made a bigger mention of them earlier in the season.

At least when Book of Boba Fett went off and ignored Boba Fett, those characters eventually became integral to the ending of the Boba Fett series (but it still felt really really stupid).


Isn't the fact that they found a massive cache of weapons going to have an impact moving forward?
 
thornhill
2023-02-05 9:47:04 PM  

BorgiaGinz: thornhill: I guess I'm in the minority who found Bill's motivations to be unintentionally patriarchal and icky.

Do you have a problem with a gay relationship?


My problem has nothing to do with that.

Bill's reason for living and commitment to Frank was about his perception that Frank needed someone to take care of him, and his desire to take care of someone. The letter at the end ain't exactly subtle. That's not love, straight or gay. That's an unhealthy relationship.
 
Severaux
2023-02-05 9:50:25 PM  

snowshovel: The Bill and Frank episode was well done, but at the same time....

Let's spend an hour showing the lives of two people that were only mentioned in passing once in the previous episode, and then ultimately have them not involved in any consequence for the main characters going forward. It was a strange aside that felt like it was only there because they needed to make a very cheap episode while fishing for awards. They could've at least made a bigger mention of them earlier in the season.

At least when Book of Boba Fett went off and ignored Boba Fett, those characters eventually became integral to the ending of the Boba Fett series (but it still felt really really stupid).


Honestly, I just wish they hadn't killed Bill and followed up the episode with Joel, Ellie, and Bill in the town and school.

It certainly wouldn't have had the same emotional effect, though.
 
NKURyan
2023-02-05 9:53:20 PM  

thornhill: BorgiaGinz: thornhill: I guess I'm in the minority who found Bill's motivations to be unintentionally patriarchal and icky.

Do you have a problem with a gay relationship?

My problem has nothing to do with that.

Bill's reason for living and commitment to Frank was about his perception that Frank needed someone to take care of him, and his desire to take care of someone. The letter at the end ain't exactly subtle. That's not love, straight or gay. That's an unhealthy relationship.


Seemed pretty clear to me that Frank took care of Bill just as much as Bill took care of Frank... Bill took care of the physical side of things, while Frank took care of the psychological side of things.
 
BorgiaGinz
2023-02-05 9:58:07 PM  

thornhill: BorgiaGinz: thornhill: I guess I'm in the minority who found Bill's motivations to be unintentionally patriarchal and icky.

Do you have a problem with a gay relationship?

My problem has nothing to do with that.

Bill's reason for living and commitment to Frank was about his perception that Frank needed someone to take care of him, and his desire to take care of someone. The letter at the end ain't exactly subtle. That's not love, straight or gay. That's an unhealthy relationship.


Frank did need Bill to protect him, and Bill needed Frank to humanize him.
Ellie needs to be protected because she's 14.
Also I can tell you haven't been married because in every relationship, one of you is the stronger. Sometimes you have blended strengths, sometimes you alternate being the stronger partner.
 
Eddie Barzoom
2023-02-05 10:00:11 PM  

NKURyan: thornhill: BorgiaGinz: thornhill: I guess I'm in the minority who found Bill's motivations to be unintentionally patriarchal and icky.

Do you have a problem with a gay relationship?

My problem has nothing to do with that.

Bill's reason for living and commitment to Frank was about his perception that Frank needed someone to take care of him, and his desire to take care of someone. The letter at the end ain't exactly subtle. That's not love, straight or gay. That's an unhealthy relationship.

Seemed pretty clear to me that Frank took care of Bill just as much as Bill took care of Frank... Bill took care of the physical side of things, while Frank took care of the psychological side of things.


Precisely why the ep worked for me. Both guys figured out pretty quickly "I can be useful here". I know love that works when I see it. It *takes* work, and it takes knowing what you bring to the table and what you don't.
 
