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(Some Guy)   Saturday Gamer Alert: Are you well heeled and play alot? Have a drool or 2 and read about a RTX 4090 Titan 4 slot with 48 Gigs of ddr6x, 'how does 'yowza' still apply in 2023   (videocardz.com) divider line
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LurkerSupreme [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-02-04 11:55:44 PM  
I hope for the sake of your PCI slot it also comes with a brace. That thing looks like it'd have more sag than your grandpappy's nutsack.
 
Last Man on Earth
2023-02-05 12:03:06 AM  
That sounds cool (albeit mostly future-proofing rather than something we'll need any time soon), but I doubt it'll fit my case, even the RTX 3080 was a tight fit.  Besides, my bigger bottleneck these days is probably the processor, I'm running on a Ryzen 9 3950x.  Not bad or anything, but I'd have to upgrade that first for a new video card to do me much good.
 
Concrete Donkey
2023-02-05 12:15:38 AM  
Yeah, its nice and all....


But im at the point where my next upgrade is a mobo....sooooooo......yeah....
 
mongbiohazard
2023-02-05 12:18:28 AM  

Last Man on Earth: That sounds cool (albeit mostly future-proofing rather than something we'll need any time soon), but I doubt it'll fit my case, even the RTX 3080 was a tight fit.  Besides, my bigger bottleneck these days is probably the processor, I'm running on a Ryzen 9 3950x.  Not bad or anything, but I'd have to upgrade that first for a new video card to do me much good.


I'm building a new machine at the end of the year, and so far it doesn't look like I'll be going Nvidia for my GPU when the time comes. They're ballooning up in size - while also inflating in price - and I want to build in a smaller case this time. AMD is looking like my choice for GPU, though I've got high dark horse hopes for Intel.

If nothing else, Intel might have a GPU useful for turning this current machine into a mighty fine HTPC/game streaming PC while I use an AMD GPU for my main PC.
 
Yaw String [TotalFark]
2023-02-05 12:29:19 AM  
But will it make minesweeper look/play better?
 
Ivo Shandor [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-02-05 12:33:49 AM  

LurkerSupreme: I hope for the sake of your PCI slot it also comes with a brace. That thing looks like it'd have more sag than your grandpappy's nutsack.


Put the GPU on a full-size ATX board and give me a slot to plug in a CPU module.
 
Smoking GNU
2023-02-05 12:59:16 AM  
What's the opposite of being well-heeled?
 
ZMugg [TotalFark]
2023-02-05 1:07:56 AM  

Smoking GNU: What's the opposite of being well-heeled?


Poorly-toed.
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phimuskapsi [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-02-05 1:29:51 AM  

LurkerSupreme: I hope for the sake of your PCI slot it also comes with a brace. That thing looks like it'd have more sag than your grandpappy's nutsack.


My motherboard/case allows for vertical mounting, it's pretty slick, all the weight is on the back of the case, not the slot.
 
Jim_Callahan
2023-02-05 1:45:50 AM  
The bit about manufacturers ditching their hot new aggressively-multidimensional memory geometry in favor of "y'know, we can just print more of the old geometry in the same volume and get the same results without the 10x cost multiplier" is the SRC version of the song that never ends.  Ram geometry alterations are farking middle-school fashion trends at this point, DDR has been DDR for decades now because it turns out you can't out-math a pretty basic problem of geometry that's been the same since the farking 600s when the Caliph's scholars were on about it.

Also I'd make a comment about future-proofing being obscenely silly when the future you're proofing against is a full SRC roadmap device generation away, but these are prototype specs that probably won't be released for several years so they might actually intentionally be designed as early-adopter alternates to the inherently-superior devices that'll be coming out simultaneously with the next size iteration.

// I think I've finally achieved a level of nerd-post where I've typed something that is perfectly sensible and even pretty reductive, but also completely indecipherable from the outside of the profession.  Go me, I guess.
 
Smoking GNU
2023-02-05 1:51:15 AM  

ZMugg: Smoking GNU: What's the opposite of being well-heeled?

Poorly-toed.
[th.bing.com image 384x262]


Oh gawds. Nvm then.
 
the money is in the banana stand
2023-02-05 2:21:29 AM  

Jim_Callahan: The bit about manufacturers ditching their hot new aggressively-multidimensional memory geometry in favor of "y'know, we can just print more of the old geometry in the same volume and get the same results without the 10x cost multiplier" is the SRC version of the song that never ends.  Ram geometry alterations are farking middle-school fashion trends at this point, DDR has been DDR for decades now because it turns out you can't out-math a pretty basic problem of geometry that's been the same since the farking 600s when the Caliph's scholars were on about it.

Also I'd make a comment about future-proofing being obscenely silly when the future you're proofing against is a full SRC roadmap device generation away, but these are prototype specs that probably won't be released for several years so they might actually intentionally be designed as early-adopter alternates to the inherently-superior devices that'll be coming out simultaneously with the next size iteration.

// I think I've finally achieved a level of nerd-post where I've typed something that is perfectly sensible and even pretty reductive, but also completely indecipherable from the outside of the profession.  Go me, I guess.


Slash dot like typing detected!
 
Ivo Shandor [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-02-05 3:15:03 AM  
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replacementcool
2023-02-05 3:40:57 AM  
is it gonna melt the power connector and catch fire only for nvidia to blame the customers?
 
Entropy_Bot
2023-02-05 4:00:17 AM  

replacementcool: is it gonna melt the power connector and catch fire only for nvidia to blame the customers?


Being that you'll probably need a 240 volt outlet to run the thirsty biatch on your 2000 watt power supply, yes.

Just bring back SLI FFS.
 
Entropy_Bot
2023-02-05 4:06:14 AM  
Wait, no I take that back. They've only added RAM. Still, 800 watts my ass. Haven't people been hitting the performance ceiling with 800w on the current gen?
 
Nimbull
2023-02-05 8:42:04 AM  
I remember when my PCI slots held more then one card for four. Back in the day it was video card, sound card, network card, modem card, etc. Now it's VIDEO CARD and that's about it after that beast eats up the back panel. Thank the COBOL Lords most everything else got deprecated or integrated. Imagine having to choose between graphics, sound, or online gaming?
 
Night Train to Wakanda
2023-02-05 9:43:38 AM  
"Small dick energy" the graphics card.

I haven't seen something scream "Look upon my works, and despair" more than this generation begging to justify its price tag.
 
Night Train to Wakanda
2023-02-05 9:47:00 AM  

Nimbull: I remember when my PCI slots held more then one card for four. Back in the day it was video card, sound card, network card, modem card, etc. Now it's VIDEO CARD and that's about it after that beast eats up the back panel. Thank the COBOL Lords most everything else got deprecated or integrated. Imagine having to choose between graphics, sound, or online gaming?


If we're being honest, this is all you need for a "gaming" PC anymore.

HX99G mini pc
Youtube 4ECFNgChZng


Big desk tops are just about thermal limits, and having something that won't throttle itself after 20 minutes of being under load.
 
likefunbutnot [OhFark]
2023-02-05 9:59:35 AM  

Nimbull: I remember when my PCI slots held more then one card for four. Back in the day it was video card, sound card, network card, modem card, etc. Now it's VIDEO CARD and that's about it after that beast eats up the back panel. Thank the COBOL Lords most everything else got deprecated or integrated. Imagine having to choose between graphics, sound, or online gaming?


Get a Threadripper. I have two architecturally different video cards, an Infiniband HBA and four U.2 drives plugged in to my slots.

The main thing I want to say is that more cases are going to need to start offering vertical mounting options or ribbon cables to move those gaming cards to someplace where they can be cooled separately. 4 slots worth of space is absolutely silly.
 
Dr. Nick Riviera
2023-02-05 10:06:33 AM  
I have a 3070.  I think the most intensive thing I've used it for is a FF Pixel Perfect Remaster.  I need more time to game.
 
Cythraul
2023-02-05 10:13:28 AM  
I need to upgrade my machine by the end of the year, and I need to know at least a little of what y'all know to make a wise decision.