NKURyan
2023-02-05 10:01:21 PM  
Thoughts on the episode...
-This was always going to be a bit of a comedown after all the acclaim given to last week's episode, but I still really enjoyed it.
-Ellie's joke book! Plus she managed to find Bill's magazine after all.
-Joel has really warmed up to Ellie at this point... seems a little quicker than in the games, but I think they're handling it well. Some nice moments here (Joel standing watch all night in the woods, he doesn't lose his temper with Ellie after the save like he does in the game, he plays off her jokes pretty well).
-I'm not sure about Kathleen just yet... I get what they're going for here but it hasn't quite hit for me so far. We'll see where they take it.
-Cool to see Tommy's voice actor in the game get an on screen role for the TV series. I think that might've been Ashley Johnson (Ellie's voice actor) singing over the end credits, as well.
-Curious to see where they actually insert the "Left Behind" DLC into the story... they've been teasing it off and on through conversations.
-Moving this part of the story from Pittsburgh to KC makes sense geographically.
-We get a quick intro to Henry and Sam, but we'll have to wait until next week to really see them in action.
-No clickers (again), though it seems we might get our first Bloater soon...
 
snowshovel
2023-02-05 10:06:57 PM  

fearmongert: snowshovel: The Bill and Frank episode was well done, but at the same time....

Let's spend an hour showing the lives of two people that were only mentioned in passing once in the previous episode, and then ultimately have them not involved in any consequence for the main characters going forward. It was a strange aside that felt like it was only there because they needed to make a very cheap episode while fishing for awards. They could've at least made a bigger mention of them earlier in the season.

At least when Book of Boba Fett went off and ignored Boba Fett, those characters eventually became integral to the ending of the Boba Fett series (but it still felt really really stupid).

Isn't the fact that they found a massive cache of weapons going to have an impact moving forward?


The three minutes of Bill in the basement when they were trucking off everyone from the village explains the weapons. Actually, just the fact that Joel and Tess(?) knew Bill would explain the cache of weapons, since we have three episodes of them running around with weaponized people in a zombie apocalypse. In the episode of Walking Dead when Carl finds the can of pudding in an abandoned house, we didn't need a full hour explaining the familial relationships of the people who left it there.

Again, I'm not saying the episode was bad at all; but I would've liked at least a little sense of that "these people are important to us, and then also important to the viewer" from the earlier episodes, than just a random interlude.
 
aungen [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-02-05 10:07:55 PM  

fearmongert: Klippoklondike: I have to start watching this show.  Apparently incels hate it for some reason, so that means it's probably really good

They hate it cuz there were teh gayz in an episode-


And it was a fantastic episode


I have to say, I'm torn about it.  That was ... I almost feel like that needed its own actual movie.  And it seemed like one of the most realistic portrayals I've seen on a show.  Maybe people don't think that was realistic, but it was realistic to me.  I know how to do most of that stuff.  I would have been the guy with the traps and the fences.  Now ... me personally, I didn't like the guy that came along.  The guy that was already there is way more the kind of person I could enjoy 20 years with.

Holy cow, when the 'Of played piano and sang, I was in heaven.  I can't dislike it, but I do wish we hadn't burned an entire episode on it.  Then again, less wouldn't have worked so well.  So I remain torn about it.
 
NKURyan
2023-02-05 10:09:03 PM  

Capo Del Bandito: Klippoklondike: I have to start watching this show.  Apparently incels hate it for some reason, so that means it's probably really good

The teenage female lead is a lesbian. And there's an episode with a gay love story.

There's also the giant end of the world thing but they're upset Nick Offerman kissed a dude.


The weird thing about the outrage is that Bill was 100% confirmed gay in the game, too. The big change for the TV series is that they turned his miserable, unhappy gay relationship in the game into a sweet and loving one for the show... which says everything you need to know about the people complaining about it. "He can be gay, just not happy and gay" is a pretty garbage opinion to have.
 
aungen [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-02-05 10:12:49 PM  
Note:  I believe they are using the relationship and the loss, and the call for protecting Tess as a driving force to ensure Joel doesn't ditch Ellie.  So it speeds up the bonding a bit, and wouldn't have worked without a longer tale to get people to actually consider relationships with an open mind.  And that episode did some psychological work on us.  And it allowed us to see what kind of impact things are having on Joel a bit better.
 
NKURyan
2023-02-05 10:15:17 PM  

snowshovel: Again, I'm not saying the episode was bad at all; but I would've liked at least a little sense of that "these people are important to us, and then also important to the viewer" from the earlier episodes, than just a random interlude.