But after reading all the techno-lingo in this thread that's making my little brain hurt, I can see why so many choose consoles.  Hah!
 
envirovore [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-02-05 10:39:23 AM  

LurkerSupreme: I hope for the sake of your PCI slot it also comes with a brace. That thing looks like it'd have more sag than your grandpappy's nutsack.


Jump to 17:18 in video if it didn't time stamp properly...

HW News - Fraudulent Used Video Cards, 7950X3D Pricing, New NVIDIA 'Titan' Rumors
Youtube dkWnvcLcSZQ
 
likefunbutnot [OhFark]
2023-02-05 10:48:50 AM  

Cythraul: I need to upgrade my machine by the end of the year, and I need to know at least a little of what y'all know to make a wise decision.

But after reading all the techno-lingo in this thread that's making my little brain hurt, I can see why so many choose consoles.  Hah!


Intel and AMD are following slightly different paths. Intel is doing low and high power cores for different needs, which means that its fast cores can have a higher thermal budget and have higher highs when called for. This is good for gaming and tasks that stress relatively few cores, but Intel mainstream CPUs are also eating power like workstation hardware right now. I9 chips draw power like a Threadripper at this point.

AMD ships CPUs with more cores than Intel and they're all equally capable. They also work at far more modest power requirements, but for the moment AMD can't claim the fastest CPUs for gaming, even if Ryzen excels at almost everything else. New AMD does require DDR5, so there's a higher up front cost.

GPU wise, buy as much as you can afford. AMD is competitive up to the end of mid range hardware, but you probably aren't looking at $1200+ cards anyway. Intel has a surprisingly good value offering with the A770, but its main advantages are more geared for productivity then gaming.


There you go. Generic advice.
 
Quantumbunny
2023-02-05 11:11:05 AM  

likefunbutnot: Nimbull: I remember when my PCI slots held more then one card for four. Back in the day it was video card, sound card, network card, modem card, etc. Now it's VIDEO CARD and that's about it after that beast eats up the back panel. Thank the COBOL Lords most everything else got deprecated or integrated. Imagine having to choose between graphics, sound, or online gaming?

Get a Threadripper. I have two architecturally different video cards, an Infiniband HBA and four U.2 drives plugged in to my slots.

The main thing I want to say is that more cases are going to need to start offering vertical mounting options or ribbon cables to move those gaming cards to someplace where they can be cooled separately. 4 slots worth of space is absolutely silly.


There's an awful lot about GPUs that is absurd these days. Taking multiple PCI-E slots, their size, their power draw, their pricetag...

A lot of this stems from trying to design them to be too multipurposed, or maybe I should say, wrong purposed. Machine Learning, Crypto, Visual processing (facial rec, image rec, self driving), the list goes on. CPUs bottle necking caused GPUs to be used all over the place.

We'd probably be better off creating purpose built processors (which you'll notice crypto did) or at least wildly differently optimized processors. GPUs are the latest hammer for every nail, screw, bolt, and fastener that comes up.
 
likefunbutnot [OhFark]
2023-02-05 11:23:00 AM  

Quantumbunny: A lot of this stems from trying to design them to be too multipurposed, or maybe I should say, wrong purposed. Machine Learning, Crypto, Visual processing (facial rec, image rec, self driving), the list goes on. CPUs bottle necking caused GPUs to be used all over the place.


All those things benefit from a GPU's architecture moreso than having a CPU do them, and in truth, specialized GPU computing devices do exist, they're just difficult for end users to purchase and very expensive. You can't exactly walk in to Best Buy and grab an nVidia DGX system off the shelf.

In my case, I have a second GPU just because neither AMD nor nVidia offer hardware video codecs for the native video formats my cameras make. I can't imagine why not; every contemporary MILC outputs HEVC 422 and has for years, but it's a line on the spec sheet neither of the big two bother to handle, even in their latest generation of hardware. I very much have a coprocessor for a specialized task, and that task is "Make Resolve Studio go faster."
 
Chemlight Battery
2023-02-05 11:42:00 AM  

likefunbutnot: Cythraul: I need to upgrade my machine by the end of the year, and I need to know at least a little of what y'all know to make a wise decision.

But after reading all the techno-lingo in this thread that's making my little brain hurt, I can see why so many choose consoles.  Hah!

Intel and AMD are following slightly different paths. Intel is doing low and high power cores for different needs, which means that its fast cores can have a higher thermal budget and have higher highs when called for. This is good for gaming and tasks that stress relatively few cores, but Intel mainstream CPUs are also eating power like workstation hardware right now. I9 chips draw power like a Threadripper at this point.

AMD ships CPUs with more cores than Intel and they're all equally capable. They also work at far more modest power requirements, but for the moment AMD can't claim the fastest CPUs for gaming, even if Ryzen excels at almost everything else. New AMD does require DDR5, so there's a higher up front cost.

GPU wise, buy as much as you can afford. AMD is competitive up to the end of mid range hardware, but you probably aren't looking at $1200+ cards anyway. Intel has a surprisingly good value offering with the A770, but its main advantages are more geared for productivity then gaming.


There you go. Generic advice.


One other thing to consider:

AMD is red.

NVIDIA is green.

Intel is blue.

If you want to maximize the RGB in your machine, like all real gamers do, you must get all three.
 
Concrete Donkey
2023-02-05 11:48:26 AM  

Quantumbunny: likefunbutnot: Nimbull: I remember when my PCI slots held more then one card for four. Back in the day it was video card, sound card, network card, modem card, etc. Now it's VIDEO CARD and that's about it after that beast eats up the back panel. Thank the COBOL Lords most everything else got deprecated or integrated. Imagine having to choose between graphics, sound, or online gaming?

Get a Threadripper. I have two architecturally different video cards, an Infiniband HBA and four U.2 drives plugged in to my slots.

The main thing I want to say is that more cases are going to need to start offering vertical mounting options or ribbon cables to move those gaming cards to someplace where they can be cooled separately. 4 slots worth of space is absolutely silly.

There's an awful lot about GPUs that is absurd these days. Taking multiple PCI-E slots, their size, their power draw, their pricetag...

A lot of this stems from trying to design them to be too multipurposed, or maybe I should say, wrong purposed. Machine Learning, Crypto, Visual processing (facial rec, image rec, self driving), the list goes on. CPUs bottle necking caused GPUs to be used all over the place.

We'd probably be better off creating purpose built processors (which you'll notice crypto did) or at least wildly differently optimized processors. GPUs are the latest hammer for every nail, screw, bolt, and fastener that comes up.


Psssst

Graphics from 7 years ago look perfectly fine
 
Don't Lag Me Bro
2023-02-05 12:15:07 PM  

Entropy_Bot: Wait, no I take that back. They've only added RAM. Still, 800 watts my ass. Haven't people been hitting the performance ceiling with 800w on the current gen?


At that point the cost of the card is meh compared to the independent Air Conditioner unit you will need in the room.
 
KarmicDisaster [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-02-05 12:54:35 PM  
Nethack is gonna fly on that
 
Mad_Radhu
2023-02-05 3:49:43 PM  

LurkerSupreme: I hope for the sake of your PCI slot it also comes with a brace. That thing looks like it'd have more sag than your grandpappy's nutsack.


I thought the screws on the backplate of the card bore most of the weight of the card. Shouldn't the card be designed to transfer the bulk of that mechanical load to the back of the case?

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Gordon Bennett [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-02-05 4:21:33 PM  
I'm ready for it.

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likefunbutnot [OhFark]
2023-02-05 4:28:18 PM  

Mad_Radhu: LurkerSupreme: I hope for the sake of your PCI slot it also comes with a brace. That thing looks like it'd have more sag than your grandpappy's nutsack.

I thought the screws on the backplate of the card bore most of the weight of the card. Shouldn't the card be designed to transfer the bulk of that mechanical load to the back of the case?

[Fark user image image 425x239]


The PCIe slot itself gets stressed by the weight of the card and it is possible to tear one out of the board. When you have 3kg monster cards, you're going to get some of that.

It's a legit concern.
 
UberNeuman
2023-02-05 4:47:05 PM  

likefunbutnot: Mad_Radhu: LurkerSupreme: I hope for the sake of your PCI slot it also comes with a brace. That thing looks like it'd have more sag than your grandpappy's nutsack.