Bill was mentioned in both episodes that came before it. He clearly played an important role in Tess and Joel's life even if we hadn't seen him at all up to that point, and I think by the end of episode 3 it was pretty clear his story was going to feed into Joel's story going forward. Did every single detail shown to us in the flashbacks matter? No, probably not, but they go a long way towards making us understand why Bill wrote what he wrote for Joel so they all worked IMO.
 
aungen [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-02-05 10:15:55 PM  
oh thank heavens for showing the 'one in the chamber' going away.
 
Severaux
2023-02-05 10:25:59 PM  

NKURyan: -Curious to see where they actually insert the "Left Behind" DLC into the story... they've been teasing it off and on through conversations.


I imagine they'll do the obvious thing and place it between the show equivalent of the fall/winter transition in the game.

That's where the present part of Left Behind is set, and then use flashbacks to convey the other half of the story.
 
Giant Clown Shoe [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-02-05 10:26:20 PM  
Pedro Pascal and Bella Ramsey are perfect, They're killing it
 
Giant Clown Shoe [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-02-05 10:31:56 PM  
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I'll bet Joel hasn't smiled like this since his daughter was alive
 
Last Man on Earth
2023-02-05 10:37:39 PM  

BorgiaGinz: thornhill: BorgiaGinz: thornhill: I guess I'm in the minority who found Bill's motivations to be unintentionally patriarchal and icky.

Do you have a problem with a gay relationship?

My problem has nothing to do with that.

Bill's reason for living and commitment to Frank was about his perception that Frank needed someone to take care of him, and his desire to take care of someone. The letter at the end ain't exactly subtle. That's not love, straight or gay. That's an unhealthy relationship.

Frank did need Bill to protect him, and Bill needed Frank to humanize him.
Ellie needs to be protected because she's 14.
Also I can tell you haven't been married because in every relationship, one of you is the stronger. Sometimes you have blended strengths, sometimes you alternate being the stronger partner.


I agree with you overall, and I absolutely adored that whole episode, but in this particular instance, thornhill's idea that it's unhealthy on some level is an interesting take, especially given how it motivated Joel.  I don't feel like it's a spoiler to say that Joel and Ellie develop a father/daughter dynamic, that's kind of a given, but also that Joel sees Ellie as kind of a stand-in for or second chance at saving Sarah on some subconscious level.  There's definitely an unhealthiness to that, and it does influence his thought process and decision making in ways that aren't necessarily good or ideal.
 
Eddie Barzoom
2023-02-05 10:51:49 PM  

Last Man on Earth: BorgiaGinz: thornhill: BorgiaGinz: thornhill: I guess I'm in the minority who found Bill's motivations to be unintentionally patriarchal and icky.

Do you have a problem with a gay relationship?

My problem has nothing to do with that.

Bill's reason for living and commitment to Frank was about his perception that Frank needed someone to take care of him, and his desire to take care of someone. The letter at the end ain't exactly subtle. That's not love, straight or gay. That's an unhealthy relationship.

Frank did need Bill to protect him, and Bill needed Frank to humanize him.
Ellie needs to be protected because she's 14.
Also I can tell you haven't been married because in every relationship, one of you is the stronger. Sometimes you have blended strengths, sometimes you alternate being the stronger partner.

I agree with you overall, and I absolutely adored that whole episode, but in this particular instance, thornhill's idea that it's unhealthy on some level is an interesting take, especially given how it motivated Joel.  I don't feel like it's a spoiler to say that Joel and Ellie develop a father/daughter dynamic, that's kind of a given, but also that Joel sees Ellie as kind of a stand-in for or second chance at saving Sarah on some subconscious level.  There's definitely an unhealthiness to that, and it does influence his thought process and decision making in ways that aren't necessarily good or ideal.


On some level all relationships are about something missing in just yourself, or you'd rather be alone. I can't say as it's healthy necessarily, but it's part of life. Nobody's perfect.
 
aungen [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-02-05 11:01:46 PM  
MAN, this episode was too short.  Dammit.
This was exactly what I needed today.

I'm finally starting to like Ellie.  Thank goodness :)
I had no idea that thing was hereditary, though.
 
some_beer_drinker
2023-02-05 11:03:42 PM  
shhhh, it's starting. how can this be better than last week? unpossible
 
NKURyan
2023-02-05 11:08:13 PM  

aungen: MAN, this episode was too short.  Dammit.
This was exactly what I needed today.