I thought the screws on the backplate of the card bore most of the weight of the card. Shouldn't the card be designed to transfer the bulk of that mechanical load to the back of the case?

[Fark user image image 425x239]

The PCIe slot itself gets stressed by the weight of the card and it is possible to tear one out of the board. When you have 3kg monster cards, you're going to get some of that.

It's a legit concern.


The MSI 3080 I got on sale came with the support bracket that screws into the case to add extra support.

Also glad I got the card before prices shot back up again.   Good god, it's back to double the price it was like it was during the bitcoin mining rush.
 
Night Train to Wakanda
2023-02-05 5:33:51 PM  

Mad_Radhu: LurkerSupreme: I hope for the sake of your PCI slot it also comes with a brace. That thing looks like it'd have more sag than your grandpappy's nutsack.

I thought the screws on the backplate of the card bore most of the weight of the card. Shouldn't the card be designed to transfer the bulk of that mechanical load to the back of the case?

[Fark user image image 425x239]


They had to start adding metal bracing around PCI slots on "gamer" mother boards, because they got so ridiculously heavy and they still sag bad enough to need a support on the back end.
 
Tyrone Slothrop [TotalFark]
2023-02-05 7:04:36 PM  
Yowza! Yowza! Yowza!
They Shoot Horses, Don't They? Official Trailer #1 - Bruce Dern Movie (1969) HD
Youtube ke-sWMXspNA
 
envirovore [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-02-05 7:37:50 PM  

UberNeuman: likefunbutnot: Mad_Radhu: LurkerSupreme: I hope for the sake of your PCI slot it also comes with a brace. That thing looks like it'd have more sag than your grandpappy's nutsack.

I thought the screws on the backplate of the card bore most of the weight of the card. Shouldn't the card be designed to transfer the bulk of that mechanical load to the back of the case?

[Fark user image image 425x239]

The PCIe slot itself gets stressed by the weight of the card and it is possible to tear one out of the board. When you have 3kg monster cards, you're going to get some of that.

It's a legit concern.

The MSI 3080 I got on sale came with the support bracket that screws into the case to add extra support.



I opted for one of these when I got my 3080
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replacementcool
2023-02-05 7:57:27 PM  

Mad_Radhu: LurkerSupreme: I hope for the sake of your PCI slot it also comes with a brace. That thing looks like it'd have more sag than your grandpappy's nutsack.

I thought the screws on the backplate of the card bore most of the weight of the card. Shouldn't the card be designed to transfer the bulk of that mechanical load to the back of the case?

[Fark user image 425x239]


my case is a gigantic monstrosity with the IO's on top, so that the GPU's are essentially hanging from the top of the case and, i would assume making sure the motherboard isn't carrying any of the weight of the multiple gpus.
 
Wine Sipping Elitist [TotalFark]
2023-02-05 11:38:51 PM  

Entropy_Bot: Wait, no I take that back. They've only added RAM. Still, 800 watts my ass. Haven't people been hitting the performance ceiling with 800w on the current gen?


At 800w, that thing is like adding a microwave oven to the conventional oven that is your PC.
 
Entropy_Bot
2023-02-06 12:04:42 AM  

Don't Lag Me Bro: At that point the cost of the card is meh compared to the independent Air Conditioner unit you will need in the room.


Wine Sipping Elitist: At 800w, that thing is like adding a microwave oven to the conventional oven that is your PC.


Ah! OK, I get it now. Couldn't parse their infographic. At least 800w on top of everything else in your PC. Jeebus Nvidia, get it together.
 
Ed Grubermann [TotalFark]
2023-02-06 2:51:19 AM  
Meh. Call me when the Lovelace Quadras start shipping.
 
PTP_Professor
2023-02-06 11:59:10 AM  
Damn.

/still running a 1050
 
phimuskapsi [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2023-02-06 12:17:15 PM  

Entropy_Bot: Ah! OK, I get it now. Couldn't parse their infographic. At least 800w on top of everything else in your PC. Jeebus Nvidia, get it together.


What do you expect? More transistors = more power draw.

Also, folks, these aren't gaming cards. These are $2000 workstation GPU's that are for 3D rendering and modeling.
 
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