I'm finally starting to like Ellie.  Thank goodness :)
I had no idea that thing was hereditary, though.


Putting a 45 minute episode after an 80 minute episode does feel kind of unfair, heheh.
 
Last Man on Earth
2023-02-05 11:12:35 PM  

NKURyan: aungen: MAN, this episode was too short.  Dammit.
This was exactly what I needed today.

I'm finally starting to like Ellie.  Thank goodness :)
I had no idea that thing was hereditary, though.

Putting a 45 minute episode after an 80 minute episode does feel kind of unfair, heheh.


Yeah, but at least we're getting episode 5 on Friday because of the Super Bowl.  Granted, that means a longer wait for episode 6, but so it goes.
 
Eddie Barzoom
2023-02-05 11:26:05 PM  
No infected in this one, unless I missed something. What's going on in the basement of that building?
 
gonegirl
2023-02-05 11:27:21 PM  
I was asking my fellow LoU fan who was able to watch it before me, "Is it the Philly episode with Henry and Sam?" to which he replied, "No."

And I guess that dirty shiat was right, because it's St. Louis rather than Philly, and H&S are probably going to be central next episode. Which I also assume will be the first bloater episode - that's what's heaving under the asphalt, right?

I disliked the fact that, in the game, all of the humans you kill are men - it implies that all of the women have already been killed or are being kept as property somewhere. I assume they did that in an attempt to not seem misogynistic, but it didn't really work for me. I like that this episode introduces a female antagonist, though she might be the only woman left in St. Louis, which is also kind of weird.
 
gonegirl
2023-02-05 11:31:07 PM  

thornhill: I guess I'm in the minority who found Bill's motivations to be unintentionally patriarchal and icky.


In the game, Bill's a real piece of shiat. Frank leaves him because he's a real piece of shiat. They changed the story pretty dramatically for the show, but Bill's still a real piece of shiat. He's just a real piece of shiat who found love.

You can find it icky, go nuts. But some of us real pieces of shiat enjoy that glimmer of hope that someone, somewhere will love us, even if it takes the zombie apocalypse to make it happen.
 
moothemagiccow
2023-02-05 11:34:19 PM  
how the fark is Kansas City on the way from Boston to Wyoming
 
Hillbilly Jim
2023-02-05 11:41:08 PM  

gonegirl: I was asking my fellow LoU fan who was able to watch it before me, "Is it the Philly episode with Henry and Sam?" to which he replied, "No."

And I guess that dirty shiat was right, because it's St. Louis rather than Philly, and H&S are probably going to be central next episode. Which I also assume will be the first bloater episode - that's what's heaving under the asphalt, right?

I disliked the fact that, in the game, all of the humans you kill are men - it implies that all of the women have already been killed or are being kept as property somewhere. I assume they did that in an attempt to not seem misogynistic, but it didn't really work for me. I like that this episode introduces a female antagonist, though she might be the only woman left in St. Louis, which is also kind of weird.


Pittsburgh not Philly and Kansas City not St. Louis but you got the states right!
 
Last Man on Earth
2023-02-05 11:41:58 PM  

moothemagiccow: how the fark is Kansas City on the way from Boston to Wyoming


In the game it was Pittsburgh, which makes more sense geographically, but they had to make allowances for where they were actually filming.  That said, think of it as "they couldn't necessarily take a normal route like we would today."  They had to dodge heavily-infected areas and FEDRA facilities, or else they couldn't count on weather and didn't want to risk getting stuck somewhere freezing like Chicago if winter comes rolling in early.
 
The Bestest
2023-02-05 11:42:58 PM  

moothemagiccow: how the fark is Kansas City on the way from Boston to Wyoming


took 70 instead of 90 or 80 for some reason
 
The Bestest
2023-02-05 11:44:06 PM  

Last Man on Earth: They had to dodge heavily-infected areas and FEDRA facilities


which would be my best guess
 
gonegirl
2023-02-05 11:48:27 PM  

Hillbilly Jim: gonegirl: I was asking my fellow LoU fan who was able to watch it before me, "Is it the Philly episode with Henry and Sam?" to which he replied, "No."

And I guess that dirty shiat was right, because it's St. Louis rather than Philly, and H&S are probably going to be central next episode. Which I also assume will be the first bloater episode - that's what's heaving under the asphalt, right?

I disliked the fact that, in the game, all of the humans you kill are men - it implies that all of the women have already been killed or are being kept as property somewhere. I assume they did that in an attempt to not seem misogynistic, but it didn't really work for me. I like that this episode introduces a female antagonist, though she might be the only woman left in St. Louis, which is also kind of weird.

Pittsburgh not Philly and Kansas City not St. Louis but you got the states right!


Ughhhhh you're right and I'm sorry.
 
Last Man on Earth
2023-02-05 11:48:46 PM  

The Bestest: moothemagiccow: how the fark is Kansas City on the way from Boston to Wyoming

took 70 instead of 90 or 80 for some reason


The Bestest: Last Man on Earth: They had to dodge heavily-infected areas and FEDRA facilities

which would be my best guess


That or, as Ellie noted, it's her second day in a car, she might have navigated them down a suboptimal road.  If Joel was relying on her to read the map, mistakes could have been made.  Regardless, the most reasonable answer is to repeat to yourself "it's just a show, I should really just relax."
 
gonegirl
2023-02-05 11:51:48 PM  

Hillbilly Jim: gonegirl: I was asking my fellow LoU fan who was able to watch it before me, "Is it the Philly episode with Henry and Sam?" to which he replied, "No."

And I guess that dirty shiat was right, because it's St. Louis rather than Philly, and H&S are probably going to be central next episode. Which I also assume will be the first bloater episode - that's what's heaving under the asphalt, right?

I disliked the fact that, in the game, all of the humans you kill are men - it implies that all of the women have already been killed or are being kept as property somewhere. I assume they did that in an attempt to not seem misogynistic, but it didn't really work for me. I like that this episode introduces a female antagonist, though she might be the only woman left in St. Louis, which is also kind of weird.

Pittsburgh not Philly and Kansas City not St. Louis but you got the states right!


Also, here's my homemade clicker costume from two Hallowens ago.

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Zombie DJ
2023-02-05 11:55:15 PM  
Man, he sounds so much like Nathan Fiilian
 
moothemagiccow
2023-02-06 12:02:50 AM  

Last Man on Earth: The Bestest: moothemagiccow: how the fark is Kansas City on the way from Boston to Wyoming

took 70 instead of 90 or 80 for some reason

The Bestest: Last Man on Earth: They had to dodge heavily-infected areas and FEDRA facilities

which would be my best guess

That or, as Ellie noted, it's her second day in a car, she might have navigated them down a suboptimal road.  If Joel was relying on her to read the map, mistakes could have been made.  Regardless, the most reasonable answer is to repeat to yourself "it's just a show, I should really just relax."


cmon i'm just getting started.

aside from the fact that no one's going to notice it's not Pittsburgh..
what do they think KC is, a one-horse town? "I'm the doctor that delivered you?" Lady's like 50, so she was a pre-apocalypse birth. They didn't have hospitals in KC in the mid-70s? No ob-gyns? No urban doctor remembers what babies they delivered. Hell, half the time you're just the doctor on call and you're delivering another doctor's patient's baby
 
mjbok
2023-02-06 12:25:54 AM  
The issue I had with last week's episode is this is a series with a finite number of episodes.  Season one is the first game and season 2 is the second (IIRC).  There is a lot to cover and not a lot of time to cover it in.  Last week, while poignant, etc. was all filler.  It did zero to advance the plot.  It is a good to great show, but what gets sacrificed in story telling in order for a detour that isn't about Ellie and Joel?
 
BafflerMeal
2023-02-06 12:44:17 AM  

mjbok: The issue I had with last week's episode is this is a series with a finite number of episodes.  Season one is the first game and season 2 is the second (IIRC).  There is a lot to cover and not a lot of time to cover it in.  Last week, while poignant, etc. was all filler.  It did zero to advance the plot.  It is a good to great show, but what gets sacrificed in story telling in order for a detour that isn't about Ellie and Joel?


There isnt as much story as you remember.

Boston
Bill
Pittsburgh
Wyoming
Colorado
Finale

Even giving two episodes to each chapter, which they wont, that's only twelve episodes. I think they'll be fine.
 
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